The protests and lawsuits that led to Trump's demands, and Harvard's refusal to accept them as the IRS considers whether to end the school's tax-exempt status
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Claudine Gay still makes a million per year at Harvard. They continue violating federal law with stealth DEI and affirmative action. Time for the $50 billion endowment to pay taxes and cover more of the operating costs of the woke jihad madrassa.
The only Constitutionally acceptable amount of U.S. taxpayer funding for the State of Israel is zero. Its wars and policies are only endangering and harming America's real interests in the world by dragging America into one disastrous war after another. And, by the way, by all legal measure, AIPAC should, at the very least, be required to register as a foreign agent.
More broadly, the State of Israel has interfered more deeply, persistently and destructively in America's politics and elections than any other nation in history and should be accordingly investigated, prosecuted and sanctioned.
Even more broadly, when it comes to antisemitism, it is Zionism and those who defend and enable it who should be held responsible for the current increase in antisemitism, not anti-genocide professors and students at Harvard or elsewhere. If you think that isn't true, watch this video:
Interesting comment? "Dragging America into one disastrous war after another." What wars would those be? "AIPAC should, at the very least, be required to register as a foreign agent." 🤣 AIPAC is NOT foreign, which would seem to be a necessary prerequisite for being a FOREIGN agent. 🤣 AIPAC is one hundred percent American with funding from Americans.
A foreign agent does not have to be a foreign person, only a person who is closely coordinating with and representing the interests of a foreign nation. This almost the exact definition of what AIPAC does. (Payments or other compensation may be involved, but that is not a necessary part of the definition.) AIPAC’s policy is Israel First, no matter the impact on America. Its leaders regularly meet with Israeli government officials to coordinate its lobbying efforts with that of the Israeli government. There is no daylight between AIPAC’s lobbying positions and those of the Israeli state. Can you cite such a divergence?
So you’re a self-loathing Jew. Not new. Invented when the Moors entered Spain and later to survive Los Reyes Catholicos. Now ask yourself how some stranger knows that and you don’t, and you’ll know why siding with Islam is a deeply bad idea, despite your friend’s applause for doing it.
Please save for someone else your presumptuous pop psychology and your spurious historical analysis. You know nothing about me. Or about true Judaism, which has at its core an ethic of human empathy and opposition to injustice. (The opposite of political Zionism and Jewish Supremacy.) If you think opposing the premeditated mass killing and starvation of thousands of innocent civilians (genocide) is siding with Islam, you are blindly misunderstanding what is going on in Gaza or your moral compass and humanity are badly broken. Did you even open the video?
Matt needs to add more to the time line: The Department of Homeland Security is threatening to remove Harvard University‘s ability to enroll foreign students if it does not give the agency information about its “foreign student visa holders’ illegal and violent activities.”
Why does the government have any right to approve potential students?
The school should be able to check its applicants against a list generated by the government, to see whether they're suspected terrorists, but that's it.
We all know they'll be going over everyone's social media posts in search of anything critical of Israel, or supportive of Palestinians. (Notice I wrote "Palestinians," not "Hamas.")
Is there proof the social media vetting has increased? It would be difficult for it to be worse than it was under the Biden administration, where social media posts were blocked and changed at government request on a daily basis. There was clearly covert censorship. Looking at social media posts that may indicate a threat within the United States or to its allies does not seem the same as actually actively changing what can be heard and seen online. Please explain what you mean by increased.
Matt should do a timeline on this including the patriot act, and then spying on Americans private phone calls while the CIA testifies to Congress they’re not, then imprisoning and exiling the whistleblowers (until Trump pardons them), and include his work on Biden era CISA disinformation centers, Twitter files, Stanford, integrity, project, etc…., investigating every American, who was near the capital or spoke to those people using AI, including anyone who bought guns, etc…,Bari Weiss and team investigating the disassembling and defunding of the structures, used to block and change Biden‘s preferred narratives on many topics, HUNTER Biren laptop, Covid, election interference, etc. I guess this last one bothers me a lot more than the government looking at social media posts. It seems like if something like 9/11 were to happen again, and the government hadn’t been looking at foreign a nationals in the country, we would all wonder what they’ve been doing. However, when they begin to influence what Americans are saying on social media the line is definitely crossed from security to control. Hopefully they are indeed defunding those structures, as well as not participating in Biden era censorship.
Your comment and the below reply comments do not jive with the DHS's request. There is such a thing as a Student and Exchange Visitor Program certification (from the gov). Noem said that if Harvard does not provide DHS with Harvard’s information pertaining to illegal and violent activities of its foreign student visa holders it will yank Harvard’s certification.
There are certain requirements for certification holder related to the Fed Gov’s duty to keep Americans safe. The Gov wants their records for only those foreign students that has engaged in illegal and/or violent activities. That’s all.
Harvard has been a Jew hating school for almost 100 years. It brought in Nazis academics in the 1930’s. There is nothing new under the sun.
Not only did O or B not care about national security they went out of their way to sabotage it.
It never dawned on the left that the Civil Rights Act, which Obama used to push the Great Awokening on the institutions could be used by a Republican to undo the Great Awokening.
Whenever libs would say that we should tax the churches because they've become too political, I always wanted to ask how they'd feel about Trump taxing the mosques. Now that he is looking to tax the closest thing they have to a church, I wonder if they'll learn anything about why the exemption existed in the first place (I doubt it).
Explain to me why my tax dollars should be used to subsidize this institution, when my children and grandchildren have absolutely zero chance of attending that school? Why zero chance? Because they are the wrong color, and most importantly, they lack the connections to the elite that drives admissions to that institution.
That's sad but places like Harvard hire and enroll smart people. They conduct research of great value to the United States and train the best and brightest. I hope this explanation suffices for your situation.
Many Universtites do reseach on the same thing. Because another University is researching the same subject does not mean they are being redundant. The atomic bomb took many research labs in different locations working together. Havard has some of the best researchers in the world so they are more likely to be more productive with their research goals.
That would involve looking on the Internet. Universities conduct important scientific research as contractors to the U.S. government, like they did when scientists discovered the atom bomb.
It is the “overhead” charge added to the grants which fund people who do nothing but try to fuck up America for sport. Just end that and it would help.
And btw, they have a $50 billion dollar endowment that grows at a minimum of $5 billion a year. This bullshit about not being able to research because big bad Donald is taking away their dollars (our dollars) makes me want to scream. I’m sick of these Ivys getting our money, charging ridiculous tuition amounts, and having the gall to say their constitutional rights are being infringed upon. Give me a break!
a big scam of the 20th century was convincing the public their child needed to be in an Ivy League school or they were worthless and would fail at life. It sadly worked and still does. When the name of the school became more important than learning the skills needed to pursue your career and life path, it became a money machine and nothing more. Tell your kids to get a trade or go to a local school. Enough of the "big schools" marketing machine. All they want now is money and to get as many of their graduates to vote a certain way
Are you implying that a guy hanging drywall shouldn’t be paying for the educations of the scions of wealthy families? Or that our overlords might pay for their own “elite” institutions? Surely the republic would fall without the Harvard Kennedy School of Public Administration. Can you imagine the havoc that would befall American commerce and technology if it was left to graduates of (ugh) state universities?
What about the 1 trillion+ annually that goes to the defense budget? Is that not also working person's tax dollars? Try not to be distracted by this trivial shit.
Right. $1,800 hammers and $12,000 toilet seats bought by the Pentagon and paid for with 33% of my annual salary is the only thing keeping us safe from... what now?
Well, that’s exactly why we voted for Trump/Doge. Not arguing they spend efficiently. We all know government doesn’t do that, which is why they shouldn’t be doling out money w/o accountability to schools. In fact, the researchers at NIH under Fauci that coordinated vaccine discoveries with big pharma got to keep royalties. Seems to me if we funded the research, we should get to keep those royalties. Or at least a portion.
Well the Trump administration just earmarked another trillion for the Pentagon, and also is sending billions to Israel. So they are just as bad as any other administration. They aren't special!
“ this is just peanuts” argument against cutting wasteful spending is so bizarre. Suppose you have $100 and someone flushes $10 down the toilet. Meanwhile you are in serious debt and are having trouble feeding your own kids. The interest payments on the debt are crippling. Doesn’t every dollar matter?
It makes no sense to fund these institutions with hard earned tax payer dollars consudering we are $36 trillion in debt.
Plus can you imagine if the protestors were harassing black people? Or perhaps trans or gay people? People would have gone to jail for hate crimes. Discrimination is discrimination.
Karabel, a sociologist, draws on extensive archival research to trace the evolution of admissions from the early 20th century to the modern era. A key focus is the discriminatory practices used to limit certain groups, including Jewish students in the 1920s and 1930s, when Harvard and others implemented quotas and subjective criteria like "character" to curb Jewish enrollment.
𝑻𝒉𝒆 𝑪𝒉𝒐𝒔𝒆𝒏 won the 2006 William J. Goode Book Award from the American Sociological Association and is widely regarded as a definitive work on the history of elite university admissions.
Yes, this needed to be pointed out. In a pluralistic nation Harvard, et al have skirted the law probably since the beginning, and they are wont to maintain this practice and ideology. Why don't they just post it across the banner of their website? WE DO NOT TOLERATE THE CHRIST-KILLERS while they don't tolerate Christ either.
Right into the early 1900s they were pretty much anti-anyone that didn't qualify as a WASP, but that's also a lot of institutions and organizations in those days. Irish and Italian immigrants weren't considered as "white" by society in general until some progressives in the early 1900s decided to start lumping them in that category statistically at which point that view began to shift. Kennedy was controversial as the first Irish-Catholic President and that was 1961.
Doesn’t anyone get it, we are complicit at present in a genocide of a people. Speaking against genocide is not antisemitic. It is a moral stance. My family did not escape Nazi Germany with the slogan “never again” to witness this again. Stop playing stupid political games.
Guess what? My relatives didn't survive Buchenwald and pogroms to be harassed, and afraid to have Magen David ripped from their necks and discriminated in both admissions and by terrorist indoctrinated teachers. My father was the first in his family to graduate college, Columbia, and he credited it with changing his life. He dedicated so much of his time and money to that institution and there are scholarships in his name that my brother - another graduate - rightly and proudly maintains. A proud, brilliant pediatrician who firmly believed in the American dream of hard work brings success, he would CRY to see the injustice and Jew hatred accepted across these Ivy League campuses and the tainted admissions and professors who provide precious little "education" these days.
I do not deny that there is antisemitism in practice. It is abhorrent to me. My family’s history is not unlike yours. But because one is discriminated against, denied admission to college, being assaulted by having a Magen David ripped from their neck, this does not in anyway justify or condone the slaughter and killing of tens of thousands of people by warfare and famine. I support speaking against the genocide. The Ivy League schools have very much been discriminatory and in bed with our government. But now again our government is stomping on our First Amendment rights and the outcry against this is justified.
Maybe the vengeful God of the Old Testament needed to be replaced by a more peace loving belief.
For those here that deny a genocide, read the international news. It is now official. And almost every country in the world speaks against this massacre. Of course peace in the Middle East will not come until the Israeli-Palestinian land occupation issues are addressed in a fair way.
And to Israel, "defense" means slaughtering civilians: repeatedly bombing refugee camps, bombing ambulances, bombing aid workers delivering food, IDF snipers targeting women, children, and the elderly, and randomly "mowing the lawn" in Gaza.
Well Bookwench, in truth, none of that would have happened had Hamas not launched its despicable attack.. If you don't want to eat shit, don't start it, right?
Seriously, what would have the Israelis do? Hug it out with Hamas? I would like to hear your approach.
Apparently you know little of Gaza - there are no "refugee camps." They live in building just like the rest of the world. Refugees? 3-5 generations prior possibly. Any of them are called "refugees" solely because UNRWA calls them that. The Hadid models are technically refugees by this insane definition applied only to fakestinians. Hamas uses ambulances to transfer themselves, and has held hostages in hospitals and UNRWA facilities. That is the Hamas strategy. If you care for the Gazans in the least - you would speak out about how Hamas uses them ILLEGALLY as shields and believes that they live only to die for "the cause." BTW- the cause is the destruction of Israel and the murder of all Jews. So please spare us your righteous indignation about Israel defending itself as 59 hostages are still held in terror tunnels being starved by Hamas - who has stolen and live off plenty of food - after over 550 days!
And the Israeli people want all Amalak dead and are set about doing just that. We are all Amalak who are not Jews. The questions that never are brought and never discussed is why?
I wonder why the Israelis aren't exterminating the Palestinians who are citizens of Israel. They are right there at hand and for some reason are left alone. /sarc
This is literal BS spoken by someone who clearly has never been to Israel. Please explain not only the 2m Arab citizens of Israel who have the best life and most opportunity of Arabs in ANY middle eastern country, but have their own political parties in the Congress (Knesset) are Supreme Court judges and doctors. Please. As for the Gazans and those Arabs in Judea and Samaria - who are NOT under Israeli government, if they aren't blowing themselves up or attacking others, they can live just fine. If Israel had desired to kill all of the Arabs in Gaza or elsewhere, it could have been done, American-style, by dropping bombs with little loss of Israeli life. Over 800 young Israeli soldiers - some Arab - have lost their lives fighting boots on the ground - so as to NOT just kill everyone. Pls try to use the brain you were born with.
Trying to use the brain YOU were born with - using mine is just too hard, I fear - I wouldn't point out the youth of isnotreal's soldiers, lest someone point out the staggering ratio of Palestinian kids killed; I might consider that you can use infantry in a region you don't mind bombing into complete rubble (and flatten other regions, which isnotreal has done repeatedly); and I might remember that the USA, a country that has been involved in genocide against Africans, has high court Afro-American judges.
I think I distinctly remember Howard Zinn writing about the second class nature of minorities in the United States, never admitting in modern USA these minorities live better than many first class citizens of other countries. Israel is given tremendous amounts of aid and subsidies fro the US allowing for a pretty good life even if you are an Arab living in Israel. They also have plenty of American military equipment which provides them with massive military strength. I know of many Arab Christians who live in Israel and they paint a different story. There are many African Americans who are Court Judges, doctors, or members of congress yet continue to cry racism is there biggest obstacle to success. The fact remains I may know more about what is going on there than you do otherwise you wouldn't be making this sort of argument that seems like justification for crimes that you do not want others to know about. Therein lies the problem your arrogance and deceit makes you smear me for having another POV.
Kay you should read the story about Amalek in the Bible before defining for everyone who and what Amalek stands for. In that story Amalek is a tribe that attacked the ancient Hebrews from the rear where they kept the women and children to protect them from a head on attack by hostile enemies. When Israelis and Jews in general refer to Amalek this is the story to which they are alluding and it is a good description of what Hamas did on October 7 when they murdered and raped and tortured and burned alive 1200 Israeli civilians including babies and the elderly, and young people who were at a peace rave, and kibbutz members who had employed them and invited them to dinner. All of this was based on the Hamas charter which calls for the extermination of Israel. In doing so they were hoping that Hezbollah wou join in with similar activities in the north and that they would meet in the middle after slaughtering everyone in between. And they would have gotten further and perhaps captured some army bases which was part of their plan had they just quickly dispatched all the helpless people in sight and lingered to mock and torture them. All of this is well documented if you care to look it up. And I must say that as a Jew and the son of Holocaust survivors that I am appalled that so many Gazans have died as collateral damage because Hamas has used them as human shields. Many Israeli soldiers sons and daughters have died trying to avoid such casualties. Doing so is part of the Jewish tradition. It’s called Purity of Arms if you care to look it up. And right now as I write these words Iran which is Hamas’ sponsor is trying to make some atomic bombs which it hopes to deliver to Israel which because of its small size it has often referred to as the one bomb nation.
"Of course peace in the Middle East will not come until the Israeli-Palestinian land occupation issues are addressed in a fair way."
With the Abraham Accords we can see that just isn't true anymore, especially given that the "fair way" to the Palestinians is the rape and massacre of all the Jews.
More propaganda. The wars did not start Oct 2023. There have been atrocities on both sides, but the overwhelming slaughter, displacement and apartheid is by the ultra right Zionists. There are many Jews now leaving Israel because of those policies.
If you do research you will realize that Bibi N. had supported Hamas financially in order to cause a break between Hamas and the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. The backroom shenanigans that most do not realize.
In 2000 at the Camp David Accords with Bill Clinton, Yasser Arafat walked away from the negotiations when he had obtained 95% of the West Bank (Judaea & Samaria). Arafat said a resounding - NO - because he could not get: (1) Palestinian right of return, and (2) Palestinian sovereignty over East Jerusalem (the Western Wall). To Israel, this was not an acceptable concession. I agree. The better answer is the one contained in the initial League of Nations Mandate imposed on the Ottomans after WWI. And that was to call current day Jordan, Arab Palestine. Because of what happened on 10/7, Israel will never agree to a two-state solution that gives Palestinians a layup into Tel Aviv or any other city in the Israeli interior. Will not happen.
Yes, the God of the Old Testament should encourage Israelis to just roll over and peacefully allow Iran and its proxies to clear Jews from the river to the sea. That will solve the problem, no more genocide in Gaza.
They will not be solved until Palestinians accept the legitimacy of Israel’s existence. On the West Bank and in Gaza decent people are too scared be moderates. And Dirty Jews seem to be the first words children learn. All these H groups are a criminal enterprises and terrorists.
One side takes you away and returns your dead body to your family when you say anything counter to them. The other side has opposition parties that say counter things all the time. Including citizens who protest the war against Hamas. They are not rounded up, beaten to death, and returned to their families because they are Israelis, not Palestinians.
Michael Green, gotta say that your comments make me better understand how so many American Jews stood by passively as European Jewry was virtually wiped out in the Holocaust. The long distance from the horror made it seem abstract, almost as if it wasn't happening. But the Holocaust did happen, as did Oct 7.
Had Hamas (A) not attacked on Oct 7 and (B) quickly and unconditionally surrendered after it did, then the horrors you refer to would not have occurred. But why have so few people called for Hamas' surrender? I just don't get it. "Peace" is not possible with an organization and a people totally committed to your destruction.
While there are instances of attacks documented, and instances of heresay, the majority of attacks and loss of privileges and jailing and deportations are against anyone, I mean anyone, speaking up against the genocide and for Palestinian rights, nonviolently. Israel lobby and U.S. government labels anyone doing so as antisemitic and a terrorist. It is like in the 1950’s a unionist speaking up for fair labor laws and labeled a Communist and stripped of rights, beaten and jailed , and sometimes deported. Beware of the power, it can and will kill you for simply expressing thoughts. “Land of the Free?”
Whenever I criticize Israel's slaughter of Palestinians, I am labeled an "antisemite," (though I do not now, and have never hated Jews), or sometimes a "Nazi cunt." I have received replies from people who wish for me to raped and murdered by Hamas, though I have never supported Hamas. I consider Hamas and the IDF to be equally horrific.
My father-in-law was among American troops liberating Buchenwald, and the horror of that camp will never fade. The horror of what was done to Israeli families on Oct 7 including the youngest of children brings tears to my eyes.
Once again We the People find ourselves bitch slapped and held hostage to the self-serving manipulated airball extremes of a captured, distorted and sensationalized American national conversation. This RACKET attempt to truthfully "timeline", clarify and lance yet another pathogenic boil on the ass of human moral reason thunderclaps the importance of supporting truth speakers and recapturing the healthy truth/fact based American reality that will move our Republic toward the prosperity (and sanity) our children deserve. The electronic Tower of Babel celebrity marriage of politics, economics and entertainment is snuff film pornographic. I am, and America is, tired of being jerked off by it. (Taylor Lorenz, as profiled by RACKET earlier this week, is -my opinion- one in a string of the typhoid Mary's that define the vacuous morality of the disease.) Again: The American psyche has been under assault for decades. It's an industry!! Truth is the only antidote to the LIE. It's time to get well!!
Palestine? The Hamas hostages? The Ukranian people? Everything is hostage. The European people are hostage. American education is hostage. American health care and the American economy are hostage. The Fentanyl addicted girl on her knees in an L.A. tent city looking for another fix is hostage. Pitiable poor Joe Biden and his crackhead son are hostage. The people trapped in crime ridden collapse inside gutted American industrial cities are hostage. The world is being held at economic gunpoint. The motivation for the LIE. Creation of cheap, uneducated disposable labor and access to all natural resources for personal exploitation and gain without oversight or accountability. Yep. As at Auschwitz, slave labor. Likewise the reason men, women and children were machine gunned at Ludlow and the Pinkerton's murdered strikers at he Lawrence Bread and Roses strike. Today? Can't bring the people to the concentration camp, bring the concentration camp to the people. The DNC/WEF/EU/CCP Davos crowd and the surveillance bureaucracy that serves it is not your friend.
Recent revelations about the nature of CISA/USAID/NGO money flow (your money) is a pretty good indicator of who is holding the gun. Tired of being bled. Stop bleeding. Dismantle and depart the psyop. What you can't say owns you. The chief tactic of the misandrist/feminist DEI and its primary value to the DNC/Davos juggernaut has been its willingness to destroy lives, attack civil liberties, rewrite history and repress free speech. At core, the emotionally charged chaos of the holocaust, Hamas, Israel, Palestine and hate speech at American universities, for the average American trying to make ends meet in a collapsing economy, like the inner workings of the D.C. hog trough,is just a further obfuscation and mystification of a vital American institution. And again, who is paying for the chaos and obfuscation? WE THE PEOPLE!!
Our Constitution and the truthful light generated by the new American conversation and the truth/fact based reality We the People are building saved our Republic from the tyranny now subsuming Europe. Trump is temporary reprieve not salvation. Don't back down.
Oh please! "I want to talk about the Siani and he wants to talk about Hitler". Anwar Sadat referring to Menachem Begin. Nothing has changed, the narrative is the same. You know, the Amerindians and the Black people have been exterminated right here in the US but somehow they don't get to live at the top of socionomic pyramid. I guess some whining is more important than others!
'the systematic killing of a racial or cultural group' - would you accept that definition?
isnotreal advocates (e.g., in a press conference with the USA president) for complete political ownership of Palestine, and not through diplomacy - the bombing campaign has been massive. isnotreal also blocks aid to its victims and even deliberately bombs known aid workers, and its blockade is starving the victims en masse.
Am I misinformed about any of that? If not, that's genocide, right?
"the systematic killing of a racial or cultural group"--by that definition, the defeat of Germany in World War II was "genocide," what with the fire bombings Dresden, Berlin, etc.
"Genocide" is another term, like "racist," that has lost all meaning due to its cynical use for political ends.
Rounding up everyone who fits the ethnic definition of "unwanted" and killing them. That is what genocide is. For some reason the Israelis are leaving the palestinians who are citizens of Israel untouched, even though they would be pretty easily rounded up.
No, I would not accept 'the systematic killing of a racial or cultural group', but even if I were, what's happening in Gaza does not meet this definition, not even a little bit. No cultural or racial group is being systematically killed in Gaza, no aid workers are being deliberately bombed, no one is being starved. These are simply leftist narratives that are regurgitated by people like you without even understanding what you are saying. What Israel is doing in Gaza is exactly what every nation at war does, and has done. It's exactly what the US does in every military action it engages in. It's called war.
The claim that Gaza hospitals are civilian targets is false, as you know. That's just leftist and Pallywood propaganda. You know as well as I do that hospitals are used by Hamas as military bases. Wikipedia is well-known to be a source of leftist propaganda (see Tracing Woodgrains work on this as well as others) and should not be taken seriously. Human Rights Watch is kind of a joke at this point, I'm not sure why you think their work carries some kind of moral weight. Anybody operating in Gaza is in danger because of Hamas, not Israel.
Again, Israel is conducting this war no differently than any other country has ever conducted any other war. On the other hand, if Palestinians were being killed just because they are Palestinians, then why is the death toll so small, and why aren't Palestinians being bombed in the West Bank?
Your narrative doesn't even include Hamas at all, it's as if they're not even there?
Is there no validity to the ICC, South Africa's case against Israel, war crimes of killing innocent children, targeting hospitals, journalists, and emergency aid workers and using forced starvation against the Palestinians? The court of public opinion appears to be moving away from the Zionists and the unconditional support of the US war machine.
Why do you presume what I know? I do know this: bombing hospitals is illegal, maybe cuz of all the invalids inside. As for my sources, I agree that they're not the best - they're info gatekeepers, I'd say - but are the claims I cited wrong?
No, starvation is not induced en masse in every war. And do you have a source for the death toll? I got the impression it was hard to get a reliable one, cuz of all the destruction. And ofc isnotreal leaves land it currently occupies mostly unbombed.
Why does Hamas matter to the discussion - if no Palestinians fought back, would you admit this offensive is illegal?
Three monkeys syndrome (aka willful ignorance) is not a convincing argument. There are COUNTLESS (not just "leftist") sources of evidence that those events have in fact occurred. Unlike the monkeys, you just have to uncover your eyes and ears to see and hear the truth.
You're either misinformed or dishonest. By your definition, the U.S. practiced genocide in WW II because we killed Germans and Japanese but not Englishmen and Frenchmen. Maybe you think that, but that's not what genocide means to the vast majority of people.
"Genocide" is an evil slander that has no basis in reality.
Killing 50k out of 2 million gets nowhere near any kind of "genocide", there are no mass graves or other mass atrocities that have been the hallmark of past genocides, and this would have to be the only genocide in history that could end immediately if the losers simply surrendered.
Hamas started this war, broke a ceasefire, hides in mosques and hospitals, uses their people as human shields, and explictly states they hope to create as many "martyrs" as possible.
Just because you hate Israel doesn't mean they're committing any kind of "genocide".
Um, your source says that 72% are males as old as 55 and as young as 13! Also, any reader trying to separate facts from allegations would see most of the piece as blatant propaganda, which suits me fine.
Perhaps Hamas uses human shields - idk - but isnotreal bombs just the same. For example, even the West claims that mass graves exist at a hospital isnotreal attacked (and one wonders why some of the bodies lack clothing)!
While "genocide" is an accurate term to use, I find these pro-zionists don't scream quite as loud if you use the term "ethnic cleansing" instead. Interestingly, "holocaust" is another correct term to use.
Perhaps you need to broaden your research into what's really happening over there. One needs not be a pro-Hamas protester to know the reports are pretty one sided in the US. We get a false narrative that it's all Hamas who is wrong. Can you justify the killing of innocent Christians who are not involved?
My research is just fine, and is surely at least as broad as yours. No innocent people should die; their religion is irrelevant. Yet innocent people will always die in war, that's one reason war should be avoided at almost any cost. There was no war on Oct 6, 2023, then the government of Gaza invaded Israel on Oct 7, 2023 and slaughtered more than a thousand Israelis. So now there is a war, at it's not going well for Gaza. That's what's happening.
"then the government of Gaza invaded Israel on Oct 7, 2023 and slaughtered more than a thousand Israelis."
This is the Israeli line, but other Israeli's and news personnel have denied that Hamas killed 1000 Israeli's, in fact many were killed by the IDF. Let's ask the question why this started on Oct 7 to begin with. Why? Israeli provocations towards Palestine? I have read too many accounts that paint a different story about what goes in this part of the world. This time the Goliath is Israel backed by the USA, and the people of Gaza are the David's. Very little American aid goes to help these people in Gaza, but we spend billions in aid to Israel. Why? Why are we even involved. Israel is not an ally nor are they our friend. They are for themselves......period.
Btw - NO ONE is saying anything about speech. Speak all you want - even if it's ill-informed and shows your ignorance. What is happening ISNT speech, its conduct, it's intimidation, it's organized chaos and infringement of civil rights (kids not being allowed to access common spaces, exclusion of classes and actual violence.) schools who fail to protect their students are in violation of Title VI of the civil rights act and those who fail to protect their employees (ie Columbia where janitors where held against their will and assaulted) are in violation of Title VII.
'Pushing' is a very kind, diplomatic word. Perhaps you're blissfully unaware of Arab genocidal ambitions with regards to the Jews, and perhaps you are unaware of Hamas' genocidal ambitions with regards to the Jews. The Hamas charter, Hamas' history, and Hamas' messaging make clear their genocidal goals.
Is it or is it a word that establishes blame? I am very aware of the Hamas enmity towards Israel, but I am also aware of the expansionist policies of the state of Israel and there need to have these people out of the way. so, does the rhetoric of Israel's policies, and their policy messaging backed by Anglo-Zionists and their Talmudic teachings. Who, really are the Amalaks?
Did you just make that up? Israel was given a tiny piece of it's ancestral homeland but agreed to share it with the colonial Arabs. Time and again it's the Arabs who reject peace and kill Jews. Pretty straightforward
I don't need to make up the truth, it's available to anyone who seeks it. ancestral land, please. That is a myth. Perhaps you need some remedial history lessons and broaden your research into finding the truth.
Not a big expert on the subject. But it seems from my history classes that every few years since Israel's founding, all the Arabs would get together and attacked them to try to wipe them off the map. And Israel would simply keep the land after kicking the crap out of them so they had a little buffer. Not really expansionist as I see it.
This Cosmo liar will just claim that you've been misled by Zionist media and that the proper history can be gleaned from PressTV and publications from the Islamic Republic of Iran.
Talmudic teachings? You're not aware of anything, you're an idiot. You've never been to Israel, you don't know any Jews, and your "education" comes entirely from memes on right-wing websites.
Talmudic teachings, please, you're just another brainless jew hater.
Explain to me in words of one syllable how harassment, intimidation, vandalism, and battery directed at one's fellow students who are minding their own business trying to get the education they were promised when they paid their tuition has anything to do with any purported genocide on the other side of the world.
The antisemitism card is being overplayed. Speaking out against genocide or ultra right wing Zionism is not antisemitism. It is as simple as that. Our government is pushing an agenda and we would be wise to see it for what it is.
Who's sharing the information here about schools, police, and zionists physically, politically, and mediawise assaulting PEACEFUL pro-Palestinian protestors? And inciting others to do so.
That is not responsive to what I asked. I asked how one set of students criminally mistreating another in clear violation of every institutional conduct code ever written, including I am sure Harvard's, has anything to do with a distant conflict that does not directly involve either party.
You don't get to punch me in the face because you're mad about that lying sonaofabitch Johnson, in other words. Your boss doesn't get to corner you and yell in your face on your way into the office because he's really pissed at the CFO and he thinks you look like a guy who once maybe took an accounting class. In a decent society this is obvious, is it not?
This guy clearly reads one sided info, never been to the Middle East, isn't learned in history, government nor law, can't think critically to understand the meaning of the words he throws around and isn't worth your time to engage.
No matter how you argue both sides of this to relieve yourself of the responsibility for your personal anti-Semiticism, your own words of disdain towards the "vengeful God of the Old Testament" and the need to replace Him reveal your anti-Semitic stance. You favor abusing (or at least allowing that abuse to go unchecked) Jewish students because they are Zionist, ie, believe in the Hebrew God of the OT and somehow conflate that with the need to hold these students personally responsible for a foreign country's actions and their consequences based on your opinion. Fact check: you are by definition anti-Jewish; you are blaming people of another religion for acts they had nothing to do with per your own religious bias; you fail to see your own hypocrisy in claiming NOT to be anti-Semitic while being anti-Semitic. In other words, having been brainwashed to believe the leftist lies, you gaslight the rest of us with your high flown rhetoric. Please cease and desist. We see you for what you are.
Well, then go search out the genocide where it's actually happening. It's not happening in Gaza. There are many places on the African continent and in China where it IS happening. You're rejection of the God of the Bible is your problem, and you despise the Jews because of their historic connection to God. And now YOU understand what anti-Semiticism is.
It's odd to me that no one at Harvard (or you) is protesting what's happening in China, Sudan, Somalia, or numerous other nations. Why the focus on Palestine, unless is anti-Jew?
Ethnic cleansing, mass slaughter, holocaust, or genocide... no matter what it's called, the RESULT is the same - the MASS MURDER of VASTLY MORE CIVILIANS than actual combatants. So no, that is NOT "war."
Students (and everybody else) have a right to protest and speak up for what they believe. They do not have a right to harass other students, vandalize school property, occupy school buildings, establish encampments, block traffic, etc.
I see that you’re one of those “as a Jew” types flaunting the fact that your ancestors fled Germany to escape the Nazis. If that’s true good for them. Most of my family were not so lucky about ninety percent of them men women and children having been slaughtered by the Nazis and my parents only survived by the skin of their teeth. But coming from that background I don’t presume to be speaking to the world “as a Jew.” I’m sick of that shit! I’m speaking to you as one Jew to another if indeed you are a Jew. How can you be so fucking stupid, so ignorant of the history of the ME conflict and so unnuanced about its nature? That itself is a giveaway of where you’re coming from. I got a Phd from Harvard in the 1970s, it was a great place to be then and given that I was born in a DP camp after WWII I was proud of the accomplishment. I now keep my degree under the bed in the guest room. If you really are Jewish you are completely deracinated from your culture and your tradition and speak only for yourself and stop encouraging the Jew haters of this world.
"How can you be so fucking stupid, so ignorant of the history of the ME conflict and so unnuanced about its nature?" -- The same could be asked of you.
Words have definitions. A fivefold increase in population isn’t a “genocide. War is awful and I truly feel for the civilians caught up in this. It’s tragic. However,their government ( cough cough cough HAMAS ) is entirely responsible for what is happening.
Israel shares responsibility. What you do not say is the Israeli incursion into Palestinian territory, the capture and incarceration of hundreds, if not thousands of Gazans where they are abused. This sort of brutality is why Oct 7 occurred.
I get it, but a lot of people in America simply do not. why? Because they are not being given both sides of the story. How many people here are even aware the IDF murdered eight Red Cross paramedics and five aid workers in Southern Gaza on March 23rd 2025. Each were shot more than 20 times and then buried in a sandpit along with their vehicles. I'm tired of hearing the false stories of Gazan atrocities that have been unproven yet nothing about the atrocities being committed by Israel. We should be ashamed for being complicit in enabling this violence.
You get nothing. Your arrogant assumption that you are more informed than others seems to be untrue. You simply have your own biases that you use to filter information through.
Do you really really believe that if Hamas released the hostages that Israel would stop the mass killing of civilians and forced evacuation of Gazans. I have a bridge in NY to sell you. Israel has already backpedaled on the cease fire agreement to start active hostilities up again.
Maybe, maybe not. But the mere fact that there are hostages still extant puts your claims to rest. And both sides have back peddled on any cease fire. Israel is well within its rights to retaliate for the actions of the Gazans.
But, again, if you don't want war, don't start one.
"Israel is well within its rights to retaliate for the actions of the Gazans." -- And Palestinians are well within their rights to retaliate for the actions of Israel's zionist leadership.
Speaking out on any topic especially if you believe genocide is being committed is your protected right under the first amendment. However students at Harvard give away some of those rights when they agree to adhere to the university code of conduct. They represent the University and as such are held to a higher standard in their behavior. The issue here is that Harvard accepts this conduct because they implicitly agree with the protesters. Had they been shouting “George Floyd deserved it “. Trust me they would not have been protesting for very long
The really weird thing is that students can protest against the US all day long, with no repercussions -- just not against a tiny country on the other side of the world.
Oh, you can protest against Israel, but you cannot deny others the right to walk to campus, to not be chased down and threatened, beaten, held hostage in a class room. You can only do those things after a black man is killed. Then it is OK to kill 37 other black men during your "protests."
And you cannot allow those things to happen on your campus while expecting to receive federal money, at least not a Democrat loses the election.
This is true, but it sounds as if the agent-provocateurs and serial Ruiners-Of-Everything have found new feeding-grounds.
Everything about our common lineage (not to mention well-known psychology, or even just 30 seconds' critical thinking) ought to have made Woke doctrine a non-starter - but when an intellectual-suicide cult that already had a decade to build momentum meets proof of its illegitimacy, does it say "Oh dear, I hadn't thought of that," and vanish in a puff of logic? No, it enters malignant survival-mode and does whatever it can get away with so sustain itself at the expense of EVERYTHING else, incapable of playing nice with the rest of existence...what's terrifying, of course, is it seems that we have not just ONE instance of that, but NUMEROUS. Some parasitic meme that has been allowed to incubate for decades now has metastasized all over the place, and they're fighting each other now.
The world needs more people with this perspective. How are campus protests getting this much vitriol when we’re in the process of destroying an entire people?
Actually much longer than that. All through the ages Jews have been pogrommed - and certainly by Arabs. Hebron 1929 immediately comes to mind. But all through the 1800s and before.
Thank you, Matt Taibbi, for the history of educational institutions being universally granted tax-exempt status as recently as 1986. That seems to me to deserve a fresh look by Congress, especially for private universities. As far as state or municipal taxes go, that can be determined between those entities and the institution.
Some people are expressing concern that research will suffer if federal funding is reduced at an institution like Harvard. I happen to have a doctorate and have a nominal understanding of research in my field, and my perspective is that much of research provides very little value. Wasted money. The big breakthroughs are few and far between. In my opinion, there should be a higher bar for which research gets funded. This would mean fewer jobs in the "research industrial complex", but that is probably necessary, much like the government workforce needed to be downsized.
Can we, the tax payers, have an accounting of all this magnificent research preformed by these schools due to all our generous donations? I’d like to see that documentary ..
I always thought gov provided grants to higher ed institutions for R&D was not only a waste of taxpayer money, but an intrusion into the genius of the free market of ideas and inventions. Instead of allowing graduates to start business to open R&D into the area of their choice and hire other graduates and make money that way, we defaulted to tax payer funding.
Even state-operated Universities suck billions of tax payer $s every year to build government information surveillance platforms and Intel goes to Michigan U and uses its CCP supplied students and staff for the development of election equipment and its spyware like facial recognition. It used to pay private firms, like the one my brother worked at for decades, to design and provide a prototype of whatever the deep state wanted.
The move to university R&D grants started with Sputnik and under JFK and his new NIH and moon endeavor and declined under Reagan, grew under Clinton, Bush and Obama. I think Americans were sold a rotten piece of fish.
“In 2005, the National Academies report, “Rising Above the Gathering Storm,” chronicled the decline in American preeminence in science and technology. The report warned that in a global economy increasingly driven by ideas and innovation, the U.S. must invest strongly in science and education to remain competitive.” I’m calling BS.
Maybe the timeline should have started with the 2023 Supreme Court ruling that Harvard's race-based admissions policies violated the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution. And maybe additional milestones about how Harvard has effectively ignored the SCOTUS ruling through trickery, hair-splitting and outright lies.
I mean, the issue really is - should US taxpayer money really be given to a corrupt, racist institution clearly willing to operate on the fringes of the law in order to foster an unfair, unethical, anti-American social engineering agenda?
One look at the essay questions that Harvard and other institutions employed in the wake of that decision show clear evidence that they actively subverted the SCOTUS decision. Instead of an identity checkbox, they asked students to describe their victiminhood in essay form. These institutions are supposed to detail their foreign contributions but because there has been no enforcement and repercussions for failing to accurately do so - we've allowed all of these institutions to pander to their farthest left constituencies in admissions, hiring, tenure as well as biased non-balanced class choices. We've allowed the left to hollow out education.
There's a lot wrong with the Ivies in general and Harvard, specifically. Funding is highly political. I can think of plenty of better ways to spend a couple of billion in the Boston area - namely on adult literacy programs to ensure kids get the support they need from parents and care givers. Fresh vegetables and fruits are expensive in Boston, especially in the winter. Encouraging local hydroponics and other forms of hands-on science in public schools, community gardens, etc.
Beyond that, the government should stay out of dictating norms at private educational institutions. The last thing we need is the government playing a more active role in education.
Drugs, of course, are the number one problem facing the Boston community. Drug-testing parents at both private and public schools would also be a great idea to discourage poisoning young minds and bodies. Young people paid the biggest price during COVID and funneling 2 billion into the coffers of the most entitled and most exclusive communities while ignoring the plight of the illiterate and unhealthy seems a fantastic waste of cash.
Drug testing parents? What are you, a Democrat? Mind your own business. And yes, Harvard is private so we can withdraw all public funding. They have tons of money and don't need my taxpayer dollars.
Damage done to the children of chemically-dependent parents cuts across class and income. Parents who test positive for illegal drugs would have the opportunity to explain to teachers and other parents why taking drugs has an efficacious impact on their own kids, classrooms, and the community in general.
I spent years in classrooms, including K-12. Children are rarely the authors of their own problems. We're seeing Bobby try to get prescription drugs out of the bodies of kids. That's what MAHA is. Starting adult discussions about how our individual decisions impact the lives of others, especially our kids and the kids of others, is the first step towards building healthier communities.
You want to take drugs, maybe that's your choice. But maybe others don't want their kids to be around you, or your kids. Millions, if not billions, of parents around the globe want their kids growing up in healthy, drug-free environments - that means schools, playgrounds, and public spaces.
The idea that drug-taking is normal, or that children should become sexually active in adolescence, is about as popular as exposing kids to pornography and "my gender is a matter of choice." If you haven't noticed, drugs have almost destroyed the fabric of many parts of America. Cartels control the importation of drugs and sexual slavery in America - I'd have thought that removing the terror of cartels in American cities would be a priority.
Scared to have a conversation? Here's the data on Boston Public Schools.
Boston currently spends more money per student than any district in the US.(1)
The results: Students grades 3-8 meeting or exceeding expectations versus the state average are 10 to 20 points lower. That's more than 70 percent failing to meet expected outcomes.
27 - 39 in English Language Arts.
26 - 41 in Mathematics
22 - 42 in Science/Tech Engineering.
14.2 percent of BPS students are white. (2.)
Nothing I've written includes the word mandatory or must. I'm saying the current conversation about de-funding Harvard is a circle-jerk of virtue signalling across the political spectrum even as lower-income family outcomes are ignored. What options do kids who can't read, can't count, can't do science actually have?
Failing to improve adult literacy rates and remove drugs from our homes and schools - increases the chances that BPS students will end up as addicts, single parents, low-income earners, in prison, homeless, unhealthy, and dead. If money is going to be spent - spend the money wisely. Google Adult literacy K-12 outcomes and find out.
I'd piss in a cup every day for the rest of my life if that's what worked to help these families get half the future the "weep for Harvard" students enjoy.
I'd like to think you and other critics would cheerfully spare a cup or two of piss to help build better communities for these families.
You’re acting as if this some zero-sum solution. It’s not. It’s a trade-off which is quite ripe for abuse at the expense of individual liberty. The road to Hell…
Agreed, but that benefit accrues particularly when compared with fresh vegetables, fruits, picked at a distance and transported. But that's not the only benefit - helping kids grow their own food (at school), or community gardens builds a sense of accomplishment and community. Helps get the kids off their phones, at least for a time. The damage selfish, overly self-indulgent adults have done to kids over the last two decade has yet to be fully measured. We have such an abundance of resources to bring to building healthy communities. What do we have? Record childhood chronic disease, depression, etc, etc, etc.
And some here object to the idea that they might have to account for their own decisions and maybe start modelling adult lifestyles for their kids and others.
My main takeaway from this timeline is how utterly pathetic Harvard is. They are unable to even articulate an understanding of freedom of speech, let alone develop a policy that promotes it, unable and unwilling to protect their students from assault. Their strategy is to simply cave in to each demand, even when the demands of different parties conflict. Everything they've done was wrong, and everything they didn't do was also wrong. Claudine Gay was the perfect representative of this pathetic nature of Harvard, she should never have been fired.
Harvard has been a perfectly oiled machine for many decades, runs on its own, cranking out malcontents, future international players, science deniers, great mathematicians, lawyers adverse to the constitution, and so forth. It is right up there with Johns Hopkins, which happens to keep its head down and its malfeasance hidden away in the dark.
Most of, if not all, Ivy League Universities have subsisted on their self-anointed legacy of being "the best of the best". Their cultured facade began to crack as far back as the 60s. In their march towards DEI, many of their dubious hires started espousing their own personal (and oftentimes, radical) political views with the tacit approval of their respective administrations. Conflict was inevitable. Federal money should never go towards funding a private entity to begin with, and certainly not towards any institution that can't seem to promote thoughtful, civil discourse without the theatrics of mob protests.
"Federal money should never go towards funding a private entity to begin with"
Yes indeed. Off topic: PayPal, Palantir, Facebook, Ebay and more would have one believe that each was built by intrapreneurs with venture capital. No mention that their ideas aligned with a snooping fed that seeded them for their own use.
In the abstract, I can understand why so many internet startups jumped at the chance to gain funding from the people with the money, but they should have been aware that they were, in fact, selling their souls. I don't necessarily blame them. In most cases they were young and not near as sophisticated as they believed themselves to be (an all to frequent result of feigned praise). Even Elon, who is revered in the MAGA movement, has had to cope with the fall out of this dynamic at times. I think that now, many of these "tech entrepreneurs" have started moving in a positive direction, although it's too early to make a considered assessment.
The reason this is such a polarizing issue is that it's ok to say "I hate Jews", as it's protected speech (even though you're a giant asshole) but what is happening is the next step to that - harassment, building take overs, assaults, etc. It's the death of discourse when the other side gets drowned out due to this. There needs to be some push back. Starve them of the money as far as I'm concerned.
Honestly, I don't "HATE' Jews. However, I DO resent the fact that Jewish organizations have used the media, the politicians and a heaping portion of shame/guilt to push for favored status at every turn. I can't say that I blame them after the persecution they have endured, BUT, when is enough, enough? As a Christian, I was taught that the Jews were God's "chosen people". However, I don't think that gives them any right to control the opposition, no matter how much I oppose the shared enemy, with the deceitful and murderous tactics. Muslim extremists have shown that they are not to be trusted, but, by the same token, Jewish extremists have shown a propensity to disregard and label Muslims of any stripe as "terrorists" and anti Semites. The Jews, IMO, have managed to drag the US into the shit, that they instigated (settlements in the West Bank, fuck-off already). Ban AIPAC from political contributions!
Fair enough. You do raise some good points. What I always go back to is - what dignified nation would let bordering (and violent countries that are literally calling for your own genocide) rocket its populace over and over without a counter attack?
I agree with you about AIPAC. There's a lot of facets to this issue (spanning multiple decades) that are hard to work through in a post.
Whwn saying the Trumpistas demands Haavad "Adopt the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition of antisemitism and include examples aligned with the Office of Civil Rights in the Department of Education" abridging free speech", shouldn't mention be made of that definition conflating antisemitism with anti-Zionism?
Apparently you don't know much about Judaism. Zionism is a basic of Jewish thought and law. We are tied to our ancestral homeland. You can say what you want but when you push me off campus because I'm Jewish you are clearly in the wrong.
All of us came from Judea Samaria but were spread over the world when we were expelled twice. The Arabs are only indigenous to Saudi Arabia. They are colonizers elsewhere whereas the Jews are indigenous to what is now Israel as well as parts of Lebanon and Jordan (new states created by Europeans who wanted the oil).
I'm trying to understand the history being discussed: '[Arabs] are colonizers' might suggest that they tried to take over your land - when was that? And since what time are jews indigenous to Palestine?
“Palestine” was the name given to the land of Judea by the conquering Romans. They intended it as an insult. It has nothing to do with the Arabs calling themselves Palestinian today. It later became the name of the British controlled territory, mostly comprising Jordan, after the Ottoman invaders were defeated.
Greeks, actually. The people who Jews called Gentiles were often Hellenic and were hated by the Jews. In the modern age, it was the West that gave us the name Palestine to describe the area of conflict today.
May I suggest reading the 12/02/1948 letter to the NYT signed by Hannah Arendt, Albert Einstein, and a a number of prominent Jews.
Three excerpts from it:
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties."
"The public avowals of Begin's party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future."
AND
"The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism."
Then they really aren't practicing religious Jews, are they? You are merely saying you are not religious. That being said, discriminating against someone because of the religion they practice or do not practice is against the law in this country.
Yes, and if Zionist Jews from Europe push indigenous people of Palestine off their ancestral homeland because they are not Jewish, then they are clearly in the wrong.
Individual conscience and freedom of speech and publication should be protected on college campuses and other public places in America. Fights may break out over hot issues, but if they do, the authorities should discipline impartially according to who did what, not according to who was on what side.
Campus administrators should not be forcing views, values, or tendentious framings on anyone. Zionists should not be required to condemn Israel, and people opposed to the Gaza genocide should not have to condemn so-called "antisemitism."
Certainly no one should be harassed or pushed around if they are not currently taking part in an altercation.
Interesting that last Sunday my pastor was teaching on Joshua 13 and we were looking at maps of the land God gave to the Israelites and the areas given by lot to each of the 12 tribes. Notably, the coastal area from north of Tyre and south to Gaza and a smaller area to the west called Golan were shown as still in Philistine hands. God told Joshua and Joshua told the Israelites that the Philistines must not only be driven out but also annihilated due to their grossly sinful religious practices (child sacrifice being among them). They were an abomination on the land, and that's why they were ordered to be killed. But the Israelites were tired of fighting the war and let those people stay in the land against God's direct orders. And they have been a thorn in Israel's side ever since. As far as I know, Israel has not attempted to drive the current descendants of the Philistines off or out of the land since they are still in Gaza and the Golan Heights. So where's the beef? They still have their land AND they want to agitate and obliterate Israel. By my reckoning they have ancient Israel and current Israel to thank for the land they live on and themselves to thank for their misery because they have chosen to hate Israel more than they love their children. Typical of a society rejected by God.
A lot of ethnic and religious changes have taken place over the past three thousand and some years. Yes, the Philistines stayed in their lands in Gaza and a bit north, though I don't know that they ever reached as far north as Tyre or the Golan. Tyre was Phoenician, and the Golan Heights were probably Aramaean, related to Damascus and inland Syria. The Philistines may have originally been Cretans, or settlers in Crete, who returned or invaded the area during the Late Bronze Age collapse, around 1200 BC. They were a strong, warrior people who fought with the Israelites long after the time of Joshua, and dominated them during the period of Eli and Samuel. Saul fought with them, and David mostly beat them down, though they kept their cities along the coast. They stayed their own people at least down to the time that the Romans took over, and the Romans called the whole area "Palestine" after the Philistines, right next to Egypt on the coast, with whom they were most closely in touch.
Under the Romans, after the time of Jesus, the Judeo-Israelite peoples of Judea revolted a couple of times, were crushed, and had a lot of their leading classes deported. These became the nucleus of the later Jewish people, who lived as cosmopolitan diaspora people from then on, and whose numbers were certainly augmented by converts from the peoples they lived among. The people who were left remained Jews for a while, but many eventually converted to Christianity. Later, in the 630s AD, they were conquered along with the rest of the Middle East by the Arabs, who had just been converted to Islam by Muhammad. Over the following centuries, most of them converted to Islam as well, and adopted the dominant Arabic language.
This was still the situation in the early twentieth century. "Palestine" was the region of the Middle East that roughly corresponded to the area of ancient and modern Israel, including the old Philistine region. Its people were Middle Eastern, spoke Arabic, and were mostly Muslim, some Christian, and a few Jewish. They were probably mainly the descendants of the ancient Canaanites and Israelites, who had always lived in that land.
Meanwhile, in Europe, a Jewish nationalist movement arose, called Zionism. The Zionists, speaking for a 2000-year-old diaspora people who were largely European in descent at this time, argued that the Jews should have a physical country of their own, and that that country should be Palestine, the scene of the ancient Israel of their heroic religious past.
After the Second World War, millions of Jews were left displaced, lost, and traumatized. The Zionists organized many of these to move to Palestine and settle there. They had leverage with the dominant Western powers plus war-fighting experience, and were able to beat the Palestinians and the Arab powers that supported them and establish the country of Israel as a Jewish state.
The Palestinians were mostly pushed off their lands into refugee camps, and into the Gaza Strip. The people of Gaza are not just the descendants of the ancient Philistines, but people who were driven off their ancestral lands from all over Palestine/Israel. The rapid or gradual uprooting and dispossession of Palestinians from their land to give to immigrant Jews has been ongoing since the beginning of the state of Israel. Since Israel is founded as a Jewish state, non-Jewish Palestinians have no rights there. They can be robbed, arrested, or murdered at will by the Israeli government, which serves the interests of Jewish settlers. This is the "beef."
My understanding is that there are many Arabic citizens of Israel and as such they have the same rights as all other Israeli citizens. Your last two sentences don't make any sense. There are Muslim mosques in Israel. "Palestinian" people live and work freely as citizens in Israel, as I understand it.
Zionism is a desire to return to the land of the Bible that God gave them. I understand that for some this is not a religious statement or a statement of faith. Too bad for them. And perhaps it is comparable to gentiles thinking they are Christians just because they aren't Jewish even though they have no saving faith in Jesus Christ - just something to grab onto. God will sort them out in the end as to who is what according to His standard.
Yes well we don't know do we which god will sort things out. Even more, the occupation and genocide are legal issues not religious ones. And it seems the original problem was political.
Yes, there are some Arabic-speaking, Muslim or Christian Palestinian citizens of Israel who do have rights, so you are right to call me on that. I believe these were incorporated in the early years when Jewish immigrants were taking over the land, could not easily get rid of them all, and wanted to put on a face of liberal tolerance so the Zionists could make exactly that argument. As I recall, they make up about 20% of the Israeli population. The Zionists do not want the non-Jewish population to get much over that.
There may be a difference between town people and country people who work the land. The people who have suffered most from the Zionist project to settle a long-settled land with Jews would be the farmers, because it is the land that is to be made all Jewish. Cities can tolerate a few exotic foreigners and even let them be citizens, because they are loose and rootless, and can be expelled at any time by a change of the rules.
Much of what is pre-1967 Israel has already been ethnically cleansed on the land, with that 20% Palestinian citizen minority left over. It's the occupied West Bank, whose people have suffered gradual dispossession in favor of Jewish settlers ever since 1967, and the Gaza Strip, which is hemmed in and whose people have been shot, bombed, and terrorized with impunity for decades by Israel, whose people have no rights under dominance by the Jewish state.
That's a distinction without a difference, an escape clause that allows for anti-Jewish behavior based on a tenet of the Jewish faith. You're saying "I can be anti-Jewish because of the Jews." That is vile and hateful and far worse than the simple word anti-semitic. Zionist is who Jews are because of their religious beliefs. Get over it!
I don’t know what “I can be anti-Jewish because of the Jews” means. I’m not stating my position or arguing. I’m simply pointing out many Jews aren’t Zionists. Many Jews feel no connection to Israel. Many Jews feel criticizing the policies of the Israeli government is fair game, and not anti-semitism. (Bullying and violence are something else completely). Also many Jews disagree on what being Jewish means. Jews are simply not a monolithic block of one opinion or perspective. And let’s not forget Isreali people are not the Israeli govt and vice versa
If I could weaponize my suffering to give me virtuous authority, I would. If I could weaponize the authority of the bible, I would. Alas I can not. All I can weaponize are words.
I hate Israel. So my weapons are aimed accordingly.
Too bad for the Jews that Israel conflates the enemies of Israel as enemies of Judaism.
Contrast to how the US doesn't conflate the enemies of the US as enemies of Christianity.
Alas both countries are otherwise the same, e.g. conflating their enemies as terrorists. You might tell from that that my campaign isn't only against Israel.
I appreciate you admitting that you hate the Jewish state, it is clarifying.
"US doesn't conflate the enemies of the US as enemies of Christianity"
I don't want to play this popular shell game where people claim to hate Israel but not Jews, I'll just say the opponents of the Jewish state utilize double standards against it and seem to have a vehement hatred for it that they have for no other country—also it is quite remarkable that the state set up by history's most despised minority just happens to be the world's most vilified country. Quelle coincidence!
Also, America was not founded as a homeland for Christians (who have many countries), whereas there is one small Jewish state, built by refugees of an actual genocide.
But I'm happy to be corrected and admit I was wrong. Your initial claim was that the kids at Harvard were " weaponiz[ing their] suffering to give [them] virtuous authority", which is pretty cynical and is never said about any other minority. So please tell me, is there any legitimate way Jews can fight back against anti-Semitism? What should they have done differently to not "weaponize their suffering"? Or should they just sit quietly and admit they deserve it?
It would not be coincidence if oppression of a group was used to push people to do something supposedly in favor of that group, or if the 'favor' was something that no other group has (like its own country).
And I can think of another minority who, people think, is weaponizing its suffering for authority - which suggests this has happened many times.
I wholeheartedly agree! Unlike Matt, I don't devote my life to keeping up with the details of every "hot topic". So yes, I appreciate the summarized details.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Claudine Gay still makes a million per year at Harvard. They continue violating federal law with stealth DEI and affirmative action. Time for the $50 billion endowment to pay taxes and cover more of the operating costs of the woke jihad madrassa.
Meanwhile, Columbia has appointed a former CNN propagandist as its new president: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/claire-shipman-columbia-president
The only Constitutionally acceptable amount of taxpayer funding for these institutions is zero, regardless of what ideology they promote.
The Left can only defend Harvard by pretending that billions of tax dollars per year ought to be the default.
The only Constitutionally acceptable amount of U.S. taxpayer funding for the State of Israel is zero. Its wars and policies are only endangering and harming America's real interests in the world by dragging America into one disastrous war after another. And, by the way, by all legal measure, AIPAC should, at the very least, be required to register as a foreign agent.
More broadly, the State of Israel has interfered more deeply, persistently and destructively in America's politics and elections than any other nation in history and should be accordingly investigated, prosecuted and sanctioned.
Even more broadly, when it comes to antisemitism, it is Zionism and those who defend and enable it who should be held responsible for the current increase in antisemitism, not anti-genocide professors and students at Harvard or elsewhere. If you think that isn't true, watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwsKBBFG728
(BTW, do I have to add that I am the direct descendent of Holocaust victims?)
Interesting comment? "Dragging America into one disastrous war after another." What wars would those be? "AIPAC should, at the very least, be required to register as a foreign agent." 🤣 AIPAC is NOT foreign, which would seem to be a necessary prerequisite for being a FOREIGN agent. 🤣 AIPAC is one hundred percent American with funding from Americans.
What wars would those be?
Have you been in a coma since 9/11?
Good grief.
That ISRAEL dragged the US into??
Yes.
A foreign agent does not have to be a foreign person, only a person who is closely coordinating with and representing the interests of a foreign nation. This almost the exact definition of what AIPAC does. (Payments or other compensation may be involved, but that is not a necessary part of the definition.) AIPAC’s policy is Israel First, no matter the impact on America. Its leaders regularly meet with Israeli government officials to coordinate its lobbying efforts with that of the Israeli government. There is no daylight between AIPAC’s lobbying positions and those of the Israeli state. Can you cite such a divergence?
I agree with both JD and Guy.
Well said! And excellent video! I love Katie.
So you’re a self-loathing Jew. Not new. Invented when the Moors entered Spain and later to survive Los Reyes Catholicos. Now ask yourself how some stranger knows that and you don’t, and you’ll know why siding with Islam is a deeply bad idea, despite your friend’s applause for doing it.
Please save for someone else your presumptuous pop psychology and your spurious historical analysis. You know nothing about me. Or about true Judaism, which has at its core an ethic of human empathy and opposition to injustice. (The opposite of political Zionism and Jewish Supremacy.) If you think opposing the premeditated mass killing and starvation of thousands of innocent civilians (genocide) is siding with Islam, you are blindly misunderstanding what is going on in Gaza or your moral compass and humanity are badly broken. Did you even open the video?
Matt needs to add more to the time line: The Department of Homeland Security is threatening to remove Harvard University‘s ability to enroll foreign students if it does not give the agency information about its “foreign student visa holders’ illegal and violent activities.”
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/education/3383169/dhs-harvard-disciplinary-records-or-lose-ability-to-enroll-foreign-students/
This sounds incredibly authoritarian to me.
Why does the government have any right to approve potential students?
The school should be able to check its applicants against a list generated by the government, to see whether they're suspected terrorists, but that's it.
We all know they'll be going over everyone's social media posts in search of anything critical of Israel, or supportive of Palestinians. (Notice I wrote "Palestinians," not "Hamas.")
This is absurd.
“Why does the government have any right to approve potential students?”
I mean, isn’t that what the immigration system is?
Yes, but it should be separate from the university, and I don’t like the idea of scrutinizing everyone’s social media posts, either.
Approval of students should be done by the universities, not the government.
It is separate from the university. They have to get approved by both. And FWIW, the increase in social media vetting is not confined to students.
Is there proof the social media vetting has increased? It would be difficult for it to be worse than it was under the Biden administration, where social media posts were blocked and changed at government request on a daily basis. There was clearly covert censorship. Looking at social media posts that may indicate a threat within the United States or to its allies does not seem the same as actually actively changing what can be heard and seen online. Please explain what you mean by increased.
Matt should do a timeline on this including the patriot act, and then spying on Americans private phone calls while the CIA testifies to Congress they’re not, then imprisoning and exiling the whistleblowers (until Trump pardons them), and include his work on Biden era CISA disinformation centers, Twitter files, Stanford, integrity, project, etc…., investigating every American, who was near the capital or spoke to those people using AI, including anyone who bought guns, etc…,Bari Weiss and team investigating the disassembling and defunding of the structures, used to block and change Biden‘s preferred narratives on many topics, HUNTER Biren laptop, Covid, election interference, etc. I guess this last one bothers me a lot more than the government looking at social media posts. It seems like if something like 9/11 were to happen again, and the government hadn’t been looking at foreign a nationals in the country, we would all wonder what they’ve been doing. However, when they begin to influence what Americans are saying on social media the line is definitely crossed from security to control. Hopefully they are indeed defunding those structures, as well as not participating in Biden era censorship.
Your comment and the below reply comments do not jive with the DHS's request. There is such a thing as a Student and Exchange Visitor Program certification (from the gov). Noem said that if Harvard does not provide DHS with Harvard’s information pertaining to illegal and violent activities of its foreign student visa holders it will yank Harvard’s certification.
There are certain requirements for certification holder related to the Fed Gov’s duty to keep Americans safe. The Gov wants their records for only those foreign students that has engaged in illegal and/or violent activities. That’s all.
Harvard has been a Jew hating school for almost 100 years. It brought in Nazis academics in the 1930’s. There is nothing new under the sun.
Not only did O or B not care about national security they went out of their way to sabotage it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9MAWXaxMb4
It never dawned on the left that the Civil Rights Act, which Obama used to push the Great Awokening on the institutions could be used by a Republican to undo the Great Awokening.
Whenever libs would say that we should tax the churches because they've become too political, I always wanted to ask how they'd feel about Trump taxing the mosques. Now that he is looking to tax the closest thing they have to a church, I wonder if they'll learn anything about why the exemption existed in the first place (I doubt it).
Explain to me why my tax dollars should be used to subsidize this institution, when my children and grandchildren have absolutely zero chance of attending that school? Why zero chance? Because they are the wrong color, and most importantly, they lack the connections to the elite that drives admissions to that institution.
That's sad but places like Harvard hire and enroll smart people. They conduct research of great value to the United States and train the best and brightest. I hope this explanation suffices for your situation.
I agree, but they allegedly do some important scientific research, financed by us.
What 'important' scientific research do they do, that isn't being done elsewhere?
Many Universtites do reseach on the same thing. Because another University is researching the same subject does not mean they are being redundant. The atomic bomb took many research labs in different locations working together. Havard has some of the best researchers in the world so they are more likely to be more productive with their research goals.
It looks like Harvard has made the decision to forgo federal money, which is a win-win.
I have no idea, MG.
I just keep hearing that as a justification for federal funding.
I’m basically libertarian, so I’d like to see NO federal funding of universities.
That would involve looking on the Internet. Universities conduct important scientific research as contractors to the U.S. government, like they did when scientists discovered the atom bomb.
I'm sure that info can be found on their website.
It is the “overhead” charge added to the grants which fund people who do nothing but try to fuck up America for sport. Just end that and it would help.
I find disgusting that a working person's tax dollars are just given to a filthy rich institution. That is a crime.
And btw, they have a $50 billion dollar endowment that grows at a minimum of $5 billion a year. This bullshit about not being able to research because big bad Donald is taking away their dollars (our dollars) makes me want to scream. I’m sick of these Ivys getting our money, charging ridiculous tuition amounts, and having the gall to say their constitutional rights are being infringed upon. Give me a break!
a big scam of the 20th century was convincing the public their child needed to be in an Ivy League school or they were worthless and would fail at life. It sadly worked and still does. When the name of the school became more important than learning the skills needed to pursue your career and life path, it became a money machine and nothing more. Tell your kids to get a trade or go to a local school. Enough of the "big schools" marketing machine. All they want now is money and to get as many of their graduates to vote a certain way
And yet, many members of Trump's cabinet and many of his billionaire donors all graduated from Ivy League schools.
That's OK, China is quite prepared to leap ahead in research.
Are you implying that a guy hanging drywall shouldn’t be paying for the educations of the scions of wealthy families? Or that our overlords might pay for their own “elite” institutions? Surely the republic would fall without the Harvard Kennedy School of Public Administration. Can you imagine the havoc that would befall American commerce and technology if it was left to graduates of (ugh) state universities?
Fucking A I'm implying that.
What about the 1 trillion+ annually that goes to the defense budget? Is that not also working person's tax dollars? Try not to be distracted by this trivial shit.
And much of that is on behalf of Israel, too.
Really? You're comparing welfare for elites to an armed forces that lets me sleep in relative peace every night? We are not the same.
Right. $1,800 hammers and $12,000 toilet seats bought by the Pentagon and paid for with 33% of my annual salary is the only thing keeping us safe from... what now?
Well, that’s exactly why we voted for Trump/Doge. Not arguing they spend efficiently. We all know government doesn’t do that, which is why they shouldn’t be doling out money w/o accountability to schools. In fact, the researchers at NIH under Fauci that coordinated vaccine discoveries with big pharma got to keep royalties. Seems to me if we funded the research, we should get to keep those royalties. Or at least a portion.
Well the Trump administration just earmarked another trillion for the Pentagon, and also is sending billions to Israel. So they are just as bad as any other administration. They aren't special!
Drink the Koolaid much?
“ this is just peanuts” argument against cutting wasteful spending is so bizarre. Suppose you have $100 and someone flushes $10 down the toilet. Meanwhile you are in serious debt and are having trouble feeding your own kids. The interest payments on the debt are crippling. Doesn’t every dollar matter?
It makes no sense to fund these institutions with hard earned tax payer dollars consudering we are $36 trillion in debt.
Plus can you imagine if the protestors were harassing black people? Or perhaps trans or gay people? People would have gone to jail for hate crimes. Discrimination is discrimination.
That’s the best apples to oranges description I’ve heard in my lifetime!
Hyperbolic much?
Harvard, Yale and Princeton were historically anti-semitic.
Karabel, Jerome. 𝑻𝒉𝒆 𝑪𝒉𝒐𝒔𝒆𝒏: 𝑻𝒉𝒆 𝑯𝒊𝒅𝒅𝒆𝒏 𝑯𝒊𝒔𝒕𝒐𝒓𝒚 𝒐𝒇 𝑨𝒅𝒎𝒊𝒔𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝑬𝒙𝒄𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝒂𝒕 𝑯𝒂𝒓𝒗𝒂𝒓𝒅, 𝒀𝒂𝒍𝒆, 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝑷𝒓𝒊𝒏𝒄𝒆𝒕𝒐𝒏. Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 2005.
Karabel, a sociologist, draws on extensive archival research to trace the evolution of admissions from the early 20th century to the modern era. A key focus is the discriminatory practices used to limit certain groups, including Jewish students in the 1920s and 1930s, when Harvard and others implemented quotas and subjective criteria like "character" to curb Jewish enrollment.
𝑻𝒉𝒆 𝑪𝒉𝒐𝒔𝒆𝒏 won the 2006 William J. Goode Book Award from the American Sociological Association and is widely regarded as a definitive work on the history of elite university admissions.
Yes, this needed to be pointed out. In a pluralistic nation Harvard, et al have skirted the law probably since the beginning, and they are wont to maintain this practice and ideology. Why don't they just post it across the banner of their website? WE DO NOT TOLERATE THE CHRIST-KILLERS while they don't tolerate Christ either.
They totally were before the 1960s or maybe even 70s but those days are long gone.
Right into the early 1900s they were pretty much anti-anyone that didn't qualify as a WASP, but that's also a lot of institutions and organizations in those days. Irish and Italian immigrants weren't considered as "white" by society in general until some progressives in the early 1900s decided to start lumping them in that category statistically at which point that view began to shift. Kennedy was controversial as the first Irish-Catholic President and that was 1961.
Advising reading books to this group may be a fool's errand.
I can not help myself. (best use name ever?-you).
Now do Irish @ Harvard. #brahminrule
They have Samantha Power now--https://www.radcliffe.harvard.edu/people/samantha-power
Doesn’t anyone get it, we are complicit at present in a genocide of a people. Speaking against genocide is not antisemitic. It is a moral stance. My family did not escape Nazi Germany with the slogan “never again” to witness this again. Stop playing stupid political games.
Guess what? My relatives didn't survive Buchenwald and pogroms to be harassed, and afraid to have Magen David ripped from their necks and discriminated in both admissions and by terrorist indoctrinated teachers. My father was the first in his family to graduate college, Columbia, and he credited it with changing his life. He dedicated so much of his time and money to that institution and there are scholarships in his name that my brother - another graduate - rightly and proudly maintains. A proud, brilliant pediatrician who firmly believed in the American dream of hard work brings success, he would CRY to see the injustice and Jew hatred accepted across these Ivy League campuses and the tainted admissions and professors who provide precious little "education" these days.
I do not deny that there is antisemitism in practice. It is abhorrent to me. My family’s history is not unlike yours. But because one is discriminated against, denied admission to college, being assaulted by having a Magen David ripped from their neck, this does not in anyway justify or condone the slaughter and killing of tens of thousands of people by warfare and famine. I support speaking against the genocide. The Ivy League schools have very much been discriminatory and in bed with our government. But now again our government is stomping on our First Amendment rights and the outcry against this is justified.
Maybe the vengeful God of the Old Testament needed to be replaced by a more peace loving belief.
For those here that deny a genocide, read the international news. It is now official. And almost every country in the world speaks against this massacre. Of course peace in the Middle East will not come until the Israeli-Palestinian land occupation issues are addressed in a fair way.
Problem is, to Hamas, "fair" means the destruction of the state of Israel and its people.
Wake up.
And to Israel, "defense" means slaughtering civilians: repeatedly bombing refugee camps, bombing ambulances, bombing aid workers delivering food, IDF snipers targeting women, children, and the elderly, and randomly "mowing the lawn" in Gaza.
Well Bookwench, in truth, none of that would have happened had Hamas not launched its despicable attack.. If you don't want to eat shit, don't start it, right?
Seriously, what would have the Israelis do? Hug it out with Hamas? I would like to hear your approach.
Try to remember that when Israel is abolished
Apparently you know little of Gaza - there are no "refugee camps." They live in building just like the rest of the world. Refugees? 3-5 generations prior possibly. Any of them are called "refugees" solely because UNRWA calls them that. The Hadid models are technically refugees by this insane definition applied only to fakestinians. Hamas uses ambulances to transfer themselves, and has held hostages in hospitals and UNRWA facilities. That is the Hamas strategy. If you care for the Gazans in the least - you would speak out about how Hamas uses them ILLEGALLY as shields and believes that they live only to die for "the cause." BTW- the cause is the destruction of Israel and the murder of all Jews. So please spare us your righteous indignation about Israel defending itself as 59 hostages are still held in terror tunnels being starved by Hamas - who has stolen and live off plenty of food - after over 550 days!
And the Israeli people want all Amalak dead and are set about doing just that. We are all Amalak who are not Jews. The questions that never are brought and never discussed is why?
I wonder why the Israelis aren't exterminating the Palestinians who are citizens of Israel. They are right there at hand and for some reason are left alone. /sarc
Oh you mean the second class citizens of Israel?
This is literal BS spoken by someone who clearly has never been to Israel. Please explain not only the 2m Arab citizens of Israel who have the best life and most opportunity of Arabs in ANY middle eastern country, but have their own political parties in the Congress (Knesset) are Supreme Court judges and doctors. Please. As for the Gazans and those Arabs in Judea and Samaria - who are NOT under Israeli government, if they aren't blowing themselves up or attacking others, they can live just fine. If Israel had desired to kill all of the Arabs in Gaza or elsewhere, it could have been done, American-style, by dropping bombs with little loss of Israeli life. Over 800 young Israeli soldiers - some Arab - have lost their lives fighting boots on the ground - so as to NOT just kill everyone. Pls try to use the brain you were born with.
Trying to use the brain YOU were born with - using mine is just too hard, I fear - I wouldn't point out the youth of isnotreal's soldiers, lest someone point out the staggering ratio of Palestinian kids killed; I might consider that you can use infantry in a region you don't mind bombing into complete rubble (and flatten other regions, which isnotreal has done repeatedly); and I might remember that the USA, a country that has been involved in genocide against Africans, has high court Afro-American judges.
I think I distinctly remember Howard Zinn writing about the second class nature of minorities in the United States, never admitting in modern USA these minorities live better than many first class citizens of other countries. Israel is given tremendous amounts of aid and subsidies fro the US allowing for a pretty good life even if you are an Arab living in Israel. They also have plenty of American military equipment which provides them with massive military strength. I know of many Arab Christians who live in Israel and they paint a different story. There are many African Americans who are Court Judges, doctors, or members of congress yet continue to cry racism is there biggest obstacle to success. The fact remains I may know more about what is going on there than you do otherwise you wouldn't be making this sort of argument that seems like justification for crimes that you do not want others to know about. Therein lies the problem your arrogance and deceit makes you smear me for having another POV.
My question is why do the staff allow you access to a keyboard? Amalek please
Kay you should read the story about Amalek in the Bible before defining for everyone who and what Amalek stands for. In that story Amalek is a tribe that attacked the ancient Hebrews from the rear where they kept the women and children to protect them from a head on attack by hostile enemies. When Israelis and Jews in general refer to Amalek this is the story to which they are alluding and it is a good description of what Hamas did on October 7 when they murdered and raped and tortured and burned alive 1200 Israeli civilians including babies and the elderly, and young people who were at a peace rave, and kibbutz members who had employed them and invited them to dinner. All of this was based on the Hamas charter which calls for the extermination of Israel. In doing so they were hoping that Hezbollah wou join in with similar activities in the north and that they would meet in the middle after slaughtering everyone in between. And they would have gotten further and perhaps captured some army bases which was part of their plan had they just quickly dispatched all the helpless people in sight and lingered to mock and torture them. All of this is well documented if you care to look it up. And I must say that as a Jew and the son of Holocaust survivors that I am appalled that so many Gazans have died as collateral damage because Hamas has used them as human shields. Many Israeli soldiers sons and daughters have died trying to avoid such casualties. Doing so is part of the Jewish tradition. It’s called Purity of Arms if you care to look it up. And right now as I write these words Iran which is Hamas’ sponsor is trying to make some atomic bombs which it hopes to deliver to Israel which because of its small size it has often referred to as the one bomb nation.
"Of course peace in the Middle East will not come until the Israeli-Palestinian land occupation issues are addressed in a fair way."
With the Abraham Accords we can see that just isn't true anymore, especially given that the "fair way" to the Palestinians is the rape and massacre of all the Jews.
More propaganda. The wars did not start Oct 2023. There have been atrocities on both sides, but the overwhelming slaughter, displacement and apartheid is by the ultra right Zionists. There are many Jews now leaving Israel because of those policies.
If you do research you will realize that Bibi N. had supported Hamas financially in order to cause a break between Hamas and the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. The backroom shenanigans that most do not realize.
You perpetuate a false narrative. The Abraham Accords have nothing to do with what's going in in Palestine.
In 2000 at the Camp David Accords with Bill Clinton, Yasser Arafat walked away from the negotiations when he had obtained 95% of the West Bank (Judaea & Samaria). Arafat said a resounding - NO - because he could not get: (1) Palestinian right of return, and (2) Palestinian sovereignty over East Jerusalem (the Western Wall). To Israel, this was not an acceptable concession. I agree. The better answer is the one contained in the initial League of Nations Mandate imposed on the Ottomans after WWI. And that was to call current day Jordan, Arab Palestine. Because of what happened on 10/7, Israel will never agree to a two-state solution that gives Palestinians a layup into Tel Aviv or any other city in the Israeli interior. Will not happen.
Yes, the God of the Old Testament should encourage Israelis to just roll over and peacefully allow Iran and its proxies to clear Jews from the river to the sea. That will solve the problem, no more genocide in Gaza.
They will not be solved until Palestinians accept the legitimacy of Israel’s existence. On the West Bank and in Gaza decent people are too scared be moderates. And Dirty Jews seem to be the first words children learn. All these H groups are a criminal enterprises and terrorists.
Indoctrination is present on both sides.
One side takes you away and returns your dead body to your family when you say anything counter to them. The other side has opposition parties that say counter things all the time. Including citizens who protest the war against Hamas. They are not rounded up, beaten to death, and returned to their families because they are Israelis, not Palestinians.
Michael Green, gotta say that your comments make me better understand how so many American Jews stood by passively as European Jewry was virtually wiped out in the Holocaust. The long distance from the horror made it seem abstract, almost as if it wasn't happening. But the Holocaust did happen, as did Oct 7.
Had Hamas (A) not attacked on Oct 7 and (B) quickly and unconditionally surrendered after it did, then the horrors you refer to would not have occurred. But why have so few people called for Hamas' surrender? I just don't get it. "Peace" is not possible with an organization and a people totally committed to your destruction.
Quite the bizarre connection you made between a student being attacked and "speaking" against genocide.
While there are instances of attacks documented, and instances of heresay, the majority of attacks and loss of privileges and jailing and deportations are against anyone, I mean anyone, speaking up against the genocide and for Palestinian rights, nonviolently. Israel lobby and U.S. government labels anyone doing so as antisemitic and a terrorist. It is like in the 1950’s a unionist speaking up for fair labor laws and labeled a Communist and stripped of rights, beaten and jailed , and sometimes deported. Beware of the power, it can and will kill you for simply expressing thoughts. “Land of the Free?”
Very true.
Whenever I criticize Israel's slaughter of Palestinians, I am labeled an "antisemite," (though I do not now, and have never hated Jews), or sometimes a "Nazi cunt." I have received replies from people who wish for me to raped and murdered by Hamas, though I have never supported Hamas. I consider Hamas and the IDF to be equally horrific.
My father-in-law was among American troops liberating Buchenwald, and the horror of that camp will never fade. The horror of what was done to Israeli families on Oct 7 including the youngest of children brings tears to my eyes.
Do you ever shed any tears for the children slaughtered by the IDF?
Sure, but their deaths are the responsibility of Hamas.
Of course they are.
Israel is perennially virtuous.
So taking revenge on innocents is OK? Kind of like a James Bond license.
I’m with you Brammymiami.
Your father provided a path for many to follow, lots to be proud of.
Now it’s our job to protect that path.
Once again We the People find ourselves bitch slapped and held hostage to the self-serving manipulated airball extremes of a captured, distorted and sensationalized American national conversation. This RACKET attempt to truthfully "timeline", clarify and lance yet another pathogenic boil on the ass of human moral reason thunderclaps the importance of supporting truth speakers and recapturing the healthy truth/fact based American reality that will move our Republic toward the prosperity (and sanity) our children deserve. The electronic Tower of Babel celebrity marriage of politics, economics and entertainment is snuff film pornographic. I am, and America is, tired of being jerked off by it. (Taylor Lorenz, as profiled by RACKET earlier this week, is -my opinion- one in a string of the typhoid Mary's that define the vacuous morality of the disease.) Again: The American psyche has been under assault for decades. It's an industry!! Truth is the only antidote to the LIE. It's time to get well!!
Palestine? The Hamas hostages? The Ukranian people? Everything is hostage. The European people are hostage. American education is hostage. American health care and the American economy are hostage. The Fentanyl addicted girl on her knees in an L.A. tent city looking for another fix is hostage. Pitiable poor Joe Biden and his crackhead son are hostage. The people trapped in crime ridden collapse inside gutted American industrial cities are hostage. The world is being held at economic gunpoint. The motivation for the LIE. Creation of cheap, uneducated disposable labor and access to all natural resources for personal exploitation and gain without oversight or accountability. Yep. As at Auschwitz, slave labor. Likewise the reason men, women and children were machine gunned at Ludlow and the Pinkerton's murdered strikers at he Lawrence Bread and Roses strike. Today? Can't bring the people to the concentration camp, bring the concentration camp to the people. The DNC/WEF/EU/CCP Davos crowd and the surveillance bureaucracy that serves it is not your friend.
Recent revelations about the nature of CISA/USAID/NGO money flow (your money) is a pretty good indicator of who is holding the gun. Tired of being bled. Stop bleeding. Dismantle and depart the psyop. What you can't say owns you. The chief tactic of the misandrist/feminist DEI and its primary value to the DNC/Davos juggernaut has been its willingness to destroy lives, attack civil liberties, rewrite history and repress free speech. At core, the emotionally charged chaos of the holocaust, Hamas, Israel, Palestine and hate speech at American universities, for the average American trying to make ends meet in a collapsing economy, like the inner workings of the D.C. hog trough,is just a further obfuscation and mystification of a vital American institution. And again, who is paying for the chaos and obfuscation? WE THE PEOPLE!!
Our Constitution and the truthful light generated by the new American conversation and the truth/fact based reality We the People are building saved our Republic from the tyranny now subsuming Europe. Trump is temporary reprieve not salvation. Don't back down.
Who gives a hoot about these rich kids at Harvard who are somehow victims?
Abolish these private schools who do nothing but train the very rich to assume they are superior.
Give the funding to land grant universities which were designed to educate regular people in all areas of our country.
NOBODY GIVES A FLYING FUCK ABOUT THE LITTLE ENTITLED RICH PRICKS’ “FEELINGS” AT HARVARD.
Hatred is a human right and a human trait. To deny as much is to push propaganda not based in fact or evidence.
Stifling legitimate protest of Israel's genocide is not making friends for Jewish people anywhere on this planet.
Oh please! "I want to talk about the Siani and he wants to talk about Hitler". Anwar Sadat referring to Menachem Begin. Nothing has changed, the narrative is the same. You know, the Amerindians and the Black people have been exterminated right here in the US but somehow they don't get to live at the top of socionomic pyramid. I guess some whining is more important than others!
Native Americans and black people exterminated? Funny, I saw some members of both groups just the other day. So you are wrong.
You don't help your case by making blatant exaggerations and overstatements.
Have they? I think you perpetuate a false narrative.
There is no "genocide" in Gaza without changing the definition of genocide to fit leftist narratives.
Changing definitions is what Leftists do. But we are on to it now.
'the systematic killing of a racial or cultural group' - would you accept that definition?
isnotreal advocates (e.g., in a press conference with the USA president) for complete political ownership of Palestine, and not through diplomacy - the bombing campaign has been massive. isnotreal also blocks aid to its victims and even deliberately bombs known aid workers, and its blockade is starving the victims en masse.
Am I misinformed about any of that? If not, that's genocide, right?
"the systematic killing of a racial or cultural group"--by that definition, the defeat of Germany in World War II was "genocide," what with the fire bombings Dresden, Berlin, etc.
"Genocide" is another term, like "racist," that has lost all meaning due to its cynical use for political ends.
Well, I'd rather converse honestly - what's your definition?
Edit: How about 'systematic identity-based killing of an ethnic or cultural group'?
(Also, collective punishment - like fire-bombing Germany - is a crime.)
Rounding up everyone who fits the ethnic definition of "unwanted" and killing them. That is what genocide is. For some reason the Israelis are leaving the palestinians who are citizens of Israel untouched, even though they would be pretty easily rounded up.
I guess that makes the Dresdenization of Gaza okay, then.
Then it isn't genocide but simply slaughtering citizens of another country? Ok, I can accept that.
No, I would not accept 'the systematic killing of a racial or cultural group', but even if I were, what's happening in Gaza does not meet this definition, not even a little bit. No cultural or racial group is being systematically killed in Gaza, no aid workers are being deliberately bombed, no one is being starved. These are simply leftist narratives that are regurgitated by people like you without even understanding what you are saying. What Israel is doing in Gaza is exactly what every nation at war does, and has done. It's exactly what the US does in every military action it engages in. It's called war.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/04/middleeast/jose-andres-wck-israel-strike-criticism-intl/index.html
The truth is out there, Greg.
That's why recent polling shows that support for Israel is dropping.
Everybody has sympathy for Israel when Israelis are being murdered, but when Israel defends itself they're not so sympathetic. This is not new at all.
"defends itself"
Bwahahahahahahahaha!
The "Israel defense" narrative makes just as much sense as removing a splinter by axing off the finger.
Israeli settlers gleefully block aid with their children along for the fun in this documentary by Jeremy Loffredo:
https://youtu.be/LqRzfb2oMaM?si=GrkUPJmBFR9RKaA7
IDF troops look on, bored.
Where do you get off denying reality?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/31/israel-killed-15-palestinian-paramedics-and-rescue-workers-one-by-one-says-un
You would gladly believe any lie put out by Hamas sources, and these are Hamas sources. You should be more skeptical.
"Sure, Jan."
I'll bet you think everyone who disagrees with you is a Nazi, too.
Palestinian civilian targets, like hospitals, are being deliberately bombed - is that false, or is Palestine not a cultural group?
And not that any of these are the best sources, but...
Wikipedia claims that aid workers have been bombed at least once (does this seem an accident?). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Central_Kitchen_aid_convoy_attack
'Human Rights Watch' says starvation is being deliberately used to further isnotreal's war.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/18/israel-starvation-used-weapon-war-gaza
The claim that Gaza hospitals are civilian targets is false, as you know. That's just leftist and Pallywood propaganda. You know as well as I do that hospitals are used by Hamas as military bases. Wikipedia is well-known to be a source of leftist propaganda (see Tracing Woodgrains work on this as well as others) and should not be taken seriously. Human Rights Watch is kind of a joke at this point, I'm not sure why you think their work carries some kind of moral weight. Anybody operating in Gaza is in danger because of Hamas, not Israel.
Again, Israel is conducting this war no differently than any other country has ever conducted any other war. On the other hand, if Palestinians were being killed just because they are Palestinians, then why is the death toll so small, and why aren't Palestinians being bombed in the West Bank?
Your narrative doesn't even include Hamas at all, it's as if they're not even there?
Is there no validity to the ICC, South Africa's case against Israel, war crimes of killing innocent children, targeting hospitals, journalists, and emergency aid workers and using forced starvation against the Palestinians? The court of public opinion appears to be moving away from the Zionists and the unconditional support of the US war machine.
Why do you presume what I know? I do know this: bombing hospitals is illegal, maybe cuz of all the invalids inside. As for my sources, I agree that they're not the best - they're info gatekeepers, I'd say - but are the claims I cited wrong?
No, starvation is not induced en masse in every war. And do you have a source for the death toll? I got the impression it was hard to get a reliable one, cuz of all the destruction. And ofc isnotreal leaves land it currently occupies mostly unbombed.
Why does Hamas matter to the discussion - if no Palestinians fought back, would you admit this offensive is illegal?
Three monkeys syndrome (aka willful ignorance) is not a convincing argument. There are COUNTLESS (not just "leftist") sources of evidence that those events have in fact occurred. Unlike the monkeys, you just have to uncover your eyes and ears to see and hear the truth.
You're either misinformed or dishonest. By your definition, the U.S. practiced genocide in WW II because we killed Germans and Japanese but not Englishmen and Frenchmen. Maybe you think that, but that's not what genocide means to the vast majority of people.
Ok - does 'systematic identity-based killing of an ethnic or cultural group' work?
Sorry for being misinformed - I didn't realize that using a dictionary instead of something more nuanced was a mistake.
"systematic killing" is a synonym for war.
Hamas just revised their death count, 50k people, 70% adult males:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hamas-quietly-drops-thousands-deaths-122557133.html
"Genocide" is an evil slander that has no basis in reality.
Killing 50k out of 2 million gets nowhere near any kind of "genocide", there are no mass graves or other mass atrocities that have been the hallmark of past genocides, and this would have to be the only genocide in history that could end immediately if the losers simply surrendered.
Hamas started this war, broke a ceasefire, hides in mosques and hospitals, uses their people as human shields, and explictly states they hope to create as many "martyrs" as possible.
Just because you hate Israel doesn't mean they're committing any kind of "genocide".
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Um, your source says that 72% are males as old as 55 and as young as 13! Also, any reader trying to separate facts from allegations would see most of the piece as blatant propaganda, which suits me fine.
Perhaps Hamas uses human shields - idk - but isnotreal bombs just the same. For example, even the West claims that mass graves exist at a hospital isnotreal attacked (and one wonders why some of the bodies lack clothing)!
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/04/1148876
You have to use the whole dictionary. Not excerpts that fit your desires.
What do you call Hamas who kill their people the Palestinians ?
What do you call Israeli's who kill their people and the Palestinians?
I call that war.. but let’s get really serious here. Hamas has a documented history and it’s not good
Hamas is odious -- but so is the IDF.
I see, you are a hypocrite.
Hannibals (seriously, the 7 Oct. story is nuts....).
Poor shots?
While "genocide" is an accurate term to use, I find these pro-zionists don't scream quite as loud if you use the term "ethnic cleansing" instead. Interestingly, "holocaust" is another correct term to use.
Dress it up all you like, it's genocide.
Perhaps you need to broaden your research into what's really happening over there. One needs not be a pro-Hamas protester to know the reports are pretty one sided in the US. We get a false narrative that it's all Hamas who is wrong. Can you justify the killing of innocent Christians who are not involved?
My research is just fine, and is surely at least as broad as yours. No innocent people should die; their religion is irrelevant. Yet innocent people will always die in war, that's one reason war should be avoided at almost any cost. There was no war on Oct 6, 2023, then the government of Gaza invaded Israel on Oct 7, 2023 and slaughtered more than a thousand Israelis. So now there is a war, at it's not going well for Gaza. That's what's happening.
"then the government of Gaza invaded Israel on Oct 7, 2023 and slaughtered more than a thousand Israelis."
This is the Israeli line, but other Israeli's and news personnel have denied that Hamas killed 1000 Israeli's, in fact many were killed by the IDF. Let's ask the question why this started on Oct 7 to begin with. Why? Israeli provocations towards Palestine? I have read too many accounts that paint a different story about what goes in this part of the world. This time the Goliath is Israel backed by the USA, and the people of Gaza are the David's. Very little American aid goes to help these people in Gaza, but we spend billions in aid to Israel. Why? Why are we even involved. Israel is not an ally nor are they our friend. They are for themselves......period.
Ok, so you're just a conspiracy theorist pushing lies. Never mind.
So, when challenged with facts you cry conspiracy theorists and smears. Typical intellectual cowardice.
OMG...can you really be THAT stupid??
Says the guy who presents no argument, no facts, no intelligence and you are calling me stupid? LoL
Sure, Greg.
The entire world community is wrong, because they simply "hate Jews" for some unknown reason.
The "entire world community", as you phrase it, is almost always wrong about everything.
Uh huh.
Absolutely. In fact, "the entire world community" should be used as a negative point of reference.
Of course it should, Greg, because it questions your version of reality.
It's really more like "urban renewal," clearing out the obstacles to the new Riviera.
Btw - NO ONE is saying anything about speech. Speak all you want - even if it's ill-informed and shows your ignorance. What is happening ISNT speech, its conduct, it's intimidation, it's organized chaos and infringement of civil rights (kids not being allowed to access common spaces, exclusion of classes and actual violence.) schools who fail to protect their students are in violation of Title VI of the civil rights act and those who fail to protect their employees (ie Columbia where janitors where held against their will and assaulted) are in violation of Title VII.
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If there's a genocide how come the population keeps growing?
This genocide is reducing the population, making Gaza uninhabitable.
Is it or are you referring to the expansion of Israel's immigrant population mainly from Central Europe?
State your sources ...
Hahahahaha. You clowns are mentally disabled.
Only one side is pushing for genocide, and it's not the Jews you hate.
Who said anything about hating Jews?
It is possible to condemn the slaughter of civilians by both sides, is it not?
Pushing is the wrong word, and you are also identifying the wrong people.
'Pushing' is a very kind, diplomatic word. Perhaps you're blissfully unaware of Arab genocidal ambitions with regards to the Jews, and perhaps you are unaware of Hamas' genocidal ambitions with regards to the Jews. The Hamas charter, Hamas' history, and Hamas' messaging make clear their genocidal goals.
You seem blissfully unaware of Israeli settler attitudes toward Greater Israel.
Is it or is it a word that establishes blame? I am very aware of the Hamas enmity towards Israel, but I am also aware of the expansionist policies of the state of Israel and there need to have these people out of the way. so, does the rhetoric of Israel's policies, and their policy messaging backed by Anglo-Zionists and their Talmudic teachings. Who, really are the Amalaks?
Did you just make that up? Israel was given a tiny piece of it's ancestral homeland but agreed to share it with the colonial Arabs. Time and again it's the Arabs who reject peace and kill Jews. Pretty straightforward
I don't need to make up the truth, it's available to anyone who seeks it. ancestral land, please. That is a myth. Perhaps you need some remedial history lessons and broaden your research into finding the truth.
Not a big expert on the subject. But it seems from my history classes that every few years since Israel's founding, all the Arabs would get together and attacked them to try to wipe them off the map. And Israel would simply keep the land after kicking the crap out of them so they had a little buffer. Not really expansionist as I see it.
This Cosmo liar will just claim that you've been misled by Zionist media and that the proper history can be gleaned from PressTV and publications from the Islamic Republic of Iran.
From your "history classes?" There's your problem right there.
https://michelchossudovsky.substack.com/p/greater-israel-zionist-plan-middle-east
https://www.counterpunch.org/2006/04/25/is-the-us-waging-israel-s-wars/
https://apnews.com/article/israel-syria-attack-buffer-zone-golan-assad-6ee75aca7f5d820dd623b2aba4a62407
Long, but very comprehensive: https://www.unz.com/article/israel-did-9-11/
Talmudic teachings? You're not aware of anything, you're an idiot. You've never been to Israel, you don't know any Jews, and your "education" comes entirely from memes on right-wing websites.
Talmudic teachings, please, you're just another brainless jew hater.
Yet, all you can counter with is hyper ventilating mania dressed up as an argument.
Explain to me in words of one syllable how harassment, intimidation, vandalism, and battery directed at one's fellow students who are minding their own business trying to get the education they were promised when they paid their tuition has anything to do with any purported genocide on the other side of the world.
The antisemitism card is being overplayed. Speaking out against genocide or ultra right wing Zionism is not antisemitism. It is as simple as that. Our government is pushing an agenda and we would be wise to see it for what it is.
Maybe not, but assaulting individual Jewish students sure looks like it.
Who's sharing the information here about schools, police, and zionists physically, politically, and mediawise assaulting PEACEFUL pro-Palestinian protestors? And inciting others to do so.
That is not responsive to what I asked. I asked how one set of students criminally mistreating another in clear violation of every institutional conduct code ever written, including I am sure Harvard's, has anything to do with a distant conflict that does not directly involve either party.
You don't get to punch me in the face because you're mad about that lying sonaofabitch Johnson, in other words. Your boss doesn't get to corner you and yell in your face on your way into the office because he's really pissed at the CFO and he thinks you look like a guy who once maybe took an accounting class. In a decent society this is obvious, is it not?
This guy clearly reads one sided info, never been to the Middle East, isn't learned in history, government nor law, can't think critically to understand the meaning of the words he throws around and isn't worth your time to engage.
And that is the rub, what is truth and what is political agenda? Who is being mistreated? Think carefully before you answer.
I'm dying 🤣. "What is truth?"
Postmodernism may have just set the stage for the West’s decline and fall. It’s tragic how useful idiots are rife.
I prefer ad hominems that aren't careful - they're just easily digestible tidbits for the reader.
Ha! You ask "what is truth?" Don't you know? I suspect not.
My God, you must be blind
No Marie. He's simply an imbecile.
No matter how you argue both sides of this to relieve yourself of the responsibility for your personal anti-Semiticism, your own words of disdain towards the "vengeful God of the Old Testament" and the need to replace Him reveal your anti-Semitic stance. You favor abusing (or at least allowing that abuse to go unchecked) Jewish students because they are Zionist, ie, believe in the Hebrew God of the OT and somehow conflate that with the need to hold these students personally responsible for a foreign country's actions and their consequences based on your opinion. Fact check: you are by definition anti-Jewish; you are blaming people of another religion for acts they had nothing to do with per your own religious bias; you fail to see your own hypocrisy in claiming NOT to be anti-Semitic while being anti-Semitic. In other words, having been brainwashed to believe the leftist lies, you gaslight the rest of us with your high flown rhetoric. Please cease and desist. We see you for what you are.
Very simple, I am anti-genocide. Period. I am for people who oppose genocide.
You do not understand what antisemitism is. You are brainwashed.
Well, then go search out the genocide where it's actually happening. It's not happening in Gaza. There are many places on the African continent and in China where it IS happening. You're rejection of the God of the Bible is your problem, and you despise the Jews because of their historic connection to God. And now YOU understand what anti-Semiticism is.
'the land was rightly given to us by our sky-daddy when they told us to commit genocides thousands of years ago - disagreeing with us is bigotry'.
It's odd to me that no one at Harvard (or you) is protesting what's happening in China, Sudan, Somalia, or numerous other nations. Why the focus on Palestine, unless is anti-Jew?
Because we are giving them billions of our $ to do this and it should enrage anyone with decency.
Is the US sending BILLIONS in tax dollars for tens of thousands of civilians to be slaughtered in those countries?
There is no genocide in Gaza, *that* is the propaganda that you are pushing.
Ethnic cleansing, mass slaughter, holocaust, or genocide... no matter what it's called, the RESULT is the same - the MASS MURDER of VASTLY MORE CIVILIANS than actual combatants. So no, that is NOT "war."
Sorry to disturb your jingoism, but every war, every single war without exception, features vastly more civilian casualties than combatants.
This is not a war it's an ethnic cleansing of all Arabs, Christian or Muslim, for Israeli expansion and theft of scarce resources.
Perhaps you missed the word MURDER in my comment; as in INTENTIONAL killing of civilians.
Students (and everybody else) have a right to protest and speak up for what they believe. They do not have a right to harass other students, vandalize school property, occupy school buildings, establish encampments, block traffic, etc.
Any questions?
Right? How hard is that to understand? But no, we're told that all that is just "robust and time-honored" forms of protest.
I see that you’re one of those “as a Jew” types flaunting the fact that your ancestors fled Germany to escape the Nazis. If that’s true good for them. Most of my family were not so lucky about ninety percent of them men women and children having been slaughtered by the Nazis and my parents only survived by the skin of their teeth. But coming from that background I don’t presume to be speaking to the world “as a Jew.” I’m sick of that shit! I’m speaking to you as one Jew to another if indeed you are a Jew. How can you be so fucking stupid, so ignorant of the history of the ME conflict and so unnuanced about its nature? That itself is a giveaway of where you’re coming from. I got a Phd from Harvard in the 1970s, it was a great place to be then and given that I was born in a DP camp after WWII I was proud of the accomplishment. I now keep my degree under the bed in the guest room. If you really are Jewish you are completely deracinated from your culture and your tradition and speak only for yourself and stop encouraging the Jew haters of this world.
"How can you be so fucking stupid, so ignorant of the history of the ME conflict and so unnuanced about its nature?" -- The same could be asked of you.
Words have definitions. A fivefold increase in population isn’t a “genocide. War is awful and I truly feel for the civilians caught up in this. It’s tragic. However,their government ( cough cough cough HAMAS ) is entirely responsible for what is happening.
Israel shares responsibility. What you do not say is the Israeli incursion into Palestinian territory, the capture and incarceration of hundreds, if not thousands of Gazans where they are abused. This sort of brutality is why Oct 7 occurred.
I get it, but a lot of people in America simply do not. why? Because they are not being given both sides of the story. How many people here are even aware the IDF murdered eight Red Cross paramedics and five aid workers in Southern Gaza on March 23rd 2025. Each were shot more than 20 times and then buried in a sandpit along with their vehicles. I'm tired of hearing the false stories of Gazan atrocities that have been unproven yet nothing about the atrocities being committed by Israel. We should be ashamed for being complicit in enabling this violence.
You get nothing. Your arrogant assumption that you are more informed than others seems to be untrue. You simply have your own biases that you use to filter information through.
I made no assumptions I stated facts. It's not a bias to print a fact based inconvenient (for you) truth. Why did you evade this truth?
You printed no facts at all, just information filtered through your own biases. Those are not facts.
You are denying that Israel killed the ambulance drivers?
Yeah, right, my biases yes, against lies.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2025/04/no_author/zionist-supremacism-and-murder-of-the-innocent/
Want more? I suspect you believe Matt Blumenthal is biased, but for what reason, shame?
Have the Palestinians returned the last of the hostages? Because they could stop this at any point, if they returned the last 50.
But this is what happens when you start a war you cannot finish.
Do you really really believe that if Hamas released the hostages that Israel would stop the mass killing of civilians and forced evacuation of Gazans. I have a bridge in NY to sell you. Israel has already backpedaled on the cease fire agreement to start active hostilities up again.
Maybe, maybe not. But the mere fact that there are hostages still extant puts your claims to rest. And both sides have back peddled on any cease fire. Israel is well within its rights to retaliate for the actions of the Gazans.
But, again, if you don't want war, don't start one.
Does that mean isnotreal isn't holding any hostages? If so, were they acquired from a 'previous war' or by some other means?
"Israel is well within its rights to retaliate for the actions of the Gazans." -- And Palestinians are well within their rights to retaliate for the actions of Israel's zionist leadership.
What about the hundreds of Palestinian hostages held by Israel?
If Israel is committing genocide, why would they take hostages?
But, anyway, that is what happens when you start a war you cannot finish.
Ask the Israeli government?
They routinely round up random Palestinians, then hold them indefinitely.
Many are tortured, sometimes by being sodomized by steel rods.
https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/article-813953
They've had them incarcerated for a long time which is why Oct 7 occurred, they were fed up by Israel's arrogance and intransigence.
Speaking out on any topic especially if you believe genocide is being committed is your protected right under the first amendment. However students at Harvard give away some of those rights when they agree to adhere to the university code of conduct. They represent the University and as such are held to a higher standard in their behavior. The issue here is that Harvard accepts this conduct because they implicitly agree with the protesters. Had they been shouting “George Floyd deserved it “. Trust me they would not have been protesting for very long
The really weird thing is that students can protest against the US all day long, with no repercussions -- just not against a tiny country on the other side of the world.
Oh, you can protest against Israel, but you cannot deny others the right to walk to campus, to not be chased down and threatened, beaten, held hostage in a class room. You can only do those things after a black man is killed. Then it is OK to kill 37 other black men during your "protests."
And you cannot allow those things to happen on your campus while expecting to receive federal money, at least not a Democrat loses the election.
This is true, but it sounds as if the agent-provocateurs and serial Ruiners-Of-Everything have found new feeding-grounds.
Everything about our common lineage (not to mention well-known psychology, or even just 30 seconds' critical thinking) ought to have made Woke doctrine a non-starter - but when an intellectual-suicide cult that already had a decade to build momentum meets proof of its illegitimacy, does it say "Oh dear, I hadn't thought of that," and vanish in a puff of logic? No, it enters malignant survival-mode and does whatever it can get away with so sustain itself at the expense of EVERYTHING else, incapable of playing nice with the rest of existence...what's terrifying, of course, is it seems that we have not just ONE instance of that, but NUMEROUS. Some parasitic meme that has been allowed to incubate for decades now has metastasized all over the place, and they're fighting each other now.
Do you know what a blood libel is?
The world needs more people with this perspective. How are campus protests getting this much vitriol when we’re in the process of destroying an entire people?
Ask the Arabs, they have been trying to kill every Jew since 1948.
Every Jew, eh? Hmm, the global population size of Jews would indicate otherwise.
Actually much longer than that. All through the ages Jews have been pogrommed - and certainly by Arabs. Hebron 1929 immediately comes to mind. But all through the 1800s and before.
And the Israeli's have been encroaching and murdering Arabs both Christian and Muslim since 1948.
Thank you, Matt Taibbi, for the history of educational institutions being universally granted tax-exempt status as recently as 1986. That seems to me to deserve a fresh look by Congress, especially for private universities. As far as state or municipal taxes go, that can be determined between those entities and the institution.
Some people are expressing concern that research will suffer if federal funding is reduced at an institution like Harvard. I happen to have a doctorate and have a nominal understanding of research in my field, and my perspective is that much of research provides very little value. Wasted money. The big breakthroughs are few and far between. In my opinion, there should be a higher bar for which research gets funded. This would mean fewer jobs in the "research industrial complex", but that is probably necessary, much like the government workforce needed to be downsized.
Can we, the tax payers, have an accounting of all this magnificent research preformed by these schools due to all our generous donations? I’d like to see that documentary ..
Easily searchable on each institution's website.
Right??? They can't all be saving children with cancer....
I always thought gov provided grants to higher ed institutions for R&D was not only a waste of taxpayer money, but an intrusion into the genius of the free market of ideas and inventions. Instead of allowing graduates to start business to open R&D into the area of their choice and hire other graduates and make money that way, we defaulted to tax payer funding.
Even state-operated Universities suck billions of tax payer $s every year to build government information surveillance platforms and Intel goes to Michigan U and uses its CCP supplied students and staff for the development of election equipment and its spyware like facial recognition. It used to pay private firms, like the one my brother worked at for decades, to design and provide a prototype of whatever the deep state wanted.
The move to university R&D grants started with Sputnik and under JFK and his new NIH and moon endeavor and declined under Reagan, grew under Clinton, Bush and Obama. I think Americans were sold a rotten piece of fish.
“In 2005, the National Academies report, “Rising Above the Gathering Storm,” chronicled the decline in American preeminence in science and technology. The report warned that in a global economy increasingly driven by ideas and innovation, the U.S. must invest strongly in science and education to remain competitive.” I’m calling BS.
Maybe the timeline should have started with the 2023 Supreme Court ruling that Harvard's race-based admissions policies violated the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution. And maybe additional milestones about how Harvard has effectively ignored the SCOTUS ruling through trickery, hair-splitting and outright lies.
I mean, the issue really is - should US taxpayer money really be given to a corrupt, racist institution clearly willing to operate on the fringes of the law in order to foster an unfair, unethical, anti-American social engineering agenda?
One look at the essay questions that Harvard and other institutions employed in the wake of that decision show clear evidence that they actively subverted the SCOTUS decision. Instead of an identity checkbox, they asked students to describe their victiminhood in essay form. These institutions are supposed to detail their foreign contributions but because there has been no enforcement and repercussions for failing to accurately do so - we've allowed all of these institutions to pander to their farthest left constituencies in admissions, hiring, tenure as well as biased non-balanced class choices. We've allowed the left to hollow out education.
There's a lot wrong with the Ivies in general and Harvard, specifically. Funding is highly political. I can think of plenty of better ways to spend a couple of billion in the Boston area - namely on adult literacy programs to ensure kids get the support they need from parents and care givers. Fresh vegetables and fruits are expensive in Boston, especially in the winter. Encouraging local hydroponics and other forms of hands-on science in public schools, community gardens, etc.
Beyond that, the government should stay out of dictating norms at private educational institutions. The last thing we need is the government playing a more active role in education.
Drugs, of course, are the number one problem facing the Boston community. Drug-testing parents at both private and public schools would also be a great idea to discourage poisoning young minds and bodies. Young people paid the biggest price during COVID and funneling 2 billion into the coffers of the most entitled and most exclusive communities while ignoring the plight of the illiterate and unhealthy seems a fantastic waste of cash.
Drug testing parents? What are you, a Democrat? Mind your own business. And yes, Harvard is private so we can withdraw all public funding. They have tons of money and don't need my taxpayer dollars.
They take government money, they lose their rights!
Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas. They take money with strings attached, then whine about the strings.
Why would you drug-test parents? What should be done if a parent tests positive?
Damage done to the children of chemically-dependent parents cuts across class and income. Parents who test positive for illegal drugs would have the opportunity to explain to teachers and other parents why taking drugs has an efficacious impact on their own kids, classrooms, and the community in general.
I spent years in classrooms, including K-12. Children are rarely the authors of their own problems. We're seeing Bobby try to get prescription drugs out of the bodies of kids. That's what MAHA is. Starting adult discussions about how our individual decisions impact the lives of others, especially our kids and the kids of others, is the first step towards building healthier communities.
You want to take drugs, maybe that's your choice. But maybe others don't want their kids to be around you, or your kids. Millions, if not billions, of parents around the globe want their kids growing up in healthy, drug-free environments - that means schools, playgrounds, and public spaces.
The idea that drug-taking is normal, or that children should become sexually active in adolescence, is about as popular as exposing kids to pornography and "my gender is a matter of choice." If you haven't noticed, drugs have almost destroyed the fabric of many parts of America. Cartels control the importation of drugs and sexual slavery in America - I'd have thought that removing the terror of cartels in American cities would be a priority.
All hail the totalitarian Nanny State!
Scared to have a conversation? Here's the data on Boston Public Schools.
Boston currently spends more money per student than any district in the US.(1)
The results: Students grades 3-8 meeting or exceeding expectations versus the state average are 10 to 20 points lower. That's more than 70 percent failing to meet expected outcomes.
27 - 39 in English Language Arts.
26 - 41 in Mathematics
22 - 42 in Science/Tech Engineering.
14.2 percent of BPS students are white. (2.)
Nothing I've written includes the word mandatory or must. I'm saying the current conversation about de-funding Harvard is a circle-jerk of virtue signalling across the political spectrum even as lower-income family outcomes are ignored. What options do kids who can't read, can't count, can't do science actually have?
Failing to improve adult literacy rates and remove drugs from our homes and schools - increases the chances that BPS students will end up as addicts, single parents, low-income earners, in prison, homeless, unhealthy, and dead. If money is going to be spent - spend the money wisely. Google Adult literacy K-12 outcomes and find out.
1. https://www.wbur.org/news/2023/09/07/boston-massachusetts-bps-system-education-students-field-guide
2. https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/mcas/achievement_level.aspx?linkid=32&orgcode=00350000&orgtypecode=5&
I’ll be down to piss in a cup shortly, sir!
I'd piss in a cup every day for the rest of my life if that's what worked to help these families get half the future the "weep for Harvard" students enjoy.
I'd like to think you and other critics would cheerfully spare a cup or two of piss to help build better communities for these families.
But maybe that's asking too much.
You’re acting as if this some zero-sum solution. It’s not. It’s a trade-off which is quite ripe for abuse at the expense of individual liberty. The road to Hell…
By the way, frozen fruit and vegetables are better than fresh in the winter - and depending in other seasons. Ask any dietitian.
Agreed, but that benefit accrues particularly when compared with fresh vegetables, fruits, picked at a distance and transported. But that's not the only benefit - helping kids grow their own food (at school), or community gardens builds a sense of accomplishment and community. Helps get the kids off their phones, at least for a time. The damage selfish, overly self-indulgent adults have done to kids over the last two decade has yet to be fully measured. We have such an abundance of resources to bring to building healthy communities. What do we have? Record childhood chronic disease, depression, etc, etc, etc.
And some here object to the idea that they might have to account for their own decisions and maybe start modelling adult lifestyles for their kids and others.
Harvard is a cancer.
How do you get rid of cancer?
Kill it.
My main takeaway from this timeline is how utterly pathetic Harvard is. They are unable to even articulate an understanding of freedom of speech, let alone develop a policy that promotes it, unable and unwilling to protect their students from assault. Their strategy is to simply cave in to each demand, even when the demands of different parties conflict. Everything they've done was wrong, and everything they didn't do was also wrong. Claudine Gay was the perfect representative of this pathetic nature of Harvard, she should never have been fired.
Harvard has been a perfectly oiled machine for many decades, runs on its own, cranking out malcontents, future international players, science deniers, great mathematicians, lawyers adverse to the constitution, and so forth. It is right up there with Johns Hopkins, which happens to keep its head down and its malfeasance hidden away in the dark.
Most of, if not all, Ivy League Universities have subsisted on their self-anointed legacy of being "the best of the best". Their cultured facade began to crack as far back as the 60s. In their march towards DEI, many of their dubious hires started espousing their own personal (and oftentimes, radical) political views with the tacit approval of their respective administrations. Conflict was inevitable. Federal money should never go towards funding a private entity to begin with, and certainly not towards any institution that can't seem to promote thoughtful, civil discourse without the theatrics of mob protests.
"Federal money should never go towards funding a private entity to begin with"
Yes indeed. Off topic: PayPal, Palantir, Facebook, Ebay and more would have one believe that each was built by intrapreneurs with venture capital. No mention that their ideas aligned with a snooping fed that seeded them for their own use.
In the abstract, I can understand why so many internet startups jumped at the chance to gain funding from the people with the money, but they should have been aware that they were, in fact, selling their souls. I don't necessarily blame them. In most cases they were young and not near as sophisticated as they believed themselves to be (an all to frequent result of feigned praise). Even Elon, who is revered in the MAGA movement, has had to cope with the fall out of this dynamic at times. I think that now, many of these "tech entrepreneurs" have started moving in a positive direction, although it's too early to make a considered assessment.
Perhaps moving in a positive direction, however, for me the song Hotel California comes to mind -
Last thing I remember, I was running for the door
I had to find the passage back to the place I was before
"Relax," said the night man, "We are programmed to receive
You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave"
I think you meant "hired."
The reason this is such a polarizing issue is that it's ok to say "I hate Jews", as it's protected speech (even though you're a giant asshole) but what is happening is the next step to that - harassment, building take overs, assaults, etc. It's the death of discourse when the other side gets drowned out due to this. There needs to be some push back. Starve them of the money as far as I'm concerned.
Honestly, I don't "HATE' Jews. However, I DO resent the fact that Jewish organizations have used the media, the politicians and a heaping portion of shame/guilt to push for favored status at every turn. I can't say that I blame them after the persecution they have endured, BUT, when is enough, enough? As a Christian, I was taught that the Jews were God's "chosen people". However, I don't think that gives them any right to control the opposition, no matter how much I oppose the shared enemy, with the deceitful and murderous tactics. Muslim extremists have shown that they are not to be trusted, but, by the same token, Jewish extremists have shown a propensity to disregard and label Muslims of any stripe as "terrorists" and anti Semites. The Jews, IMO, have managed to drag the US into the shit, that they instigated (settlements in the West Bank, fuck-off already). Ban AIPAC from political contributions!
Fair enough. You do raise some good points. What I always go back to is - what dignified nation would let bordering (and violent countries that are literally calling for your own genocide) rocket its populace over and over without a counter attack?
I agree with you about AIPAC. There's a lot of facets to this issue (spanning multiple decades) that are hard to work through in a post.
Whwn saying the Trumpistas demands Haavad "Adopt the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition of antisemitism and include examples aligned with the Office of Civil Rights in the Department of Education" abridging free speech", shouldn't mention be made of that definition conflating antisemitism with anti-Zionism?
The two are not the same.
Apparently you don't know much about Judaism. Zionism is a basic of Jewish thought and law. We are tied to our ancestral homeland. You can say what you want but when you push me off campus because I'm Jewish you are clearly in the wrong.
Um, no, all Jews are not Zionists and not all connected to a Middle Eastern homeland?
All of us came from Judea Samaria but were spread over the world when we were expelled twice. The Arabs are only indigenous to Saudi Arabia. They are colonizers elsewhere whereas the Jews are indigenous to what is now Israel as well as parts of Lebanon and Jordan (new states created by Europeans who wanted the oil).
I'm trying to understand the history being discussed: '[Arabs] are colonizers' might suggest that they tried to take over your land - when was that? And since what time are jews indigenous to Palestine?
“Palestine” was the name given to the land of Judea by the conquering Romans. They intended it as an insult. It has nothing to do with the Arabs calling themselves Palestinian today. It later became the name of the British controlled territory, mostly comprising Jordan, after the Ottoman invaders were defeated.
Greeks, actually. The people who Jews called Gentiles were often Hellenic and were hated by the Jews. In the modern age, it was the West that gave us the name Palestine to describe the area of conflict today.
In fact a large number of Jews are anti-Zionists. Going back to Albert Einstein, among others.
Many are involved in the current protests opposing the ongoing genocide.
Check your facts. Einstein not only was a Zionist he helped found Hebrew University in Jerusalem. And there is no genocide in Gaza.
May I suggest reading the 12/02/1948 letter to the NYT signed by Hannah Arendt, Albert Einstein, and a a number of prominent Jews.
Three excerpts from it:
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties."
"The public avowals of Begin's party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future."
AND
"The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism."
You can find the entire text at: https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948
As for genocide not occurring, I take it you differ with the ICC.
Also Glenn Greenwald, Dave Smith, Aaron Mate, Max Blumenthal. . .
And Katie Halper, Norman Finkelstein, and some lesser knowns...
https://www.academia.edu/40856690/Why_I_left_the_cult
https://www.amazon.com/Yahweh-Zion-Jealous-Promised-Civilizations/dp/0996143041
https://www.jewishpress.com/sections/features/features-on-jewish-world/the-anti-nazi-boycott-vs-the-haavara-agreement-still-a-provocative-question/2021/10/20/
https://benjaminmoser.substack.com/
There is no genocide in Gaza.
What would you call that slaughter then?
Then they really aren't practicing religious Jews, are they? You are merely saying you are not religious. That being said, discriminating against someone because of the religion they practice or do not practice is against the law in this country.
Yes, and if Zionist Jews from Europe push indigenous people of Palestine off their ancestral homeland because they are not Jewish, then they are clearly in the wrong.
Individual conscience and freedom of speech and publication should be protected on college campuses and other public places in America. Fights may break out over hot issues, but if they do, the authorities should discipline impartially according to who did what, not according to who was on what side.
Campus administrators should not be forcing views, values, or tendentious framings on anyone. Zionists should not be required to condemn Israel, and people opposed to the Gaza genocide should not have to condemn so-called "antisemitism."
Certainly no one should be harassed or pushed around if they are not currently taking part in an altercation.
Interesting that last Sunday my pastor was teaching on Joshua 13 and we were looking at maps of the land God gave to the Israelites and the areas given by lot to each of the 12 tribes. Notably, the coastal area from north of Tyre and south to Gaza and a smaller area to the west called Golan were shown as still in Philistine hands. God told Joshua and Joshua told the Israelites that the Philistines must not only be driven out but also annihilated due to their grossly sinful religious practices (child sacrifice being among them). They were an abomination on the land, and that's why they were ordered to be killed. But the Israelites were tired of fighting the war and let those people stay in the land against God's direct orders. And they have been a thorn in Israel's side ever since. As far as I know, Israel has not attempted to drive the current descendants of the Philistines off or out of the land since they are still in Gaza and the Golan Heights. So where's the beef? They still have their land AND they want to agitate and obliterate Israel. By my reckoning they have ancient Israel and current Israel to thank for the land they live on and themselves to thank for their misery because they have chosen to hate Israel more than they love their children. Typical of a society rejected by God.
A lot of ethnic and religious changes have taken place over the past three thousand and some years. Yes, the Philistines stayed in their lands in Gaza and a bit north, though I don't know that they ever reached as far north as Tyre or the Golan. Tyre was Phoenician, and the Golan Heights were probably Aramaean, related to Damascus and inland Syria. The Philistines may have originally been Cretans, or settlers in Crete, who returned or invaded the area during the Late Bronze Age collapse, around 1200 BC. They were a strong, warrior people who fought with the Israelites long after the time of Joshua, and dominated them during the period of Eli and Samuel. Saul fought with them, and David mostly beat them down, though they kept their cities along the coast. They stayed their own people at least down to the time that the Romans took over, and the Romans called the whole area "Palestine" after the Philistines, right next to Egypt on the coast, with whom they were most closely in touch.
Under the Romans, after the time of Jesus, the Judeo-Israelite peoples of Judea revolted a couple of times, were crushed, and had a lot of their leading classes deported. These became the nucleus of the later Jewish people, who lived as cosmopolitan diaspora people from then on, and whose numbers were certainly augmented by converts from the peoples they lived among. The people who were left remained Jews for a while, but many eventually converted to Christianity. Later, in the 630s AD, they were conquered along with the rest of the Middle East by the Arabs, who had just been converted to Islam by Muhammad. Over the following centuries, most of them converted to Islam as well, and adopted the dominant Arabic language.
This was still the situation in the early twentieth century. "Palestine" was the region of the Middle East that roughly corresponded to the area of ancient and modern Israel, including the old Philistine region. Its people were Middle Eastern, spoke Arabic, and were mostly Muslim, some Christian, and a few Jewish. They were probably mainly the descendants of the ancient Canaanites and Israelites, who had always lived in that land.
Meanwhile, in Europe, a Jewish nationalist movement arose, called Zionism. The Zionists, speaking for a 2000-year-old diaspora people who were largely European in descent at this time, argued that the Jews should have a physical country of their own, and that that country should be Palestine, the scene of the ancient Israel of their heroic religious past.
After the Second World War, millions of Jews were left displaced, lost, and traumatized. The Zionists organized many of these to move to Palestine and settle there. They had leverage with the dominant Western powers plus war-fighting experience, and were able to beat the Palestinians and the Arab powers that supported them and establish the country of Israel as a Jewish state.
The Palestinians were mostly pushed off their lands into refugee camps, and into the Gaza Strip. The people of Gaza are not just the descendants of the ancient Philistines, but people who were driven off their ancestral lands from all over Palestine/Israel. The rapid or gradual uprooting and dispossession of Palestinians from their land to give to immigrant Jews has been ongoing since the beginning of the state of Israel. Since Israel is founded as a Jewish state, non-Jewish Palestinians have no rights there. They can be robbed, arrested, or murdered at will by the Israeli government, which serves the interests of Jewish settlers. This is the "beef."
My understanding is that there are many Arabic citizens of Israel and as such they have the same rights as all other Israeli citizens. Your last two sentences don't make any sense. There are Muslim mosques in Israel. "Palestinian" people live and work freely as citizens in Israel, as I understand it.
Zionism is a desire to return to the land of the Bible that God gave them. I understand that for some this is not a religious statement or a statement of faith. Too bad for them. And perhaps it is comparable to gentiles thinking they are Christians just because they aren't Jewish even though they have no saving faith in Jesus Christ - just something to grab onto. God will sort them out in the end as to who is what according to His standard.
Yes well we don't know do we which god will sort things out. Even more, the occupation and genocide are legal issues not religious ones. And it seems the original problem was political.
Yes, there are some Arabic-speaking, Muslim or Christian Palestinian citizens of Israel who do have rights, so you are right to call me on that. I believe these were incorporated in the early years when Jewish immigrants were taking over the land, could not easily get rid of them all, and wanted to put on a face of liberal tolerance so the Zionists could make exactly that argument. As I recall, they make up about 20% of the Israeli population. The Zionists do not want the non-Jewish population to get much over that.
There may be a difference between town people and country people who work the land. The people who have suffered most from the Zionist project to settle a long-settled land with Jews would be the farmers, because it is the land that is to be made all Jewish. Cities can tolerate a few exotic foreigners and even let them be citizens, because they are loose and rootless, and can be expelled at any time by a change of the rules.
Much of what is pre-1967 Israel has already been ethnically cleansed on the land, with that 20% Palestinian citizen minority left over. It's the occupied West Bank, whose people have suffered gradual dispossession in favor of Jewish settlers ever since 1967, and the Gaza Strip, which is hemmed in and whose people have been shot, bombed, and terrorized with impunity for decades by Israel, whose people have no rights under dominance by the Jewish state.
Apparently you don't know much about zionism.
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/487655?journalCode=jr
https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Issues/Truth/CallLegacyColonialism/CSO/Al-Haq-Annex-1.pdf
https://www.unz.com/article/israels-biblical-psychopathy/
Thank you
That's a distinction without a difference, an escape clause that allows for anti-Jewish behavior based on a tenet of the Jewish faith. You're saying "I can be anti-Jewish because of the Jews." That is vile and hateful and far worse than the simple word anti-semitic. Zionist is who Jews are because of their religious beliefs. Get over it!
I don’t know what “I can be anti-Jewish because of the Jews” means. I’m not stating my position or arguing. I’m simply pointing out many Jews aren’t Zionists. Many Jews feel no connection to Israel. Many Jews feel criticizing the policies of the Israeli government is fair game, and not anti-semitism. (Bullying and violence are something else completely). Also many Jews disagree on what being Jewish means. Jews are simply not a monolithic block of one opinion or perspective. And let’s not forget Isreali people are not the Israeli govt and vice versa
None of this would be an issue if Harvard would simply bend the knee to Israel. Then we could get back to business as usual
Oh aren't you clever
If I could weaponize my suffering to give me virtuous authority, I would. If I could weaponize the authority of the bible, I would. Alas I can not. All I can weaponize are words.
Yes, those kids at college being surrounded and screamed at are "weaponizing their suffering" by speaking up about it.
Glad to see you're up on the newest jargon designed to help Jew haters in their campaign to vilify and attack Israel and its people.
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I hate Israel. So my weapons are aimed accordingly.
Too bad for the Jews that Israel conflates the enemies of Israel as enemies of Judaism.
Contrast to how the US doesn't conflate the enemies of the US as enemies of Christianity.
Alas both countries are otherwise the same, e.g. conflating their enemies as terrorists. You might tell from that that my campaign isn't only against Israel.
I appreciate you admitting that you hate the Jewish state, it is clarifying.
"US doesn't conflate the enemies of the US as enemies of Christianity"
I don't want to play this popular shell game where people claim to hate Israel but not Jews, I'll just say the opponents of the Jewish state utilize double standards against it and seem to have a vehement hatred for it that they have for no other country—also it is quite remarkable that the state set up by history's most despised minority just happens to be the world's most vilified country. Quelle coincidence!
Also, America was not founded as a homeland for Christians (who have many countries), whereas there is one small Jewish state, built by refugees of an actual genocide.
But I'm happy to be corrected and admit I was wrong. Your initial claim was that the kids at Harvard were " weaponiz[ing their] suffering to give [them] virtuous authority", which is pretty cynical and is never said about any other minority. So please tell me, is there any legitimate way Jews can fight back against anti-Semitism? What should they have done differently to not "weaponize their suffering"? Or should they just sit quietly and admit they deserve it?
Please enlighten me.
It would not be coincidence if oppression of a group was used to push people to do something supposedly in favor of that group, or if the 'favor' was something that no other group has (like its own country).
And I can think of another minority who, people think, is weaponizing its suffering for authority - which suggests this has happened many times.
How does anybody fight back when authority isn't on their side? Seems like that question has been answered through the ages.
Now when it comes to Palestinians vs Israel, which side is authority on?
And when it comes to students vs Israel, which side is authority on?
This was never about students vs Jews. Stop using the Jews for your war campaign.
Does your bigotry keep you warm at night?
Racist trash.
Good luck in your campaign. I will continue in mine.
I like the "Timelines". They help me clarify my thinking.
I wholeheartedly agree! Unlike Matt, I don't devote my life to keeping up with the details of every "hot topic". So yes, I appreciate the summarized details.
F$&k Harvard. Clowns.