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dorothy slater's avatar

A gentleman I had just met, opened up our conversation with what I knew was going to be an anti Trump rant. I explained to him that I was put off by the fact that without knowing me for even 5 minutes he assumed that I was as anti-trump as he, and we could go on from there. When I told him that I didn't share his feelings, he said to me well, then what are we going to talk about?. I answered, no comment.

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Apollo's Lyre's avatar

This is terrifying, but totally relatable. It perfectly epitomizes how people's brains have been melted by years of Two Minutes Hate on endless loop: they really do not have any idea what else to talk about!

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Bill Jarett's avatar

Shorter attention spans are a feature not a bug of the modern media.

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Don's avatar

Bill that is an OUTSTANDING observation - and terrifying

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Susan e's avatar

Any news station any time if day, Somehow someway they always bring Trump into the conversation. I really don’t know what they would do if he wasn’t around to talk about.

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Tom Larson's avatar

Zappa saw this coming! "I'm the Slime", about sums it up.

We used to call them "Boob Tubes" because the Cathode Ray Tubes were actually shaped like a boob! The contemporary usage would refer to the viewers actually being turned into "BOOBS"!

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James P's avatar

That may have been an alternative meaning but "boob" also means a stupid person. I'm pretty sure that was the intent of "boob tube" when the phrase was commonly used - including by my Baptist mother! - in the 50s and 60s

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Tom Larson's avatar

I'm actually a former TV tech. At the dawn of the CRT, was the boob shape. And it took on a new and more publicly palatable meaning almost instantly.

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F Onderwaal's avatar

I guess one has to be of a certain age to remember that Jeremy Boob was the Nowhere Man in the Beatles movie Yellow Submarine...

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Janet's avatar

Blast from the past! Boob tubes. Lol.

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

The original meaning of "boob tube" was sex is best sold visually.

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Lysander Spoonbread's avatar

cold showers for the lot of you...

- regards, The Church Lady

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

Good advice, my Lady. After cold showers, I am more civilized: I call them decolletages, and they look just as good...

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Janet's avatar

Some people use Trump as metaphor all day long for everything in their lives. I know someone like that.

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Beeswax's avatar

Only one? Lucky you.

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LaVerne Karras's avatar

But that applies to both sides of that argument in particular but many others as well, there is ideology on both sides and both sides KNOW they are right.

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

Thus, democracy.

The *usual* rub is avoiding the tyranny of the majority, but our individual rights protected by a *right-leaning* (i.e. strictly-Constitution-following) SCOTUS does a good job stopping this.

But today, one party has figured out how to win *without* a majority, by capturing private sector actors (media, universities, finance, c-suites) to censor and fool the ignorant peeps grown fat, happy, and complacent with the success of Capitalism (another word for the Classical Liberalism of the West in general, and especially of the founding documents, appropriately amended to include *all* citizens of course some 150 years ago).

Coupled with Democrat Party capture of what should certainly be non-partisan Federal security entities, as well as most adminstrative entities (think Strzok, but these apparatchiks are almost too many to list, and the most dangerous are certainly still anonymous) *and* a number of wealthy oligarchs, this equals...

A Fascist State.

The U.S. Federal State has been taken over by Fascist-minded Democrats. Goaded beautifully by the neo-twin-slaying (and un-capturable) DJT, they have had to reveal themselves and double down, effectively conducting a declaration of war on the People and their precious freedoms.

*Only* massive voting for an un-diluted opposition party (that's the Republicans, folks) will avoid an eventual 1984 outcome, and the death of all that we libertarians hold dear.

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LaVerne Karras's avatar

Trump is uncapturable? I don't think so, his foreign policies were not significantly different than any other, while he didn't start any _major_ wars, he din't stop the covert crap that the US does and he made a bigger mess in the Middle East by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, the war in Yemen continued, he almost started a war with Iran, and instead of a war with Russia, he wanted a war with China, the difference is just _who_ he was captured by, as I pointed out, when Ideology takes over, objectivity is lost. Besides, have you ever seen a millionaire/billionaire that couldn't be bought, they _never_ have enough money!

As for voting for the altruistic Republicans, _most_ of them are voting _with_ Biden on his war in Ukraine and the genocide in Gaza, as far as the establishment Republicans go, they are no different than the Democrats, they are just generally more forthright in their attacks on the average person, they don't beat around the bush about being enablers of the wealth transfer to the 1% by reducing their taxes even more.

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Spiderbaby's avatar

"If the Democrats cared about getting your vote they’d be trying hard to earn it. They’re not trying because they don’t care.

"The unelected empire managers who actually run the US power structure also don’t care who wins the election. They know they’ll still get their murder and militarism and capitalism and imperialism no matter who gets sworn in next year, whether it’s Biden or Trump or Harris or someone else. Nobody with any real power cares about your vote.

"And that’s the real issue. That’s the real point that keeps getting missed here. The problem is not that the wrong people keep getting elected, it’s that the elections don’t matter and voters don’t have a say. It’s that humanity is dominated by a murderous globe-spanning power structure loosely centralized around Washington whose actual movements and behavior have effectively zero responsiveness to the will of the electorate.

"You’re never going to be able to vote your way out of this mess, and you’re never going to be able to not-vote your way out of this mess, because the power of your vote has been undermined to a value of zero. That doesn’t mean there’s no way out of this mess, it just means there’s no way to get out of this mess using the fake plastic diversion toy they handed you to shut you up and trick you into thinking you have a say." - Caitlin Johnstone

https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/nobody-with-real-power-cares-if-you

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France's avatar

She's a brilliant, down to earth truth teller.

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trembo slice's avatar

She doesn’t understand capitalism - she believes corporatism is capitalism as far as I can tell. But she’s anti-imperialism so I like that about her.

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

You are mis-using the term Capitalism. What you refer to is its opposite, crony-capitalism.

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Thomas Heath's avatar

Nope. Crisis-Capitalism is its own thing. Remember all the micro breweries that shifted to selling hand sanitizer? lol

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

I only object to your use of the term Capitalism.

What is happening today is in *no* way a form of it.

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Thomas Heath's avatar

Feel free to object. I don't care. lol

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

I care, and I think you should too, Thomas.

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

I could not disagree more.

Imso, DJT has shown that he is *not* a Statist, nor an oligarch, nor ever will be.

And today the two parties are night and day. Democrats are destroying the wealth-creating private sector, and aggrandizing the public. They are acting like Fascists in all but name, including their woke base.

Woke is just the latest word for social Fascism (I am aware that is not its original meaning).

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LaVerne Karras's avatar

I can't argue with you about the Democrats acting like fascists, but you just don't understand economics, where do you think the money the 1% came from? America makes almost nothing, the GDP is created by taking the money from YOU and transferring it to the 1% by way of rent of money(interest) and services like insurance premiums real estate profits and rent, gross profits on medical products and services and corporate monopolies, all unearned income.

Republican or Democrat means nothing, it's just two different faces of the uniparty, both serve the 1% and their donors. Mark my words, if/when Trump is re-elected, unless you are in the 1%, nothing significant will change for you except you will be more poor.

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

I disagree.

The problem today is *political*, not economic. It's not the *wealthy* (private capital) that built this. It's the Statists and the People. The People have allowed public power to grow so large that all markets are distorted beyond function. Yes, the system is gamed by all, but the system is created and run by anti-Capitalist Democrats, not Republicans, at least in very large measure (I am trying to avoid hyperbole here).

If we allow Democrats to stay in power, it will only get worse.

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LaVerne Karras's avatar

Like I said, you don't understand the system, and while it was implemented by the politicians, it was designed by the 1%, the wealthy skim the profits that YOU generate. Look up the definition of a rentier capitalism system is, here's a quick sample: RENTIER CAPITALISM - A system where large corporations gain significant amounts of profit as a consequence of the ownership and control of assets(Finance, Insurance and Real estate), rather than from innovative, entrepreneurial use of economic resources.

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

I am well versed in economics, as well as the the corrupt crony system.

Like I said, it's *how* this anti-Capitalist, anti-free-individual system came to be that is important in its dismantlement.

It's either the ballot box (voting out the Fascist Dems with Reps, who are now responding to their voters, imo, yours may differ) or eventual blood in the streets.

By equating both parties, you leave us under continued Democrat misgovernance and unfairness (and all the things you accurately complain about in economics), which can only lead to the latter future.

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LaVerne Karras's avatar

There is no real difference between the two faces of the uniparty, each say what those that are ideologically wed to their 'party' want to hear and yet the study by Princeton shows that you don't matter, the only way bills get passed is if they benefit the wealthy, the ones that got there on your back. Think back, what was the _real_ difference between an Rep or a Dem administration to you personally, yes, both of them stoked fear of what the other party would do, but neither made any real _positive_ changes to your life, it's all about getting _your_ sheeple to vote for you, and once you are elected, you have four years at the trough before you have to start lying to them again. You know the story, well, we were going to do what we told you we would do, but those evil ______ wouldn't let us and voted down our bills.

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DC Lovell's avatar

Have you heard the term RINO's? Perhaps UNIPARTY?

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

So you are voting Democrat?

Or, are you increasing the chances that these police-state Democrats we have today keep winning by *not* voting for the only one with a chance to stop them.

You have to choose which is worse, and then support an unified opposition, DC. Otherwise, it's 1984 in a few years.

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DC Lovell's avatar

You claimed the 2 party's are like night and day. They aren't. House leadership is going to fund Ukraine. You are conflating DJT with republicans. He isn't one of them , and hence they oppose him. It's been 1984 for decades.

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

Well, we disagree.

The larger point is that the police State is *not* Republican driven.

Democrats own it. The only way to defeat it is for an awakened People to use a unified opposition party to depose the Statist Democrats. That's the Republican party, DC, no way around it.

Yes, there is residual neo-con warmongering in all of our overgrown Federal leviathan. We must get behing DJT, who started the Republican lay voter revolt in 2016, and cut out the Republican neo-cons for good. (DJT is running as a *Republican*, so yes he *is* the Republican party.)

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DC Lovell's avatar

Name the republicans that are truly fighting against the deficit, government intrusion into all education, wars around the world we should not be involved in. You will find a few, and that is all you will find.

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PassingThru's avatar

Therein lies that problem. No principles or moral fortitude. The hate has shattered their soul, leaving a shell full of propaganda.

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BeadleBlog's avatar

Remember the pictures of the screaming apes mobbing black students as they walked into schools during desegregation? This epitomizes the type of brain prone to TDS.

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michael888's avatar

What's really sad is that science and medicine were so politicized during Covid, that what turned out to be better ideas and approaches were censored. Physicians and scientists who spoke out were vilified, some lost their jobs. Many of the over a million Covid deaths could have been prevented just by open dialogue.

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Steve Dietrich's avatar

A major part of the problem was that pretty much everyone knew it was extremely probable that it came from the Wuhan Lab where we knew they were performing Gain of Function research under conditions similar to that of a dentist lab. The back channel emails from Faucci's group show that A) they thought it probable that it came from bioweapon research and B) displayed characteristics of an engineered virus and C) they were not allowed to consider the lab as the source.

Goes back to the foundational truth - he who controls the assumptions controls the analysis

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Cranky Frankie's avatar

The journalistic community enabled that denial-of-Wuhan lie. And the Medill and Columbia journalists keep wondering why the news reporting business is dying...

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Steve Dietrich's avatar

Absolutely , but also it came from the top and it was protecting the left so the press did not want to look very deeply. What was surprising was how freely those writing the dismissals talked in their back channel coms that they knew they were "just following orders" not the facts. Although I disagree with a lot of his ideas RFK jr just nailed it in his writing on covid from its origins to the vaccine corruption to masks and closing schools .

The coverup of Hunter Biden's laptop and the vast array of crimes he conveniently documented on his computer were stuffed into the closet by the press to protect Joe Biden and the greater problem, the army of influence peddling lawyers, fixers and spinners and their partners in crime in various government departments and agencies.

This is a sample of the corruption. Louie Freeh, Hunter and gang are working to assist a client, JP Morgan, get $2.4 Billion out the back door of the Treasury with help from a an array of elected and appointed officials. Even better there would be no visibility of the event.

https://bidenlaptopemails.com/biden-emails/email.php?id=20100307-152935_23691

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

Excellent, and thank you.

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Steve Dietrich's avatar

the bidenlaptopemails.com is an incredible resource. Comes with a pretty good search capability.

What jumps out is the army of attorneys and lobbyists essentially monetizing their access to all levels of the government. When Freeh is working for Hunter and the mob on the Burisma deal (along with the Boies firm) Louie is accessing sources inside the FBI, DOJ, State Dept to deliver that which Burisma is buying ..... in their own words .... influence . Hunter and gang realize they are working as lobbyists and should be registered . It appears that part of the workaround was to launder funds through one of the law firms. In some cases Hunter appears to have having one of the law firms paying part of his gaggle of hookers as part of his cut of the deal.

The other great source is the Marco Polo report which is also filled with links to the source documents. The Bank suspicious activity reports are there with links https://bidenlaptopreport.marcopolousa.org/

Print copies are available , about the size of an old phone book for a mid size city. Sadly the mainstream press refuses to acquaint themselves with the materials.

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

Addendum to first response:

The corruption of the judicial system is more important now (from Julie Kelly's stack):

https://www.declassified.live/p/ties-between-judge-merchans-child?

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

Thanks, again, Steve.

You know, I (like most, maybe all, of us here) have long since been convinced of the reality of not only the Biden crime family (one of many such Dem outfits, and a few Reps too), but even more important the existence a growing anti-Capitalist, anti-individual-freedom, and therefore anti- Constitution "deep State."

It's almost as if I want to say, "More evidence? I don't need no *more* stinkin' evidence!"

But how do we reach the ones so in the Statist (by far mainly Democrat) tank? How do we put this overwhelming evidence into their closed off awareness? Persistance?

I think too many have been captured by the collectivist mindset that Capitalism (Classical Liberalism) is the root of the problem, and will not listen no matter the reality.

Iow, the *real* problem is not the hegemon's power or corruption, but that too many peeps' hearts are filled with anti-Capitalism, and I know you know I'm not talking about Fascist crony-capitalism.

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Steve Dietrich's avatar

I think we need to pick them off one at a time with a simple message that for them is impossible to ignore and starts the questioning process.

I have helped open a number of peoples eyes and minds by finding messages that they could not ignore. One example is that I have been able to convince several using materials from Hunter's laptop that relate directly to an issue that is relevant to them.

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

Oh, man, I love hearing that. Keep up the good work!

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Steve Dietrich's avatar

Joe, Hunter, the Democrats and much of the press continue to try to pretend that Hunter was not selling influence. However, when Burisma's President wrote to Hunter after their talk he made it absolutely clear that he wanted to buy "influence" .

When Hunter's team responded with a very expensive proposal detailing a lot of fluffy tasks and such Burisma wrote back saying that they understood what vague language and such and it was OK "so long as everyone understood the real purpose"

https://bidenlaptopemails.com/biden-emails/email.php?id=20140512-112124_86987

11-02-2015. Burisma responds to the proposal from Hunter and Partners

https://bidenlaptopemails.com/biden-emails/email.php?id=20151102-183551_69528

“the first thing is that the suggested scope of work is largely lacking concrete tangible results that we set out to achieve in the first place, mostly focusing on the process. Also, it doesn't offer any names of top US officials here in Ukraine (for instance, US Ambassador) or Ukrainian officials (the President of Ukraine, chief of staff, Prosecutor General) as key targets for improving Nikolay's case and his situation in Ukraine.

If, however, this is done deliberately to be on the safe and cautious side, I can understand the rationale. And if all parties in fact understand the true purpose of the BS engagement and all our joint efforts, it's ok and we should proceed immediately. “

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

Yep, but "foundational" only to the wayward Left today.

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Thomas Heath's avatar

Can't have crisis capitalism without a crisis, manufactured or otherwise. Ahem....global boiling catastrophe emergency. lol

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Bill Jarett's avatar

Everyone loves a good "IMF Riot".

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Bill Jarett's avatar

"Trust fund"... All these World Governance institutions were started after WW2 with our gold we "gifted" to them. Time to get it back with 80 years interest.

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Lynne Morris's avatar

I would be okay with that. But it is not going to happen. Now they are not content with our largesse. They have come to take it all - the land, the institutions, the economy . . .

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

You mean crony-capitalism, the opposite of classical Capitalism.

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michael888's avatar

Dream on! The Government and State Media are desperately trying to push the Orange Man Bad theme (true, but worse than the more dangerous Establishment?) and of course abortion access (which I favor, along with voluntary, non-mandated vaccinations).

It's a good thing that, like Obama, Biden once again broke his campaign promise: "I would send immediately to the desk of the United States Congress, when I'm elected president -- if I'm elected president, a codification of Roe v. Wade amended by Casey, because I think it is a woman's right to choose." transcripts.cnn.com/show/se/date/2020-03-15/segment/03 Of course Biden did nothing with control of the House and Senate (why waste the Democrats' best campaign promise? Even Trump, when a Democrat, supported Roe vs Wade), and Obama, when called out on the same campaign promise, said it wasn't high priority. Except as a continual campaign promise.

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

But could it possibly be that even you, who see the truth about the Dem police state gambit, have bought Dem lies about "Orange Man Bad"?

OMB is TDS.

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Janet's avatar

My only grandchild was steered into this hell. The monsters do quite a job on the parents.

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MH's avatar

It's sooo true. Living in an Uber liberal city, as I do, people assume ALL the time that you're automatically going to agree w their political views without question. Makes me nuts.

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Queen Lolligag's avatar

Their heads are little echo chambers

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

If you lived in coastal California, you get used to it.

Sometimes I can avoid it by wearing my Trump hat...

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dorothy slater's avatar

That comment I wrote is only one of many I have every week. The sad thing is, that most of my dear educated loving long time friends and I can't find anything to talk about anymore because all they want to talk about is how much they hate trump. I now drop out of many conversations and just have another cup of coffee as they go at it. I even had a Canadian Living down in expat Mexico where I live whose jaw literally dropped when I told her that I rather liked Trump. The hatred has even spread to canada. She rarely spoke to me after that encounter. But Life Goes On. And thank god, I found this site.

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

Thank you, dorothy. It makes me happy you have found your community. If you have time, check out the stack Screaming into the Void by SimulationCommander. There are many libertarian-minded newsletters.

When the peeps around me start assuming I'm woke too, I stay very friendly, but not silent either. Someone's got to wake them up!

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william teetzel's avatar

I do the same here in deep red sw colorado. Except I dress up in rainbow leotards. I try to get used to it, but it’s a challenge.

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

Ha!

I don't think we *should* get used to it, william. That strikes me as giving in.

But...I don't usually wear my hat here in Marin County for two reasons.

1) I want these local wokesters to think they don't need to vote, and

2) I always feel like I have to be some kind of ambassador, instead of my usual curmudgeonly self!

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Amusings's avatar

Wow! Marin!! Hats off to you...no pun intended.

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

It's not so bad, really. I think part of it is human nature. Once about 60% of the population goes one way politically, both sides tend to give that substantial majority much more weight in describing the people of a region/state.

But one out of three Bay area resident voted Republican.

And when I *do* wear my Trump hat (black, with big white lettering, easily seen within 50 feet!), while most look askance, I do get quiet signs of support.

I think this time around especially, final numbers count, so it is important for all blue-state people-of-the-right to vote, even if in losing effort.

I hope that is a Trump hat you're tipping, but a sincere thanks in any case!

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Bill Jarett's avatar

Richard Simmons, is that you? Lol.

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Lysander Spoonbread's avatar

I've always wondered about wearing a MAGA hat in a Whole Foods

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Timothy Andrew Staples/pop122's avatar

The feeling is one of not just total isolation, but of all eyes on you like you are a joke or not even human. No one talks to you (except the occasional and quiet thumbs-up). I doubt most could take it. We are social animals, and TDS is *so* dis-heartening.

But...Woke Foods has my parmesano reggiano, and I can take it. ;-)

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Janet's avatar

Ha. When I quit talking about liberal politics or any politics with my rabid liberal sister back in my “weaning off democrats during the Obama days”, she said I was now “boring”.

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Amusings's avatar

The assumption you thought like him is a phenomena I still don't get, especially given the 50/50 split in the population. Basic statistics would tell you that a 1 in 2 chance is you're talking to the 'other' side. There are so many things to talk about besides politics.

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Jonny's avatar

Perhaps that was a missed opportunity, it sounded like an invitation to conversation. We need more speech, not less. Friendly dissent, perhaps? It's become a vanished artform.

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