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Schiff Tingolposts's avatar

Ok - does 'systematic identity-based killing of an ethnic or cultural group' work?

Sorry for being misinformed - I didn't realize that using a dictionary instead of something more nuanced was a mistake.

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Clever Pseudonym's avatar

"systematic killing" is a synonym for war.

Hamas just revised their death count, 50k people, 70% adult males:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hamas-quietly-drops-thousands-deaths-122557133.html

"Genocide" is an evil slander that has no basis in reality.

Killing 50k out of 2 million gets nowhere near any kind of "genocide", there are no mass graves or other mass atrocities that have been the hallmark of past genocides, and this would have to be the only genocide in history that could end immediately if the losers simply surrendered.

Hamas started this war, broke a ceasefire, hides in mosques and hospitals, uses their people as human shields, and explictly states they hope to create as many "martyrs" as possible.

Just because you hate Israel doesn't mean they're committing any kind of "genocide".

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Schiff Tingolposts's avatar

Um, your source says that 72% are males as old as 55 and as young as 13! Also, any reader trying to separate facts from allegations would see most of the piece as blatant propaganda, which suits me fine.

Perhaps Hamas uses human shields - idk - but isnotreal bombs just the same. For example, even the West claims that mass graves exist at a hospital isnotreal attacked (and one wonders why some of the bodies lack clothing)!

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/04/1148876

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Clever Pseudonym's avatar

"Citing the local health authorities in Gaza..." aka Hamas, which means both that it's totally unreliable and also that these people could have just died in the hospital or been killed by Hamas, who execute political opponents:

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/hamas-executes-6-gazans-flogs-people-in-public-to-quell-anti-hamas-protests-importance-gaza-war-israel-2701691-2025-03-31

"Perhaps Hamas uses human shields - idk" It is a documented fact, admitting by its own leadership, that they treat their people as human shields:

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/11/01/hamas-officials-admit-its-strategy-is-to-use-palestinian-civilians-as-human-shields/

But regardless of any claims, nothing gets you to a factual, legitimate claim of GENOCIDE.

In the Armenian genocide of 1915-16, somewhere north of 600k people were killed.

In the Rwandan genocide somewhere north of 500k people were killed in ten days.

And of course in the Jewish genocide by the Nazis 6 million were killed. (Which is why the opponents of Israel cry "genocide!", to strip Israel and Jews of any moral legitimacy as a persecuted minority group.)

50k deaths in a defensive war over 18 mos is nowhere near any kind of genocide. It's an evil slander.

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Schiff Tingolposts's avatar

Palestine is occupied - isnotreal is fighting against the resistance. Plus, I thought proponents of this 'war' say it's all about 7 Oct - an incursion that isnotreal knew about a year in advance! This doesn't sound like defensive war.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html

And while I'm not saying that something's a genocide based just on the killings, some events are apparently debated as genocide with comparable death/population ratios (your numbers suggest a Palestinian ratio of 4% - and the slaughter isn't over), so 'nowhere near any kind of genocide' feels suspicious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides

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Orenv's avatar

You have to use the whole dictionary. Not excerpts that fit your desires.

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