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Rikki's avatar

Both groups are driven by beliefs in religious bullshit. Nobody supporting either side is correct in this. And we shouldnt be involved. Should never have been involved.

This is our land!

Says who?

This 2000 yr old book of spells and magic potions!

Who wrote it?

We did!

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Sanych's avatar

The existence of Jewish kingdoms and Jewish connection to the land now known as Palestine is a HISTORICAL FACT and has NOTHING to do with any religion...

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Rikki's avatar

ItтАЩs literally the plot to Dune

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Rikki's avatar

Jewish kingdoms and land rights have nothing to do with religion?

Judaism *is* a religion.

The fact a religion claims land rights over another is in fact the problem.

That you use the term тАЬJewish kingdomтАЭ is a problem

What if I said тАЬChristian nationтАЭ? Not the same?

Your comment makes zero sense

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Sanych's avatar

What do we celebrate each Decmeber if not reestablishing of Jewish kingdom 2,200 years ago?

Had not the sign 'King of the Jews' above Jesus' cricifx (wether you believ the story or not) pointed out who lived there?

After Jews were expelled by Roman, Judaism became their country, the force that joined the nation.

Now it is Israel.

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Rikki's avatar

I celebrate two weeks off from work during a great time of year to hunker down with family.

But I assure you - I do not live in a тАЬJewish KingdomтАЭ

Oh fuck - do I?!?!?! Is that what this is all about? Goddamnit.

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madaboutmd's avatar

You're welcome for the two weeks off.

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madaboutmd's avatar

Indeed!

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furies's avatar

these hasbara trolls keep insisting that we equate 'zionism' with 'judaism'

NOPE I oppose the colonial settler bullshit calling itself ZIONISM

notice how many jews are challenging this narrative!!

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madaboutmd's avatar

Again learn your history. They have land. They live on the land. Leave them alone to live on their land. Why canтАЩt Hamas leave the Israelis alone? Oh right, cuz they want them dead.

YouтАЩre the one throwing terms around that donтАЩt reflect reality, history and facts.

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madaboutmd's avatar

https://www.timesofisrael.com/amnestys-israel-chief-criticizes-groups-report-accusing-israel-of-apartheid/

Where are the concerns by Amnesty International for the surprise attack by Hamas in the midst of a cease fire on their Sabbath?

Clearly you're biased and you're finding pieces to support that bias. We can go back and forth. Both should live in peace. Both should live side by side and leave each other alone. Both are responsible to a degree but the aggressor -- that is the first aggressor -- has the greater responsibility to adhere to a cease fire!

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Rikki's avatar

If IтАЩm biased itтАЩs against any conflict based on religious fiction

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madaboutmd's avatar

Both sides in Israel/Palestine are religious.

Are you ok with Russia invading Ukraine and the US funding Ukraine to the tune of billions and billions and billions of dollars? No religion there.

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Rikki's avatar

No religion in Ukraine / Russia?

For fucks sake Matt youтАЩll let anyone in here

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madaboutmd's avatar

You are so obnoxious!

ItтАЩs not a historically religious conflictтАж.its a historically territorial conflict. DonтАЩt be so fucking daft!

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DarkSkyBest's avatar

Nobody on either side is correct in this!? So, good on them for barbarity rape/mutilation of women. Bad on Israel for militarily saying, "Never again."

I don't live in Spanish Inquisition times. Not even in Ovens Of Auschwitz times. But I sure as hell live in TikTok times. And anybody who sides with psyopaths who who shared gleefully their atrocities "on-line . . ." You are at the least, incurious. There is no excuse for being historically uninformed. None.

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Rikki's avatar

ThatтАЩs right. Your mom lied to you.

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madaboutmd's avatar

It was written thousands and thousands of years ago.

You can call it "religious bullshit" all you want but only one side of the equation wants to live in peace and allow their neighbors to also live in peace. The other wants to destroy every single Jew, starting in Israel.

Notice how none of the other Arab nations are helping Palestine?

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Rikki's avatar

IтАЩm sorry but West Bank occupations are not тАЬpeacefulтАЭ.

Nor is any of this, which you presumably support:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/middle-east/israel-and-occupied-palestinian-territories/

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madaboutmd's avatar

Ok, so the first sentence in the overview is how Israel attacked Palestine and the second sentence explains why Israel attacked Palestine? Biased from the first sentence.

The first sentence should actually say, "on October 6, 2023 there was a cease fire between Hamas and Israel." The second sentence should say, "on October 7, 2023 Hamas, a terrorist group, breached that cease fire in an attack on several kibbutz's and a music festival." The third sentence should say, "Israel attacked Gaza in retaliation...."

It's completely disingenuous on every level.

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madaboutmd's avatar

I'll have to look at your link later today but I will remind you that the West Bank is governed by the Palestinian Authority.

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Stxbuck's avatar

Supernatural connotations aside, ethnic Jews have been continuously living in Israel for thousands of years, and for far longer than ethnic Palestinians.

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Rikki's avatar

I mean, if you unquestionably support a 2000 yr old land claim written in a holy book, then I guess you gotta support Putins claim on the Dombas? Was he not doing the same when speaking with Tucker?

Hey have you read Dune?

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