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It weirds me out to watch how easy it has been for the American Left to rationalize their hypocrisy. While protesting racism was a justified cause, how many autonomous zones, nightly riots in Portland and other fringe events that had nothing to do with the BLM protests ignored by the media and the government. Imagine if anyone had suggested freezing the millions they raised, or doxxing people who donated to the cause. That would be an unimaginable dystopia. All it took was a few images and a smear campaign to give people the justification they needed to be okay with an authoritarian crackdown on people they deem "white supremacists." I think it makes the truckers more sympathetic and Trudeau look like a frightened member of the aristocracy, protecting the rich who seem to have little concern for those who bring them their stuff while they sit at home rage tweeting.

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I just watched this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRcNq4OYTyE

about how the Nazis gradually maneuvered the populace to commit genocide and it was a slow process. The same demonization, the same fracturing of the public's collective psyche, the passports, the papers, (bitte!) the societal condemnation and the persecution which eventually led to violence, arrests, and after WWII's expansion -to death camps.

Nobody ever expect they'll be dragged out of the house and detained illegally and have their money seized and then be killed... but it has happened before.

Saying that people are "saying and thinking the wrong things" and therefor are less than human or undesirable to society is just so fucked up on so many levels and I really think people have turned fear into a virtue. An age of cowardly dictators... Looks so familiar, I can't seem to place where I've seen this type of mass psychosis before. Hm..

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Gail's avatar

Goebbels explained it quite well. As did Mao , Castro and Stalin, whom he greatly admired

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Robert Hunter's avatar

Don't forget who Goebbels learned his methods from, the amerikan "Edward Bernays!" We are so much more advanced than that now; social media and the spooks know you better than you know yourself.

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Gail please find it in your heart to foregive my 5 AM screed and my rage. I am really a 74 year old rocking back and forth head banging yelling screaming autistic child trying to communicate my frustration in a world of false perceptions where you "normals" are conditioned to thrive on digestible Bullshit from the moment you become sentient. I don't speak bullshit I never could learn the language. What I wrote this morning was my attempt to see if anyone out there could understand my frustration rage and hysterical laughter. Before my wife's edit it was even more vile. I find it very difficult to write. I was very lucky to live in many cultures many of them where I might have been a shaman or a prophet because I only started learning to write in my mid fifties.

It is not easy being me and writing with Twain's pen warmed up in Hell is maybe a bridge to far. I take pride in being the only recognized citizen of the MoeZone but thanks to our Department of Autistic affairs I am a full citizen of one of the few real 21st century democracies on your planet.

My wife is the world's most beautiful and wise 84 year old. and has a triple A education and the sophistication of a puppy needing a little TLC.

My wife and I are the wealthiest people on the planet because we have each other.

My wife has spent most of her 84 years submerged in our Jewish culture and doesn't speak a word of bullshit and the language we speak is from another planet. My wife went from the university of Chicago to an inner city High School with an MSc in Science Education, her father had an MSc from Michigan in Conservation Science and when I introduced her to her father I had to do a lot of translation so they could start communicating their love for each other. We autistics have some value other than trying to destroy walls with our skulls.

It is hard to explain Quebec to Americans. In Quebec I am not a moron, I am not a burden on society, I am society. How unAmerican , how unJewish is that?

My wife is an Academic superstar. She writes for academics , she understands academics and she is of the academy. I speak real science, I think real science and I cannot do sophistry. she is unaware that sophistry is real and malignant.

I am a Jew of Ukrainian descent living in a 21st century Ukrainian success story.

I see the truckers as American speaking Canadians whose ties are to Washington not Ottawa or Quebec City. Their culture language and mores are American. My go to philosopher John Ralston Saul says Canadians and Americans are the two most culturally and ethically separated peoples on the planet. Saul should know, he is married to our Oprah who was our Oprah before Oprah was Oprah. The Hong Kong Born former Governor General is Canada's most Canadian Canadian, to be a real Canadian nationalist is disqualifying one from being a cultural warrior because Canada is a culture of cultures.. We have but one kind of Canadian and he/she/it looks like all of us. The world sees us as a bastion of freedom and democracy and America sees us as its worst nightmare

I fear a US invasion more than Ukrainians fear a Russian invasion. Ukrainian's leader is a brilliant comedian and stoic Russian speaking philosopher and we have a "conservative economist Premier and a Marcus Aurelius "try to be" Prime Minister who speaks the language of his heart. His voters are (what my wife tells me I can't use riff raff as a description so I will use) salt of the Earth. From America's perspective our right of center conservative economist Premier is a godless communist. Our version of the ACLU is suing we the people for enacting Bill 21 which bans religious beliefs in our public spaces. Eighty per cent of us understand Voltaire's admonition that Congressman Raskin never explains Those that can be led to believe absurdities can be led to commit atrocities. I love and understand Jamie Raskin, my grandchildren grew up in the People's Republic of Takoma Park and soft tyranny is so much more destructive than an iron fist.

I know about antisemitism, my wife and I still listen and laugh as Tom Lehrer sings about National Brotherhood week. We know everyone hates the Jews is talking about my wife and I and the perception of who Jews are. We talk the talk and walk the walk but we are rich because we have everything we need. We live in a loving understanding working class neighbourhood where we are who we are and not a media stereotype.

Please tell me if this all makes sense I promised a dead Doctor of Philosophy and a metaphysical scholar I would try to write my story and so far I've spent two and half years trying to communicate.

My wife of many years has learned to control my screaming but it is still my freedom to stop screaming but Ukraine the truckers and the collapse of a country I once loved combined with the isolation of Covid and here I am banging my head and screaming like a banshee.

Before Covid we could go out regularly and put smiles on everyone's face and until the IDES of March we must put coverings over our smiles. This is Quebec we are far from pedants face coverings are face coverings they they are not masks. They can be be N95, Kn95 , holey socks or warm woolen scarves they identify us as citizens confirming the social contract of 21st century democracies. The truckers are Canada's Russian speaking separatists and we already had our revolution and we love Canada more than many "Canadians" outside and inside of our border . The separatists are not more than our 15% they are not all our citizens they are just citizens but they are the American speakers and they speak English French and all the other languages known in the universe.

Some even yell and scream and bang their heads against the wall.

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Gail's avatar

Moe,

I never took issue with it. Perhaps I’m as out of sync as you self described, but it seemed to be a statement of anger, frustration and irony. I harbor the same emotions and am destroying my family with the rage and overwhelming sensation of being in an alternate universe. I can see and hear everything, but can’t be heard. It’s like a hostage situation. Being locked in a basement and screaming “ Your daughter’s boyfriend is going to blow up the school” and hearing the parents tell the kids to hurry up, they were going to be late for school.

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Moe Strausberg's avatar

My world is a strange place but I don't know how long he has been dead but I noticed Sammy Davis Jr spoke with a marked Jewish inflection and does anyone else have all these Eureka moments of understanding? The English philosopher Eugenia Cheng calls it making connections. I am an interconnection savant. Some people call interconnections logic. Otherwise I am a total imbecile and a psychotic moron.

Excuse I need to tell myself a joke that nothing else in the universe will understand.

My keyboard has no accents.🤣

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The only person I was lucky enough to ever meet from my High School I met in a distant galaxy. He told me everyone thought I was a deaf mute. I can't go back to being a deaf mute. My classmates did think I was a deaf mute the only people who knew me my family and friends were told I was a lazy genius. They were told that is what you will become if you don't apply your talents and work like an ox. We will cut off your balls and make you an ultimate loser. There are many people my age who still wear a smile on their face and we are still called morons and dismissed as losers. Everybody should be so lucky.

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Yeah guilty as charged. Nobody chooses mental illness but why do you choose to remain so ignorant? What makes you so obsessed with the words of a psychotic lunatic moronic troll?

Is truth really that painful?

Do you really enjoy living in your mental sewage treatment mind?

I have 1600 dollar water filtration system and the chemists and engineers tell me our water is safe. They all are experts and attended our great institutions of higher learning. Screw your perceptions and have the courage to open your eyes.

I know the academy and there are very few liars but a hell of a lot of those who will not see.

I love Jordan but he may believe he is a scientist but he is a priest in a lab coat and believes a lab coat makes him a scientist. Science provides only theory and religion provides subjective truth. If I start flying an America rag will that make me an ex-troll and turn me into a exemplary human being..

Try looking in the mirror.

'Mirrorphobia will destroy both you and the country you claim to love.

It may be too late for our species but at least will can die free people.

As someone once said the truth shall set you free.

Freedom doesn't make us happy it just makes us free to tell our truth.

I love Americans and those that know me always loved me back. I don't know how to lie because I don't know how to say I'm sorry. That is the problem of having too much empathy.

I am a scientist not a priest I only have theory not fact but I work to summon up enough courage to state Donald Trump is not a fiend but a victim of toxic fetal alcohol and has no empathy.

The only people I have to blame are his voters who elected him because he has no empathy. What are people like yourself thinking when your Messiahs have no empathy?

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Moe Strausberg's avatar

These are the days of wine and roses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmHkaCAt9vM

should I speak to you in song as you find my words cacophonous.

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This is as far as I'm willing to search to reply. What am I supposed to surmise when you put buffoonery instead of the normal buffoon? Am I a buffoon performing buffoonery or am I a minstrel show?

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Thanks friend . You win . What do I owe you? The teacher always learns more than his students. Cynicism is the root of all evil and truth is our only salvation. I can only speak my truths and my truths are only my truths. Other people's truths are other people's truths and I started reading Layton again 50 years later and he wasn't a self indulgent asshole and curmudgeon he was a saint. I even read For My Brother Jesus through my Improved Binoculars. It must be agonizing living where there is no such thing as truth and all that you can do is make noise.

Layton died in 2006 after years enjoying Alzheimer's.

He said "Let's stop talking about the holocaust we don't want to give them any ideas." Damn those fucking prophets

I watched him on CBC archives rub the self anointed intellectual elites noses in it and the more he rubbed the more they loved it.

"Truth is beauty- beauty truth that is all ____________________or need know" Ode on a Grecian Urn Keats

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/44477/ode-on-a-grecian-urn

Poetry is meant to be heard not read mostly it is sung Robbie Burns wrote great songs other than old lange syne. I like parcel of rogues in a nation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcm3MmD7uyc

I always have tissue at the ready you may not want to listen truth can be painful.

I know Justin Trudeau he is as brave as they come and all my heroes got it wrong. What the fuck is going on? They don't build bunkers deep enough to protect one from all the lunatics.

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Moe Strausberg's avatar

Thank you. Your talent never ceases to amaze me. I can feel the love but I don't think other than you and I can understand and the threads are way way way too long for a gnat on meth.

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Moe Strausberg's avatar

You are damn right I am. You translated your language for me and I am proud to carry your labels.

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Moe Strausberg's avatar

Goebbels was a very good listener. What a tragedy it was that he had so little empathy and thirsted for affirmation.

Layton was a lover and understood that without truth love has no meaning.

Layton turned truth into poetry. He loved satire.

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Gail's avatar

Yup. Mass Formation. Time after time. The most precise and oddly prescient literal prophet of what was coming down the pike was Aldous Huxley. He authored Brave New World in 1931, but years later, he went farther, admitting he never realized that he would be correct. His 1958 interview with Mike Wallace was so prophetic the Bible pales in comparison

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I love Huxley he spoke my language I still remember being thrown out of class because Huxley spoke my language and my classmates and teacher spoke the language of sophisticated human beings. I only speak the language of my heart and Huxley allowed me my freedom to try and speak truth to power. Incidentally 1984 is the product of the year I was first sentient 1948. I tried writing Huxley's language but he was a real genius.

I only play one on television. I HAVE THE VOCABULARY I had the vocabulary when I was eight BUT LACK THE SKILL TO PUT WORDS TOGETHER. I SPEAK ONLY METAPHORICALLY.

Pierce is a trusted friend who keeps me grounded as to my reality.

As Plato said Everybody hates truth tellers. I am not Socrates, life is too interesting to pull down the curtains. As Thomas Frank might say Kansas is a million miles from Oz.

Isn't that what Ambrose Bierce told us?

Isn't Ambrose Bierce the guy who told us why real journalists must be cancelled by repeating Plato's "everyone hates truth tellers" ad absurdum. Committing atrocities is the human condition. Believing absurdities is the first second and third commandments.

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Moe Strausberg's avatar

Layton told me number four comes with a caveat of reciprocity.

Layton's best selling book of poetry was titled For My Brother Jesus. it is the prize of my reference library.

I honour my parents because they taught my sister and I what love is all about. Layton's mother loved only herself. Layton was cisgendered but loved Cohen and Cohen was cisgendered and loved the world and he loved Layton.

My parents are gone. Layton and Cohen are gone but I honour them all they taught me love , compassion and understanding. This head banging is getting too painful.

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I don’t judge. It isn’t for me to decide who or how another should love. What’s currently being promoted has nothing to do with love, tolerance or a vibrant, diverse society of live and let live. In that society,questions would be welcomed. Acceptance wouldn’t come with the caveat of first succumbing to humiliation and self loathing. Bearing responsibility for something you were never part of and find reprehensible. And rationalizing what you know damn well is indefensible.

That is the definition of submission to propaganda.

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Moe Strausberg's avatar

Now you are talking a language I've spoken for 70 years. Your talking about midgets and 10 man starting rosters and an inability to change what needs changing and changing the things that are perfectly OK. Your talking about men who can't follow a bouncing ball destroying a truth that is easily fact checked and obeying Country Joe West and ignoring empirical truth.

I know Country Joe left a hero. Ijust can't figure out why.

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Moe Strausberg's avatar

Layton taught me, that love is meaningless unless you love yourself. For myself Layton is better than Milton I needed Johnson to translate Milton. Johnson was a conservative and hated Milton.

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Gail's avatar

Locked in your own prison. I feel your frustration.

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Moe Strausberg's avatar

I know there are those that understand. I know how love thine enemy should be translated. Yes I am frustrated.

I know the evolution of American "democracy". I know America democracy began in 1688 after incredible bloodshed and the revolution was in fact a minor insurrection. I know 17% could read in 1776 and only 17% know how to read in 2022. I live in a place aspiring to democracy and at the top of the agenda is trying to teach 100% how to read.

To dream the impossible dream that is my glorious quest to follow that star.

I grew up in a tyranny and have come home to die in an aspiring democracy. I can't judge Justin he grew up in Mr Moe's neighbourhood on a street named after a delicious oil seed.

My brother in law watched Justin grow up and my brother in law as all brother in laws is an idiot but is growing wiser in his dotage.

Voltaire called believing the propaganda believing absurdities. I know how hurtful truth is and I don't like to inflict pain. Promoting religion in schools and other public spaces is a something we mandate to prevent. I know our ACLU is apoplectic. Imagine a society that outlaws propaganda and the distribution of absurdities. Imagine a society that understands race religion and genders are not identities, they are not binary they are fantasies as numerous as stars in the sky.

Let us compare philosophies. When I was born I was a Jewish male in 2022 I am a citizen no more no less My "wife" is a legal partner our partnership agreement was drawn up by a government lawyer we call a notary. I still am disgusted by people like the "rabbi" who officiated at my Bar Mitzvah . He was less a teacher than pierce and just as filled with hate and loathing of things he could not understand.

My brother in law is a recovering idiot but he speaks Cooperstown like a native speaker. My sister and I are very close and our parents taught us about love.We are now old enough to speak our truths without fear of inflicting pain.

I never could do sophistry I hate the very idea of a nation of laws. I can't believe anyone could promote such an abomination. We are a nation of truth and justice. Corporations are 100% non human and deserve the same human rights as toilet paper. That is what a Supreme Court composed of ethical philosophers tells me. Money is not speech it is the power of men who believe the eye of a needle is a gateway to paradise.

Judging is beyond my ken.

I have spent my life being judged and I am a retarded genius. I grew where where a retarded genius is an oxymoron. You can be a genius or be retarded but you can't be both. At least now they have a label for people like myself who are very subtle when they bang their heads against the wall very quietly and scream and yell when no one is looking or listening.

Sometimes I think the street was not named for delicious comestible, maybe the street was really named for its forty thieves who never appeared outside their doors and was an invitation to step into the sunlight.

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I would recommend Time Ghost History's "Between Two Wars" series. It is probably the best history program I have seen.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLfMmOriSyPbd5JhHpnj4Ng

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The Dandy Highwayman's avatar

Ha, just found the beginning of that series.

Gonna give it a watch.

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Rachel's avatar

I just finished reading Churchill's The Gathering Storm; the similarities are sad

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Good comment. However, "your comments are unacceptable, we find them abhorrent and you are no longer working for LucasFilm or Disney in any capacity", according to Intern in Charge of Social Media, Lucasfilm.

(Since you're saying exactly what Gina Carano tweeted that got her cancelled.)

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Lillia Gajewski's avatar

I bring this up and I get accused of adhering to "Godwin's law." But just because you're paranoid does not mean people aren't out to get you.

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Gail's avatar

It’s like the old axiom of believing there are conspiracies doesn’t necessarily mean there aren’t.😂 The problem is that too many people believe in conspiracies that don’t exist while laughing off those that do.

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The U.S. today is nothing like inter-war Germany was. Nothing at all.

Yes, there's a full court press of propaganda going on right now. But really, the news media suck at it. Goebbels would have rolled his eyes at how terrible someone like Chuck Todd is. What a pathetic bunch at the alphabet news shows, the MSNBCABCCBS's and the YouTube hacks like The Young Turks, et.al. Half of Matt's stories are about what bumbling idiots they are. They only succeed with Americans who have no education, no discernment, and who call everyone they disagree with Hitler. Or who are on the hamster wheel of the DC Beltway. Granted, this is a disturbingly large minority of Americans.

The most effective propaganda today that Matt should look at more closely is in pop culture, where it's unexpected. I think Matt usually treats it as just a laugh. But look at the movies and other entertainment and you can see how the establishment wants to train us. How they have taught us to laugh at the pain of others; how strength always comes from violence, never from kindness. The warning came a long time ago from people like Neil Postman in "Amusing Ourselves to Death." This is where REAL cultural criticism (not the postmodern academic bullshit kind) could be a real benefit.

The U.S. experience will be very different than Germany's. Our economy, for example, is pretty fucked, but it's nowhere near as fucked as Germany's was in the inter-war period. No one has to take a wheelbarrow full of dollar bills to the grocery store to buy a loaf of bread. We don't have paramilitaries supported by the major parties. Our authoritarian ruling class, which is already in place, by the way, is more "Brave New World" than "1984." Not a boot in the face, but a soma narcotic slipped in the drink. Teaching people to love their loss of freedom so much they don't realize it's gone.

Endless torchlit parades like Nazi Germany's or the Soviet Union's regimented ranks would be laughed at today. Remember when Trump tried to do a Soviet-style 4th of July with military hardware and it fell flat? It was pathetic. Modern propaganda has to be more subtle because today's media consumers are more sophisticated. It's in the comforting illusions of our pop culture that ideology is slipped into our brains. Ideology packaged in pretty containers by Disney or wrapped in an American flag at a sports event.

Americans are already giving up and just enjoying the bliss of lowered or no expectations. I see millions of Americans watching videos about how to make a house out of a shipping container. About how great a UBI would be. Is that the hope? To live in a container wet-wired into streaming video with prescriptions for anti-depressants and anti-anxiety meds to made us docile? Forget the past efforts, and quit naming past dictators as if they are still relevant. Propaganda today is more scientific and far "gentler" than it was in the mid-20th century, and because of that it is far more insidious and effective.

I'm sure everyone here thinks they are the ones who see through it, but beware. We've all been conditioned for decades. Modern propaganda of the Bernays kind was originally the handmaiden of capitalism and the ad sales people. If you can sell toothpaste effectively, you can sell a political candidate too. The techniques are the same. Dwight D. Eisenhower hemmed and hawed but in the end he let himself be sold like a can of Spam.

So what is called for is leaving the grid of pop culture and infotainment. A counter-cultural movement. To really get free we need to use the spiritual practices that have been around for thousands of years to wake people up to reality. The Hindus and the Buddhists have the best ones. Just don't become "religious"; don't end up in a saffron robe at the airport with a tambourine. 😆

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I want to reread They Thought They Were Free. It’s about how Germans under Hitler actually thought they lived in a free, normal country. Nazism was considered progressive. Good for regular people. I don’t really see any difference between todays shitlibs and the Nazis.

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Goebbels said he knew he knew about manufacturing consent from Wilson's America. Too bad you idiots don't study real history. It is hard to not love idiots I are one. I once believe America was free and democratic.

You want to talk about Ukraine. I back Zelensky.

Let us talk about the Monroe Doctrine in 2022.

There is no one in America who possesses a democracy and freedom like Ottawa and Quebec City run by our ethical Socratic philosophers.

God has royally fucked America and made it utterly totally and irreparably insane.

You can love Donald all you like but he does not know right from wrong and you idiots allowed him to lead.

Plato one of the founders of Republicanism said democracy is the worst of tyranny., But he never gave up his privilege. The only prince that did that was Moses. Alexander was a great leader who knew Diogenes was the wisest of the wise but he wouldn't turn over his empire to a man who lived like a dog.

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Thanks for proving Godwins law.

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What blows my mind is those screaming racism, Jim Crow about voter ID requirements, minorities being denied Covid tests and vaccines are the guiltiest of all. Essentially, they’re saying black people are so inept, incapable and such an inadequate sub-class of humans, it is outside their ability to read, drive, sign their own names or perform simple tasks. It goes along with only Trump voters and right wingers who are skeptical of a novel, unproven and potentially harmful vaccine. For a novel lab created virus. Meanwhile, Trump’s the one hawking the vaccines.

Guess what? I don’t give a rat’s ass who is propping up the jabs or what one’s reasons are for taking it or not. I didn’t want it, had valid reservations and wish I’d never have gotten the goddamn thing to appease anybody, my husband included. I wasn’t wrong.The unbearable migraine, non-stop nosebleed, creeping numbness from my feet to my knees, stroke and five day hospitalization prove so. Nor have I felt right since. I’m exhausted regardless of how much I sleep .

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OMG is a local high end burger restaurant located in one of our many abandoned cathedrals. We believe in the 5 r's and we prefer recycle to tear down.

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The green New Deal is part of our metaphysics. We can't change the past but we can try to create a better future. No fossil fuels after 2030.

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No need to pollute a thread with this bullshit. Your objection is noted. (your seeming obsession with a few posters here is your own business, but why make us all scroll through all caps copy paste?).

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Thanks for proving “ A mind is a beautiful thing to waste”

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"Trans-diverse."

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James Lindsay has coined the term Race Marxism but to me that doesn’t encompass all the flavors of identity-based revolutionary tyranny.

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The 20th century union movement succeeded massively in saving Depression-era capitalism from itself and powering broad middle class prosperity — with a huge tailwind from America’s dominant post-WW2 industrial base, of course.

But admittedly unionism became a victim of its own success and the movement descended by the 1970s into bloated corruption, similar to an empire degenerating after expansion.

The cultural left then took up the “rebellion” baton from the economic left as Reagan-era economic growth and declining interest rates ushered in a multi-decade expansion that had little need or room for unions. And a new generation of Americans learned to borrow their way to prosperity if income didn’t do it. We haven’t paid that piper yet.

Now here we are with the cultural left bloated and corrupt from its own largely successful historical journey from 60s-era civil rights to now. The cultural left is in the pocket of big business and the economic left remains back on its heels not knowing what to say or do for broad public support. Some of it has fused with the cultural left, either out of strategy or historical ignorance or both.

Race Marxism is a reasonably good descriptor — “Give us money because we’re historically oppressed _______ (fill in the blank)”. Appealing to the abstract idea of economic justice doesn’t fly. It’s too complicated and wonky, it demands too much thought, it demands an idea of citizenship and vision of society that’s too complex for soundbites. So we get the race hustle as a teleological 3-Card Monte on the street corner of the American Mind (if that’s not an oxymoron) and the corporations, governments and institutions lay down the hustle on employees. That makes the hustle effectively a cultural operating system that anyone defies at their peril.

Well, its a lot easier than facing the more abstract questions of capital vs. labor. And it lets the “leaders” preen with virtue. Race Marxism is probably a good descriptor — since the driving energy seems to be a blind and aggressive racial consciousness. Although to be sure many of its adherents are just grifters without interest in Marxist thought or perhaps even the reasoning ability to navigate intellectual history.

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Conservatives have been winning for decades. At least since Reagan. There is no Left. There are barely liberals. The Clintons routed them out of the Democratic Party. The liberal class had a function that benefited capitalists, as you said. By providing a few adjustments in the economy, they prevented both socialism and fascism. The liberal class is dead, as Chris Hedges pointed out in a book-length treatment.

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I have no clue to what the Canadian left is and I am a card carrying member of the NDP and our right center CAQ government led by conservative economist François Legault is to the left of Jagmeet Singh. This ain't Kansas and what's wrong with Kansas ain't what is wrong here. The only thing wrong here is Covid which prevented the arrival of 400000 new Quebec citizens over the last two years and was the only serious topic in the federal leaders French debate.

The unintended consequence of a boom economy is too many jobs and not enough workers for at least a generation in an economy where healthcare, daycare, education, access to broadband, much more than basic welfare are universal rights not privileges. In Quebec there is no such thing as a bad job. If you have a job you are wealthy by any real measure.

We don't even know how much excess pork is still on the hoof getting much larger than standard slaughter age.

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Bullocks, Quebec is an ethno-nationalist feudal duchy run by the exact same families that owned the place in 1763. Quebec's very existence depends on Scots religiously applying common law. If you look, not very hard, the most common white nationalist symbol in the protest was Drapeau des Patriots, times a factor of 100.

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The Fleur du Lys is not about the Virtue of Selfishness it is A La Recherche de Temp Perdue. It is Proustian not the GOP and Democratic Parties and Corporations are people and arms are weapons of peace and tranquility.

You have my sympathy. In Bill 21 Quebec your analysis is absurd. We are a democracy and the fleur de Lys is the flag of Bourbon France. That is why I always say America does know its past present and future it is Lost in Space and lost in time. Quebec in 2022 is Liberty, Equality and Fraternity and it is too much of America that should fly the flag of the eternal Fourth Reich.

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Bullocks again, wrong flag. I'm talking about Parti Patriot one with Le Vieux de'37 guy on it. Ya know the one that La Meute and Storm Alliance like. I'm born and raised in Wakefield QC, Quebec is my home and everybody in the Province knows exactly what the thing means. It's too bad that the English press is so clueless about it but there ya go. BTW Blanchet uses the older version on his friggin website.

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Society cannot function without a center or a platform for the voice of the individual.

It used to be the coolest thing

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The center cannot hold, the poet said. That's been a long process. In the West, the church was the center for hundreds of years, until the scientific revolution. The theory was going to be that reason and culture would replace religion as a "center." It hasn't worked. To explain all this though would take a long long text. A book that addresses it is "Culture and the Death of God" by Terry Eagleton.

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I don't need to read the book I star in the movie.

In Quebec Bill21 bans religions in our public places like schools, legislatures courtrooms and public offices. We are so liberal our ACLU wants us taken to court. That is why in many places the paint on the wall is two different colours and the darker paint is in the shape of a cross. That is why we call it a quiet revolution we have taken Jesus down from the cross and put him where he belongs somewhere in our hearts.

It is from my perspective working very well but Newspeak is not spoken here. Love is love and hate is hate.

I don't believe in gods, magic or miracles but sometimes listening to America and living in Quebec you start to wonder if being your brother's keeper is the only commandment worth a damnation or a salvation.

In Quebec if you want to resign from politics all it takes is saying God bless Quebec.

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Our government is conservative but in Newspeak they are an ultra left dictatorship.

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To be ambidextrous. By today’s standards, it would render you hated by everybody.

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pierce is of course correct . I am an imbecile. I don't facebook. I don't twitter. I can't follow what a ten year old considers simple instructions. If I wasn't labelled a genius I couldn't of found my way here. Following the yellow brick road is how I got here the only tornado I ever experienced was miles away.

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Yet Hitler’s “ National Socialism” was actual very similar to Communism. It wasn’t solely relegated to Germany. Like the USSR, he was taking it to a global level, conquering sovereign territories. Or Islamist Fascism, creating a global caliphate. Now it’s culminated into the Red/Green Axis, a melding of once opposing tyrannical ideologies of Communism, Fascism and Fundamentalist Theocratic Islam. Ironic, given Nazism and Communism were atheist movements, replacing the church with the state.

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No.

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I think Gail totally understands insanity.

I believe the legal definition is not knowing right from wrong.

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I have been stoned much of my life. My friends tell me I am much more stoned when I am not stoned. I am I totally stoned at the moment. Tell me am I stoned or totally unstoned? Our health department in our Marxist Utopia says for people my age stoned is better than unstoned it slows the progression and even lowers the possibility of Alzheimer's. I am pretty neutral on Alzheimer's I don't know if it is blessing or a curse.🤣🤣

Order Jean Guy from the catalogue our government is the Amazon of pot. Quality, price and selection and they put MainStreet out of Business in less than year.

Is there an Emoji for I'm coming to join you Elizabeth or are too few who remember Sanford and Son and nobody likes geezer comedy.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Paranoid are we?

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I don’t know. Too busy wondering who’s lurking in the shadows behind my dresser

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Who is “we”? Ironically, I never gave much thought to anything political or global beyond the superficial. Something changed during the Obama years, but I still didn’t look into the Bush years.It wasn’t until Trump’s presidency that everything I believed about our government and global affairs changed. It’s my own fault. Much of what I’ve discovered was accidental. Just stumbled upon enormous events, financial entities and global ties I’d have rolled my eyes at not long ago.

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Gail I think you might understand someone who spent 74 years searching for who I am and hope there is at least two decades remaining in my glorious Quest.

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When you live and breathe hypocrisy like the left does, it's not even a consideration for them. We should really stop being surprised or outraged or aghast or galled or whatever - they don't care. They do not care. They're fighting to win.

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Unfortunately, the left couldn’t pull this off without enough corruption and complicity enabled by the UniParty Establishment GOP. Globalism is death and we’ve been sold out by both parties. The GOP criminals don’t have the game to fight back. They hide behind a veneer of civility. Mitch, Bush, Romney,Cheney,Graham,Burr,McShitstain,Flake,Ryan,Christie,Kasich,Cofer Black,Wray,Rosenstein,Mueller,Barr,Baker,Hayden,Petraeus,Condi,Tillerson,Flake,Kent,Rove,Kinzinger,Ayotte,Hatch,McMullin,Ashcroft,George Conway,Bolton,Atkisson,Gergen,Schmitt,Cornyn,Rick Wilson,Nicole Wallace, Andrea Mitchell,Fiorella and I’m starting to believe Joni Ernst are all dirty

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PuhLEEZE! Don't be calling out the UniParty Establishment GOP without calling out the UniParty Establishment DNC: Kamala Harris, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, the Establishment Media, the Intelligence Agencies, etc et al. They're all dirty. And the UniParty needs the entire establishment to complete the project. Project Serf.

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Absolutely . Project Fief and Serf. What is literally eating me alive from within is the fact this can be ended if enough people had the guts and moral high ground to expose the truth. Instead, they bitch and sneer about this and that, but not one has called attention to the elephant in the room( no pun intended). The WEF DAVOS Great Reset NWO they sold us out to. If it was solely limited to the left, it would be THE issue!

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Calling out one is calling out the other. It’s the “ UniParty”.

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You forgot the esteemed representative from Big Pharma Jim Crow Clyburn. Colleague of dumber than the average bear Tim Scott.

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Colleague of the dumber than the average bear Tim our token Black Senator Scott and colleague of your utterly insane Senator Lindsey turkey brain Graham.

As for Joni of "only Christians" can sit on the Bench Ernst. I don't know whether Attorney General Whitacre or Ernst was a greater betrayal of America than Judas of thirty piece of silver fame but Iowa voters gave us Grassley and Ernst the powerful tag team called the banality of evil. Whitacre is hardly banal he would give a pile bricks a challenge in a stupidity contest. I guess football does cause brain damage.

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I really believed Trump would take out Graham, Mitch, Cheney,Burr,Ryan, Romney and the entire Bush apparatchik cabal. He empowered it.

I don’t like the far right, either. He gave them props as well.

And in doing so, he blew any chance of remaking the party into a modern, representative, inviting, functional entity . He just gave the no longer remotely Democrat Party a tremendous opening and refuses to take any responsibility for it.

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Graham is putrid.

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I fucking HATE him!

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The current Left in the U.S. is so feeble it couldn't organize a bowling tournament.

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And the right doesn't live and breathe hypocrisy? Nonsensical hyperbole.

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There are a handful that I really like. Among them, DeSantis, Winsome Sears ,Burgess Owens and other outsiders who March to their own beat. I’m supporting any outsider minority or pragmatic , energetic newcomer without baggage that isn’t a lockstep ideologue. If both parties are fighting to keep them out, I want them in.

And though many find this blasphemous, I want Trump to STFU and go away. Though I supported him, agreed with many of his platforms and believe he was screwed from day one, much of the blame is his own.

He likes to call everybody else “ incompetent”, but he selected Sessions, Wray,Rosenstein,Barr,Mattis,Bolton,McMaster,Haspel,Milley,Bannon,Price,Pence,Scaramucci,Chao,Kellyanne,Tillerson, Meadows and took terrible advice from imbeciles and traitors.

He’s the one who spilled his guts to Bob Woodward, gave Pence the job of selecting the Covid Task Force ( the dumbest move of all). He’s the one who campaigned for Kemp(awful), Morrissey( ugh, and absolutely ignorantly eviscerated Manchin, who was on his side and would have likely switched parties), pushed Collins into the Georgia Senate race when Loeffler had a tremendous lead, appealed to women, suburban voters, Jewish voters,LGBT, younger voters, and moderates. Collins got the zealots who otherwise would have voted for Loeffler and chose to pick a public fight during the Georgia runoffs. Even with the fraud, which definitely occurred, the GOP would have kept the Senate and with Loeffler, garnered Democrats who were on the fence.

He could have chosen the less hyper-ideological Cuban born Floridian Barbara Lagoa instead of ACB and not have created such a shitstorm. He’s the one who rallied for DeWine,Braun,Hawley,Cruz,Abbott and other thoroughly unlikable zealots.

He could have opted for Tammy Bruce, Lawrence Jones, Dave Rubin as Press Secretary, PR.. any position that was a public face or voice. They were on his side, not zealots and could easily handle the press as well as gain new voters. He fucked over Caitlyn Jenner, Mike Flynn, Rudy,Zudhi Jasser, Log Cabin, LGBT For Trump, Campus Reform, WalkAway,Blexit, Jexodus, Democrats For Trump,Niger Innis, Asra Nomani,Rob Johnson,Drs Scott and Burns, Lt Col West,Dave Webb,Carl DeMaio, Paris Denard,Sonnie Johnson, Gianno Caldwell,Hindus For Trump, Muslim Reform,Haitians For Trump, Latinos For Trump, Trish Regan,Dobbs, Leo Terrell,

Ignored amazing candidates, Joe Collins,Lacy Johnson,Tamika Hamilton,LaVerne Spicer,Billy Lempesse,

Ignored the best choices for military, Intel , judicial ,health agencies,healthcare reform, Federal reserve, I.s. Charles PayneBetsy McCaughey,Nan Hayward,Jim Kallstrom,Ray Kelly, Dave Reaboi, Anthony Tata,Jonathan Turley,Fitton-

Incompetence? How did he not source the leaks? Some of them were beyond obvious, particularly the conversation with Kislyak. McMaster leaked it to Susan Rice, at the same time extending her security clearance. McShitstain pushing McMaster into Flynn’s vacancy, Ryan, McStain,Kerner ( all three involved in the IRS Scandal), the call w/ Ukraine’s Zelensky ( Graham, McShitstain, Soros,Hill,Kent, Ivanovich,Podesta Bros, Cofer Black, Soros,Biden,Lanny Davis, Rick Davis, Sid Blumenthal,Vindman, Kloubachar,Mueller,Romney,DeVine ( Bernie’s 80k per mo campaign manager), Pelosi, Hillary,Chalupa,Bolton , Atlantic Council, Biden,Crowdstrike, all involved)

Why the fuck or better still, how the fuck did he not know about Fauci’s 40 + year history? Or Event 201?

But the most peculiar unmentioned , but most enormous, danger and horrific goings on of all is the World Economic Forum DAVOS “ Great Reset” globalist UN NWO. BlackRock/Vanguard/StateStreet /China backed plan and Biden’s Build Back Better cabinet. NOT A PEEP!

You know who IS hammering it? Russell Brand, Kim Iversen, Sanjeti, Glenn Beck Bret Weinstein, Glenn Greenwald, Joe Rogan, Vivek Ramaswami,Fitton,Binney,Chang,, Drs Malone, McCullough,Risch, Makary,Bhuttacharaya,Hatfill,Ionnides,Atlas,Levitt, Zelenko and other unexpected , once oppositional new allies

Trump is still bragging about his poison darts and endorsing shit candidates vs electable outsiders

The last straw was his attempted attack on DeSantis, who is head and shoulders the better man for the job. Smarter, more independent, thoughtful, curious, focused and creative.

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Are you referring to me, pierce? I was Trump’s biggest cheerleader. Worked alongside him for 2 years. He did great things but surrounded himself with terrible people.

Grenell, Patel, Pai, Navarro,Atlas,Carson , Rudy were the very few that had his back

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They don’t live and breathe hypocrisy. The define it. Some of us call it sociopathy.

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As opposed to fighting to lose?

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They have the power backing to not have to worry about the blatant mistakes they make nor the lies they tell. Let's hope the next elections begin the process to correct THAT mistake.

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Trudeau is one of Klaus Schwaub’s WEF DAVOS handpicked “ Young Global Leaders”. The recent crop includes NZ Jacinda Ardern, Pete Buttegieg,Emmanuel Macron, BLM co-founder Alicia Garza, Fareed Zakariah, Moderna’s Bancel, ZekeEmanuel, Prince Harry and Meghan, Sanjay Gupta… research the history. It’s staggering.

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And also Cdn Deputy PM Chrystia Freeland. She sits on the WEF board while holding her Deputy PM position.

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Isn’t it stunning? More stunning still is the silent GOP. Among the former “ graduates”, Merkel, ,Sarkozy, Blair, Juncker,Jindal, Jeb, Haley, Zuck, Gates,Leo DiCaprio, Bono, Chelsea, Carlos Slim, Bezos,Thomas Friedman, Pena Nieto, El Chapo( can’t make it up) Richard Branson, NiallFerguson

Among the high ranking founding members, Larry Fink( BlackRock), Soros,Buffett,Johns-Hopkins,Ashcroft, Gergen

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I am not on the same page. I always attribute to ignorance all the malice America perceives. The only exception being the Trumper who I suspect is the victim of fetal Alcohol. I worked in a facility with children of normal intellect who had no empathy and were seemingly normal until right out of the blue they slashed you across the ankle with a hockey stick as an acknowledgement of your presence.

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I’m Jewish and hearing the constant Hitler and Nazi mantra so heinously and capriciously abused sickens me. It is projection.

To really grasp the extent of revisionist history, watch the “ documentaries” of WWII, Marx, Stalin, Castro,Mao,the Iranian Revolution, FDR produced post 2009. The missing information is staggering as is the glamorization or minimization of the worst tyranny perpetrated in the past century.

No mention of the Japanese internment camps, the St.Louis, Joseph Kennedy’s rabid antisemitism ( or FDR’s hatred of Jews, Asians, Blacks), Mao and Castro were “poets”,Marx was “Jewish” and a man born of the working class( he was born to self loathing wealthy Jewish parents, hated Jews and was an elite academic who never did a day’s labor), the Ayatollah regime was a movement for “ equity”, Mengele was just a doctor with exceptional curiosity and unrequited genius, no mention is made of Pearl Harbor’s preventability had FDR paid attention, no mention of how much of Europe was sympathetic to Hitler, no mention of the Munich Olympics and Hitler’s refusal to stand for Jesse Owens…. erased.

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Gail. I am Jewish and what what you are writing is utter nonsense. I am an old Jew more than willing to learn new tricks and at 74 I am learning new tricks faster than ever. I am recently labelled autistic for whatever that means and just learning to stop hating your effing culture and mores.

Nobody asks to be stupid some of us are just conditioned that way.

It is so wonderful to pigeonhole the world it is much easier than trying to understand who is looking at us from the other side of the mirror.

Justin Trudeau is Davos's bete noire an aristocrat who chose to leave the top of the mountain to live work teach and study martial arts in a community of working class was not a welcome visitor to Davos and neither was our Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland who wrote Plutocrats: The Rise of the New Global Super Rich and the Fall of Everyone Else. She worked with Matt Taibbi in Moscow and is Canada's most highly regarded public intellectual for whatever that is worth. Canada is run by its ethical philosophers not its bankers.

The North American Media is Corporate and corporate is never about truth it is about profit. If you are about profit you don't teach children about Aladdin and Minstrel shows you teach them about flag and country and anything that is not about truth. If you wish to teach truth there is nothing like theatre ask Oscar Wilde.

Your villains are victims . They are fools and madmen and like you they love the kool-aid.

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You’re right, Moe. No argument. But cowardice is a contagion. I remember when Jews were thought to be so smart. We tried harder to be better . It was a dual product of necessity and pride.

But there seems to be a dearth of all the aforementioned.

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Gail Irving Layton was a teacher. He fought your nemesis our Jewish community "leaders" who paid the thirty piece of silver. He sounded like Trump but he felt pain and taught love.

Let us go back 65 years.

You will see the world I grew up in. I was indeed a lucky imbecile.

Thirty minutes of great teaching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvIM6-BGx8I

I have having a great time remembering things past.

Here is thirty minutes on censorship and the Soviet Union.

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1870623763

Prophecy .

Layton is my favourite Jewish prophet.

Fighting Words is my kind of television and the truth is buried far too deep. We are sophisticates.

I know this will be heroine for you and the CBC all the Fighting Words have Eureka moments. The archive is a great dope dealer.

Layton taught high school just like Trudeau. Trudeau chose a working class inner city and Layton chose Orthodox Jews.

My friend the crazy aboriginal lady visited this morning came for a visit and we shared our insane philosophy. I loaned her Layton's

For My Brother Jesus. I showed her the book and she could not put it down.

https://www.amazon.com/My-Brother-Jesus-Irving-Layton/dp/0771048475

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Your self-admired lifetime of learning has led you to support North America's first fascist dictator. He lies, and you lap it up. He unleashes jack booted thugs (literally!) on your fellow citizens and you sit there admiring his fucking hair. He's going to track down people charged with no crime and destroy their lives and livelihoods based on nothing more than irrational hatred and spite. And you think that's just fine, either because you think that's appropriate for inconveniencing Ottowa and making fun of people, or because you also hate your fellow citizens.

In the process he is expanding the scope and power of ARMED ENFORCEMENT waaay beyond what's delineated in the law or advised, I'm sure, by your "ethical philosophers". And that's okay with you, because he's a 𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑠𝑐ℎ?

If you are in favor of "correct thought enforced by police power", then you favor fascist rule, SO LONG AS IT DOESN'T COME FOR YOU, and that's a piss poor result to achieve from a lifetime of learning.

You're basically cheering on a Canuck version of Joseph McCarthy. The truckers' requests were clear and simple. A LEADER would have spoken to them, come to some understanding. Could have gotten them out of the capitol pretty easily, but he was always more interested in demonizing these regular Canadians by lying about them with insane accusations of being foreign agents, racists, religious zealots, Nazis, etc., etc. He never said a word about their actual complaints, just ugly hatred and lies from day one. And you admire it?

This is so much more authoritarian than anything Trump ever did, but I'm confident the power of compliance will help you invent some non-equivalence. You should be ashamed, but I suspect you've ratiocinated yourself past that point.

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No mention of Walter Duranty, the complicit NYT, the American companies that abetted the Nazis, including Ford, IBM, Kodak, the Lindberghs,Duke and Duchess of Windsor, Gloria Swanson, Roald Dahl, TS Elliott,Noel Coward, great grandfather Bush, the Astors

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I was expecting the Walter to be followed by Disney, Reagan's sponsor and partner in stupidity. Disney was America's premier fascist and anti Semite and Uncle Walt was loved because he was a talented Igno ramous, not an evil genius; Reagan was a perfect stooge.

That we are products mostly of poor nurturing and are evil beings is nonsense. In a world of men and machines, I conclude that it is all about "garbage in and garbage out". All we can change is the garbage we put into the machinery. When we put in our shoes we were saboteurs. What do we call the people who put garbage into our computers because they don't know any better? I call them humans.

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Conspiracy nonsense. But funny!

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Moose is having a wonderful time this is a great place to learn satire. I love Swift and Twain but they were centuries ago. This is the 21st century not the 19th and 18th. I am desperately trying to learn Newspeak and the Ministry of Truth is way beyond anything I can comprehend.

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Don't sell yourself short, Moe.

Your beloved philosopher king spews hatred for three weeks, exhibits zero wisdom and then unleashes literal jack-booted thugs on your fellow citizens, and you can't disapprove of it.

You either have a good grasp of NuSpeak, or it has an excellent command of you.

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Democracy is hard work today I thought I might indulge my curiosity and listen to MSNBC for an hour. How wrong was I? I heard Professor of Logic Charles Dodgeson's Humpty Dumpty named many times after almost two decades of my attempts at communication in America's media and George Orwell the greatest exponent of precise English before Chomsky and Pinker creditted with being prophetic. I was overcome with hubris before the eminent America historian Doris Kearns talked about Lincoln and American democracy explain Lincoln and American democracy which I know really began in 1688 when elected parliaments governed and James II reigned and the colonies had elected parliamentary governance and were by every definition democracies. Lincoln attempted to keep his fiefdom together he was not the abolitionist Benjamin Bonhomme Richard Franklin had been. America changed ownership there was simply no revolution. I just can't deal with absurdity. Lincoln wrote, Johnson wrote, Franklin wrote Adams wrote and Jefferson wrote don't Americans know how to read? Trump's refusal to concede is not unprecedented Adams never conceded Jefferson's victory he was a man of law and a Federalist.

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He's like Philip K. Dick on Quaaludes. Similar style, not as entertaining.

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I am almost 74 and recently labelled autistic. I have no idea what left and right are when I have no idea of context. Where am I standing? If I am standing in Quebec Bernie Sanders is too my right if I am standing inside Washington's beltway Donald Trump is on my extreme left.

America has not taught its children well.

I have friends in low places and I have friends in high places. They tell me me the only thing I need to know is what Bauhaus once taught. Form follows function.

They tell me that if America seems totally dysfunctional it is because it is made to seem totally dysfunctional.

My great passion is satire Irving Layton 1912-2006 is my favourite satirist but nobody really cares who he is. Jonathan Swift and Mark Twain are second and third in no particular order and Pearls before Swine and Calvin and Hobbes are particularly insane philosophers. I am extremely lucky to have had Borat as a best friend and spiritual adviser.

Justin Trudeau could have spent his life hunting tigers in Nepal instead of studying martial arts and living and teaching drama in a Montreal inner city working class neighbourhood. He is 50 years old he has spent half his adult life learning to be human so he could play Marcus Aurelius on TV. I can't control words. I speak in metaphors and I am learning how to write. I am a slow learner.

The press can't write truth about Justin Trudeau because it cannot understand Justin Trudeau. The press cannot tell us the truth because the press has no knowledge of what truth is. America has enough scientists, technicians, engineers and mathematicians. It is up to the eyeballs in Sophists but it is starving for Socratics. Without Socratics there is no Western Civilization. The USA is Western but it sure ain't civilized.

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Authoritarian bullshit is authoritarian bullshit. No amount of fancy words changes that simple fact.

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May I ask when does an authoritarian cross your line and become a true spiritual and moral leader?

John Ralston Saul says cynicism is democracy's greatest threat. Aren't you proving his hypothesis by ranting about authoritarianism.

I live in a real democracy and Justin grew up in my Quebec neighbourhood as did Kamala Harris. I understand the culture ethical and moral values. I know many societies but they are few compared to the many I do not know or understand.

What might I ask do you see from Matt330 world? Who do you believe? If you don't believe anybody how can you believe yourself. It took me a long time to believe myself and I still have doubts.

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Oh I don't know. The protection of individual liberties even when inconvenient? Governments restrained by their constitutions and accountable to their own laws? Skepticism and limitations on the use of emergency powers? Equal protection under the law without exception? Blatant corporate monopolies being subjected to antitrust laws already on the books? I don't give a damn what you believe or what you believe about yourself and before you try to do the stupid gotcha of throwing that back at me, no shit, that is how the world works. All the things I listed are already part of my country's constitution and laws. While we are at it, a press that holds the powerful to account and does not get caught lying every other day and foreign policy that actually works in the interest of my country would be nice too.

Oh and just out of curiosity, you do know Kamala Harris was infamous for violating the rights of defendants when she was a prosecutor in California and Tulsi Gabbard bringing up said abuses in a debate was what tanked her presidential run?

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In democracies we have rights not liberties we are not anarchists or libertines. Epstein is not our hero.

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Are you fucking high? Liberties has specific legal connotations involving the restriction of government power, where as the legal connotations of "rights" has been severely watered down. They can now mean anything from freedom of assembly (which you seem to hate) to government assistance programs. Also, what the fuck does Epstein have to do with anything?

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Yes I knew about Kamala and I am not a fan but I try to understand. I am only saying where she attended school. Come up for a visit, you have described Quebec democracy. No gender, no religion, no race, no socio -economic walls; with equal justice for all. That is our constitution. Our courts determine justice not law; unjust laws regardless of legality are banned.

Democracy is a journey not a destination. The road ahead is still long and winding but I think you will like what you see. This is not Kansas and it sure is not Oz.

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Any thoughts on where Kamala would be today if she hadn’t blown Willie Brown?

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Talk show on an NPR affiliate station? Running a grift at an environmental activism s̶l̶u̶s̶h̶ ̶f̶u̶n̶d̶̶. errr...NGO. Or lobbyist? (In which case she still might've ended up with Willie's willy in her mouth.)

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I think you made an understandable error. I am sure you meant high and mighty attitude not high altitude. She grew up on the mountain but not at its pinnacle and Westmont Mont Royal nis not Everest I am a moron and thought it was a good if not great joke. Now I need help getting an old laughing hysterically old troll off of the floor.

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In 1978 Kamala was attending Westmont High and the Jonestown massacre was not even front page. The front page was the story of Americans being Americans and we had our own front page as the moving vans were in Westmont evacuating the corporate elite who had their own special way of protesting taxes, mandates and liberal democracy.

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Trudeau is a child, Kamala has no values because she stands for nothing.

Are you familiar with Gal Saad? He’s quite interesting. Very unique with a keen sense of reading people.

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Gail, Trudeau is heir to great fortune. He is 50 and before politics lived worked, and taught in a working class inner city neighbourhood and studied martial arts and taught drama and theatre. Our than the liberal caucus Trudeau's voter all live in Papineau a rather poor by Canadian standards working class neighbourhood. Why do you p'ay any attention to English corporate media puzzles me. This is Taibbi County.

Watch Trudeau in the ring with Martial artist Senator Patrick Brazeau. Brazeau is an honourable man and accomplished martial artist. When you watch the fight think Liston/Ali. Brazeau was a heavy favourite until the referee stopped the fight as the third round began and the paid blood thirsty mob never got to see Trudeau's 40 year old locks shorn from his aristocratic head. I hate our English Corporate media maybe more than Taibbi hates your corporate media because Canada is not a hegemonic empire and should know better.

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You do not have to respond to EVERY post.

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Pierce is OCD. It is hard to deal with obsessive compulsive disorder. I enjoy our dialogue but I have banged my head against the wall of ignorance for 70+ years and bad habits are hard to break even when they inflict brain damage. Only in America is OCD a crime. In Quebec it is a medical condition.

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The first Socratics like Plato rejected democracy because they believed democracy would end with chaos. So far Quebec has done well but democracy is barely 50 and in America the attempt at liberal democracy went from 1932-and died in 1972. Watergate took care of Nixon but democracy never returned. Carter was overthrown in a Parliamentary coup and a corrupt media campaign focused on repeating the same lies ad nauseum.

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That aptly describes your pseudo-intellectual deranged ramblings about the left.

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Good lord, you're at it again with your hyperbolic nonsense.

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I win again!

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The truckers should've mentioned that they were also there for climate change and social justice. Then they would be applauded.

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Too vanilla. Maybe trans climate-endangered indigenous body positive yeastatarians.

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I'm about to ask if 'yeastatarians' is made up, but i doubt it is.

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Left-handed Inuits with mild Aspergers and eczema will be the group that puts the Democrats on top in 2024. No but they are so gone now, I don't expect them to recover in my lifetime.

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And bashing Israel. That’s always good for extra props.

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"Commie left" LOL, who are you, Joe Friday from Dragnet?

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TBH, they DO have a lot of practice in "rationalizing hypocrisy". No surprise they're good at it.

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The American left (fascists' cloak as socialists) plays the head I win tail you lose game. Don't play along.

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But the corporate media & Trudeau told me these are violent, dangerous, Nazi fanatics. Where are the burning businesses, flying projectiles at the beleaguered police, the masked roving mobs of the ‘Mostly Peaceful Protests that we witnessed during the summer of 2020? The hypocrisy & mendacity of this Globalist Regime stupefies me.

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You just know if they had actual video of the truckers doing those things they would be playing it non stop. It's rather telling that they have none.

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100%. Every WaPo article about the protest has to mention that "allegedly" there has been harassment of minorities and homeless people. If there was an ounce of truth to it Don Lemon would be talking about it non stop.

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The only thing it tells us is that this is Canada and as much as we disagree with the truckers we aren't going to let them be martyred. America hates its victims but loves its martyrs. Isn't that how Trump wins elections.

I've seen the videos. If I lived inside the barricades and had an assault rifle there would be blood in the street. I left the city because the noise causes me pain. You can't show 24 hours of horn honking on television. I think you call it cruel and unusual punishment. It was why Canada's supreme court ruled corporations are entitled to the same rights as toilet paper they feel no pain so cruel and unusual punishment is an irrational concept and corporations cannot be considered people or sentient entities.

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Thank you for the affirmation

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Yes, by Quebec standards I am rather large. On Chicago's Southside the Target carried sizes much too large for me in Quebec I must shop big and tall. Hey I lost 25 pounds in five months.

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If the shoe fits. In Quebec OCD is a medical condition not a personal failing. If you moved here you would be treated like every other Quebec citizen and be given all the medical services you require. The services are not free, democracy is not free we pay high taxes for freedom and democracy and peace, order and exceptionally non corrupt governance.

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Nah, they are just selfish assholes.

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Best screen name award! Seems we’re more of the Eastasia mentetality. No sense of self

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Bunch of idiotic economic terrorists is what they are. And nice job with the anti Semitic globalist regime comment. Telling.

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We can always design and build a better economy. Souls however have a no exchange or return caveat attached to the bargain.

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Hitler came to power the same way Trump came to power, people are always looking for Messiahs when facing a daunting future. We have no way of protecting ourselves from a bully 10 times our size and as reasoned as a drunken elephant.

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I have done a lot of drugs from lithium, to Ritalin and now the Health authorities are recommending cannabis for citizens my age. Today the post office delivered a fresh supply. What are you taking? I always wanted something that stopped me from thinking.

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Do you really believe the shit, vomit and diarrhea you spew?

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Actually Doug Ford Ontario's Trump wannabe and Premier of Ontario has said these are violent , dangeous nazi fanatics and Ford is not really very smart but he is not a pathological liar and he is not insane. I think the Ford family ran a plumbing or electrical contracting business but Ontario is a different democracy in Canada's sovereign democracy within democracy federation. We left the 18th century two centuries and 22 years ago.

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This is a far cry from a true national emergency by rational standards. What kind of leaders would react like Trudeau? Assholes would.

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His cunt of a father did once too.

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He is not his father's son. His father lived the life of an aristocrat. Justin chose to live with his students in a working class inner city neighbourhood instead up high on Montreal's mountain with the money and the power.

To me your words have no context or empirical proof.

Justin Trudeau is fifty years old his grandfather owned Montreal's triple A ball club. His Father was an aristocrat and public intellectual who travelled the world and was recruited to be Prime Minister. Justin is 50 years old he spent his adult life living in an inner city neighbourhood teaching inner city youth drama and quantum computing and studying martial arts. Justin's father never came down from the haute montagne (from high on the mountain). I am learning to write English writing in my second or third language isn't even close to getting on my bucket list. Justin Trudeau does not fit the narrative.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=S72ZaDJaGp4C&pg=PA415&lpg=PA415&dq=haute+montagne+hierarchies&source=bl&ots=CxIKZXw3Ty&sig=ACfU3U1yeQwwasj8ON8MYwMrS7bB34A2JA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjippHrhYb2AhXmj4kEHd9GD5kQ6AF6BAgVEAM#v=onepage&q=haute%20montagne%20hierarchies&f=false

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So the rich boy slummed it for a few years for the cred.

Sounds like Kid Rock living inner city Detroit for a couple years, thinking it gives him a ghetto pass all his life.

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The rich boy worked very hard learning human. Canada and Quebec's parliaments appear to be very different from when I was growing up they looked very Southern and very genteel, today they look like Canada,.

Ali Velshi father did not resemble much of the rest of Ontario's parliament. Today he would look like a Defense Minister, a party leader or a Vice Regent,. Trudeau was elected despite being his father's son.

I am beside myself . You sound like everything Taibbi rails against and now Taibbi sounds exactly like his worst enemy.

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Moe, is that you Justin?

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Seriously, you sound like his publicist.

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How many times do I have too repeat I hired pierce to draw attention to my imbecilic rants. This imbecile spent his life checking the facts.

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Give it up. You don't have a convincing argument, you don't have a logical argument, you don't have a sophisticated argument in Taibbi world most of us know how to fact check and you have no argument whatsoever. You can't even argue with imbeciles with fact checkers.

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I said about twenty minutes of horn honking would make me insane twenty four seven three sixty five and I would get an assault rifle and there would be blood in the street and the blood might be mine, it might be working class it might be middle class but there would be blood in the street and if it wasn't my blood I think I could win a plea of non compos mentis.

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I like a leader like Zelensky who tries to mollify the situation by avoiding any pretext for foreign evasion and invasion. I trust Putin more than any American leader because Russian generals have no qualms about killing dangerous insane tyrants. George Armstrong Custer was not a Russky and neither was MacArthur. America was lucky MacArthur's fascist coup didn't gain traction.

Would you like more lessons in real true honest history?

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I remember laughing at the sight of all of these "journalists" covering the Black Lives Matter protests last year, who insisted that the protests were "largely peaceful", even though these statements were often made when there were fires appearing in the background. Nonetheless, there was obvious sympathy for the protests and it was deemed to be a just cause. So the subject matter of the protests became the story, as opposed to questions about whether it was being hijacked by extremist elements (eg. Antifa).

By contrast, the truckers' convoy doesn't fit into the comfortable narrative that our governments have continued to feed us, both about Covid, and the necessity of all of the restrictions that have been introduced in the name of "following the science". Furthermore, there is little sympathy accorded to the protesters, who in fact have been largely peaceful (there's been hardly any destruction of property anywhere). But somehow, they are dismissed as "racists", who are being funded by far-right fringe elements south of the border.

The double-standard in the coverage is very notable.

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I live just about a mile from where George Floyd was murdered. The violence that followed was blatantly engineered by nefarious outsiders so that the narrative of violence could be spread by the media. In reality the vast majority of the protesters were peaceful. I had a friend injured by teargas. After the riots and arson ended the community collected food donations for those in need--it filled a large portion of a neighborhood park. It was amazing to see the solidarity of our racially mixed community. This never made it into the propaganda media's story.

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I know someone that was murdered by BLM protesters for saying that all lives matter, so I disagree that they were peaceful. Burning, looting, murder. Not peaceful.

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Phil Rizzuto on BLM:

"I know someone that was murdered by BLM protesters for saying that all lives matter...sort of the way Mayberry murdered that hanging slider of Gossage's last inning...You know what happens when you drink coffee all day? You gotta go visit Bill Veeck!...so I disagree that they were peaceful....Brett a pop foul that'll be out of play...burning, looting, murder last night at Comiskey, the disco night the bonfire on the field, Sparky ordering his players to the clubhouse..."

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In Minneapolis? Who?

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Are you related to Paul Harvey. I listened and learned to fact check and the very Republican Mr Harvey was always somewhere between 4 and 5 Pinocchio's on the rest of the story.

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Lmao Nice fucking try.

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I've read different accounts. But let's take your perspective as the right one, in which case it was covered legitimately by the press.

But the same cannot be said about the truckers convoy. Almost immediately, they were accused of being a bunch of racists, funded by alt-right money coming from abroad. Very few members of the media, let alone the governments, gave them a fair hearing.

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That's my point. I saw the propaganda distortion directly in Minneapolis. And I understand who the Canadian truckers are--decent people defending their rights. I have watched hours of the livestreams from Ottawa so I know who they are--diverse (racially and politically), decent, and actually not radical at all--just patriotic. God bless them. Fuck the binary partisan distortions from, mainly fake liberals at this time, as opposed to fake conservatives at others. This is an attack from the "third way", the global neoliberal oligarchy that respects no authentic/autochthonous liberalism or conservatism.

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The money has be followed. The the twenty four seven honking and the fascists and bullies have been videoed. What is it about empirical evidence that you fail to grasp.

How many urls do I need to give to people like yourself. Our corporate press is pretty shitty. That is the unvarnished truth but we do have a free and independent press and we are a leader in press freedom and America has moved up to 44 somewhere behind Burkina Faso which I understand is pretty good for third world.

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Kooky, creepy SJW's don't have wet dreams and if they try and tell you that they do they're lying.

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Thank you again for bringing the little grey matter (Is that gray or grey.) I have to resembling real living cells. My joy is telling myself puns that only my wife and I understand. My wife's doctoral dissertation was about educating everybody even those of us suffering irreparable brain damage. Her contribution to a government White paper on educating imbeciles like myself is available on line and if you visit I will be happy to show you where it is.

I know a brilliant young male such as yourself already knows more than most of us have any right to know but one day you to will have an EEG flatter than a pancake and be able to smile at your sudden lack of perception and my insanity. We trolls enjoy laughter as much as we enjoy fresh Billygoat. The only goat I have is frozen and and is lying at the bottom of my freezer and my wife does not eat goat or vindaloo curry.

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I did my first emoji today. Can I add emojis to past comments? I was told emojis are a lot like heroine. I've fallen in love with ROFL🤣

I am reminded of that classic What kind of fool am I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Hv5Bw-AUc

Sammi wasn't a really great singer but he could really deliver the message😍😢

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The media has “made them think their fear is a virtue.” Important point. By the time you get to my age, 77, you realize that safety is way, way over-rated. By all that’s right and holy, people my age should be the most dangerous people in America.

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Geez I sure hope I have another three years left in me.

I still fear Billy goats and crumbling or dead Empires. Maybe we should pray for God's blessings for America and Putin's miraculous cure from madness.

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The restrictions in Canada have been far worse than here in the States. Vaccine Passports to grocery shop, pick up prescriptions, eat at restaurants, parks (and even dog parks) closed with 8pm curfews, talk of No-Vax fines and shot mandates for children -- and then after the carbon taxes are thrown at the transport companies, they stood to lose drivers with all these time consuming stops for tests and proof of inoculations...Trucking is a very solitary profession! Independent people desire independent choices. It appears that this is not a "fringe minority" at all.

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Passport mandates and the state of emergency are set to expire the IDES of March and our hospitals handled the crisis and our hospitals are almost back to normal. Our deaths and hospitalization are a fraction of that of the oligarchy that runs the most powerful military on the planet. Covid struck the same time as Covid struck NYC. We went from the highest death rate north of Mexico to a death rate less than third of the USA and we are half a decade older on average and our neighbour seized the vaccine we ordered while your oligarchs made billions pretending they were wise enough to outthink a pre life protein. I guess tyranny is also in the eyes of the beholder. In the world outside your enlightened borders we are consider amongst the freest healthiest and enlightened societies on the planet. It's a Mad Mad Mad World.

Plato was correct everyone hates truthtellers.

Can you explain to me how you anthropro morphise non sentient biological proteins and blastula. I am an aspiring zombie when it comes to Sophistry.

If you don't understand what I am saying why the fuck are you and pierce here?

This is a crazy place to be for people who know and understand the universe.

Maybe it is time to put an end and cancel Sesame Street for poisoning our children's minds.

The truth is toxic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb47CstE7R4

The truth does not do harmony really well.

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Maybe this is a time for people like myself who want to say we love truth but truth causes great pain. Stop trying to explain why a a victim of fetal alcohol was elected President. I worked with young victims and I love them. What the world needs now is truth and truth requires empathy and desire to understand.

I've been talking about Alice's Humpty Dumpty for a long long time. When Ari talked about Humpty Dumpty my heart skipped The Beat and then he brought on Doris Kearns Goodwin and I screamed my hatred of sophistry and so much truth that was perceived didn't pass my metaphysical examination.

Democracy began in America in 1688 and 1776 was just the beginning of the next chapter. Freedom is all perception devoid of any truth.

Where is our Voltaire we have better boards and better nails. We now have x-chairs to soothe the pain. I now know why X is there instead of the name of my brother Jesus.

Truth exists only in the eyes of the beholder.

Juliette has been part of my life for a long long time. She knows I attract seekers and refused to allow me to put up my Metaphysician shingle. She speaks only her truth.

She said seekers need food and drink and leave a mess we no longer can clean up and chances are they will leave looking for boards and nails after they gift me an x-chair.

My brother Jesus was a wise man but I am not so wise and I am a coward.

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I believe that was true -- I have been visiting Canada for over 50 years...lived in Toronto a bit -- attend the Film Festival....but, the restrictions, while respected, denied many blue collar workers their livelihood and caused irreparable harm to their kids...tough times -- empathy, or even an acknowledgement of their troubles by your Premier, could have ended it. Name calling is not your way...But, I still love many things about your country! Bon chance!

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Our premier is a slave to our ethical philosophers and public health experts go figure. We hired Legault he was extremely popular. In fact he was the most popular politician in Canada. By this time next year we may have a Montreal born Haitian raised daughter of the man who founded our working class University system. The story is so unAmerican Joseph McCarthy was seen rising from the grave.

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and that's why we folks from the south country love Canada -- and that old Wisconsin McCarthy, well, he may have to rise some distance to leave his grave!

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Mina's avatar

I haven't seen much media coverage of the huge impact the Canadian freedom convoy has had on the rest of the world. Mini freedom convoys are popping up everywhere.

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I think the US caravans or convoys are starting later.

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Would it be a surprise if the US truckers strategically start the show 30-45 days prior to midterm elections?

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Maybe in time to allow the WH to says it's Putin meddling in our electoral process as payback for interfering in his false flag invasion of Ukraine Wag the dog

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I can totally recommend Quebec's Bon Vieux Hash over Macdonald hash browns and I remember really enjoying the clown's hash browns 30 years ago.

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I read there is a kick off rally on Mar 5, possibly at Coachella.

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Chairman Trudeau did it again today

Went off on a Conservative Canadian Party member who voiced support for the truckers protest against mandates and government overreach.

“ This is the right wing support of Nazis, Confederates, White Supremacy, racism, misogyny”

The member who commented was a Jewish woman.I’d venture to guess she has a far greater understanding of Nazism, White Supremacy and government medical overreach, forced medical experimentation, racism and misogyny than Chairman Comrade Fuhrer Trudeau.

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Actually he called children of Holocaust survivors Nazis and refused to apologize for it.

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Sorry, but I think Trudeau is an entitled moron and acting like a fascist. He is so out of touch with those he supposedly represents. First, let's look at data and do the math, shall we? Most healthy adults over the age of 70 with no co-morbidities survive COVID and require no hospitalisation - particularly with the Omicron variant. Second, there are excellent therapeutics at hand which help mitigate severe outcomes. Mandates for a vaccine which has not proven to be effective regarding tenor nor transmission? Are you joking?? And Omicron is much less virulent than previous variants. Explain the "science" to me please...

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He’s certainly been raised as one

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The convoy has been brutally effective at signalling and spurring provincial premiers to scrap mandates and covidiocy. They've given Canadians a focal point to apply their energies and activism. Whereas Fidel Jr is simply in way over his head without the acting chops to pull it off.

Stick a fork in him, he's done.

I think the US convoy will galvanize the same reaction and support in the US as it wends its way cross country.

A major reset of the world power balance continues to play out in real time.

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It seems that Trudeau stands squarely against basic civil liberties & rule of law. His reaction to these peaceful protests demanding restoration of law is stunning. Democracy & Trudeau cannot peacefully coexist in Canada. One or the other must go.

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Matt,

Could we get a piece like this on the international ones? Not a peep about any of it on cable news here

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Cole's avatar

Video's like these should be crossposted to Rumble or some site other than You Tube.

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Great work! It's really shocking to me how rare the basic cookie-cutter formula of 'go to a place and listen to people' reporting has become, it's so desperately needed.

From the start, the big legacy Canadian media oligopoly just seemed to instantaneously agree at once that the truckers were racist chuds who want to do Nazi Fascism for incomprehensible reasons, and have saved themselves the trouble of actually talking to any of them. They've simply pre-decided: "The protestors are ignorant because they disagree with the benevolent experts. The experts aren't wrong, so disagreement must be wrong. And since we derive our morality from scientific truth, you can't be factually wrong without also being morally wrong. So they must have corrupt, nefarious motives - maybe they're selfish superspreaders, or racists, funded by big oil, and Putin's Russia, and extremist Americans. Oh no, we don't want to platform evil - that's how we got Trump! Yes, our readers might be too stupid to properly prejudge that the protestors are evil, like we just wisely did. So, let's strongly denounce these dangerous truckers with every evil-adjacent descriptor in our word gun. They probably deserve it."

We've got several friends who drove up to Ottawa to join the protests. They're sweet people, motivated by heartbreak for the impact these measures have had on their kids, and a deep resentment of all the ways covid-centric governing is hostile to community, privacy, faith, movement, civil liberties, and now even freedom of speech itself. How they're being characterized by their government and media has nothing to do with reality! Watching these intertwined elite groups collude to not only put their thumb on the scale, but openly climb on the scale and do the Mario 64 ground pound... it's just flabbergasting. i've never seen the seams on the propaganda so clearly, it's way way way worse than anything i experienced living in the US after 9/11 even. And somehow it just keeps getting worse! Insane. i've been running out of novel ways to say insane lately

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Someone PLEASE tell the anti-vaxxers that Covid is not the measles or chicken pox. The vaccines and boosters make Covid a toothless dog. It can still bite you (you can still test positive) but it won't hurt you (or in the case of Covid, put you in the hospital and/or kill you).

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Dan's avatar

Basic bitch mistake - confusing an anti-mandate stance with an anti-vaxx stance

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I was not confusing the anti-vaxxers with the anti-mandate people. I specifically referred to anti-vaxxers.

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trucker convey is an anti mandate movement so why are you talking about anti vaxx in this comment section?? Also what do you mean it’s not measles it’s not chicken pox? Measles is really bad, chicken pox is not, are you saying COVID is in the middle? And you’re wrong about the vaccine making COVID toothless. Those who were at risk pre vaccine are still at risk and those who were not at risk continue to be not at risk. Your toothless dog analogy is still BBS

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Moose's avatar

They are an anti vaxx group protesting vaccine mandates for border crossings. And yes, reality proves the vaccines protect even the at risk, and everyone else.

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Fail. The protests are against vaccine mandates for border crossings. That's only a problem if you are anti vaxx.

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Eat shit before someone feeds it to you.

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Did anybody see the Ottawa cops tear a 4’10” elderly great grandfather from his car, handcuffing him as he fell to the icy ground? He was arrested for committing the grievous crime of giving a solidarity honk as he drove his tiny heap of crap car past the truckers. This dangerous , seditious traitor spent his life working uncomplainingly as a janitor.

The video has been removed from the internet.

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