Jack, You're delusional if you think only one of the two sides does this all three of these things. While you're at it, add continuous 'bombing and destruction of hospitals and schools' for the last forty years.
Steven, if you think you're going to win sympathy for Israel by spewing the sneering racist vitriol you've posted in this reply thread, you are mistaken.
Sure, dumbass. What value does you making a ridiculous assertion add to anything? That's sadder than pathetic. I hope you're drunk. Otherwise you're just plain retarded
Bravo! Next, he'll respond by saying that the Israelis made the numbers up. Then you can say that if that's true, then all the casualties figures since October 7th are a fraud because they never existed.
netayanhu and company lie like a rug, when convenient. For example, take the Flotilla of 2011 where Israeli navy boarded ships outside of Israeli territory, killed an American and coveniently lied about that the flotilla was bringing in arms while holding the surviors of the Naval attach in communicado for a number of days to set the narrative.Flotilla activists, once released disputed Israeli version and spoke of rough handling by the Navy. for example: https://www.democracynow.org/2010/6/18/headlines/flotilla_survivors_speak_out_at_new_york_event
trust me, as youngster I believed Israel to be a shining beacon of democracy and enlightenment. You have no idea how this current situation is like a knife to my heart.
Continuous? Really, Tim? Any survivors of the Battle of Britain would like to educate you.
To the extent that bombs were dropped near, around, or on hospitals was the extent that Hamas had intentionally placed military targets around or under the hospitals, with dimwitted Nazi apologists like you in mind, who couldn’t connect the dots to see that Hamas bears primary responsibility for any civilian casualties.
Is there any other country or insurgency that deliberately puts its people in harm’s way by the way they locate their military assets? I’ll save you the trouble: No.
If Hamas had the ability, they would kill every Jewish person in israel. Israel has the ability, and they choose not to. That distinction is lost on the pro terrorist crowd.
I have. made that comment in other strings on this subject.
I never get any push back on it, and I never have anyone say, 'damn, you are right about that!, How strange is that.
It is lost on the. pro-terrorist crowd of any stripe, from the oooh the meany IDF ones the poor babies, to the ones that cherry pick the point in history to blame it all on the JUUUS. or the Zionists.
I try to be civil, but it is a chore, and it gets tiresome. I need to keep telling myself that perhaps this one just hasn't thought that through before. . . .
There is ZERO evidence that Hamas beheaded babies, committed rape or tortured anyone on Oct. 7 and yet you continue to perpetuate totally debunked Hasbara. Meanwhile, there is irrefutable evidence that the IOF killed Israeli civilians on Oct. 7 and the recent mass graves are just the latest Israeli committed atrocities. No one is buying the nonsense anymore.
More lies from the Hamas cheerleading section. I don’t know about beheadings, as I have other things to do than to investigate these allegations in detail, but I believe that there are first hand accounts and Hamas video evidence of the rapes and tortures that they performed on or after October 7th. And really what difference does it make how Hamas killed and tortured Israelis(apologies to the bitch witch of Benghazi). You are one sick person.
I am sick for challenging much debunked atrocity propaganda? There is a mountain of video evidence that Israel is killing and torturing Palestinian civilians, and you are name calling and raging at me for speaking the truth.
You are not speaking the truth. If you truly believe that there is "ZERO evidence" that Hamas has raped, tortured, taken young children and elderly Holocaust survivors hostage, and violated every rule of war, including hiding behind schools and hospitals, then you are either willfully ignorant of what occurred on October 7, or you are blinded by your priors. Israel could turn Gaza to dust overnight but has instead sacrificed 400+ soldiers to fight the most absurdly humane war in history.
Absurdly humane? I would say "then you are either willfully ignorant of what occurred on October 7, or you are blinded by your priors' is some serious projection on your part
Arabs are also Semitic, so the phrase "antisemitic" is inaccurate.
Also, how do you know the beliefs of all the protesters?
I support a ceasefire in Gaza, & I am horrified at the carnage and destruction there. I do not hate Jews, or anyone else.
Yes, I know that Hamas committed atrocities on Oct. 7th, but that does not excuse war crimes on the part of Israel. Firing on starving people swarming an aid convoy, then actually bombing aid workers are war crimes, & bombing the Iranian embassy was an act of war. Both sides are behaving badly. Hamas should release all hostages (or their remains) & Israel should stop trying to starve civilians who somehow survived all the bombing.
You seem like a thoughtful person who really wants a good outcome. Hamas uses civilians as shields and steals their aid. How do you think Israel should address Hamas's stated intention to repeat October 7th over and over again?
In the first place, if the Israelis don't want a repeat of Oct. 7th, they might consider paying more attention to warnings from the Egyptians.
I think they should stop killing civilians, stop starving civilians (I watched a video called "Kill Them All," which showed Israeli settlers taking their entire families along with them to block aid to Gaza) & negotiate a peace treaty in which hostages could be exchanged. I also think they should stop treating Gazans like animals, & that Israeli settlers should stop attacking Palestinians elsewhere.
Maybe - but when they’ve been treated as subhumans by a far superior technological state for 75 years who can blame them? Kept in a fucking bird cage.
I have no problem with Israel killing the top of Hamas - those pussies calling shots from outside the region while civilians suffer the consequences of their decisions. 10.07 was an act of war - they’re (Hamas) getting the war they sought. Do they feel powerful now? I’d bet no.
I have a problem with any nation including my own indiscriminately killing civilians. If Hamas is hiding in hospitals - then you send special ops who kill the combatants not level the hospital. How is this not understood?
Israel seems to have adopted Bush’s “shock and awe” approach. Making Israel just as heinous as Hamas in my eyes.
For you die-hards on either side I’d encourage you to get over there and satiate your bloodlust.
Many in Israel now converted to Judaism. Not Jews but lineage. What shocked me is that convicted pedophiles in our country can convert & then claim citizenship in Israel. The settlers whom keep encroaching on what little of land Palestine had left.
Israel actually offered to give Gaza to Egypt, straight up, and the Egyptians were-correctly, imo,-totally hell to the no.
Egypt has been an honest broker in the Israel-Gaza situation, but the bottom line is that Israel has a nest of jihadi rapist-terrorists on it’s border, and until they are eliminated OR handed over/driven out by popular social pressure from the Gaza civilian population, nothing is going to change. How come things have remained-relatively-calm in the West Bank? Maybe the West Bank residents tacitly hate psychotic jihadi rapists too-and aren’t overreacting.
That kind of stuff was happening before Oct. 7th-and I’m not giving the settlers a moral pass.
That said, there is definite not a full blown war/invasion in the West Bank, nor are the Palestinians there acting in a way dramatic enough to demand attention be taken away from Gaza-b/c Hamas is not in control in the West Bank.
Even Iran and Israel seem to have had their face saving tit for tat missile launches and equilibrium, such as it can be over there, has been restored. The jihadi rape attack was a moral line that got crossed-and Israel isn’t quitting.
If you see photos of the civilians you see that they are not starving. Three hundred trucks a day of humanitarian aid is huge amount aid. If they are not getting the aid it’s the fault of the UN and Hamas.
"Under growing international pressure, Israel on Monday said 322 aid trucks were inspected and allowed to enter the heavily bombarded Palestinian territory.
In a statement on X, Israel’s Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT) said 228 of the trucks, which represents 70 percent of the total number, were carrying food.
Al Jazeera monitored some of the trucks going through the southern Rafah crossing with Egypt. Other trucks also went through the Karem Abu Salem crossing, known as Kerem Shalom to Israelis, according to Al Jazeera’s Tarek Abu Azzoum, reporting from Rafah.
He said most of the humanitarian convoys were loaded with water, sugar, flour and other basic necessities.
None of the trucks from the south, however, was allowed to reach the northern part of Gaza, which according to the UN and other humanitarian groups, is facing famine, he added..."
"...UN aid agencies and other humanitarian groups now say Gaza needs at least 500 to 600 trucks of humanitarian aid and commercial goods daily to sustain the dire situation in the besieged territory..."
Yet I've seen video of Israeli government officials promising to block all sorts of aid from Gaza.
I've also seen video of Israeli settlers themselves blocking aid to Gaza. I've seen video of children sobbing after their legs were amputated (often without anesthesia, due to blockades). It's time to negotiate peace, & exchange hostages.
Trump just tweeted the other day that the hostages can’t be returned b/c most of them are dead. I suspect he’s right-but Hamas can’t exactly explain their way out of that….
Sadly, I have concluded that this is one set of semitic socialists against another group of semitic socialists using US money for a gladiator theater. It makes no sense but it's a simple distraction from the election misconduct and the court miscarriage of justice.
so I was right… Israel is an integrated westernized country where they
Live together. The rest of the Middle East is not Israel. So again don’t overlay one country over another. Where are the Jews in the rest of the Middle East? The animosity in the region runs deep.
The events of October 7 perpetrated by Hamas/Gaza absolutely justifies whatever hell Israel rains down on these savages. Couple that with the Arab world threatening to “wipe Israel off the face of the earth” every time they get a chance means Israel has every right to protect themselves as they see fit. “Proportionality?” Bite me.
Where to start. I am Pro-Palestinean, I am not any of the above accusations.
What I am is a Jew who is appalled that Israel is engaging in tactics perfected by the Nazis and banned by the Nueremberg Conventions. I have been an advocate for a 2 state solution since 1982 and as a result, I was harassed and threatened by those who claimed to be the true Zionists. Being a Jewish Pro-Palestinean does not make me antisemetic nor a self hating Jew. Please define Anti-American and Anti-America?
Your comments remind me what anti-Viet Nam war were called back in the day. Guess what, we anti-war folks were correct.
Hamas terrorism and Viet Namn have zero connection.
Your fucking terrorist love buddies have said they will continue the same Oct 7 attacks. So what the fuck does Israel do?
A two state solution does not work when one state is run by an Iran funded terrorist organization committed to constant murder of the citizens of the other state.
And you do appear to be a self-loathing Jew based on your position. I am betting that you support the elimination of Israel.
In future, maybe Israel should heed warnings from its neighbors regarding trouble brewing in Gaza, so that it could better defend itself.
And now you label a Jewish person seeking peace a "self-loathing Jew."
Israel may control both houses of Congress, many US state governors, & the White House for the foreseeable future, but it is losing the public relations war over its treatment of Palestinian civilians.
Warnings from its neighbors --- like, Iran? Yeah. "There's something happening here. But what it is, aint't exactly clear; there's a man with a gun over there . . .' Uh. Sort of, clear.
Please name the "state governors" Israel controls. And yes, Israel controls Sen. (why don't my eyeglasses ever fit) Chuck Schumer. According to Barack's Daily Digest?
Every time a power must defend itself it gets slammed in public opinion because the human animal is dysfunctionally wired toward resentment and envy toward power. Maybe it is evolutionary and some leftover tribal impulses to prevent tyranny. However, it is stupid non-critical thinking... just primitive emotions.
No, it is not "non-critical thinking" at all. It is very critical thinking, considering the history of the region, & atrocities committed by both sides. In this case, the US is broke, Israelis enjoy a higher standard of living than Americans, & I am sick of paying for death & destruction. Let the Israelis finance their own wars.
Israeli treatment of the Gazans & the people of the West Bank is abysmal. Defense does not include starving civilians, depriving medical centers of anesthesia, or slaughtering aid workers.
Why do you think it is Israel's responsibility to care for the Palestinians? Why not all the oil rich Muslim countries?
It is war. It is stupid... non-critical thinking... to expect Israel to provide a humanitarian program while fighting a war against an enemy that is committed to Israel destruction.
And your "slaughtering aid workers" is the most intellectually dishonest spew from you next to the claim of genocide. Get some therapy.
lee levin - The Israelis have tried repeatedly over decades to offer a two-state solution to the Palestinians. The Palestinians have repeatedly rejected every offer and have NO counter-offer except to repeat Palestinian policy that would remove all Israelis from the land they SHARE with Palestinians. And then the Palestinians vote for Hamas (2005) and continue to support Hamas even as Hamas uses Palestinians and homes as shields so that any response by Israel cannot avoid damaging buildings with Palestinians inside.
Clearly the Palestinians have no desire at all for a two-state solution, because all they want is for Israelis to leave the land entirely. This is why so many Israelis have given up on a two-state solution. Why don't YOU describe what you think the Palestinians would agree to?
Oh, and please describe what "tactics perfected by the Nazis and banned by the Nueremberg Conventions" you claim the Israelis are performing? The attack and the horrors committed by Hamas upon civilian Israelis on Oct 7 sound exactly like "tactics perfected by the Nazis and banned by the Nueremberg Conventions." You seem to have gotten a great deal exactly backwards.
Respectfully, any offers were made with strings. When I was young and active in Jewish youth groups, concern was expressed that 'Arab' birthrates were not good for Israel--more of 'them' than 'us' was seen as a major threat. I don't believe Rabin would approve of genocide.
If by Genocide you mean making Hamas gone, then yes. However, that is not really genocide is it? Now, wiping Israel off the map thus causing the death of millions of Israeli Jew... now THAT is genocide. You genocidal creep.
Call me anything you'd like. Be creative. Say it like you mean it. I like to know who I'm talking to. Don't be squeamish about people saying what they think
Zero justification for killing civillians. ZERO. Just as there are zero justifications for killing Israeli civilians. To assume all Palestinians are Hamas lovers is not accurate. The definition of ASSUME is "makes an ass out of you and me". As for wiping Israel off the map, Hamas made it clear many years ago that they will negotiate a treaty enshrining Israel's right to exist. There can be NO pre-conditiions to that negotiation, which is a familiar tactic used by Israeli govenments for decades as a way to block any peace treaty creating a 2 state solution. There can be no pre-conditions when one sits down with one's enemies to get it done.
There were a whole lot of cheering Palestinians on October 7th. Not a whole lot of uniforms on those terrorists that day either. Then they go back and hide in their hospitals, schools, and tunnels. It’s no wonder why no one in the ME wants the Palestinians.
Name a war in history - any war - where "ZERO" civilians were killed. You can't, because civilian casualties are a reality in any war. You attempt to draw a false equivalence. Who started this war by intenionally targeting civilians, including children and the elderly, and taking hundreds of civilian hostages? Who hides below elementary schools and shoots missiles off the roofs of hospitals? Israel has the power to destroy Gaza, including absolute air superiority. Please explain your theory on why the bloodthirsty Jews have chosen to sacrifice hundreds of their sons and daughters in door to door combat instead of bombing Gaza into the stone age. While you're at it, name any other country on Earth who has ever fought a war in such an absurdly humane manner.
Except when Hamas hides under hospitals and behind Palestinians. It's like black on black crime. We only care when the police make a stop of a black person, the person doesn't comply and the black person is injured or killed. We don't seem to care when blacks kill other blacks. Is that how you feel about Hamas hiding behind Palestinians?
Both groups are driven by beliefs in religious bullshit. Nobody supporting either side is correct in this. And we shouldnt be involved. Should never have been involved.
This is our land!
Says who?
This 2000 yr old book of spells and magic potions!
The existence of Jewish kingdoms and Jewish connection to the land now known as Palestine is a HISTORICAL FACT and has NOTHING to do with any religion...
Nobody on either side is correct in this!? So, good on them for barbarity rape/mutilation of women. Bad on Israel for militarily saying, "Never again."
I don't live in Spanish Inquisition times. Not even in Ovens Of Auschwitz times. But I sure as hell live in TikTok times. And anybody who sides with psyopaths who who shared gleefully their atrocities "on-line . . ." You are at the least, incurious. There is no excuse for being historically uninformed. None.
It was written thousands and thousands of years ago.
You can call it "religious bullshit" all you want but only one side of the equation wants to live in peace and allow their neighbors to also live in peace. The other wants to destroy every single Jew, starting in Israel.
Notice how none of the other Arab nations are helping Palestine?
Supernatural connotations aside, ethnic Jews have been continuously living in Israel for thousands of years, and for far longer than ethnic Palestinians.
Except they never found the “tunnels” under the hospitals, Israel is caught in lie after lie. Did the Gazans shot by snipers while trying to get flour have Hamas hiding behind them?
The tunnels have been found, and the stockpiles of weapons under the hospitals. Plus, the UNRWA headquarters has Hamas occupying the basement of the building with its weapons.
Or maybe we care more about what Israel is doing to civilians because we are paying for it. I don't understand why Israel can't finance its own damn wars, since it's a nation of intelligent, well-educated, productive people, who enjoy a higher standard of living than Americans do.
I agree that Hamas fights without honor, targeting civilians & hiding behind civilians. None of this excuses Israel's war crimes.
Define war crimes. Would that include Bush invading Iraq because our "intelligence" found weapons of mass destruction? Would that include Obama killing four Americans in a drone strike in Afghanistan? Would that include Biden allowing 13 of our soldiers to be killed in a failed pull out from Afghanistan because he wouldn't listen to his military leaders?
Things happen in war. There was a cease fire on October 6. Who are the war criminals if one country is abiding by the cease fire and the other is raping, murdering and kidnapping people asleep in their beds or at a music festival?
The only evidence we have for Hamas “hiding behind civilians” is Israel’s word that, whenever they blow up a school, hospital or neighborhood block, “there were definitely terrorists there” - and they just happened to slaughter hundreds of bystanders in the process. It happens so often that if you’re paranoid, you might start to think they’re making it up. There’s also the small matter of the treatment of Palestinians for the last 75 years which lends some credence to the idea that maybe their lives don’t weigh that heavily in the balance, so it’s alright if an accident happens, or maybe a few hundred of them.
Imagine if there was an uprising of a marginalized people in America, say in Harlem in the 1950s, and the police conducted a brutal campaign of suppression which was supposedly targeting the perpetrators, but just happened to kill dozens of bystanders for every “terrorist.” If you had weird ideas about racism, you might think that the deaths of dozens of black people were more acceptable, and therefore people had looser standards about things like collateral damage. I wonder if we’d accept thousands of civilian deaths, no matter how loudly justified, if it was among a population we considered fully human?
There is plenty of evidence that Hamas hides its soldiers and equipment inside hospitals and apartment buildings and schools. Israel's military warns the people ahead of time when they are going to take out a terrorist location.
Israel is only targeting the terrorists, who are run by Iran. There are a million Muslim Arabs who are citizens of Israel and have full rights, including serving in the government. There is absolutely no racism in Israel. They do not want to get rid of them, just the terrorists.
Nobody really wants to address black on black crime in the ghetto forcefully, b/c doing so would lead to dozens of violent confrontations between cops and felons on the level that we saw in Charlotte this week, sadly.
Good point. In Chicago the clergy used to speak out regularly against it. I think they've become exhausted. I told a Chicago Public school admin friend that if they closed the schools for COVID, they'd never get those kids back in school. Crime has gone up because there's no reason to go to school for many of them and because they can't elect a mayor that, despite being the same color/race, gives one crap about them. Brandon Johnson only cares when a cop is deemed on the wrong side. What a sickening situation.
Had Jews during WWII attack German civilians, raped their women, kidnapped their babies?
Is IDF marching into Gaza, rounds up population and ships them to death camps or summarily executes them,?
Or it is more like Arab cowards are hiding behind their women and children, holding Jewish hostages and shooting at soldiers, who are trying to liberate them?
Rikki - The Holocaust WAS an attempt at genocide by Hitler's own words. Hamas, like Hitler, also wishes the total extermination of Jews. Meanwhile Israelis warn Palestinians ahead of time before they attack so the civilians can leave, , take wounded Palestinians into Israeli hospitals for care, are heavily involved in bringing food and medicine into Gaza now, and will be wholly involved in rebuilding Gaza when Hamas is, hopefully, utterly destroyed. Look up the definition of genocide before you make yourself look ignorant.
Rikki - the war would stop IMMEDIATELY if Hamas simply released all the hostages. THIS is why calling Israeli actions "genocide " is ignorant to six decimal places. Why aren't you harrassing Hamas instead of a wounded country that has every reason, and every incentive, to fight back? Just stop.
No, they only want to get the terrorists out. They love Palestinians, as many of them are in fact citizens of Israel (a million Muslims are citizens, many from Palestine) and have full rights.
30,000 civilian deaths within the first few weeks and it’s still at 34,000? Either early reports were exaggerated or new numbers are being suppressed as Israel faces backlash from the international community.
I think both groups are dirt balls - not emotionally invested like some of you here - but the above observation doesn’t add up.
34,000*>1,300
I get it that Hamas demands are unreasonable - there are no good guys here, imo. I just want to quit funding it. WE CANNOT AFFORD IT!
We have Americans sleeping in the streets, a border being manned by the equivalent of Walmart greeters handing out swag bags, & NO MORE $.
How can they keep spending money we don't have? Couldn't they at least print up some money to finance homeless shelters, or a wall at the southern border? No, it all goes for endless wars. I'm sick of the wars.
Maybe they can send their black trans leader to Gaza so Hamas can kill it/him/her? The disconnect between these young socially liberal idiots in our country is astounding.
I assume it’s because they perceive the world in an entirely Marxist manner (oppressed v. oppressor). Palestinians oppressed and Israel oppressors - it’s so simple and cut and dry! /s
Those kind of idiots defaced a Frederick Douglass statue in The Summer of Mostly Peaceful Protests. Those shitheads. To be fair, it is a pretty white sounding name…
Hamas rules and exploits (human shields, diverts funds for relief for arms to attack Israelis) Palestinians for their own benefit and ends, not for the benefit of the common Palestinian.
@ Frank Lee — These are your labels and have nothing to do with reality. Reality is 34,000+ people dead who have had no ability to defend themselves, leave the country, obtain food, clean water, sanitary living conditions, and their aggressors have shown a willingness to destroy, maim, and execute their self-serving assault without compassion or even the slightest degree of ethical behavior.
Israel is a country. A country that hides behind religion to dominate and justify its actions whenever it suits its purposes — like now — and cry foul! and accuse people with a conscience of antisemitism. It’s blatant manipulation. I am not antisemitic or pro-terrorist in any form. I am an American citizen who does not hate her country and wants a permanent ceasefire, no more hospitals in Gaza destroyed, and no more dead children or orphaned children.
WTF. You act like Oct 7 never happened and would not keep happening if Israel did not take steps to stop it.
Hey Palestinians... you elected these Hamas terrorists to murder, rape and kidnap innocent Israeli citizens. You earned what Israel now has to do to defend its people.
And note that no other surrounding Arab countries would allow in any Palestinian refugees. The lie is that they don't want Israel to expel them permanently. The truth is that these Jew-hating Arabs want to sacrifice Palestinians so that there is a good PR campaign against Israel... AND because these Arab states know that the Palestinians are rife with murdering and raping terrorists and don't want them in THEIR country.
Israel is actively participating in the PR campaign against itself with its own actions. It’s much easier to hide shooting unarmed, peaceful protesters than bombing refugee encampments, hospitals, aid workers, and hiding mass graves and the bodies of 15,000 dead children. Ceasefire.
"Israel is a country. A country that hides behind religion to dominate and justify its actions whenever it suits its purposes"
One error: it should of course read: "Iran is a country. A country that hides behind religion to dominate and justify its actions whenever it suits its purposes"
Iran is running the terrorist groups, funding them and providing weapons, and it is the most religiously extremist country in the Middle East by far.
Israel on the other hand is open to people of all religions. There are a million Muslims who are citizens of Israel, with full rights. The Bahai religion began in Iran as believers in all religions. The organization is now headquartered in Israel, because of attacks by the government of Iran.
I’m not an apologist for Iran or the Muslim faith. Israel is the country that has walled off Gaza to the point its’ own ministers have called it an open air prison, stolen land from the Palestinians in the West Bank, “mowed the lawn” killing civilians for decades and now calls anyone who points out these facts antisemitic, implying the only reason there’s an outcry against the ongoing genocide is because they don’t like Jews. It’s an evasion of responsibility.
How can it be genocide when a million Muslims are citizens in Israel, including Palestinians? The Palestinians in Israel are treated better by Israel than the Palestinians in Gaza are treated by Hamas. That means Israel is in no way trying to eliminate Palestinians. It is Hamas that is committing genocide, and they say it: "From the River to the Sea".
Saying “from the river to the sea” isn’t quite the same as the IDF dropping massive amounts of bombs and destroying 70% of the infrastructure of Gaza. There are 34,000 people who might wonder if they’re really treated better by Israel but can’t ask anyone because they’re dead. The Palestinians in the West Bank where there is no Hamas are forced off their land by imported Israeli settlers with the backing of the government. Your reasoning is lost on me.
No, not everyone is pro-Palestinian. This is a ridiculous thing to say.
Palestinians in large numbers voted for Hamas. And they continue to support Hamas in large numbers.
I do not support the Palestinians, and I'm not at all upset to see that there are serious consequences raining down on the Palestinians as a result of the bad decisions of the Palestinian people.
This is one of the problems with the world today -- there can never be adverse consequences.
And that needs to change. People need to suffer for bad decisions, or those bad decisions will continue to pile up in the manner they have been piling up for the past 50 years.
If a lot of Palestinians die as a result of the consequences of their decisions, the Palestinian people who survive, learn and adapt will be better for it in the long run.
See the Japanese, post-1945.
See the Germans, post-1945.
But there is no future for the Palestinian people if they remain on the same path as they are today.
Frank Lee, right out of the gate with a Treason smear.
I don't even like those protesters- they're young, loud, ignorant, and proud of themselves. Some of them may even be as bigoted against Jews as comment thread poster steven koenig is against Arabs. But most of them are just...callow.
Yeah. And do any of them have a job to help pay for their college, or is it all up to us now? They aren't responsible so now they can unleash their continued childishness on the rest of us? And by the way, if more was expected/demanded of them, they may very well answer the call. But they are spoiled brats. Wearing masks, beating on frying pans, making demands on all of us ---- AND THEY WILL NEVER BE SATISFIED! Over something they have no idea about. It is unbelievable. It's not even, life.
Just don't say All Lives Matter. That's........ just wrong.
ps Guess I should qualify and say that was sarcasm. Unusually hostile folks here today. I think someone called me chuddery for for being in Matt's readership.
Much of the world is “anti America” if you’re paying attention. Look at BRICS. Does no one hear remember when in 2021 Israel took out several towers in Gaza city including the news tower with AP, AlJezeera journalists for no legit reason. And now allow no outside journalists in the country.
Covid led me to the truth community where I learned history I was never taught. The high support here for an ethnic cleansing of an ancient culture whose land was taken beginning in the last 1800s in a land grab APPALLING. Watch Grand Theft World for a comprehensive understanding of the history. What shocked me most and well documented; both Hitler & Churchill were part of taking the land. In the 1800’s all Abrahamic faith’s lived together peacefully.
Covid apparently led you to a conspiracy community where you your mind became corrupted with antisemitic propaganda. Did you also "learn" that the Holocaust was a lie?
Yes, there are many in the world that are anti-America as their evil envy burns for it not giving them more and more and more. Only because of US participation in WWII was the Axis defeated. Then the US defeated the USSR and freed billions of Europeans from that misery. The US provided international policing of world for 75 years and it resulted in massive peace and prosperity for billions on the planet. But like all whiners and snibblers, it is never enough.
That is why I am in support of an end to the US funded Global Order. Fuck all those other ungrateful countries... mostly liberal social program sucking old Europe. They can spend 3% of their own GDP to defend themselves. Israel is another matter. They tend to love America and America needs to protect them because of the history of Jew hating in the world.
Zionists weaponizing the Holocaust finds me fearing for my Jewish friends.
Actually the Russians did more than the U.S in WWII. We must live with the shame of dropping two nukes on Japan just to make a point. The war was over like it’s been in Ukraine. And don’t start. My father deployed in WWII
We took over Britain’s imperialism and now clearly in the end of the U.S. empire. Does not fill me with joy.
"Everyone is pro-Palestinian," that's why Zionists sat on chairs on a cliff overlooking Gaza to admire its bombing, that's why the IDF has been assassinating Palestinian journalists, that's why the IDF executed hundred of zip-tied people, including children, and buried them in mass graves, that's why 80% of Gaza has been obliterated; that's why all universities have been turned to rubble . . . We have eyes. Stop pretending Zionists are moral and just concede that they're genocidal fascists.
For you, no reports of personal accounts, including taped interviews with former IDF, can be credible if they don’t fit your narrative. You’d have to be a “fantastic moron” to believe what comes out of Israeli leaders mouths or their minions in the mainstream press. Case in point: can you point to one credible source for the “beheaded” or “baked in an oven” babies charges?
The credibility of those claims are easy to accept given the known atrocities of the Hamas terrorists on Oct 7. There is no stretch of the imagination required. They butchered seniors, mothers, babies... raped women.
What don't you understand about the goal of terrorists to do terrible things to cause terror in their victims?
They are worse that animals. They need to be irradicated. And people like you that support them and hate Jews, need to also be held accountable.
The animals are the Israelis. None of your claims are backed by credible reports, and have largely been debunked. All you are doing is parroting Zionist lies from Netanyahu and other human garbage in Israeli government. So far, you have not been able to show the reports.
Are you here just to parrot misinformation? The vast majority of Israelis support Netanyahu’s civilian slaughter and more. Add up the total civilians killed on each side and tell me who targets civilians more?
That press dinner seemed to be almost “all Trump, all the time”. I wish that I could live rent free in my mortgage company’s head like that. The protesters greeting the unlucky attendees are more of the same of the recent college campus protests which include a lot of “I really don’t what I’m protesting about, I’m just pissed off and I need something to bitch about and I’m going to yell and hold my breath until I pass out - and you will listen, respect and agree with and bow to my demands…or else”. It’s all totally organic™️ though, I’m sure. Should be an interesting summer.
Right, maybe they identify as Palestinians. Then they should go ahead and move to Gaza and fight on Hamas’ side. And if they identify as Palestinian women, good luck.
BTW, many of the protesting students receive financial aid. This is my money as I am a taxpayer. I absolutely object for protesting to be done on my dime. No federal grants for schools and no financial aid for students who wish death to America or want Jews moving back to Poland.
I have a stupid question. If the "Drama Club" practiced so hard on the 'Press' girl getting chalked as she put the red face paint on just before she hit the ground, why wouldn't these "actors" go to the "house" of the "people" that just voted on spending for the war machine? The Senate vote was 80-19 and the majority were Ds. I'm guessing after they bailed their comrades out of jail for going to Chucks house they thought the MSM wouldn't press charges? This is the historic version of our Hatfields and McCoys and an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind. Get the popcorn ready for Chicago. No Richard J. Daley cops this time.
The protesters yelling at the smug journalists and demanding that they quit their lucrative jobs as state propagandists and the fact of the protesters themselves raising the only voices against Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.
I have a freind married to a Muslim. she posted a pro hamas post from another person I followed that person and the memes posted there were disgusting. one was a lion covered with a Palestine flag holding a rat in its mouth with the star of david pasted on it ..some human being are less than insects
So what? Glenn Greenwald has run video of Israel supporters saying dreadful things about Gazans. There are obnoxious, hate-filled people on both sides.
Watch the video called "Kill Them All," in which Israeli settlers take their young children along with them for a fun family outing blocking aid to Gaza. The title of the video comes from a quote by a little girl. Both sides are teaching their children to hate.
Good collection of videos and they about sum the situation up. The volume of incoherence and especially annoying vocal fry used by many of them is car battery-on-testicle shock torture to the English language, and nauseating. 101 course on how not to make friends or influence people.
It's as jarring to my ears as, "you know, the upTICK? that happens at partial moMENTS? before they're even DONE?" No not all of that would be intended as questions. But it is a permanent fixture of this generation, we better just get used to it.
I am your simple I am. I would add that I am anti the current Iranian government, but pro the Iranian people. What I wish for most is peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians. Second, I wish for truth. Neither side is providing the truth. In this fog of war, half-truths, and some outright lies, I don't know precisely how to argue for Israel, except for its right to exist. I can argue for a Palestinian state, while criticizing the people for their repeated failures to elect competent leadership, thus assuring their goals will not be realized. No matter how this war ends, the arguments will continue, as truth will not be available.
"Jost also targeted Biden at times, comparing the economy to the president ascending Air Force One’s steps: “It feels like it’s stumbling, but there’s somehow upward progress.”
He left out the press being employed to report the economy/stumbling president, as "transitory" and that we should be ashamed that we can't see how youthful and athletic he is.
I noticed the police were clear that touching people or getting in their personal space is not "protected speech." Just imagine a world where the rules that hold sway for the elites in Washington were applied equally across the country. Hahaha, ridiculous, I know. just kidding.
One upside is that Israel is losing the moral foundation upon which it was founded, ie, the Holocaust.
The savage rhetoric of Netanyahu and his underlings is similar to that of the Nazis and the Israelis don't even try to hide it, it's right out there and people are increasingly repulsed.
The situation raises the question of why the US supports Israel so strongly, since it is difficult to see how the US benefits.
Yeah, I always wonder how we benefit when I hear that Israel is "our greatest ally in the Middle East." What does that mean, exactly? That they take the $4 billion we give them every year without quibbling?
It means, apparently, that Israel is the greatest ally of US politicians seeking campaign cash from the Israel lobby, which doesn't have to register as an agent of a foreign government like lobbying groups for other nations seeking favor from congress.
JFK and RFK tried to change that and look what happened to them.
It's because Israel buys congress with campaign cash, which comes, at least partly, from the billions we give Israel each year. See how incestuous this is?
The "Israel is our ally" argument seems to be based on the notion that Israel somehow insures a steady supply of ME oil.
But how is the goal of keeping the oil pipeline open advanced by our total support for a nation that ME countries detest?
It isn't. Israel is not our friend. Any doubt about that was dispelled in 1967 when Israeli fighters attacked the US Liberty, killing many US sailors.
Hamas is a terrorist organization run by Iran. "Hamas" is not equal to "Palestinians". Many Palestinians are now among the million Muslims who are full citizens of Israel. Israel offers all people full rights. It is the only country in the Middle East where LGBTQ+ people can even live.
What first world country today didn't conquer the territory? Should U.S. give CA and TX back to Mexico? The Dakotas back to Native Americans? At some point you can either accept reality and live in peace or become homicidal maniacs. I mean how many countries get billions in dollars in aid, U.N. schools, etc.
It’s sick and dehumanizing and they clearly have zero respect for the Geneva conventions put in place after WWII. Thankfully the rest of the world agrees that what Israel is doing is evil and in violation of international law which is why the ICC is getting ready to issue a warrant for Netanyahu’s arrest.
This is a small thing, but can you believe or trust someone who uses the non-stick side of their non-stick pan as a drum? If I were to overanalyze this image, I may assume this person has no self-care skills and is a ward of the state or their parent's basement. Turn the pan around maybe?
Question: Do obnoxious protesters who think they’re convincing the public with their thoughtful, civilized approach collect their protesting payments in cash or checks?
well certainly the parents are paying.. food is being delivers daily. .. who is paying for it? do you think the "protesters" are taking time off to go to work? this IS their work and someone is paying for it
There are ads from companies that specialize in ‘rent a protest/protester,’ signage provided ; Soros has been documented to have done this sort of thing before, protesters on video unable to identify what they are protesting, brand new pop-up tents, etc. etc.
Can we stop labeling them "pro-Palestinians". Everyone is pro-Palestinian. What these people are is:
-Pro-Hamas
-Pro-Islamic Terrorism
-Anti-Israel
-Antisemitic
-Anti America
-Anti-American
-Pro-rape
-Pro-infanticide
-Pro-torture
Jack, You're delusional if you think only one of the two sides does this all three of these things. While you're at it, add continuous 'bombing and destruction of hospitals and schools' for the last forty years.
Is that why the population in Gaza tripled during that time?
Do you know anything about population dynamics? That phenom is THE hallmark of a society that is slipping backwards into day to day survival mode.
Okay, Tim. Whatever you say. And here I thought they were purpose-breeding tunnel diggers and rocket porters
Steven, if you think you're going to win sympathy for Israel by spewing the sneering racist vitriol you've posted in this reply thread, you are mistaken.
Kids were and many died. Nobody screams for them.
Steven, is that sarcasm? Hope so. Tim provides an accurate description of the dynamic.
So a population explosion is a tell-tale sign of genocide? Someone check on the Amish, LDS, and Hasids.
Unchecked population growth is an attribute of impoverished nations. This is what was meant.
Turns out, despite various Hebrew folk tales, genocide is HARD.
Genocide not-equal to population explosion. Are you really that dense?
Not allowed to use birth control. Unfortunately, the truth. By Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood extreme.
women not allowed to say no too
Women in Gaza have access to birth control. That said- only if their husbands allow it. It isn't formally prohibited by Hamas, though.
maybe they need a good supply of birth control. oh wait. they dont believe in birth control.
See Dc Reade and Laura Berliner posts. Or google information yourself.
LOL 😂!
Wut???
No will ever mistake you for a pompous ass. Population Dynamics please
So by your 'logic' the holocaust wasn't genocide because look at all the Jewish people still around?
Sure, dumbass. What value does you making a ridiculous assertion add to anything? That's sadder than pathetic. I hope you're drunk. Otherwise you're just plain retarded
You said there was no Palestinian genocide because, look how many you are. I'm just following your line of 'reasoning.'
You have no compelling argument and so you resort to name calling.
Bravo! Next, he'll respond by saying that the Israelis made the numbers up. Then you can say that if that's true, then all the casualties figures since October 7th are a fraud because they never existed.
netayanhu and company lie like a rug, when convenient. For example, take the Flotilla of 2011 where Israeli navy boarded ships outside of Israeli territory, killed an American and coveniently lied about that the flotilla was bringing in arms while holding the surviors of the Naval attach in communicado for a number of days to set the narrative.Flotilla activists, once released disputed Israeli version and spoke of rough handling by the Navy. for example: https://www.democracynow.org/2010/6/18/headlines/flotilla_survivors_speak_out_at_new_york_event
trust me, as youngster I believed Israel to be a shining beacon of democracy and enlightenment. You have no idea how this current situation is like a knife to my heart.
Some working in Israel may have exited. So might just be more concentrated, like in camps. Might be appropriate to call them concentration camps.
Nice deflection.
Steve. This is their solution. Have Israel agree to a ceasefire and then withdraw from Gaza. Hostages? What hostages? Oh yeah just forget about them.
even when you are raped you can still get pregnant
Continuous? Really, Tim? Any survivors of the Battle of Britain would like to educate you.
To the extent that bombs were dropped near, around, or on hospitals was the extent that Hamas had intentionally placed military targets around or under the hospitals, with dimwitted Nazi apologists like you in mind, who couldn’t connect the dots to see that Hamas bears primary responsibility for any civilian casualties.
Is there any other country or insurgency that deliberately puts its people in harm’s way by the way they locate their military assets? I’ll save you the trouble: No.
What a maroon!
If Hamas had the ability, they would kill every Jewish person in israel. Israel has the ability, and they choose not to. That distinction is lost on the pro terrorist crowd.
I have. made that comment in other strings on this subject.
I never get any push back on it, and I never have anyone say, 'damn, you are right about that!, How strange is that.
It is lost on the. pro-terrorist crowd of any stripe, from the oooh the meany IDF ones the poor babies, to the ones that cherry pick the point in history to blame it all on the JUUUS. or the Zionists.
I try to be civil, but it is a chore, and it gets tiresome. I need to keep telling myself that perhaps this one just hasn't thought that through before. . . .
There is ZERO evidence that Hamas beheaded babies, committed rape or tortured anyone on Oct. 7 and yet you continue to perpetuate totally debunked Hasbara. Meanwhile, there is irrefutable evidence that the IOF killed Israeli civilians on Oct. 7 and the recent mass graves are just the latest Israeli committed atrocities. No one is buying the nonsense anymore.
More lies from the Hamas cheerleading section. I don’t know about beheadings, as I have other things to do than to investigate these allegations in detail, but I believe that there are first hand accounts and Hamas video evidence of the rapes and tortures that they performed on or after October 7th. And really what difference does it make how Hamas killed and tortured Israelis(apologies to the bitch witch of Benghazi). You are one sick person.
I am sick for challenging much debunked atrocity propaganda? There is a mountain of video evidence that Israel is killing and torturing Palestinian civilians, and you are name calling and raging at me for speaking the truth.
You are not speaking the truth. If you truly believe that there is "ZERO evidence" that Hamas has raped, tortured, taken young children and elderly Holocaust survivors hostage, and violated every rule of war, including hiding behind schools and hospitals, then you are either willfully ignorant of what occurred on October 7, or you are blinded by your priors. Israel could turn Gaza to dust overnight but has instead sacrificed 400+ soldiers to fight the most absurdly humane war in history.
Absurdly humane? I would say "then you are either willfully ignorant of what occurred on October 7, or you are blinded by your priors' is some serious projection on your part
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paDjsRkhc28
Arabs are also Semitic, so the phrase "antisemitic" is inaccurate.
Also, how do you know the beliefs of all the protesters?
I support a ceasefire in Gaza, & I am horrified at the carnage and destruction there. I do not hate Jews, or anyone else.
Yes, I know that Hamas committed atrocities on Oct. 7th, but that does not excuse war crimes on the part of Israel. Firing on starving people swarming an aid convoy, then actually bombing aid workers are war crimes, & bombing the Iranian embassy was an act of war. Both sides are behaving badly. Hamas should release all hostages (or their remains) & Israel should stop trying to starve civilians who somehow survived all the bombing.
You seem like a thoughtful person who really wants a good outcome. Hamas uses civilians as shields and steals their aid. How do you think Israel should address Hamas's stated intention to repeat October 7th over and over again?
In the first place, if the Israelis don't want a repeat of Oct. 7th, they might consider paying more attention to warnings from the Egyptians.
I think they should stop killing civilians, stop starving civilians (I watched a video called "Kill Them All," which showed Israeli settlers taking their entire families along with them to block aid to Gaza) & negotiate a peace treaty in which hostages could be exchanged. I also think they should stop treating Gazans like animals, & that Israeli settlers should stop attacking Palestinians elsewhere.
And if they did all the things you ask Hamas would still work tirelessly for the complete and total eradication (genocide) of Jews.
Maybe - but when they’ve been treated as subhumans by a far superior technological state for 75 years who can blame them? Kept in a fucking bird cage.
I have no problem with Israel killing the top of Hamas - those pussies calling shots from outside the region while civilians suffer the consequences of their decisions. 10.07 was an act of war - they’re (Hamas) getting the war they sought. Do they feel powerful now? I’d bet no.
I have a problem with any nation including my own indiscriminately killing civilians. If Hamas is hiding in hospitals - then you send special ops who kill the combatants not level the hospital. How is this not understood?
Israel seems to have adopted Bush’s “shock and awe” approach. Making Israel just as heinous as Hamas in my eyes.
For you die-hards on either side I’d encourage you to get over there and satiate your bloodlust.
I don't think either Hamas or the Israeli right wing supports the annihilation of the population of the opposing side.
Both support Ethnic Cleansing- the forced removal of the population of the opposing side from the disputed region.
Hamas has that as a stated goal. You would be hard pressed to find any corollary in Israel.
Many in Israel now converted to Judaism. Not Jews but lineage. What shocked me is that convicted pedophiles in our country can convert & then claim citizenship in Israel. The settlers whom keep encroaching on what little of land Palestine had left.
Israel actually offered to give Gaza to Egypt, straight up, and the Egyptians were-correctly, imo,-totally hell to the no.
Egypt has been an honest broker in the Israel-Gaza situation, but the bottom line is that Israel has a nest of jihadi rapist-terrorists on it’s border, and until they are eliminated OR handed over/driven out by popular social pressure from the Gaza civilian population, nothing is going to change. How come things have remained-relatively-calm in the West Bank? Maybe the West Bank residents tacitly hate psychotic jihadi rapists too-and aren’t overreacting.
Not sure how calm the West Bank is, with Israeli settlers regularly attacking the people who live there: https://www.npr.org/2024/03/23/1236628495/israel-settlers-attack-west-bank-palestinians-settlement-outposts
That kind of stuff was happening before Oct. 7th-and I’m not giving the settlers a moral pass.
That said, there is definite not a full blown war/invasion in the West Bank, nor are the Palestinians there acting in a way dramatic enough to demand attention be taken away from Gaza-b/c Hamas is not in control in the West Bank.
Even Iran and Israel seem to have had their face saving tit for tat missile launches and equilibrium, such as it can be over there, has been restored. The jihadi rape attack was a moral line that got crossed-and Israel isn’t quitting.
War is hell and when one responds to provocation to eliminate the threat is a bitch. Ask the Japanese.
And the dropping of the atomic bombs were a war crime. As was the carpet bombing of Dresden.
If you see photos of the civilians you see that they are not starving. Three hundred trucks a day of humanitarian aid is huge amount aid. If they are not getting the aid it’s the fault of the UN and Hamas.
"Under growing international pressure, Israel on Monday said 322 aid trucks were inspected and allowed to enter the heavily bombarded Palestinian territory.
In a statement on X, Israel’s Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT) said 228 of the trucks, which represents 70 percent of the total number, were carrying food.
Al Jazeera monitored some of the trucks going through the southern Rafah crossing with Egypt. Other trucks also went through the Karem Abu Salem crossing, known as Kerem Shalom to Israelis, according to Al Jazeera’s Tarek Abu Azzoum, reporting from Rafah.
He said most of the humanitarian convoys were loaded with water, sugar, flour and other basic necessities.
None of the trucks from the south, however, was allowed to reach the northern part of Gaza, which according to the UN and other humanitarian groups, is facing famine, he added..."
"...UN aid agencies and other humanitarian groups now say Gaza needs at least 500 to 600 trucks of humanitarian aid and commercial goods daily to sustain the dire situation in the besieged territory..."
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/8/more-than-300-aid-trucks-enter-gaza-as-palestinians-battle-starvation
Yet I've seen video of Israeli government officials promising to block all sorts of aid from Gaza.
I've also seen video of Israeli settlers themselves blocking aid to Gaza. I've seen video of children sobbing after their legs were amputated (often without anesthesia, due to blockades). It's time to negotiate peace, & exchange hostages.
Release the hostages and presto! Peace.
You don’t really believe that will end it, do you?
Trump just tweeted the other day that the hostages can’t be returned b/c most of them are dead. I suspect he’s right-but Hamas can’t exactly explain their way out of that….
You know, you're right.
Recently I saw thousands of them out for a day at the beach.
Yes, I saw that, too.
Hasbara alert!
Sadly, I have concluded that this is one set of semitic socialists against another group of semitic socialists using US money for a gladiator theater. It makes no sense but it's a simple distraction from the election misconduct and the court miscarriage of justice.
The commies are ruining everything, even internecine and genocidal wars.
Why socialists? Where did that come from? Is that just your expletive for everything?
Great point!
Another apologist “Hamas should release all hostages (or their remains)“
wow, aren’t you generous.
Did you know that Hamas are Palestinians.
No, I thought Hamas were all from Norway.
I thought as much.
The Arabs hate the Jews. I grew up in the Middle East and know first hand lol
Riiight. And all black people hate all white people. And all white people are racists. Random extreme exclamations are fun!
I take it you have never been. lol As a rule it is true. Careful not to overlay your country with another. This isn’t the US.
Careful not to make assumptions. I have visited Israel on multiple occasions. That was not my experience, from Jews or Arabs.
But that’s not the point. Even if I had never been, you’re still making ridiculously broad statements that don’t add much.
so I was right… Israel is an integrated westernized country where they
Live together. The rest of the Middle East is not Israel. So again don’t overlay one country over another. Where are the Jews in the rest of the Middle East? The animosity in the region runs deep.
The events of October 7 perpetrated by Hamas/Gaza absolutely justifies whatever hell Israel rains down on these savages. Couple that with the Arab world threatening to “wipe Israel off the face of the earth” every time they get a chance means Israel has every right to protect themselves as they see fit. “Proportionality?” Bite me.
I would call that consequences to their actions period
Where to start. I am Pro-Palestinean, I am not any of the above accusations.
What I am is a Jew who is appalled that Israel is engaging in tactics perfected by the Nazis and banned by the Nueremberg Conventions. I have been an advocate for a 2 state solution since 1982 and as a result, I was harassed and threatened by those who claimed to be the true Zionists. Being a Jewish Pro-Palestinean does not make me antisemetic nor a self hating Jew. Please define Anti-American and Anti-America?
Your comments remind me what anti-Viet Nam war were called back in the day. Guess what, we anti-war folks were correct.
Hamas terrorism and Viet Namn have zero connection.
Your fucking terrorist love buddies have said they will continue the same Oct 7 attacks. So what the fuck does Israel do?
A two state solution does not work when one state is run by an Iran funded terrorist organization committed to constant murder of the citizens of the other state.
And you do appear to be a self-loathing Jew based on your position. I am betting that you support the elimination of Israel.
In future, maybe Israel should heed warnings from its neighbors regarding trouble brewing in Gaza, so that it could better defend itself.
And now you label a Jewish person seeking peace a "self-loathing Jew."
Israel may control both houses of Congress, many US state governors, & the White House for the foreseeable future, but it is losing the public relations war over its treatment of Palestinian civilians.
Warnings from its neighbors --- like, Iran? Yeah. "There's something happening here. But what it is, aint't exactly clear; there's a man with a gun over there . . .' Uh. Sort of, clear.
Please name the "state governors" Israel controls. And yes, Israel controls Sen. (why don't my eyeglasses ever fit) Chuck Schumer. According to Barack's Daily Digest?
The warnings came from Egypt, not Iran, & were legit.
Greg Abbott & Kristi Noem. Then you could probably add governors of states that will not do business with any company that boycotts Israel.
Every time a power must defend itself it gets slammed in public opinion because the human animal is dysfunctionally wired toward resentment and envy toward power. Maybe it is evolutionary and some leftover tribal impulses to prevent tyranny. However, it is stupid non-critical thinking... just primitive emotions.
No, it is not "non-critical thinking" at all. It is very critical thinking, considering the history of the region, & atrocities committed by both sides. In this case, the US is broke, Israelis enjoy a higher standard of living than Americans, & I am sick of paying for death & destruction. Let the Israelis finance their own wars.
Israeli treatment of the Gazans & the people of the West Bank is abysmal. Defense does not include starving civilians, depriving medical centers of anesthesia, or slaughtering aid workers.
Why do you think it is Israel's responsibility to care for the Palestinians? Why not all the oil rich Muslim countries?
It is war. It is stupid... non-critical thinking... to expect Israel to provide a humanitarian program while fighting a war against an enemy that is committed to Israel destruction.
And your "slaughtering aid workers" is the most intellectually dishonest spew from you next to the claim of genocide. Get some therapy.
"Israel may control both houses of Congress, many US state governors, & the White House for the foreseeable future"?????
Why then have, for example, the Obama and Biden administrations provided more money and weapons to Iran than to Israel?
lee levin - The Israelis have tried repeatedly over decades to offer a two-state solution to the Palestinians. The Palestinians have repeatedly rejected every offer and have NO counter-offer except to repeat Palestinian policy that would remove all Israelis from the land they SHARE with Palestinians. And then the Palestinians vote for Hamas (2005) and continue to support Hamas even as Hamas uses Palestinians and homes as shields so that any response by Israel cannot avoid damaging buildings with Palestinians inside.
Clearly the Palestinians have no desire at all for a two-state solution, because all they want is for Israelis to leave the land entirely. This is why so many Israelis have given up on a two-state solution. Why don't YOU describe what you think the Palestinians would agree to?
Oh, and please describe what "tactics perfected by the Nazis and banned by the Nueremberg Conventions" you claim the Israelis are performing? The attack and the horrors committed by Hamas upon civilian Israelis on Oct 7 sound exactly like "tactics perfected by the Nazis and banned by the Nueremberg Conventions." You seem to have gotten a great deal exactly backwards.
It's truly a mystery why they won't accept legitimizing foreign invaders who disposed and ethnically cleansed them.
You are right, why doesn’t Israel let Hamas eradicate Israel?
Respectfully, any offers were made with strings. When I was young and active in Jewish youth groups, concern was expressed that 'Arab' birthrates were not good for Israel--more of 'them' than 'us' was seen as a major threat. I don't believe Rabin would approve of genocide.
No, it makes you an apologist for a psychotic death cult period
Remember when mom and dad were full of shit and in the end just told you “this is how it is” when the logic didn’t add up?
That’s you and the media. Accept this genocide that’s just how it is.
Against all war except the current one!
For all human rights initiatives except the current one!
That’s you. Partisan cuck.
If by Genocide you mean making Hamas gone, then yes. However, that is not really genocide is it? Now, wiping Israel off the map thus causing the death of millions of Israeli Jew... now THAT is genocide. You genocidal creep.
Someone who excuses collective punishment against civilians is a textbook creep.
He's a creep. I'm a turd.
Randall, you might want to try de-caf
Which, Steven, may be true. Nonetheless, no name calling. please. Make a point based on fact.
Call me anything you'd like. Be creative. Say it like you mean it. I like to know who I'm talking to. Don't be squeamish about people saying what they think
And creep is his word.
Too bland
Zero justification for killing civillians. ZERO. Just as there are zero justifications for killing Israeli civilians. To assume all Palestinians are Hamas lovers is not accurate. The definition of ASSUME is "makes an ass out of you and me". As for wiping Israel off the map, Hamas made it clear many years ago that they will negotiate a treaty enshrining Israel's right to exist. There can be NO pre-conditiions to that negotiation, which is a familiar tactic used by Israeli govenments for decades as a way to block any peace treaty creating a 2 state solution. There can be no pre-conditions when one sits down with one's enemies to get it done.
There were a whole lot of cheering Palestinians on October 7th. Not a whole lot of uniforms on those terrorists that day either. Then they go back and hide in their hospitals, schools, and tunnels. It’s no wonder why no one in the ME wants the Palestinians.
Name a war in history - any war - where "ZERO" civilians were killed. You can't, because civilian casualties are a reality in any war. You attempt to draw a false equivalence. Who started this war by intenionally targeting civilians, including children and the elderly, and taking hundreds of civilian hostages? Who hides below elementary schools and shoots missiles off the roofs of hospitals? Israel has the power to destroy Gaza, including absolute air superiority. Please explain your theory on why the bloodthirsty Jews have chosen to sacrifice hundreds of their sons and daughters in door to door combat instead of bombing Gaza into the stone age. While you're at it, name any other country on Earth who has ever fought a war in such an absurdly humane manner.
except that there is no genocide...
In their brains if they write it on the board 100 times or say it aloud 100 times, it is reality.
Ah yes, the irrefutable Costanza Corollary.
Mmmhmmm righhht
Was there also no holocaust? Or are we being selective?
Democrats are losing the moral authority and this is why.
Except when Hamas hides under hospitals and behind Palestinians. It's like black on black crime. We only care when the police make a stop of a black person, the person doesn't comply and the black person is injured or killed. We don't seem to care when blacks kill other blacks. Is that how you feel about Hamas hiding behind Palestinians?
Both groups are driven by beliefs in religious bullshit. Nobody supporting either side is correct in this. And we shouldnt be involved. Should never have been involved.
This is our land!
Says who?
This 2000 yr old book of spells and magic potions!
Who wrote it?
We did!
The existence of Jewish kingdoms and Jewish connection to the land now known as Palestine is a HISTORICAL FACT and has NOTHING to do with any religion...
Nobody on either side is correct in this!? So, good on them for barbarity rape/mutilation of women. Bad on Israel for militarily saying, "Never again."
I don't live in Spanish Inquisition times. Not even in Ovens Of Auschwitz times. But I sure as hell live in TikTok times. And anybody who sides with psyopaths who who shared gleefully their atrocities "on-line . . ." You are at the least, incurious. There is no excuse for being historically uninformed. None.
It was written thousands and thousands of years ago.
You can call it "religious bullshit" all you want but only one side of the equation wants to live in peace and allow their neighbors to also live in peace. The other wants to destroy every single Jew, starting in Israel.
Notice how none of the other Arab nations are helping Palestine?
Supernatural connotations aside, ethnic Jews have been continuously living in Israel for thousands of years, and for far longer than ethnic Palestinians.
Except they never found the “tunnels” under the hospitals, Israel is caught in lie after lie. Did the Gazans shot by snipers while trying to get flour have Hamas hiding behind them?
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/20/middleeast/gaza-tunnel-shaft-al-shifa-hospital-intl-hnk/index.html
The tunnels have been found, and the stockpiles of weapons under the hospitals. Plus, the UNRWA headquarters has Hamas occupying the basement of the building with its weapons.
Or maybe we care more about what Israel is doing to civilians because we are paying for it. I don't understand why Israel can't finance its own damn wars, since it's a nation of intelligent, well-educated, productive people, who enjoy a higher standard of living than Americans do.
I agree that Hamas fights without honor, targeting civilians & hiding behind civilians. None of this excuses Israel's war crimes.
Define war crimes. Would that include Bush invading Iraq because our "intelligence" found weapons of mass destruction? Would that include Obama killing four Americans in a drone strike in Afghanistan? Would that include Biden allowing 13 of our soldiers to be killed in a failed pull out from Afghanistan because he wouldn't listen to his military leaders?
Things happen in war. There was a cease fire on October 6. Who are the war criminals if one country is abiding by the cease fire and the other is raping, murdering and kidnapping people asleep in their beds or at a music festival?
Let's start dealing in actual facts, not emotion.
The only evidence we have for Hamas “hiding behind civilians” is Israel’s word that, whenever they blow up a school, hospital or neighborhood block, “there were definitely terrorists there” - and they just happened to slaughter hundreds of bystanders in the process. It happens so often that if you’re paranoid, you might start to think they’re making it up. There’s also the small matter of the treatment of Palestinians for the last 75 years which lends some credence to the idea that maybe their lives don’t weigh that heavily in the balance, so it’s alright if an accident happens, or maybe a few hundred of them.
Imagine if there was an uprising of a marginalized people in America, say in Harlem in the 1950s, and the police conducted a brutal campaign of suppression which was supposedly targeting the perpetrators, but just happened to kill dozens of bystanders for every “terrorist.” If you had weird ideas about racism, you might think that the deaths of dozens of black people were more acceptable, and therefore people had looser standards about things like collateral damage. I wonder if we’d accept thousands of civilian deaths, no matter how loudly justified, if it was among a population we considered fully human?
https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2024/0314/Hamas-gambled-with-our-lives-Gazans-are-now-daring-to-speak-out
There is plenty of evidence that Hamas hides its soldiers and equipment inside hospitals and apartment buildings and schools. Israel's military warns the people ahead of time when they are going to take out a terrorist location.
Israel is only targeting the terrorists, who are run by Iran. There are a million Muslim Arabs who are citizens of Israel and have full rights, including serving in the government. There is absolutely no racism in Israel. They do not want to get rid of them, just the terrorists.
Nobody really wants to address black on black crime in the ghetto forcefully, b/c doing so would lead to dozens of violent confrontations between cops and felons on the level that we saw in Charlotte this week, sadly.
Good point. In Chicago the clergy used to speak out regularly against it. I think they've become exhausted. I told a Chicago Public school admin friend that if they closed the schools for COVID, they'd never get those kids back in school. Crime has gone up because there's no reason to go to school for many of them and because they can't elect a mayor that, despite being the same color/race, gives one crap about them. Brandon Johnson only cares when a cop is deemed on the wrong side. What a sickening situation.
Had Jews during WWII attack German civilians, raped their women, kidnapped their babies?
Is IDF marching into Gaza, rounds up population and ships them to death camps or summarily executes them,?
Or it is more like Arab cowards are hiding behind their women and children, holding Jewish hostages and shooting at soldiers, who are trying to liberate them?
Tell me, moron, which one is it?
It’s both you biased dolt
Rikki - The Holocaust WAS an attempt at genocide by Hitler's own words. Hamas, like Hitler, also wishes the total extermination of Jews. Meanwhile Israelis warn Palestinians ahead of time before they attack so the civilians can leave, , take wounded Palestinians into Israeli hospitals for care, are heavily involved in bringing food and medicine into Gaza now, and will be wholly involved in rebuilding Gaza when Hamas is, hopefully, utterly destroyed. Look up the definition of genocide before you make yourself look ignorant.
And Israel wants the extermination of the Palestinians. I’ll take Israel’s actions as proof.
‘…… but you don’t even know your mind; And you could have a change of heart ….. ‘
Rikki - the war would stop IMMEDIATELY if Hamas simply released all the hostages. THIS is why calling Israeli actions "genocide " is ignorant to six decimal places. Why aren't you harrassing Hamas instead of a wounded country that has every reason, and every incentive, to fight back? Just stop.
No, they only want to get the terrorists out. They love Palestinians, as many of them are in fact citizens of Israel (a million Muslims are citizens, many from Palestine) and have full rights.
Pretzel Logic.
Any major dude will tell you.
Tell me you refuse to accept objective logic without saying it.
That would be your logic, Patrick.
30,000 civilian deaths within the first few weeks and it’s still at 34,000? Either early reports were exaggerated or new numbers are being suppressed as Israel faces backlash from the international community.
I think both groups are dirt balls - not emotionally invested like some of you here - but the above observation doesn’t add up.
34,000*>1,300
I get it that Hamas demands are unreasonable - there are no good guys here, imo. I just want to quit funding it. WE CANNOT AFFORD IT!
I'm with you: I'm tired of paying for this crap.
We have Americans sleeping in the streets, a border being manned by the equivalent of Walmart greeters handing out swag bags, & NO MORE $.
How can they keep spending money we don't have? Couldn't they at least print up some money to finance homeless shelters, or a wall at the southern border? No, it all goes for endless wars. I'm sick of the wars.
Maybe the Universities in NY can host the actual immigrants in their quads? They could at least donate the tents, lemonade from lemons.
Maybe they can send their black trans leader to Gaza so Hamas can kill it/him/her? The disconnect between these young socially liberal idiots in our country is astounding.
I assume it’s because they perceive the world in an entirely Marxist manner (oppressed v. oppressor). Palestinians oppressed and Israel oppressors - it’s so simple and cut and dry! /s
Those kind of idiots defaced a Frederick Douglass statue in The Summer of Mostly Peaceful Protests. Those shitheads. To be fair, it is a pretty white sounding name…
Hamas has acknowledged that some estimates were wrong:
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/04/09/hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry-admits-to-flaws-in-casualty-data/
1. Your logic doesn’t add up.
2. Don’t Lose That Number.
great comment
Yours doesn’t
Please explain.
Hamas rules and exploits (human shields, diverts funds for relief for arms to attack Israelis) Palestinians for their own benefit and ends, not for the benefit of the common Palestinian.
Yes, Palestinians live in and are citizens of Israel.
Israel has negotiated peace with seven Muslim-majority countries, five done by President Trump. They would welcome peace with all of them.
so, we disagree how? perhaps either or both of us has misread the thread?
@ Frank Lee — These are your labels and have nothing to do with reality. Reality is 34,000+ people dead who have had no ability to defend themselves, leave the country, obtain food, clean water, sanitary living conditions, and their aggressors have shown a willingness to destroy, maim, and execute their self-serving assault without compassion or even the slightest degree of ethical behavior.
Israel is a country. A country that hides behind religion to dominate and justify its actions whenever it suits its purposes — like now — and cry foul! and accuse people with a conscience of antisemitism. It’s blatant manipulation. I am not antisemitic or pro-terrorist in any form. I am an American citizen who does not hate her country and wants a permanent ceasefire, no more hospitals in Gaza destroyed, and no more dead children or orphaned children.
WTF. You act like Oct 7 never happened and would not keep happening if Israel did not take steps to stop it.
Hey Palestinians... you elected these Hamas terrorists to murder, rape and kidnap innocent Israeli citizens. You earned what Israel now has to do to defend its people.
And note that no other surrounding Arab countries would allow in any Palestinian refugees. The lie is that they don't want Israel to expel them permanently. The truth is that these Jew-hating Arabs want to sacrifice Palestinians so that there is a good PR campaign against Israel... AND because these Arab states know that the Palestinians are rife with murdering and raping terrorists and don't want them in THEIR country.
Pretending this conflict started with Oct 7 is like pretending the Holocaust started with the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising.
Israel is actively participating in the PR campaign against itself with its own actions. It’s much easier to hide shooting unarmed, peaceful protesters than bombing refugee encampments, hospitals, aid workers, and hiding mass graves and the bodies of 15,000 dead children. Ceasefire.
Why won't the richest countries in the Middle East pony up? Why doesn't Egypt let women and children into Egypt? Hint: ask Jordan.
"Israel is a country. A country that hides behind religion to dominate and justify its actions whenever it suits its purposes"
One error: it should of course read: "Iran is a country. A country that hides behind religion to dominate and justify its actions whenever it suits its purposes"
Iran is running the terrorist groups, funding them and providing weapons, and it is the most religiously extremist country in the Middle East by far.
Israel on the other hand is open to people of all religions. There are a million Muslims who are citizens of Israel, with full rights. The Bahai religion began in Iran as believers in all religions. The organization is now headquartered in Israel, because of attacks by the government of Iran.
I’m not an apologist for Iran or the Muslim faith. Israel is the country that has walled off Gaza to the point its’ own ministers have called it an open air prison, stolen land from the Palestinians in the West Bank, “mowed the lawn” killing civilians for decades and now calls anyone who points out these facts antisemitic, implying the only reason there’s an outcry against the ongoing genocide is because they don’t like Jews. It’s an evasion of responsibility.
How can it be genocide when a million Muslims are citizens in Israel, including Palestinians? The Palestinians in Israel are treated better by Israel than the Palestinians in Gaza are treated by Hamas. That means Israel is in no way trying to eliminate Palestinians. It is Hamas that is committing genocide, and they say it: "From the River to the Sea".
Saying “from the river to the sea” isn’t quite the same as the IDF dropping massive amounts of bombs and destroying 70% of the infrastructure of Gaza. There are 34,000 people who might wonder if they’re really treated better by Israel but can’t ask anyone because they’re dead. The Palestinians in the West Bank where there is no Hamas are forced off their land by imported Israeli settlers with the backing of the government. Your reasoning is lost on me.
If Iran is so "religiously extremist," then how come there are Jews actually living in Iran? Maybe it's Israel that Iran hates, rather than Jews.
No, not everyone is pro-Palestinian. This is a ridiculous thing to say.
Palestinians in large numbers voted for Hamas. And they continue to support Hamas in large numbers.
I do not support the Palestinians, and I'm not at all upset to see that there are serious consequences raining down on the Palestinians as a result of the bad decisions of the Palestinian people.
This is one of the problems with the world today -- there can never be adverse consequences.
And that needs to change. People need to suffer for bad decisions, or those bad decisions will continue to pile up in the manner they have been piling up for the past 50 years.
If a lot of Palestinians die as a result of the consequences of their decisions, the Palestinian people who survive, learn and adapt will be better for it in the long run.
See the Japanese, post-1945.
See the Germans, post-1945.
But there is no future for the Palestinian people if they remain on the same path as they are today.
We could, but then we would also have to start calling everything the left doesn't like Literal Genocide.
Frank Lee, right out of the gate with a Treason smear.
I don't even like those protesters- they're young, loud, ignorant, and proud of themselves. Some of them may even be as bigoted against Jews as comment thread poster steven koenig is against Arabs. But most of them are just...callow.
Yeah. And do any of them have a job to help pay for their college, or is it all up to us now? They aren't responsible so now they can unleash their continued childishness on the rest of us? And by the way, if more was expected/demanded of them, they may very well answer the call. But they are spoiled brats. Wearing masks, beating on frying pans, making demands on all of us ---- AND THEY WILL NEVER BE SATISFIED! Over something they have no idea about. It is unbelievable. It's not even, life.
Just don't say All Lives Matter. That's........ just wrong.
ps Guess I should qualify and say that was sarcasm. Unusually hostile folks here today. I think someone called me chuddery for for being in Matt's readership.
Much of the world is “anti America” if you’re paying attention. Look at BRICS. Does no one hear remember when in 2021 Israel took out several towers in Gaza city including the news tower with AP, AlJezeera journalists for no legit reason. And now allow no outside journalists in the country.
Covid led me to the truth community where I learned history I was never taught. The high support here for an ethnic cleansing of an ancient culture whose land was taken beginning in the last 1800s in a land grab APPALLING. Watch Grand Theft World for a comprehensive understanding of the history. What shocked me most and well documented; both Hitler & Churchill were part of taking the land. In the 1800’s all Abrahamic faith’s lived together peacefully.
Covid apparently led you to a conspiracy community where you your mind became corrupted with antisemitic propaganda. Did you also "learn" that the Holocaust was a lie?
Yes, there are many in the world that are anti-America as their evil envy burns for it not giving them more and more and more. Only because of US participation in WWII was the Axis defeated. Then the US defeated the USSR and freed billions of Europeans from that misery. The US provided international policing of world for 75 years and it resulted in massive peace and prosperity for billions on the planet. But like all whiners and snibblers, it is never enough.
That is why I am in support of an end to the US funded Global Order. Fuck all those other ungrateful countries... mostly liberal social program sucking old Europe. They can spend 3% of their own GDP to defend themselves. Israel is another matter. They tend to love America and America needs to protect them because of the history of Jew hating in the world.
Zionists weaponizing the Holocaust finds me fearing for my Jewish friends.
Actually the Russians did more than the U.S in WWII. We must live with the shame of dropping two nukes on Japan just to make a point. The war was over like it’s been in Ukraine. And don’t start. My father deployed in WWII
We took over Britain’s imperialism and now clearly in the end of the U.S. empire. Does not fill me with joy.
"Everyone is pro-Palestinian," that's why Zionists sat on chairs on a cliff overlooking Gaza to admire its bombing, that's why the IDF has been assassinating Palestinian journalists, that's why the IDF executed hundred of zip-tied people, including children, and buried them in mass graves, that's why 80% of Gaza has been obliterated; that's why all universities have been turned to rubble . . . We have eyes. Stop pretending Zionists are moral and just concede that they're genocidal fascists.
Lies from a terrorist supporter.
For you, no reports of personal accounts, including taped interviews with former IDF, can be credible if they don’t fit your narrative. You’d have to be a “fantastic moron” to believe what comes out of Israeli leaders mouths or their minions in the mainstream press. Case in point: can you point to one credible source for the “beheaded” or “baked in an oven” babies charges?
The credibility of those claims are easy to accept given the known atrocities of the Hamas terrorists on Oct 7. There is no stretch of the imagination required. They butchered seniors, mothers, babies... raped women.
What don't you understand about the goal of terrorists to do terrible things to cause terror in their victims?
They are worse that animals. They need to be irradicated. And people like you that support them and hate Jews, need to also be held accountable.
The animals are the Israelis. None of your claims are backed by credible reports, and have largely been debunked. All you are doing is parroting Zionist lies from Netanyahu and other human garbage in Israeli government. So far, you have not been able to show the reports.
Naomi Klein: We Need an Exodus from Zionism: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/24/zionism-seder-protest-new-york-gaza-israel?CMP=share_btn_url
Everyone is not pro-Palestinian. Especially Israel, who is killing them all.
You mean Iran, of course. Israel has a million Muslim citizens with full rights, and many of them may well have come from Palestine.
I'd bet they're Jets fans too.
Keep going, you'll get to hell soon.
No they surely are not. How revolting these ersatz journalists are.
They must need tons of water at the White House Court Eunuch Correspondent's dinner to hydrate after the vigorous bootlicking.
No doubt.
The glaring difference here.
Hamas-terrorists target killing, raping and taking hostage innocent Israeli citizen Jews.
Israel targets killing Hamas-terrorists.
Israeli citizens by vast majority do not support the Israeli military killing innocent Palestinians.
Palestinians by vast majority support Hamas-terrorists killing innocent Israeli Jews.
Not hard to pick a side, is it?
too bad you're peddling bullshit
One man's bullshit is another man's fertilizer. So many squishy humans out here today
Oh, & you are not? You are pot calling the China black.
Best description I have heard of Oct. 7 was calling it a prison break.
Pretty stupid ‘prisoners’ to run back into the prison. Fool.
There were futile revolts in Auschwitz. Attica was a famous one here. Sometimes you just have no alternative.
Prison revolt doesn’t = prison break, Bennie boy.
The movie ‘The Great Escape’ was about an actual POW Escape that was planned, including detailed planning how to get out of German occupied territory.
That is ONE of the problems with you lefties, you don’t think things through and so they never work out.
October 7th was more like a temper tantrum than a prison break that you make comparison to (or whoever made the comparison.
So correct, but still doesn’t change my point.
You don’t have a point, just propaganda using biblical arguments to justify colonialism and ethnic cleansing.
Uh, no. Pure delusion.
Fighting back against military occupation ≠ terrorists. #TheMoreYouKnow 🌈 ✨
Go to Gaza and see what Hamas thinks of rainbow flag fags. Enjoy the few seconds view on the way down from the highest building in Gaza. Fool.
Name calling -- oh cool, #FakeDoctor
PA MD043511E
Does your boyfriend like that handlebar mustache when you give him a blow job or are you just the fudge packee?
Yep. That’s my understanding.
I never thought I’d see the vicious attacks on Jews in our country. It began in earnest with the 44th president, which was always his intention.
Are you here just to parrot misinformation? The vast majority of Israelis support Netanyahu’s civilian slaughter and more. Add up the total civilians killed on each side and tell me who targets civilians more?
Israel only targets Hamas unless a mistake. And unlike the US government, Israel admits when it makes a mistake.
It's not about targeting. It's about accuracy
Randall, Randall, Randall, you can’t draw that conclusion from the task that you proposed.
You need to take or re-take a course in Logic until you get a passing grade.
That press dinner seemed to be almost “all Trump, all the time”. I wish that I could live rent free in my mortgage company’s head like that. The protesters greeting the unlucky attendees are more of the same of the recent college campus protests which include a lot of “I really don’t what I’m protesting about, I’m just pissed off and I need something to bitch about and I’m going to yell and hold my breath until I pass out - and you will listen, respect and agree with and bow to my demands…or else”. It’s all totally organic™️ though, I’m sure. Should be an interesting summer.
They should be told their cause is just a construct.
Right, maybe they identify as Palestinians. Then they should go ahead and move to Gaza and fight on Hamas’ side. And if they identify as Palestinian women, good luck.
BTW, many of the protesting students receive financial aid. This is my money as I am a taxpayer. I absolutely object for protesting to be done on my dime. No federal grants for schools and no financial aid for students who wish death to America or want Jews moving back to Poland.
I’m beginning to salivate over the thought of these tools doing this to the attendees at the DNC convention.
I have a stupid question. If the "Drama Club" practiced so hard on the 'Press' girl getting chalked as she put the red face paint on just before she hit the ground, why wouldn't these "actors" go to the "house" of the "people" that just voted on spending for the war machine? The Senate vote was 80-19 and the majority were Ds. I'm guessing after they bailed their comrades out of jail for going to Chucks house they thought the MSM wouldn't press charges? This is the historic version of our Hatfields and McCoys and an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind. Get the popcorn ready for Chicago. No Richard J. Daley cops this time.
The protesters are PAID
There's so much to like here.
The protesters yelling at the smug journalists and demanding that they quit their lucrative jobs as state propagandists and the fact of the protesters themselves raising the only voices against Israel's ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.
That's not ethnic cleansing, sorry. It's pest control. You probably practice it in your own home
You are equating human beings with insects.
Look at the bright side, now everybody hates the MSM! Finally, a meeting of the minds. 😝
Some of my best friends are insects
I have a freind married to a Muslim. she posted a pro hamas post from another person I followed that person and the memes posted there were disgusting. one was a lion covered with a Palestine flag holding a rat in its mouth with the star of david pasted on it ..some human being are less than insects
No, no human being is less than an insect.
We all have free will, and we can all choose to do the right thing.
no sense of humor...
So what? Glenn Greenwald has run video of Israel supporters saying dreadful things about Gazans. There are obnoxious, hate-filled people on both sides.
Watch the video called "Kill Them All," in which Israeli settlers take their young children along with them for a fun family outing blocking aid to Gaza. The title of the video comes from a quote by a little girl. Both sides are teaching their children to hate.
I'm just tired of paying for the whole thing.
Why do you think it’s ok to dehumanize other people?
Vile racist turd.
That's cute, Randall. I hope you weren't under the illusion that I would care
Reported.
You must have missed Matt's rules on comments.
Okay. Do I get a report card?
it is called a "reported" card now..
Thanks. I'll update my style book accordingly
to whom? for what?
To the administrator for an extremely offensive comment.
Just wait. I can offend you more than once. Save you some trips to the headmaster's office
Is calling someone an insect worst than calling someone a genocidal maniac?
One cant help but observe of the protestors that what they lack in coherence they make up for in sheer volume.
As Winston Churchill said, "A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject"
Can I “like” that ten times?
One can't help observe you can't spell protesters correctly.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/protester
Note: it allows either, or is it either?
either or
Meanwhile, the campus encampment insanity continues to reach new heights:
https://www.euphoricrecall.net/p/the-lunacy-at-pro-palestine-campus
Good collection of videos and they about sum the situation up. The volume of incoherence and especially annoying vocal fry used by many of them is car battery-on-testicle shock torture to the English language, and nauseating. 101 course on how not to make friends or influence people.
It's as jarring to my ears as, "you know, the upTICK? that happens at partial moMENTS? before they're even DONE?" No not all of that would be intended as questions. But it is a permanent fixture of this generation, we better just get used to it.
I think that 101 course is part of the core curriculum.
I am:
-Pro-Israel
-Pro-Jew
-Pro-Palestinian
-Pro-American
-Pro-America
-Anti-Hamas and Hezbollah Islamic Terrorism Filth.
This is simple.
The Democrats are filled with the exact opposite of this.
I am your simple I am. I would add that I am anti the current Iranian government, but pro the Iranian people. What I wish for most is peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians. Second, I wish for truth. Neither side is providing the truth. In this fog of war, half-truths, and some outright lies, I don't know precisely how to argue for Israel, except for its right to exist. I can argue for a Palestinian state, while criticizing the people for their repeated failures to elect competent leadership, thus assuring their goals will not be realized. No matter how this war ends, the arguments will continue, as truth will not be available.
I am anti-war. That really is the simplest stance to take. No need to be “pro” anything.
"Jost also targeted Biden at times, comparing the economy to the president ascending Air Force One’s steps: “It feels like it’s stumbling, but there’s somehow upward progress.”
He left out the press being employed to report the economy/stumbling president, as "transitory" and that we should be ashamed that we can't see how youthful and athletic he is.
20% decline in the purchasing power of the dollar in the last four years is now upward progress. Let me put that in my Newspeak dictionary.
I am spending $2.09 for an 18-ounce box of shredded wheat bites at Aldi. It was $1.45 at the end of 2020. That is UPWARD!
I noticed the police were clear that touching people or getting in their personal space is not "protected speech." Just imagine a world where the rules that hold sway for the elites in Washington were applied equally across the country. Hahaha, ridiculous, I know. just kidding.
I am saddened by the zionist slant here in the comments.
Innocents being starved and bombed by nuclear powered 'isreal'...against FREEDOM FIGHTERS
Hamas/Palestinians have every goddam right to resist their occupation.
WTF is wrong with people thinking this is OK?
NOT IN MY NAME
One upside is that Israel is losing the moral foundation upon which it was founded, ie, the Holocaust.
The savage rhetoric of Netanyahu and his underlings is similar to that of the Nazis and the Israelis don't even try to hide it, it's right out there and people are increasingly repulsed.
The situation raises the question of why the US supports Israel so strongly, since it is difficult to see how the US benefits.
Yeah, I always wonder how we benefit when I hear that Israel is "our greatest ally in the Middle East." What does that mean, exactly? That they take the $4 billion we give them every year without quibbling?
It means, apparently, that Israel is the greatest ally of US politicians seeking campaign cash from the Israel lobby, which doesn't have to register as an agent of a foreign government like lobbying groups for other nations seeking favor from congress.
JFK and RFK tried to change that and look what happened to them.
Why they aren't zionists considered to be a 'foreign influence' on our government...?
Why is a foreign power allowed to influence our government? Why do we have 'dual citizens' in congress? How is that not illegal?
Remember Bibi addressing congress when Obummer was pres? I was SO OFFENDED and yet, here we are...the United States of Israel!
It's because Israel buys congress with campaign cash, which comes, at least partly, from the billions we give Israel each year. See how incestuous this is?
The "Israel is our ally" argument seems to be based on the notion that Israel somehow insures a steady supply of ME oil.
But how is the goal of keeping the oil pipeline open advanced by our total support for a nation that ME countries detest?
It isn't. Israel is not our friend. Any doubt about that was dispelled in 1967 when Israeli fighters attacked the US Liberty, killing many US sailors.
1957, IIRC
Hamas is a terrorist organization run by Iran. "Hamas" is not equal to "Palestinians". Many Palestinians are now among the million Muslims who are full citizens of Israel. Israel offers all people full rights. It is the only country in the Middle East where LGBTQ+ people can even live.
What first world country today didn't conquer the territory? Should U.S. give CA and TX back to Mexico? The Dakotas back to Native Americans? At some point you can either accept reality and live in peace or become homicidal maniacs. I mean how many countries get billions in dollars in aid, U.N. schools, etc.
It’s sick and dehumanizing and they clearly have zero respect for the Geneva conventions put in place after WWII. Thankfully the rest of the world agrees that what Israel is doing is evil and in violation of international law which is why the ICC is getting ready to issue a warrant for Netanyahu’s arrest.
And Hamas is totally innocent? Does your memory go back 7 months? No, it apparently doesn’t. Put down the bong, girl.
What's wrong? Did Amy fail to preface her condemnation of Israel with the ritualistic condemnation of Hamas atrocities committed on Oct. 7th?
Nothing Hamas did excuses Israel's war crimes.
Jump my back fence and murder my family. There would be a response without boundaries. Period
"war crimes" are Hamas using the Gaza citizens who they are supposed to protect as human shields.
BookWench doesn't spend a lot of time reading widely or thinking; just parroting Hamas and leftist talking points.
Yes, Hamas has committed any number of atrocities.
I do not support Hamas; I support the people of Gaza.
Two things can be true at once, Dr.: both Israel AND Hamas commit atrocities.
I'm tired of paying for both.
& you are giving Hamas a pass for October 7th & their random atrocities before because why? Your answer: ‘They were only killing Jews.’ Leftist Pig.
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I guess this wasn't one election interference concept swirling in the Dem think tank.
Funny post, but even as a card-carrying pessimist, I have some hope for humanity.
Dress rehearsal for the Chicago convention.
"It's gonna be great." #Sideways
A prophecy from the spirit world, Yuri?
Western media reports concerning my supposed death are anti-Soviet lies.
Wouldn't assume they will miss Minneapolis a week earlier.
This is a small thing, but can you believe or trust someone who uses the non-stick side of their non-stick pan as a drum? If I were to overanalyze this image, I may assume this person has no self-care skills and is a ward of the state or their parent's basement. Turn the pan around maybe?
where do they all poop? who provides and pays for the food? simple questions that get no answers..
It doesn't matter where they poop. Their shit doesn't stink
And wasn't the drummer using his flag to beat the drum? Probably actionable in Intifada Land? (Are there lawyers there?)
Aside from less damage to the nonstick, I'm pretty sure you'd get much better resonance.
OH, my DH and I were rolling in laughter over that one too. Non-Stick too!
Question: Do obnoxious protesters who think they’re convincing the public with their thoughtful, civilized approach collect their protesting payments in cash or checks?
Its debit cards or Zelle. Cash and checks are strictly for any boomers.
What proof do you have that the protesters are being paid?
well certainly the parents are paying.. food is being delivers daily. .. who is paying for it? do you think the "protesters" are taking time off to go to work? this IS their work and someone is paying for it
And we are forgiving student debt, right?
They will still be encamped the day voting opens, to harvest those ballots.
My only hope is that they are so into destroying the US of A that voting is beneath them. Keep blowing it up, children! You are so wise.
There are ads from companies that specialize in ‘rent a protest/protester,’ signage provided ; Soros has been documented to have done this sort of thing before, protesters on video unable to identify what they are protesting, brand new pop-up tents, etc. etc.
Good old American entrepreneurialism.
so are the mafia.
Too bad none of the people attending the dinner brought a sign saying “Fuck Off”
Caitlin did a pretty good job..