What’s the point of this new, presumably expensive 50% effective drug when cheap easily available Ivermectin has been proven, over and over, to be 80-90% effective in reducing Covid complications and death? Hell, they gave it out to just about everybody in India and it worked like a charm.
Because Trump. He’s a bloviating, crass man, but right about all of our rot. They hate him because he doesn’t play their pseudo-sophisticated games; he may be a narcissist too, but they are sociopaths or groveling climbers more than willing to play this sociopathic game. The social culture in this nation is deteriorating by the day.
you're right about Trump...but things he is not is 1) a communist 2) a racist 3) part of the new world order...i'll take that over this shit-show any day.
I don't think you know what a communist is. I suggest you look it up in a dictionary. We don't even have anyone actually left wing in this country, let alone a communist or a socialist. Check out politicalcompass.com and find out what constitutes left wing right wing authoritarian or libertarian. All American politicians cluster up in the authoritarian right wing, both parties.
I am quite well versed on what a communist is...clearly you aren't. I have spent a lot of time in China, Russia, Cuba, and Eastern block European countries. I also studied it at Northwestern and Harvard. Had a trip planned to go to Pyongyang in 2020 but couldn't go because of covid. I have studied communism for 30 years...but thanks for the trite website to clarify what communism is. Please share with me your expansive knowledge so I can better understand.
Only an American right-winger would pass off a covid-canceled trip to Pyongyang and a "lot of time [spent] in China, Russia, Cuba, and Eastern block ("bloc"---30 years of study and none of your fellow scholars ever had the courtesy to whisper in your ear "lose the K"?) European countries" as bona fides for Red Spotting Expertise.
It's estimated that there are no more than a few thousand self-identifying "marxists" currently residing in the U.S. The vast majority of them, I'm sure, wherever they are, safely adhering to the sumptuary laws of middle America---Dockers, pleated khakis, blue 60/40 cotton-polyester blend, button-down oxfords, tastefully---if not absentmindedly---frayed about the collar, and by all accounts up to less mischief and alarming fewer people than the average insurance claims adjuster.
Unquestionably there are impressive numbers of teenagers self-identifying as "communists" in all 50 states, but that probably is an inevitable reaction to mom and dad's notoriously repressive, hard-right, authoritarian regime in place at home.
One need not consult Ms. Hagge's "trite website" to understand that, for example, the "leftiest" of the "left" of any democratic party member in the U.S., or any American politician who considers himself or herself a viable candidate for political office, would be categorized in any other civilized western nation as a slightly eccentric middle-of-the-road burgher given to sartorially mixing birkenstocks and seersucker suits, referencing Isaiah Berlin and quoting Philip Larkin ad nauseam, and probably a dabbler in eastern orthodox christianity on the weekends--a sort of "kooky" yet undeniably kind-hearted citizen perpetually engaged in heading up quixotic schemes to save and restore the cobblestone streets in the "old city."
One might as well be on the hunt for a flock of passenger pigeons in the U.S. than a cadre of "communists."
Mine and my husband’s families fled the Soviet Union.It’s a very clever con, promising inclusion, freedom from persecution and equal rights, fighting the oppressors. And those who buy in, having suffered real persecution and oppression, are the first to suffer persecution and oppression far worse than they’d suffered prior.
LOL. Ignorant AND rude. There is NO one in Biden's group that is even left wing, let alone "communist." A communist "banking watchdog"--that's a good one. What would be the policies of a communist banking watchdog, I wonder? Again, you don't have the faintest idea what communism is. Why don't you tell us what you think it is, and how this woman personifies it?
"We don't even have anyone actually left wing in this country, let alone a communist or a socialist."
Agreed.
That's happened because Marx hijacked the normative part of Leftism in the mid-19th century and turned it into totalitarianism, with its adoption method of brute force, thus abandoning (all while giving lip service to) democracy, with its method of persuasion. Worked splendidly for warmongering -- governing, not so much. Totalitarianism, understandably, soured in the intervening century and a half. Now the "Marxist" and "communist" brands are ruined beyond repair.
But fear not, the powers that be are at it again in the West! The're trying out a new brand of totalitarianist righteousness, based on dividing the population by immutable characteristics, rather than using the unreliable shapeshifting protaletariat. "Surely we can hijack... um, rally... enough troops now!"
If people wanted totalitarianism, it would come roaring back -- whatever you wanted to call it. But people are not insect colonies.
Okay, I'm not going to get sucked into this fantasy, but I will just say that anyone who has actually read Marx would never make such a statement. Yes, we are experiencing totalitarianism in this country right now, but no--it has nothing to do with Marxism. It is in fact corporatocracy, the complete melding of corporations and the state, which is fascism, not communism. Basic misunderstanding of terms.
Hagge's link is instructive: a website which presumes to measure thought! Welcome to dumbed down America, where the trivial masquerades as the serious. Because we cannot read books and assimilate facts, let alone detect nuance. And common humanity, decency - and heaven forbid a sense of humour - are way beyond us. Gotta have that "model"! Gotta have that "narrative"!
You are a commie, no you are a Nazi. Let us use simplistic and improperly applied labels to demonstrate the paucity of our analysis. That's ok, they love it when you use these terms. it makes them safe from any real insight and thus action with real consequences. I think Marx's philosophy has many interesting and useful insights, but analyzing our present society using the Communist Manifesto is ludicrous.
You're right, he's not a communist, just like everyone else in our government. He does however, and has for the last 10 years or so, collected $2 million a year leasing office space in Trump Tower to The largest bank in The People's Republic of China, The Commercial and Industrial Bank of China, which, the last time I checked, was majority state owned, and regardless of what % it may now own, obviously controls what that bank does, they being both the only party and the official government of that country. Put bluntly, Trump gets paid by Communists, hardly a rarity among US businesses and businessmen, both Donald and his daughter being chump change among that lot, what with their other various products made over there being cheap consumer goods, compared to Ford, GM, Apple, Tesla etc.
Trump was right in much of his critique of US elites, but in his own small way, he behaved just as they did when it involved his own personal benefit.
I just got back from seeing a great movie documentary about the income/class inequality in the PRC, called, "Ascendance". Highly recommended.
To your point, yes, and let's please remember that the same political class, of both parties, but more Repubs than Dems, that touted the opening up of the PRC to trade, ending in passing PNTR for the PRC, saying it would make relations between us closer, when all it was was way to make their corporate donors/owners even richer and faster, are now busily forgetting all that and saying that country is a threat to us, that threat being military, of course, all these draft dodgers/combat virgins understand, and not the economic rival they are, thanks to we both know who's help.
Naturally, our corporate owned media will never bring this embarrassing point up, as it might cost them access, both to insider info and delightful soirees on the Upper West Side, not to mention The Hamptons and Martha's Vineyard.
He's in the power-position as landlord, taking their money. Sounds really weak and corrupt to me. Were you around during his presidency? The one thing for which he was universally praised was standing against China.
Meaning he's exactly like everyone else; if it benefitted him, it was OK to do business with The People's Republic of China. Of course, it wasn't limited to that; both he and his daughter have outsourced production to the PRC, though on a small scale compared to our patriotic capitalist corporations.
You might also recall that he lifted sanctions he had put on a Chinese telecom company that had violated an embargo he had put on countries doing business with Iran or North Korea, as I recall, that Chinese company then on the brink of bankruptcy as a result of his earlier sanction against them, and lo and behold, his daughter was granted several more copyrights in the PRC, pure coincidence, I'm sure.
No doubt, had Bernie Sanders done business in any form with any Chinese entity, even one majority owned by a Communist government, you'd be the first to defend him.
As for Trump standing up to the PRC, I applaud him for that, at least as it relates to trade. For over 30 years, I've told people how foolish and short sighted it is to outsource production to places like the PRC, but these people, many of whom I know voted for Trump, would always say that American workers were lazy and wanted too much money, and they should learn to compete against other countries. Come today, and those same people, now the target of that kind of thinking, cry wolf, all a bit too late.
In other respects, Trump is late to the party about standing against the PRC. Warmonger Obama began the policy of confronting the PRC, first with his corporate wet dream, the TPP and then with a shifting of US military resources to counter the PRC, a policy Trump and now Biden have continued. The PRC, you see, are now the next target of the crumbling US Empire, and it is they who will serve as the bogeyman for the next round of useless weapons systems to feed the Military, Industrial, Congressional, Media Complex.
Nothing will fundamentally change until it all collapses.
P.S. I just saw a tremendous documentary, "Ascendance" which depicts the growing income and class divide in the PRC, with no narration, just the Chinese of different walks of life doing all the talking as they make things, or among the upper classes, how they spend their time.
Trump could break the system by shifting gears and inviting every American of every stripe to join in the movement and depoliticize the partisan ball and chain
Trump should have stood on his bully pulpit surrounded by every whistleblower and exposed the whole goddamned thing when he had the chance. There was only so more they could threaten, persecute and sabotaged him before he could take them all down.
The Indian province of Uttar Pradesh has completely rid itself of covid by treating its population of 240 million with ivermectin which costs around one dollar per treatment.
Not just uttar pradesh, india generally. A few holdout states are following US procesure and are fetting plowed by covid. the indian version of the bar association is suing the indian woman who is head of, uh, who? for her demonstrably false statements on ivermectin and formally recommended criminal charges to the national government.
Also, if they were to use an old drug, they would lose their emergency use status for rushing through their new drug, which costs a bundle. Get it? Drug companies do this more times than not--a drug is off patent, so they screw around with it a little, call it new, get a new patent and charge $1000 a pill for it. Seriously, they do this 80% of the time, and usually the new drug is no better than the old one. Read any book about the pharma industry.
This actually is a new antiviral, developed not by Merck but by a small biolab that was ignored for months while Pfizer, Moderna, et al. swallowed billions of "taxpayer" money insisting it was get vaccinated or die with the help of the feds and the media. Now it's finally registering there are actually people who won't be terrified into doing something they prefer not to do, the antiviral is announced then immediately condemned because its price was inflated by 4000% as the feds write the check to buy up a slew of it for $714 for a five-day treatment regimen. Oh, and Pfizer is now releasing information about the effectiveness of natural immunity, which you may recall it was not long ago insisting wasn't sufficient and would require at least two shots of a vaccine that will (surprise!) likely need a booster every 6-8 months because it's really just a preventative not an actual vaccine. 🙄
I used herbal healing when Covid came knocking on our door. When the pandemic first revved up I dreamed about this cure. It worked beautifully along with prayer and priesthood blessings.
Not really, no. Ivermectin is almost 3 times the molecular weight of Molnupiravir; it's actually a fairly large molecule. They don't look anything alike either, molnupiravir looks like it is probably derived from modifying a sugar like glucose.
Except ivermectin doesn’t cure or prevent Covid so what you're saying makes no sense. UP beat Covid with an extensive vaccination and track and test program. Same thing the WHO recommends. And fwiw Merck manufacturers ivermectin. I guess they’re conspiring against themselves.
They still do make money from it, but since anyone can make it now, that money is declining. If they promoted it, they would lose their emergency use status for their new, more expensive drug that they are bringing out much too fast.
120 drug trials say you're wrong. You haven't read the actual science--you've just believed a media shill, a media that depends on pharma for 80% of its funding. Check PubMed for yourself and look at meta-analyses.
That article is a couple weeks old and says there are 18M people fully vaccinated (~10%). The 100M is the total doses, which matches roughly the other trackers I can find. So comparatively less vaccinated than America, no matter how you cut it.
Some of the people distributing Ivermectin in Uttar Pradesh work for the WHO. Similarly, on the FDA's own official Youtube channel they host the video from this past September's vaccine and booster review where they discuss Ivermectin's success in India:
^ the part I am referring to is somewhere about 4 hours and 5 to 20 minutes in, you can just adjust the scroll a little before there and skip to it if you would like to check. These are the FDA's own approved panel of experts reviewing the vaccine results this year sometime around September 12th-14th.
But the point of fact is: behind closed doors and out of the media eye, a number of the big experts both at the FDA and WHO think there is definitely something positive to Ivermectin in regards to combating Covid, to the point where the WHO themselves is delivering it to some places with low vaccination rates like Uttar Pradesh. Similarly just a month or so ago the two leading biologics (includes vaccines) heads at the FDA resigned because they thought the vaccines are being pushed by the CDC, the media, and Biden administration harder than the existing data warranted at this time and didn't want their multi-decade reputations associated with what could be the fallout. Apparently the former heads of vaccines at the FDA are "anti-vaxers" if the standard rubric is to be believed. These *ARE* the experts we are supposed to listen to, don't *YOU* believe the science?
You're repeating Big Pharma propaganda. Here's a major review study that finds the opposite,credit John Hohn up above, listed on the NIH: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34469921/
As I said up there, we're all being gaslit by the industry and, to their eternal shame, the Democrats.
Do you honestly believe that the commenters here are so stupid that they cannot see through your psychologically dishonest, manipulative bs? Lol, you’re giving all of us a pretty good laugh with your insipidity and inanity. Keep going! At least it’s somewhat tepidly amusing on the amuso-meter.
I would bet there is ivermectin's twin in this pill; the Finns just began distributing their version and it DOES have ivermectin. The Finns, who don't make a profit from medicines, are allowing the pills because they do see a significant drop in hospitalizations and serious illnesses when taken at the onset. People smell "conspiracy" or "collusion" because nothing has been transparent since the emergence of this variant of covid -- not its origins, not statistics regarding deaths (no deaths from the other flus that kill thousands each year?), not the efficacy nor serious side effects of the vaccine. Why keep the public in a panic when a pill could calm things down significantly? All part of the covid mystery.
I make no judgement about Ivermectin other than it is so shrouded in claims and counter-claims and accusations of fraud on both sides of the question, that it is impossible to really know.
The patent, but issuance of the drug in the US -- has it begun, or is it pending? Ican only say this: I'll take the pill if it is available and if I get the illness despite my vaccine, which is possible as I have zero antibodies 4 months after vaccination.
The point is profit. The Pfizermectin covid pill which will be comprised of ivermectin and zinc will cost $87 per pill and 35 pills will be required for early treatment of covid.
Yeah, but that's from July. Where's something new to back it up? It smells of "confirmation bias" to me since the NIH has plenty of studies saying Ivermectin doesn't work.
I agree. The reason why ivermectin is being handed out in a pricy new pill, when Big Pharma had to have know how effective the drug was all by its own inexpensive self, is that they were working on their pill with that as its active ingredient, another get-rich quick scheme.
The vax is free and close to 100% effective so they opt for a pill that costs over $700 and is less than 50% effective. People are not dying of the virus,. They are dying of stupidity. Is that a bad thing?
WHAT? Effective for what? It doesn't keep you from spreading it or keep you from getting it for more than a couple of months--seriously, some countries are reporting people getting breakthrough infections eight weeks after the second shot. The more countries vax, the more their cases rise--this is true all over the world. The higher the vax rate, the higher the deaths from breakthrough infections. Have you looked at ANY data? Also, how is it free? It comes out of your tax dollars, and then pads the pockets of the big pharma investors.
My brother-in-law's aunt was fully vaccinated. She felt safe. Then she died of Covid. They blamed her baby granddaughter for giving it to her and the baby's parents because the baby was the only one not vaccinated. The baby never got sick. But, people want to hold on to their beliefs. They wanted to believe in the vaccine even as the vaccine failed them all.
"The higher the vax rate, the higher the deaths from breakthrough infections." That's a tautological argument. It has to be true no matter what - whether vaccines are effective or not.
Your point being apparently that we don't base our decisions on data or observable facts. Of course facts can be manipulated; of course sometimes something that seems factual later changes, so our notions change, but all we can do is base our actions on what we observe now. If you don't do that I don't know what to tell you. Do you just tell yourself a story?
No, we shouldn't base major life decisions "on what we observe now". We should base them on conclusions drawn by studying a wide range of information from reliable, verified, qualified sources. Which the media, corporate and social, are not, and never have been.
What can we really observe ourselves? Mostly, we hear stories from others, and make decisions on whom to trust. Sometimes, those stories involve contradictions, which are useful indicators that people are telling lies.
Didn't require a rocket surgeon to figure out that the vaccine, if effective at the rates they stated, would exercise a powerful selection for virus variants that were not affected as much by the vaccine.
The vaccine isn't free, which is another lie the media keep feeding people they lap up without taking time to question how Pfizer et al. drove their revenue up by double-digit billions these last two years. The vaccine is being paid for by the federal government, and they are paying whatever the manufacturers choose to put on the price-tag. Indeed, the fact that the vaccines are "free from the government" is likely a major reason why so many are adamant they won't have it.
"'free from the government' is likely a major reason why so many are adamant they won't have it." If you are correct, then the plan to have the virus eradicate the stupid is working.
Yeah, well, that kind of smug, elitist regurgitation of the establishment narrative regarding anyone who won't immediately bow to the authority and greater wisdom of their betters is another good reason why the "deplorables" distrust those demanding they get the vaccine or else.
Because the new drug can drag in hella huge profits for Merck and all the other little peons who kiss the butt of the rich folks hoping to "get" somewhere. A story from The Intercept said, "A FIVE-DAY COURSE of molnupiravir, the new medicine being hailed as a “huge advance” in the treatment of Covid-19, costs $17.74 to produce, according to a report issued last week by drug pricing experts at the Harvard School of Public Health and King’s College Hospital in London. Merck is charging the U.S. government $712 for the same amount of medicine, or 40 times the price."
Ivermectin? It's around six cents a pill. Also, this "vaccine" was issued under EUA. The biggest rule there is that there can NOT be another drug that would work as effective treatment. So it won't matter how safe or effective, how many lives are saved with it, government is not going to let it go. Look up Dr. Paul Marik. The man is a medical genius. He has a four page CV in all the things. He's a prof. In a teaching college in Virginia that shares the property of the hospital where he was working as the Chief of the Critical Care Unit and he's insanely high on the list of tip doctors in the WORLD. NEVER HAD A LAWSUIT, NEVER A COMPLAINT in his DECADES of practice. He just sued his hospital for forbidding the use of Ivermectin to save the patient who is basically left to die.
The kicker? The very weekend he was forbidden to use it, 4 of his patients died. If there is not some sort of large scale protest that gets attention from the asshats pulling all the strings, to remind the government WHO put it where it is and get the power back to PEOPLE,b our kids are definitely screwed.
I am in the process of reading Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s "The Real Anthony Fauci". This is really required reading. If you think that sociopaths have been running the show for a while, you would be quite correct. Fauci and Gates have killed a lot of people. Intentionally.
I highly recommend the read. Three dollars on Amazon via Kindle. Just getting through the first chapter is enough to make the case.
Even though Matt has written about the politicization of ivermectin, he said something on the Useful Idiots podcast to the effect that he had not much regard for it. This makes me think that he hasn't really studied it, which makes me sad because his statement influences others in their attitudes. This excellent video discusses how Uttar Pradesh crushed Covid. https://youtu.be/eO9cjy3Rydc
"Ivermectin has been used in humans for 35 years and over 4 billion doses have been administered. Merck, the original patent holder, donated 3.7 billion doses to developing countries. In 2015 the two individuals who developed Ivermectin were awarded a Nobel Prize for medicine. While known primarily as an anti-parasitic, Ivermectin has powerful anti-viral and anti-inflammatory properties. Its safety is documented at doses twenty times the normal. Only 19 deaths are known...In January this year (2021), the several months long, Ivermectin research, meta-analysis of Randomized Control Trials (RCT), commissioned by WHO was released. The paper showed that Ivermectin reduces death by 74% and is 85% effective as prophylaxis."
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Instead, it was vilified as "horse paste" by MSM, banned as a treatment for covid and doctors severely punished for prescribing it. Odd.
Don't mention Ivermectin; it'll upset the vaccine rollout - BizNews.com
As we know, world class doctors such as Peter McCullough have been pleading with health and govt authorities to authorize Ivermectin and other well established treatments that when properly administered would have saved countless lives, egs., hydroxychloroquine, Budesonide, quercetin, azithromycin, dexamethasone, fluvoxamine, monoclonal antibodies, zinc, Vitamin D&C:
Lack of Covid-19 Treatments: Peter McCullough, MD testifies to Texas Senate HHS Committee.
A thinking person might wonder whether there is an ulterior motive given that the EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) for the mRNA vaccines could only be granted under FDA rules if there were NO EFFECTIVE ALTERNATIVE TREATMENTS. And coincidentally the global health authorities IN CONCERT imposed harsh penalties upon any doctor prescribing ANY of these treatments for covid - some having been used effectively for decades - and the global media censored and ridiculed these treatments and slandered any doctors mentioning them. Odd.
Magically Merck has conjured up a "miracle pill" that seems to do exactly what IVERMECTIN does and has the other magical quality of materializing Scrooge bins full of cash. Odd.
Hope someone does an analysis/comparison of this "I can't believe it's not Ivermectin" miracle pill with Ivermectin.
If you follow the links in the BizNews article it seems there is a problem with the study cited. Apparently they are awaiting an "update" on the meta study.
yes, absolutely. That is why Florida set up drive through sites for those who test positive and they can have the antiviral therapeutics delivered, but I guess it is with injections still. The pills would be faster. I'm not sure if Florida's drug therapy includes ivermectin, but it has been tremenously successful in bringing down hospitalizations -- lower every day.
And they gave it out in far more areas than just India and the same thing happened. When I posted the news of it on Facebook (I'm not a business so it was a personal page) they blocked the picture and said it was false, but the "fact check" moron just put his opinion full of likely and may be in n it's place
That’s the exact point. If people are able to use cheap, effective repurposed drugs, the “ pandemic” and the hysteria would be long over and the ruling class would be powerless. And reap the blame and punishment so long overdue
LOL! It's always a fucking conspiracy thing with you people! There was zero proof that any of those drugs provided any benefit. That evidence is built up from trials in which data is kept, not anecdotal stories, such as the call in this paper: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0883944120303907.
I read the original papers the posited that chloroquine provided a benefit and there wasn't much backup, which indicated that more studies were needed, as mentioned in the article that I linked to.
That said, vaccines are a known issue and they work for most people because they do precisely what pathogens do, they get the immune system to build up a defense, but without the illness. However, some people have immune systems that do not respond, but that will happen when they get infected too.
The point is to up the count of “ Covid infections and Covid deaths”. Most which are false positives, in no way Covid related, instead, influenza, elderly people with every imaginable comorbidity, vaccine induced hospitalizations and waiting until their lungs are so inflamed, they are intimated, which is exactly what should never happen. The intubation is antithetical to treating lung inflammation when the lungs are twice their size and weight, hardened by density. It’s tantamount to shoving a pylon between a pair of overfilled water balloons encased in a too small box. This goes way beyond medical malpractice. It is psychpathic, purposeful sadism
You are so far gone it isn't funny. There was zero "point" to "up the count".
Dr. Griffen, a doctor in NYC, is on This Week in Virology (microbe.tv/twiv) and discussed ventilator use and how bad it was a while back. He said that ventilators proved a problem and that there were far better results by keeping people off of them for as long as possible. There wasn't malpractice, there was a learning curve that led doctors to make that conclusion.
YES - on Big Pharma and insurance industry -- authentic American Mafia.
H. pylori is a PERFECT example. A friend's wife was taking stomach acid pills for years. When he suggested a test for H. pylori bacteria her doctor was outraged. But -- she tested positive and -- has been cured -- a doctor and insurance industry "lost" a profitable patient...
Big Pharma, BTW, for years attacked Australian doctor as a charlatan and a swindler - until their patents expired and than promptly introduced "superior" antibiotic mix...
Yup. Let's face it, the media, govt and pharmas don't want this little show to go away. Certain industries currently receiving subsidies (or just plain graft), as well as titans like Amazon and Walmart are also loathe to walk away from the biggest boost to their bottom lines since who knows when. Of course, our whole society can permanently go down the shitter with long term unemployment and mammoth deficit spending, and there won't be any way out that aren't worse (war, fragmentation, even fewer human rights).
If any alien ships come here with a half decent offer to leave, I'm taking it.
"Whistleblower" Frances Haugen is a vital media and political asset because she advances their quest for greater control over online political discourse.
Democrats and Media Do Not Want to Weaken Facebook, Just Commandeer its Power to Censor - by Glenn Greenwald - Glenn Greenwald (substack.com)
(NOTE: She is being "guided" by a long-term Obama operative)
A shady Facebook 'whistleblower' wants more censorship -- Grayzone
DNC and Deep State are playing us like a violin.... They like and NEED the incompetent clown Trump to stay on stage -- the only way they will stay in power.
If you go to Jon Rappaport's web site, I think the interview was on Oct.7.I tried to copy the link, but I was unable to. Interview with Christine Massey.
"After nearly two years of this how can you not be unreservedly convinced there's something truly sinister going on with this Covid hysteria?"
Exactly. COVID vaccine mandates for 100% compliance aren't public health or medical solutions. That's only the lever by which they are sold to us. They are clearly population control solutions. The full meaning of these may take time for us to learn.
The primary general purpose of the mandates is to normalize high-volume bodily-invasive access by the government. Maybe the current specific purposes are some currently unpublished effects of the mRNA solution, or maybe they are going to be something else in the future. Use your imagination -- the spooks and other monsters who run our world sure do -- and they put their ideas into practice. Of course, there are the more obvious additional benefits for pharmaceutical rentiers.
Normalization worked wonders for surveillance. Are we still complaining that everything transmitted electronically is being stored and has been for at least a decade and a half? You at least remember that one, don't you? It also worked wonders for land enclosure laws. Do we ever complain that we (in the West) are born paying rent on the ground we were dropped on, rather than our being granted a reasonable entitlement as our natural inheritance? That started hundreds of years ago. You don't give that one a thought, do you? It was already normalized when the US founders wrote the Declaration of Independence and Constitution. *That's* why it is missing, even though it is foundational to living in freedom.
You gotta be kidding. The vaccines are the way for most people to avoid the risk of severe Covid-19 and death from Covid-19, nothing more, nothing sinister. You have to educate yourself because your post is utter nonsense or is that it's purpose?
Nope. I certainly have educated myself. I'm not even arguing about the efficacy of the current vaccines. In case you haven't noticed, that is not my point.
The demonization of all non-vaccine preventative treatments, the widespread censorship of publications and comments (even by doctors and scientists!) questioning COVID management protocols, the numerous disingeuous (and even admitted) goalpost movements, the media canonization of a political creature who failed to attack AIDS in the 1980s, the money involved, and many other anomalies, point to ONE thing above all others: The gov/media/medical authorities CANNOT be trusted. Certainly, about ANYTHING related to COVID.
Despite the mantra "trust the science" and warning us of the imminent "death of democracy", the behaviors listed above are antithetical to BOTH science AND democracy. No, the rebellion didn't emerge after the election of Donald Trump, and it wasn't prompted by several thousand Russian Facebook ads.
There really *is* a limit to how long unending sophistry will fly -- and we're fast approaching it.
"The demonization of all non-vaccine preventative treatments, the widespread censorship of publications..."
That's just false. If you read the actual research and listened to people involved in it you'd see that there is no demonization nor censorship, just a discussion of safety and efficacy and perhaps a discussion of the politization of science.
If there are problems, among the top ones are a) the GOP and its anti-science, anti-intellectual, anti-expert, etc position that has politicized the entire discussion and (b) the ignorance of the media about virology, immunology, epidemiology, etc that creates confusion from their inaccuracy and the false claim that there are "two sides" to the discussion.
Bullshit. The best you can say is that politically-correct "experts" sometimes paraphrased, and commented on (what I imagine you mean by "discussion"), the opponents' POVs -- WITHOUT letting them speak for themselves, and more importantly, following through with truly *interactive* discussions. You know, the way they do in science, and in democracies worthy of the name.
This COVID project was -- and continues to be -- gaslighting of the highest degree.
OK, you show me an example. I see none. I see discussions of the claims made by people versus what the official claims are, what the studies actually show and what the experience of medical professionals are.
There is no "covid project", there is Covid-19. The gaslighting is from you conspiracy theorists, including politicians with axes to grind.
After reading through the comments in this thread, I can only lament how the level of discourse on Matt’s Substack has fallen through the basement floor.
Yeah, looks like a handful of people got involved in a boring foodfight. It's generally best to just read the top-level comments. You can close the replies by clicking on the leftmost vertical bar on the left. Also, try sorting by "newest first." Any early comment that has a hint of "yay team" to it will get a ton of upvotes, so the "top comments" are sometimes pretty awful. Not always, though.
By not getting hysterical about Covid hysteria. Americans do his shit to themselves and then blame sinister forces, a implicit dodge of responsibility.
Nothing any more sinister than the GOP's politization of everything that started with Nixon over blacks and college kids, the bulk of the antiwar protesters, in his "war on drugs" and his Southern Strategy; This political theater is simply a continuation of the GOP's anti-intellectualism, anti-expert program to rile up their ill-informed, poorly educated base in their us versus them worldview in which they are being victimized by liberals, they are, but it is their libertarian comrades. Conservatism is a problem that we've refused to call out.
Hmm. I see what you mean. Conservatives aren't really people; you know, in the sense of being allowed to choose a fitting lifestyle, and voting on it. Whatever their reasons. Maybe you have a modest proposal to do something about them?
Promote education, post links to valid sources of information, confront lies, ignorance and stupidity. There's no excuse for what is happening in the US now, except for willful stupidity, divisiveness and conflict.
Scientists have arguments all the time, but they're fact based, about the evidence. Common people need to move in that direction if we are to solve problems, or maybe that's the objective of the GOP, cause enough confusion with the poorly educated that their donors aren't affected. That would be the conspiracy here, make government incompetent and incapable enough to allow the wealthy to do what they want.
The establishment has already been "[p]romot[ing] education, post links to valid sources of information, confront lies, ignorance and stupidity" -- by my count, for more than a half century. This occurred through (currently salient again) case of racial discrimination remediation. I know, because I've lived through it.
What is now painfully obvious is that EITHER the method (promoting, and now ratcheting up, liberal racial education policy) is failing, OR the explanation (America in 2021 is still horrifically racist) is false, OR BOTH. However, the establishment will give up neither.
So ... how do you believe thinking Americans familiar with its history are going to take the establishment's so-called "[p]romot[ing] education, post links to valid sources of information, confront lies, ignorance and stupidity" with regard to COVID? BTW, already going on now for a year and a half, by the way, with little to show for it? What gives??
Maybe in the process you could you explain to me how this alleged "willful stupidity, divisiveness and conflict" come into being in the first place? Because if the actual intent is to change minds, the method has been demonstrated irrational. Something ELSE is preventing the change you seek. What is it?
Oh boy - and St. Miller didn't hear you and couldn't find anything. And -- only one person indicted - a lawyer for Hillary.
You need to see a doctor -- to pull your head out of your ass...
One still little recognized fact is just how much has CIA/DNC thoroughly corrupted previously "independent" media, e.g., TYT (Cenk+Ana), Democracy-Now!, Mother Jones, many other (TYT owners are now millionaires, e.g.) -- note their total silence or badmouthing of the publisher of the century and leading free-speech advocate, Assange. They are now loudspeakers for CIA/DNC propaganda -- corrupted by tens of million dollars from the infinite CIA budget.
The danger to CIA/DNC lies and fabrications is NOT only of fully unmasking the now 5-year long Russia-gate hoax. Another major and ultra-dangerous to foreign policy is unmasking of 17-year long war against secular and socialist Syria.
In this war against Syria CIA has closely collaborated with -- Al Qaeda ( !! ) -- including in the huge "White Helmets" scam. Note that ALL chemical attacks were staged by CIA/Al Qaeda as it is now fully demonstrated by OPCW whistleblowers. Note how TYT (Ana and Cenk) are now maximally activated (always without a single counterargument) against massive documentation on Syria-hoax by outstanding investigations by Grayzone.
The Russia-gate hoax and impeachment “entertainments” were concocted by Obama/Hillary/Biden/Pelosi, Schumer, etc. and their intelligence and DNC executives on behalf of their Wall Street and military industry donors. That lying team is now back in full power -- even Kamala Harris (and her sister) is Hillary's protégé.
Remember, Clapper, Brennan & Hayden trio were among former Obama 50 intelligence officials stating that Hunter-laptop is classical “Russian disinformation”.
- They were also key promoters of the three-year Russia-gate hoax.
- They were also key intelligence executives in Obama/Biden/Hillary government – the government which hunted Snowden (forcing Bolivian plane with Bolivia’s president to land to search it) and armed Al Qaeda (including “white helmets” hoax) and staged all chemical attacks in Syria to remove its government.
When asked about Hunter's laptops Pelosi stated "All roads lead to Putin"; commenting on Capitol invasion Schumer said - "worse than Pearl Harbor and 9/11"...
And -- Assange must be silenced -- all the players agree. Deranged Trump was too incompetent to realize how important was pardoning Assange now that the old lying team is back in full power again; instead he pardoned Black Water criminals who massacred Iraqis in Bagdad’s Nisour square.
I think that DNC and Deep State are playing us like a violin. They like and NEED the incompetent clown Trump to stay on political stage -- the only possible way they can remain in power. Simply a continuation of the 5-year old Russia-gate hoax -- same lying team. And, of course, GOP and its Trump are equally abhorrent
"Whistleblower" Frances Haugen is a vital media and political asset because she advances their quest for greater control over online political discourse.
She is now “guided” by long-time Obama operative Bill Burton !!
Unlike Julian Assange, Daniel Hale or Ed Snowden, corporate media is suddenly in love with “whistleblowers”….
Democrats and Media Do Not Want to Weaken Facebook, Just Commandeer its Power to Censor - by Glenn Greenwald - Glenn Greenwald (substack.com)
A shady Facebook 'whistleblower' wants more censorship -- Grayzone
We will see more of such a slickly engineered brand creation as this Facebook "whistleblower." While ACTUAL whistleblowers linger in prison (Assange, Daniel Hale), exile (Edward Snowden) and bankruptcy… – suddenly corporate media “loves” DNC/CIA’s fake “whistleblowers”.
"They like and NEED the incompetent clown Trump to stay on political stage"
Exactly. If the Right is to get serious about pursuing its goals, as well as the more fundamental effort to preserve/enforce the democratic republic, it had better get, fast, a new group of sufficiently competent AND courageous candidates.
The fact is, and this is THE fact, Covid-19 is a deadlier disease than the flu and the vaccine is THE way for most people to avoid the consequences of severe Covid-19 and death, that's it, nothing more. This new drug may be a solution to people who get a more severe case, nothing more. Grow up already.
Oh, I'm sure the next Wuhan lab "surprise" disease will be deadlier, if they are unable to get a sufficient majority to submit. "See what happened?! Now when we tell you to jump, you need to jump -- or die!!" It's a long and tricky process corralling wild animals like freedom-conscious Americans.
OK, more conspiracy theory. Watch This Week in Virology at microbe.tv/twiv to get a better understanding of the issues behind your unsupported allegation. You'll hear real researchers, scientists, medical professionals, etc, and be better off, or doesn't that matter to you?
"You'll hear real researchers, scientists, medical professionals, etc, and be better off, or doesn't that matter to you?"
It does. You, too, can also hear "real researchers, scientists, medical professionals, etc," on alt sites proposing alternative explanations -- AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOT BEING CENSORED by YouTube, Google, and others working for the establishment interests.
"Or", as you put it, "doesn't that matter to you?"
As I've mentioned elsewhere, NOTHING from the US government can be trusted any more, certainly not without a truly interactive grilling by skeptical reporters.
That's exactly what I mean by partisan. Keep in mind, that I'm a Green, a lefty. Actually, the Dems were worse when it comes to Covid.
For example: when the two potential treatment options came along (hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin), Trump and the Republicans desperately needed good news, for political/electoral reasons, so they promoted those treatments. But the Democrats just as desperately needed Trump NOT to get good news; so when the good news of potential treatments came along, they attacked it - vitriolicly. Don't know if you've seen the video of Dr. Kory's testimony to the Senate committee, but the reaction from a couple of Dem Senators was shocking. There's a correct, human response in that situation: "This might be really good news, we look forward to results from a major study." No commitment, but an open mind. What they did, with most of the media chiming in, was try to suppress treatments thatmight have saved thousands of lives.
IOW, the Dems were willing let people die to make a political point. That's far worse than promoting them for political reasons - though Trump's role triggered everybody's TDS, a special form of stupidity that gives him control of the discourse.
This happened over and over. It's about the most morally bizarre public performance I've ever seen. The Democratic Party is morally defective - granted that the Republicans are, too. The latter just weren't as bad on this issue.
There are good reasons Taibbi - a "moderate!" - called for a new party; your reaction is agood example of the problem. Both politicized the issue, which is unforgivable; but the Dems did more damage.
I don't agree that the Democrats are worse, as in dishonesty, moral and ethical corruption, obstructionism, etc, as a party than the GOP. IMO, they are marginally better on those types of points. However, your example of their desperation in Trump/GOP bad news shows that they just have no clue as to how to message and fight. In alignment with your testimonial example, I didn't watch it, they could have done their due diligence in reading the research papers about ivermectin like I did and would have been prepared in dealing with the lack of competency and lack of knowledge of the GOP and Trump. What the Democrats could have done was focus on funding further trials to verify claims, such as:
The Democrats allowed no one to die, the GOP did with their refusal to call their supporters to act in ways proven to reduce spread. The GOP is far, far worse in their moral defectiveness, there really is no comparison.
Like I said, partisan. Personally, I think they're both evil. Democrats deliberately suppressed use of a promising treatment: that is letting people die to make a political point.
I don't know why Republicans are against the vaccines; they were Trump's project. Odd reversal there. But I don't really understand "conservatives", in general.
Meh. We're so far beyond that now. 2 weeks in? Sure. 2 months in? Definitely. Now? No way. Something really bad is unfolding and it's getting worse, not better as the data rolls in.
After nearly two years of this how can you not be unreservedly convinced there's something truly sinister going on with this Covid hysteria?
What’s the point of this new, presumably expensive 50% effective drug when cheap easily available Ivermectin has been proven, over and over, to be 80-90% effective in reducing Covid complications and death? Hell, they gave it out to just about everybody in India and it worked like a charm.
Because Trump. He’s a bloviating, crass man, but right about all of our rot. They hate him because he doesn’t play their pseudo-sophisticated games; he may be a narcissist too, but they are sociopaths or groveling climbers more than willing to play this sociopathic game. The social culture in this nation is deteriorating by the day.
you're right about Trump...but things he is not is 1) a communist 2) a racist 3) part of the new world order...i'll take that over this shit-show any day.
I don't think you know what a communist is. I suggest you look it up in a dictionary. We don't even have anyone actually left wing in this country, let alone a communist or a socialist. Check out politicalcompass.com and find out what constitutes left wing right wing authoritarian or libertarian. All American politicians cluster up in the authoritarian right wing, both parties.
I am quite well versed on what a communist is...clearly you aren't. I have spent a lot of time in China, Russia, Cuba, and Eastern block European countries. I also studied it at Northwestern and Harvard. Had a trip planned to go to Pyongyang in 2020 but couldn't go because of covid. I have studied communism for 30 years...but thanks for the trite website to clarify what communism is. Please share with me your expansive knowledge so I can better understand.
Only an American right-winger would pass off a covid-canceled trip to Pyongyang and a "lot of time [spent] in China, Russia, Cuba, and Eastern block ("bloc"---30 years of study and none of your fellow scholars ever had the courtesy to whisper in your ear "lose the K"?) European countries" as bona fides for Red Spotting Expertise.
It's estimated that there are no more than a few thousand self-identifying "marxists" currently residing in the U.S. The vast majority of them, I'm sure, wherever they are, safely adhering to the sumptuary laws of middle America---Dockers, pleated khakis, blue 60/40 cotton-polyester blend, button-down oxfords, tastefully---if not absentmindedly---frayed about the collar, and by all accounts up to less mischief and alarming fewer people than the average insurance claims adjuster.
Unquestionably there are impressive numbers of teenagers self-identifying as "communists" in all 50 states, but that probably is an inevitable reaction to mom and dad's notoriously repressive, hard-right, authoritarian regime in place at home.
One need not consult Ms. Hagge's "trite website" to understand that, for example, the "leftiest" of the "left" of any democratic party member in the U.S., or any American politician who considers himself or herself a viable candidate for political office, would be categorized in any other civilized western nation as a slightly eccentric middle-of-the-road burgher given to sartorially mixing birkenstocks and seersucker suits, referencing Isaiah Berlin and quoting Philip Larkin ad nauseam, and probably a dabbler in eastern orthodox christianity on the weekends--a sort of "kooky" yet undeniably kind-hearted citizen perpetually engaged in heading up quixotic schemes to save and restore the cobblestone streets in the "old city."
One might as well be on the hunt for a flock of passenger pigeons in the U.S. than a cadre of "communists."
This might be the ONE time I will stand and applaud a man throwing down the Harvard card. Bravo. Someone who was actually educated there. 😂
Mine and my husband’s families fled the Soviet Union.It’s a very clever con, promising inclusion, freedom from persecution and equal rights, fighting the oppressors. And those who buy in, having suffered real persecution and oppression, are the first to suffer persecution and oppression far worse than they’d suffered prior.
Oh, I bow to your obvious expertise. Tell us what a communist is, and how any American politician or public servant is one.
Bidens banking watchdog pick sure has her Marxism 101 on display: https://jennyhatch.com/2021/10/07/toomey-doing-his-job/
Or perhaps someone who earned a soviet degree in the 80's on a Lenin scholarship who wrote her thesis on Marx was only comparing him to Adam Smith?
Your comment is ignorant and naive useless iodiot.
LOL. Ignorant AND rude. There is NO one in Biden's group that is even left wing, let alone "communist." A communist "banking watchdog"--that's a good one. What would be the policies of a communist banking watchdog, I wonder? Again, you don't have the faintest idea what communism is. Why don't you tell us what you think it is, and how this woman personifies it?
I love that website.
I'm just down in that bottom left corner, vibin'.
The green square is the place to be.
Ec 8.88 soc 9.08. Yep. I'm a leftist.
Me too--as far left and libertarian as it is possible to get.
"We don't even have anyone actually left wing in this country, let alone a communist or a socialist."
Agreed.
That's happened because Marx hijacked the normative part of Leftism in the mid-19th century and turned it into totalitarianism, with its adoption method of brute force, thus abandoning (all while giving lip service to) democracy, with its method of persuasion. Worked splendidly for warmongering -- governing, not so much. Totalitarianism, understandably, soured in the intervening century and a half. Now the "Marxist" and "communist" brands are ruined beyond repair.
But fear not, the powers that be are at it again in the West! The're trying out a new brand of totalitarianist righteousness, based on dividing the population by immutable characteristics, rather than using the unreliable shapeshifting protaletariat. "Surely we can hijack... um, rally... enough troops now!"
If people wanted totalitarianism, it would come roaring back -- whatever you wanted to call it. But people are not insect colonies.
Okay, I'm not going to get sucked into this fantasy, but I will just say that anyone who has actually read Marx would never make such a statement. Yes, we are experiencing totalitarianism in this country right now, but no--it has nothing to do with Marxism. It is in fact corporatocracy, the complete melding of corporations and the state, which is fascism, not communism. Basic misunderstanding of terms.
Maybe the problem is with the ideology
Indeed, the proletariat are so unreliable they can't even spell their own name.
No, we have pseudo-communists. Everything in America is fake! 😆
It's a .org, not .com. https://www.politicalcompass.org
Thanks--duh.
Hagge's link is instructive: a website which presumes to measure thought! Welcome to dumbed down America, where the trivial masquerades as the serious. Because we cannot read books and assimilate facts, let alone detect nuance. And common humanity, decency - and heaven forbid a sense of humour - are way beyond us. Gotta have that "model"! Gotta have that "narrative"!
We’ve been on the path to Communism for decades created by the globalist facade of a two-party system.
You are a commie, no you are a Nazi. Let us use simplistic and improperly applied labels to demonstrate the paucity of our analysis. That's ok, they love it when you use these terms. it makes them safe from any real insight and thus action with real consequences. I think Marx's philosophy has many interesting and useful insights, but analyzing our present society using the Communist Manifesto is ludicrous.
You should take it and post the results. Lol.
That must be why it is used in so many college political science classes.
You're right, he's not a communist, just like everyone else in our government. He does however, and has for the last 10 years or so, collected $2 million a year leasing office space in Trump Tower to The largest bank in The People's Republic of China, The Commercial and Industrial Bank of China, which, the last time I checked, was majority state owned, and regardless of what % it may now own, obviously controls what that bank does, they being both the only party and the official government of that country. Put bluntly, Trump gets paid by Communists, hardly a rarity among US businesses and businessmen, both Donald and his daughter being chump change among that lot, what with their other various products made over there being cheap consumer goods, compared to Ford, GM, Apple, Tesla etc.
Trump was right in much of his critique of US elites, but in his own small way, he behaved just as they did when it involved his own personal benefit.
Exactly. Look at all the legislators in both parties who have smoothed the way for China to buy up huge corporations in the US.
I just got back from seeing a great movie documentary about the income/class inequality in the PRC, called, "Ascendance". Highly recommended.
To your point, yes, and let's please remember that the same political class, of both parties, but more Repubs than Dems, that touted the opening up of the PRC to trade, ending in passing PNTR for the PRC, saying it would make relations between us closer, when all it was was way to make their corporate donors/owners even richer and faster, are now busily forgetting all that and saying that country is a threat to us, that threat being military, of course, all these draft dodgers/combat virgins understand, and not the economic rival they are, thanks to we both know who's help.
Naturally, our corporate owned media will never bring this embarrassing point up, as it might cost them access, both to insider info and delightful soirees on the Upper West Side, not to mention The Hamptons and Martha's Vineyard.
He's in the power-position as landlord, taking their money. Sounds really weak and corrupt to me. Were you around during his presidency? The one thing for which he was universally praised was standing against China.
Meaning he's exactly like everyone else; if it benefitted him, it was OK to do business with The People's Republic of China. Of course, it wasn't limited to that; both he and his daughter have outsourced production to the PRC, though on a small scale compared to our patriotic capitalist corporations.
You might also recall that he lifted sanctions he had put on a Chinese telecom company that had violated an embargo he had put on countries doing business with Iran or North Korea, as I recall, that Chinese company then on the brink of bankruptcy as a result of his earlier sanction against them, and lo and behold, his daughter was granted several more copyrights in the PRC, pure coincidence, I'm sure.
No doubt, had Bernie Sanders done business in any form with any Chinese entity, even one majority owned by a Communist government, you'd be the first to defend him.
As for Trump standing up to the PRC, I applaud him for that, at least as it relates to trade. For over 30 years, I've told people how foolish and short sighted it is to outsource production to places like the PRC, but these people, many of whom I know voted for Trump, would always say that American workers were lazy and wanted too much money, and they should learn to compete against other countries. Come today, and those same people, now the target of that kind of thinking, cry wolf, all a bit too late.
In other respects, Trump is late to the party about standing against the PRC. Warmonger Obama began the policy of confronting the PRC, first with his corporate wet dream, the TPP and then with a shifting of US military resources to counter the PRC, a policy Trump and now Biden have continued. The PRC, you see, are now the next target of the crumbling US Empire, and it is they who will serve as the bogeyman for the next round of useless weapons systems to feed the Military, Industrial, Congressional, Media Complex.
Nothing will fundamentally change until it all collapses.
P.S. I just saw a tremendous documentary, "Ascendance" which depicts the growing income and class divide in the PRC, with no narration, just the Chinese of different walks of life doing all the talking as they make things, or among the upper classes, how they spend their time.
Agreed.
Trump could break the system by shifting gears and inviting every American of every stripe to join in the movement and depoliticize the partisan ball and chain
In the land of the ego, a narcissist trumps a sociopath every time. (Yes, intentional.)
Yup!
You think so many people were pissed about Trump because it was a guy like that calling them out?
They didn't get a Gandhi type as their foe - must've been a real blow to their ego.
Haha!
Yes, I do. They are all climbing away from their peasant pasts, and he is there, on his golden toilet, to remind them of it. It makes them seethe.
Total blow. 😂
Trump should have stood on his bully pulpit surrounded by every whistleblower and exposed the whole goddamned thing when he had the chance. There was only so more they could threaten, persecute and sabotaged him before he could take them all down.
The Indian province of Uttar Pradesh has completely rid itself of covid by treating its population of 240 million with ivermectin which costs around one dollar per treatment.
Not just uttar pradesh, india generally. A few holdout states are following US procesure and are fetting plowed by covid. the indian version of the bar association is suing the indian woman who is head of, uh, who? for her demonstrably false statements on ivermectin and formally recommended criminal charges to the national government.
Hope they throw the book at her, demonstrate how an actual concerned government deals with bad actors.
Did you really work for the Agency because I have one up on you…
No, but I still work for the Army in a way, shape or form.
I do have friends who do agency type work.
I lived there for 3 years and this smells of truthfulness.
Based on past performance, better chance of being right than the Establishment news. C'mon, you know it's true.
It might be exaggerated, but I've seen the same claim in multiple sources. The Indian bar association suing made the news - Yahoo, if memory serves.
But if Americans do not take the Merck drug, how will all those cute drug reps pay off their student loans?
You raise an important issue. Cute drug reps are a national asset.
Merck created and manufactures ivermectin.
Also, if they were to use an old drug, they would lose their emergency use status for rushing through their new drug, which costs a bundle. Get it? Drug companies do this more times than not--a drug is off patent, so they screw around with it a little, call it new, get a new patent and charge $1000 a pill for it. Seriously, they do this 80% of the time, and usually the new drug is no better than the old one. Read any book about the pharma industry.
This actually is a new antiviral, developed not by Merck but by a small biolab that was ignored for months while Pfizer, Moderna, et al. swallowed billions of "taxpayer" money insisting it was get vaccinated or die with the help of the feds and the media. Now it's finally registering there are actually people who won't be terrified into doing something they prefer not to do, the antiviral is announced then immediately condemned because its price was inflated by 4000% as the feds write the check to buy up a slew of it for $714 for a five-day treatment regimen. Oh, and Pfizer is now releasing information about the effectiveness of natural immunity, which you may recall it was not long ago insisting wasn't sufficient and would require at least two shots of a vaccine that will (surprise!) likely need a booster every 6-8 months because it's really just a preventative not an actual vaccine. 🙄
My cardiologist told me about drug tweaking in order to maintain patent and retain high profits.
I used herbal healing when Covid came knocking on our door. When the pandemic first revved up I dreamed about this cure. It worked beautifully along with prayer and priesthood blessings.
https://jennyhatch.com/2020/03/28/the-cure-for-coronavirus-from-a-master-herbalist-jennyhatch/
Ivermectin is off patent and manufactured by generic drug manufacturers around the world.
And the drug has been utterly disparaged. Time for a new drug, Ivermectin, reformulated with a new name.
bingo - monospirvir
Im sure the new drug contains the same stuff as ivermectin
Not really, no. Ivermectin is almost 3 times the molecular weight of Molnupiravir; it's actually a fairly large molecule. They don't look anything alike either, molnupiravir looks like it is probably derived from modifying a sugar like glucose.
No, we read books.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34469921/
i was going to "like" but the button disappeared? so "like"
The student loans will just have to get prioritized over shoes. Or maybe not...
OMG! Thought criminals on isle 3! There’s never a Thought Police officer around when you need one.
Except ivermectin doesn’t cure or prevent Covid so what you're saying makes no sense. UP beat Covid with an extensive vaccination and track and test program. Same thing the WHO recommends. And fwiw Merck manufacturers ivermectin. I guess they’re conspiring against themselves.
Ivermectin is off patent and manufactured by generic drug manufacturers around the world. Merck no longer makes money off of it, in my understanding.
They still do make money from it, but since anyone can make it now, that money is declining. If they promoted it, they would lose their emergency use status for their new, more expensive drug that they are bringing out much too fast.
120 drug trials say you're wrong. You haven't read the actual science--you've just believed a media shill, a media that depends on pharma for 80% of its funding. Check PubMed for yourself and look at meta-analyses.
This is an outright lie. Uttar Pradesh has a vaxx rate less than 8%
Or, not: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/up-crosses-100-million-covid-vaccination-mark-cm-praises-health-workers-101632567600061-amp.html
That article is a couple weeks old and says there are 18M people fully vaccinated (~10%). The 100M is the total doses, which matches roughly the other trackers I can find. So comparatively less vaccinated than America, no matter how you cut it.
Some of the people distributing Ivermectin in Uttar Pradesh work for the WHO. Similarly, on the FDA's own official Youtube channel they host the video from this past September's vaccine and booster review where they discuss Ivermectin's success in India:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WFph7-6t34M
^ the part I am referring to is somewhere about 4 hours and 5 to 20 minutes in, you can just adjust the scroll a little before there and skip to it if you would like to check. These are the FDA's own approved panel of experts reviewing the vaccine results this year sometime around September 12th-14th.
But the point of fact is: behind closed doors and out of the media eye, a number of the big experts both at the FDA and WHO think there is definitely something positive to Ivermectin in regards to combating Covid, to the point where the WHO themselves is delivering it to some places with low vaccination rates like Uttar Pradesh. Similarly just a month or so ago the two leading biologics (includes vaccines) heads at the FDA resigned because they thought the vaccines are being pushed by the CDC, the media, and Biden administration harder than the existing data warranted at this time and didn't want their multi-decade reputations associated with what could be the fallout. Apparently the former heads of vaccines at the FDA are "anti-vaxers" if the standard rubric is to be believed. These *ARE* the experts we are supposed to listen to, don't *YOU* believe the science?
I read that article. Something isn't translating right.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/no-fresh-covid-cases-in-up-s-59-districts-australian-mp-praises-yogi-govt-101631606229422.html
note, no mention of the poison shots.
If you are going to opine on ivermectin you owe it to yourself to learn something about it. A couple of good videos for you to get up the curve:
Dr. Kory: https://tinyurl.com/3ttbknet
Dr. Campbell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKa3EZqofNo&t=1189s
You're repeating Big Pharma propaganda. Here's a major review study that finds the opposite,credit John Hohn up above, listed on the NIH: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34469921/
As I said up there, we're all being gaslit by the industry and, to their eternal shame, the Democrats.
🤣
Do you honestly believe that the commenters here are so stupid that they cannot see through your psychologically dishonest, manipulative bs? Lol, you’re giving all of us a pretty good laugh with your insipidity and inanity. Keep going! At least it’s somewhat tepidly amusing on the amuso-meter.
I would bet there is ivermectin's twin in this pill; the Finns just began distributing their version and it DOES have ivermectin. The Finns, who don't make a profit from medicines, are allowing the pills because they do see a significant drop in hospitalizations and serious illnesses when taken at the onset. People smell "conspiracy" or "collusion" because nothing has been transparent since the emergence of this variant of covid -- not its origins, not statistics regarding deaths (no deaths from the other flus that kill thousands each year?), not the efficacy nor serious side effects of the vaccine. Why keep the public in a panic when a pill could calm things down significantly? All part of the covid mystery.
The Finn patent was months ago:
https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finnish_firm_earns_us_patent_for_covid_drug_containing_ivermectin_and_hydroxychloroquine/11946611
Daily new cases suggest (to me) that a placebo may be just as effective.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/finland/
I make no judgement about Ivermectin other than it is so shrouded in claims and counter-claims and accusations of fraud on both sides of the question, that it is impossible to really know.
The patent, but issuance of the drug in the US -- has it begun, or is it pending? Ican only say this: I'll take the pill if it is available and if I get the illness despite my vaccine, which is possible as I have zero antibodies 4 months after vaccination.
The point is profit. The Pfizermectin covid pill which will be comprised of ivermectin and zinc will cost $87 per pill and 35 pills will be required for early treatment of covid.
They're undoubtedly gonna sprinkle it with gold flakes too.
Yeah, but only if it's a horse.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34469921/
Yeah, but that's from July. Where's something new to back it up? It smells of "confirmation bias" to me since the NIH has plenty of studies saying Ivermectin doesn't work.
This article describes my position best.
https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2021/09/08/lessons_from_the_ivermectin_debacle_793483.html
I agree. The reason why ivermectin is being handed out in a pricy new pill, when Big Pharma had to have know how effective the drug was all by its own inexpensive self, is that they were working on their pill with that as its active ingredient, another get-rich quick scheme.
The vax is free and close to 100% effective so they opt for a pill that costs over $700 and is less than 50% effective. People are not dying of the virus,. They are dying of stupidity. Is that a bad thing?
WHAT? Effective for what? It doesn't keep you from spreading it or keep you from getting it for more than a couple of months--seriously, some countries are reporting people getting breakthrough infections eight weeks after the second shot. The more countries vax, the more their cases rise--this is true all over the world. The higher the vax rate, the higher the deaths from breakthrough infections. Have you looked at ANY data? Also, how is it free? It comes out of your tax dollars, and then pads the pockets of the big pharma investors.
My brother-in-law's aunt was fully vaccinated. She felt safe. Then she died of Covid. They blamed her baby granddaughter for giving it to her and the baby's parents because the baby was the only one not vaccinated. The baby never got sick. But, people want to hold on to their beliefs. They wanted to believe in the vaccine even as the vaccine failed them all.
That is horrible. If my relatives blamed me in such a way I'd never speak to them again.
That's the point, it's psychological warfare to destroy all the way down to even individual foundations so that they can "build back better."
"The higher the vax rate, the higher the deaths from breakthrough infections." That's a tautological argument. It has to be true no matter what - whether vaccines are effective or not.
Yep, people are no longer dying of the virus but from the Stupids
Geeez, as I finish up my 8th decade, I don't know. Maybe it is double vaxed with Moderna plus always wearing a mask.
Thank you.
Your point being apparently that we don't base our decisions on data or observable facts. Of course facts can be manipulated; of course sometimes something that seems factual later changes, so our notions change, but all we can do is base our actions on what we observe now. If you don't do that I don't know what to tell you. Do you just tell yourself a story?
No, we shouldn't base major life decisions "on what we observe now". We should base them on conclusions drawn by studying a wide range of information from reliable, verified, qualified sources. Which the media, corporate and social, are not, and never have been.
What can we really observe ourselves? Mostly, we hear stories from others, and make decisions on whom to trust. Sometimes, those stories involve contradictions, which are useful indicators that people are telling lies.
The vaccine isn't free.
"The vax is free"
As in free lunch? There's no such thing. That's something I'm going to start saying.
It is no way close to "100 percent effective."
You must be writing from beyond the grave.
Stop it. The vax is nowhere near "100% effective." It appears that it may not even be effective at all.
I agree. It is just driving variants at this point, as a number of virologists warned before it even came out.
Didn't require a rocket surgeon to figure out that the vaccine, if effective at the rates they stated, would exercise a powerful selection for virus variants that were not affected as much by the vaccine.
Whether you're a king or a street sweeper sooner or later you dance with the Reaper!
So True, but not all reapers need be grim.
The vaccine isn't free, which is another lie the media keep feeding people they lap up without taking time to question how Pfizer et al. drove their revenue up by double-digit billions these last two years. The vaccine is being paid for by the federal government, and they are paying whatever the manufacturers choose to put on the price-tag. Indeed, the fact that the vaccines are "free from the government" is likely a major reason why so many are adamant they won't have it.
"'free from the government' is likely a major reason why so many are adamant they won't have it." If you are correct, then the plan to have the virus eradicate the stupid is working.
Yeah, well, that kind of smug, elitist regurgitation of the establishment narrative regarding anyone who won't immediately bow to the authority and greater wisdom of their betters is another good reason why the "deplorables" distrust those demanding they get the vaccine or else.
Just keep telling yourself that right up until they put you on ventilator
Suggest reading the scientific literature rather than the marketing literature.
Tucker Carlson is precious, not his life.
Because the new drug can drag in hella huge profits for Merck and all the other little peons who kiss the butt of the rich folks hoping to "get" somewhere. A story from The Intercept said, "A FIVE-DAY COURSE of molnupiravir, the new medicine being hailed as a “huge advance” in the treatment of Covid-19, costs $17.74 to produce, according to a report issued last week by drug pricing experts at the Harvard School of Public Health and King’s College Hospital in London. Merck is charging the U.S. government $712 for the same amount of medicine, or 40 times the price."
Ivermectin? It's around six cents a pill. Also, this "vaccine" was issued under EUA. The biggest rule there is that there can NOT be another drug that would work as effective treatment. So it won't matter how safe or effective, how many lives are saved with it, government is not going to let it go. Look up Dr. Paul Marik. The man is a medical genius. He has a four page CV in all the things. He's a prof. In a teaching college in Virginia that shares the property of the hospital where he was working as the Chief of the Critical Care Unit and he's insanely high on the list of tip doctors in the WORLD. NEVER HAD A LAWSUIT, NEVER A COMPLAINT in his DECADES of practice. He just sued his hospital for forbidding the use of Ivermectin to save the patient who is basically left to die.
The kicker? The very weekend he was forbidden to use it, 4 of his patients died. If there is not some sort of large scale protest that gets attention from the asshats pulling all the strings, to remind the government WHO put it where it is and get the power back to PEOPLE,b our kids are definitely screwed.
Excellent comment.
I am in the process of reading Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s "The Real Anthony Fauci". This is really required reading. If you think that sociopaths have been running the show for a while, you would be quite correct. Fauci and Gates have killed a lot of people. Intentionally.
I highly recommend the read. Three dollars on Amazon via Kindle. Just getting through the first chapter is enough to make the case.
Even though Matt has written about the politicization of ivermectin, he said something on the Useful Idiots podcast to the effect that he had not much regard for it. This makes me think that he hasn't really studied it, which makes me sad because his statement influences others in their attitudes. This excellent video discusses how Uttar Pradesh crushed Covid. https://youtu.be/eO9cjy3Rydc
Fun facts:
Merck's patent for IVERMECTIN expired 1996.
"Ivermectin has been used in humans for 35 years and over 4 billion doses have been administered. Merck, the original patent holder, donated 3.7 billion doses to developing countries. In 2015 the two individuals who developed Ivermectin were awarded a Nobel Prize for medicine. While known primarily as an anti-parasitic, Ivermectin has powerful anti-viral and anti-inflammatory properties. Its safety is documented at doses twenty times the normal. Only 19 deaths are known...In January this year (2021), the several months long, Ivermectin research, meta-analysis of Randomized Control Trials (RCT), commissioned by WHO was released. The paper showed that Ivermectin reduces death by 74% and is 85% effective as prophylaxis."
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Instead, it was vilified as "horse paste" by MSM, banned as a treatment for covid and doctors severely punished for prescribing it. Odd.
Don't mention Ivermectin; it'll upset the vaccine rollout - BizNews.com
https://www.biznews.com/thought-leaders/2021/05/12/mailbox-ivermectin
As we know, world class doctors such as Peter McCullough have been pleading with health and govt authorities to authorize Ivermectin and other well established treatments that when properly administered would have saved countless lives, egs., hydroxychloroquine, Budesonide, quercetin, azithromycin, dexamethasone, fluvoxamine, monoclonal antibodies, zinc, Vitamin D&C:
Lack of Covid-19 Treatments: Peter McCullough, MD testifies to Texas Senate HHS Committee.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/0CEb09jZMVeW/
A thinking person might wonder whether there is an ulterior motive given that the EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) for the mRNA vaccines could only be granted under FDA rules if there were NO EFFECTIVE ALTERNATIVE TREATMENTS. And coincidentally the global health authorities IN CONCERT imposed harsh penalties upon any doctor prescribing ANY of these treatments for covid - some having been used effectively for decades - and the global media censored and ridiculed these treatments and slandered any doctors mentioning them. Odd.
Magically Merck has conjured up a "miracle pill" that seems to do exactly what IVERMECTIN does and has the other magical quality of materializing Scrooge bins full of cash. Odd.
Hope someone does an analysis/comparison of this "I can't believe it's not Ivermectin" miracle pill with Ivermectin.
" meta-analysis of Randomized Control Trials (RCT), commissioned by WHO was released. "
Link for that? Please? That would be a game changer.
So why is WHO still opposed to it? Or has that been censored, too?
If you follow the links in the BizNews article it seems there is a problem with the study cited. Apparently they are awaiting an "update" on the meta study.
https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-148845/v1
But the following links should answer your questions regarding safety and efficacy of Ivermectin in treating covid-19:
The Story of Ivermectin
https://rumble.com/vlpecw-the-story-of-ivermectin.html
Epidemiologic analyses on Ivermectin in COVID-19 - FLCCC | Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance
https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/epidemiologic-analyses-on-covid19-and-ivermectin/
Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time analysis of all 121 studies
https://c19ivermectin.com/
This one: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04529525 ? In Argentina, n=500. No reference to the WHO. Good sized study, though, sponsored by a governmental body (I think it is).
Dr. Campbell's take on the two drugs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKa3EZqofNo&t=1189s
Right again! Not only are you The Strongest, you are also The Smartest.
"...expensive". Merck's patent on Ivermectin expired 1996.
Understand that if Ivermectin works, it seems to need to be used earlier in illness than later (https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/08000/ivermectin_for_prevention_and_treatment_of.7.aspx), see the conclusion. Here's a discussion that answers your question: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02783-1
yes, absolutely. That is why Florida set up drive through sites for those who test positive and they can have the antiviral therapeutics delivered, but I guess it is with injections still. The pills would be faster. I'm not sure if Florida's drug therapy includes ivermectin, but it has been tremenously successful in bringing down hospitalizations -- lower every day.
Merck's drug being oral is faster and easier! So, the anti-vaxxers may be safer now, still stupid but safer.
Thank you for sending this very well informed information.
You're welcome!
And they gave it out in far more areas than just India and the same thing happened. When I posted the news of it on Facebook (I'm not a business so it was a personal page) they blocked the picture and said it was false, but the "fact check" moron just put his opinion full of likely and may be in n it's place
That’s the exact point. If people are able to use cheap, effective repurposed drugs, the “ pandemic” and the hysteria would be long over and the ruling class would be powerless. And reap the blame and punishment so long overdue
LOL! It's always a fucking conspiracy thing with you people! There was zero proof that any of those drugs provided any benefit. That evidence is built up from trials in which data is kept, not anecdotal stories, such as the call in this paper: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0883944120303907.
I read the original papers the posited that chloroquine provided a benefit and there wasn't much backup, which indicated that more studies were needed, as mentioned in the article that I linked to.
That said, vaccines are a known issue and they work for most people because they do precisely what pathogens do, they get the immune system to build up a defense, but without the illness. However, some people have immune systems that do not respond, but that will happen when they get infected too.
The point is to up the count of “ Covid infections and Covid deaths”. Most which are false positives, in no way Covid related, instead, influenza, elderly people with every imaginable comorbidity, vaccine induced hospitalizations and waiting until their lungs are so inflamed, they are intimated, which is exactly what should never happen. The intubation is antithetical to treating lung inflammation when the lungs are twice their size and weight, hardened by density. It’s tantamount to shoving a pylon between a pair of overfilled water balloons encased in a too small box. This goes way beyond medical malpractice. It is psychpathic, purposeful sadism
You are so far gone it isn't funny. There was zero "point" to "up the count".
Dr. Griffen, a doctor in NYC, is on This Week in Virology (microbe.tv/twiv) and discussed ventilator use and how bad it was a while back. He said that ventilators proved a problem and that there were far better results by keeping people off of them for as long as possible. There wasn't malpractice, there was a learning curve that led doctors to make that conclusion.
YES - on Big Pharma and insurance industry -- authentic American Mafia.
H. pylori is a PERFECT example. A friend's wife was taking stomach acid pills for years. When he suggested a test for H. pylori bacteria her doctor was outraged. But -- she tested positive and -- has been cured -- a doctor and insurance industry "lost" a profitable patient...
Big Pharma, BTW, for years attacked Australian doctor as a charlatan and a swindler - until their patents expired and than promptly introduced "superior" antibiotic mix...
Yup. Let's face it, the media, govt and pharmas don't want this little show to go away. Certain industries currently receiving subsidies (or just plain graft), as well as titans like Amazon and Walmart are also loathe to walk away from the biggest boost to their bottom lines since who knows when. Of course, our whole society can permanently go down the shitter with long term unemployment and mammoth deficit spending, and there won't be any way out that aren't worse (war, fragmentation, even fewer human rights).
If any alien ships come here with a half decent offer to leave, I'm taking it.
"Whistleblower" Frances Haugen is a vital media and political asset because she advances their quest for greater control over online political discourse.
Democrats and Media Do Not Want to Weaken Facebook, Just Commandeer its Power to Censor - by Glenn Greenwald - Glenn Greenwald (substack.com)
(NOTE: She is being "guided" by a long-term Obama operative)
A shady Facebook 'whistleblower' wants more censorship -- Grayzone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x9jvABotrg
DNC and Deep State are playing us like a violin.... They like and NEED the incompetent clown Trump to stay on stage -- the only way they will stay in power.
PS: The Obama's long time operative, who "guides" the Facebook operative is - Bill Burton.
Check out Jon Rappaport's interview with Christine Massey, yes something truly sinister is going on.
Do you have a link? A quick search doesn't show anything.
I'm just a concerned citizen.
I seriously want t see the interview but can't find it so if you have a link, I'd appreciate it.
If you go to Jon Rappaport's web site, I think the interview was on Oct.7.I tried to copy the link, but I was unable to. Interview with Christine Massey.
Found it. https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2021/10/07/the-non-existent-virus-explosive-interview-with-christine-massey/
"After nearly two years of this how can you not be unreservedly convinced there's something truly sinister going on with this Covid hysteria?"
Exactly. COVID vaccine mandates for 100% compliance aren't public health or medical solutions. That's only the lever by which they are sold to us. They are clearly population control solutions. The full meaning of these may take time for us to learn.
The primary general purpose of the mandates is to normalize high-volume bodily-invasive access by the government. Maybe the current specific purposes are some currently unpublished effects of the mRNA solution, or maybe they are going to be something else in the future. Use your imagination -- the spooks and other monsters who run our world sure do -- and they put their ideas into practice. Of course, there are the more obvious additional benefits for pharmaceutical rentiers.
Normalization worked wonders for surveillance. Are we still complaining that everything transmitted electronically is being stored and has been for at least a decade and a half? You at least remember that one, don't you? It also worked wonders for land enclosure laws. Do we ever complain that we (in the West) are born paying rent on the ground we were dropped on, rather than our being granted a reasonable entitlement as our natural inheritance? That started hundreds of years ago. You don't give that one a thought, do you? It was already normalized when the US founders wrote the Declaration of Independence and Constitution. *That's* why it is missing, even though it is foundational to living in freedom.
You gotta be kidding. The vaccines are the way for most people to avoid the risk of severe Covid-19 and death from Covid-19, nothing more, nothing sinister. You have to educate yourself because your post is utter nonsense or is that it's purpose?
Nope. I certainly have educated myself. I'm not even arguing about the efficacy of the current vaccines. In case you haven't noticed, that is not my point.
The demonization of all non-vaccine preventative treatments, the widespread censorship of publications and comments (even by doctors and scientists!) questioning COVID management protocols, the numerous disingeuous (and even admitted) goalpost movements, the media canonization of a political creature who failed to attack AIDS in the 1980s, the money involved, and many other anomalies, point to ONE thing above all others: The gov/media/medical authorities CANNOT be trusted. Certainly, about ANYTHING related to COVID.
Despite the mantra "trust the science" and warning us of the imminent "death of democracy", the behaviors listed above are antithetical to BOTH science AND democracy. No, the rebellion didn't emerge after the election of Donald Trump, and it wasn't prompted by several thousand Russian Facebook ads.
There really *is* a limit to how long unending sophistry will fly -- and we're fast approaching it.
"The demonization of all non-vaccine preventative treatments, the widespread censorship of publications..."
That's just false. If you read the actual research and listened to people involved in it you'd see that there is no demonization nor censorship, just a discussion of safety and efficacy and perhaps a discussion of the politization of science.
If there are problems, among the top ones are a) the GOP and its anti-science, anti-intellectual, anti-expert, etc position that has politicized the entire discussion and (b) the ignorance of the media about virology, immunology, epidemiology, etc that creates confusion from their inaccuracy and the false claim that there are "two sides" to the discussion.
"[T]here is no demonization nor censorship"
Bullshit. The best you can say is that politically-correct "experts" sometimes paraphrased, and commented on (what I imagine you mean by "discussion"), the opponents' POVs -- WITHOUT letting them speak for themselves, and more importantly, following through with truly *interactive* discussions. You know, the way they do in science, and in democracies worthy of the name.
This COVID project was -- and continues to be -- gaslighting of the highest degree.
Here's a TWiV episode that discusses ivermectin: https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-778/
OK, you show me an example. I see none. I see discussions of the claims made by people versus what the official claims are, what the studies actually show and what the experience of medical professionals are.
There is no "covid project", there is Covid-19. The gaslighting is from you conspiracy theorists, including politicians with axes to grind.
After reading through the comments in this thread, I can only lament how the level of discourse on Matt’s Substack has fallen through the basement floor.
Yeah, looks like a handful of people got involved in a boring foodfight. It's generally best to just read the top-level comments. You can close the replies by clicking on the leftmost vertical bar on the left. Also, try sorting by "newest first." Any early comment that has a hint of "yay team" to it will get a ton of upvotes, so the "top comments" are sometimes pretty awful. Not always, though.
agreed
I see the Twitterati made it in.
That's the word I've been using, too. Sinister.
By not getting hysterical about Covid hysteria. Americans do his shit to themselves and then blame sinister forces, a implicit dodge of responsibility.
Google “ The Great Reset” and “ Event 201”
OK, and?
You're preaching to the converted. It's over already.
Why aren’t our “elected officials” ignoring this? Particularly the non-Establishment Republicans?
ouThank or absolutely worthless “ elected officials”.
I think explains it all... https://www.bitchute.com/video/MAyqmIA2UT28/
Thanks for that link...I think this German journalist is also of the same view: https://bluecat.media/ernst-wolff-the-digital-financial-complex-conspiracy-german-with-english-subs/
(I would love to see him proven wrong though) 😉
Nothing any more sinister than the GOP's politization of everything that started with Nixon over blacks and college kids, the bulk of the antiwar protesters, in his "war on drugs" and his Southern Strategy; This political theater is simply a continuation of the GOP's anti-intellectualism, anti-expert program to rile up their ill-informed, poorly educated base in their us versus them worldview in which they are being victimized by liberals, they are, but it is their libertarian comrades. Conservatism is a problem that we've refused to call out.
Hmm. I see what you mean. Conservatives aren't really people; you know, in the sense of being allowed to choose a fitting lifestyle, and voting on it. Whatever their reasons. Maybe you have a modest proposal to do something about them?
Conservatives are antidemocratic, period. They are anti-intellectual, anti-education, anti-expert, etc. That is as modest is it gets.
Yes, yes ... I heard you the first time around.
The question is: What are you going to DO about this? I know there's an answer in there, hiding under your cap...
Promote education, post links to valid sources of information, confront lies, ignorance and stupidity. There's no excuse for what is happening in the US now, except for willful stupidity, divisiveness and conflict.
Scientists have arguments all the time, but they're fact based, about the evidence. Common people need to move in that direction if we are to solve problems, or maybe that's the objective of the GOP, cause enough confusion with the poorly educated that their donors aren't affected. That would be the conspiracy here, make government incompetent and incapable enough to allow the wealthy to do what they want.
The establishment has already been "[p]romot[ing] education, post links to valid sources of information, confront lies, ignorance and stupidity" -- by my count, for more than a half century. This occurred through (currently salient again) case of racial discrimination remediation. I know, because I've lived through it.
What is now painfully obvious is that EITHER the method (promoting, and now ratcheting up, liberal racial education policy) is failing, OR the explanation (America in 2021 is still horrifically racist) is false, OR BOTH. However, the establishment will give up neither.
So ... how do you believe thinking Americans familiar with its history are going to take the establishment's so-called "[p]romot[ing] education, post links to valid sources of information, confront lies, ignorance and stupidity" with regard to COVID? BTW, already going on now for a year and a half, by the way, with little to show for it? What gives??
Maybe in the process you could you explain to me how this alleged "willful stupidity, divisiveness and conflict" come into being in the first place? Because if the actual intent is to change minds, the method has been demonstrated irrational. Something ELSE is preventing the change you seek. What is it?
Ok, Gen Y.
Russia-gate is far more sinister than WMD...
What do you mean by "Russia-gate"?
Oh I see - you have just landed from Mars... -- heard about 5-year and ongoing DNC+CIA scam of the century?
LOL! What do you mean by "Russia-gate"?
- Trump did actively seek Russian help in his campaign
- Trump did lie about his Russian ties
- Trump did lie about his Russian "deals"
- Trump did obstruct the investigation
So, what in your mind is "Russia-gate"?
Oh boy - and St. Miller didn't hear you and couldn't find anything. And -- only one person indicted - a lawyer for Hillary.
You need to see a doctor -- to pull your head out of your ass...
One still little recognized fact is just how much has CIA/DNC thoroughly corrupted previously "independent" media, e.g., TYT (Cenk+Ana), Democracy-Now!, Mother Jones, many other (TYT owners are now millionaires, e.g.) -- note their total silence or badmouthing of the publisher of the century and leading free-speech advocate, Assange. They are now loudspeakers for CIA/DNC propaganda -- corrupted by tens of million dollars from the infinite CIA budget.
The danger to CIA/DNC lies and fabrications is NOT only of fully unmasking the now 5-year long Russia-gate hoax. Another major and ultra-dangerous to foreign policy is unmasking of 17-year long war against secular and socialist Syria.
In this war against Syria CIA has closely collaborated with -- Al Qaeda ( !! ) -- including in the huge "White Helmets" scam. Note that ALL chemical attacks were staged by CIA/Al Qaeda as it is now fully demonstrated by OPCW whistleblowers. Note how TYT (Ana and Cenk) are now maximally activated (always without a single counterargument) against massive documentation on Syria-hoax by outstanding investigations by Grayzone.
The Russia-gate hoax and impeachment “entertainments” were concocted by Obama/Hillary/Biden/Pelosi, Schumer, etc. and their intelligence and DNC executives on behalf of their Wall Street and military industry donors. That lying team is now back in full power -- even Kamala Harris (and her sister) is Hillary's protégé.
Remember, Clapper, Brennan & Hayden trio were among former Obama 50 intelligence officials stating that Hunter-laptop is classical “Russian disinformation”.
- They were also key promoters of the three-year Russia-gate hoax.
- They were also key intelligence executives in Obama/Biden/Hillary government – the government which hunted Snowden (forcing Bolivian plane with Bolivia’s president to land to search it) and armed Al Qaeda (including “white helmets” hoax) and staged all chemical attacks in Syria to remove its government.
When asked about Hunter's laptops Pelosi stated "All roads lead to Putin"; commenting on Capitol invasion Schumer said - "worse than Pearl Harbor and 9/11"...
And -- Assange must be silenced -- all the players agree. Deranged Trump was too incompetent to realize how important was pardoning Assange now that the old lying team is back in full power again; instead he pardoned Black Water criminals who massacred Iraqis in Bagdad’s Nisour square.
I think that DNC and Deep State are playing us like a violin. They like and NEED the incompetent clown Trump to stay on political stage -- the only possible way they can remain in power. Simply a continuation of the 5-year old Russia-gate hoax -- same lying team. And, of course, GOP and its Trump are equally abhorrent
"Whistleblower" Frances Haugen is a vital media and political asset because she advances their quest for greater control over online political discourse.
She is now “guided” by long-time Obama operative Bill Burton !!
Unlike Julian Assange, Daniel Hale or Ed Snowden, corporate media is suddenly in love with “whistleblowers”….
Democrats and Media Do Not Want to Weaken Facebook, Just Commandeer its Power to Censor - by Glenn Greenwald - Glenn Greenwald (substack.com)
A shady Facebook 'whistleblower' wants more censorship -- Grayzone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x9jvABotrg
We will see more of such a slickly engineered brand creation as this Facebook "whistleblower." While ACTUAL whistleblowers linger in prison (Assange, Daniel Hale), exile (Edward Snowden) and bankruptcy… – suddenly corporate media “loves” DNC/CIA’s fake “whistleblowers”.
"They like and NEED the incompetent clown Trump to stay on political stage"
Exactly. If the Right is to get serious about pursuing its goals, as well as the more fundamental effort to preserve/enforce the democratic republic, it had better get, fast, a new group of sufficiently competent AND courageous candidates.
Of course, but NOT Liz Cheney, Tom Cotton, Ms. Lindsey Graham, Mark Rubio and similar utterly corrupt lunatics
Oh yeah, I forgot to add, "AND moral"!
I like the way you were right up front with the Trump bashing in this one. I hate when they slip it in the middle.
The fact is, and this is THE fact, Covid-19 is a deadlier disease than the flu and the vaccine is THE way for most people to avoid the consequences of severe Covid-19 and death, that's it, nothing more. This new drug may be a solution to people who get a more severe case, nothing more. Grow up already.
Oh, I'm sure the next Wuhan lab "surprise" disease will be deadlier, if they are unable to get a sufficient majority to submit. "See what happened?! Now when we tell you to jump, you need to jump -- or die!!" It's a long and tricky process corralling wild animals like freedom-conscious Americans.
OK, more conspiracy theory. Watch This Week in Virology at microbe.tv/twiv to get a better understanding of the issues behind your unsupported allegation. You'll hear real researchers, scientists, medical professionals, etc, and be better off, or doesn't that matter to you?
"You'll hear real researchers, scientists, medical professionals, etc, and be better off, or doesn't that matter to you?"
It does. You, too, can also hear "real researchers, scientists, medical professionals, etc," on alt sites proposing alternative explanations -- AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOT BEING CENSORED by YouTube, Google, and others working for the establishment interests.
"Or", as you put it, "doesn't that matter to you?"
As I've mentioned elsewhere, NOTHING from the US government can be trusted any more, certainly not without a truly interactive grilling by skeptical reporters.
@ Jeff Biss: IOW, your approach is purely partisan and you're guilty of politicizing the issue.
The partisanship is purely due to the GOP, they politicized everything, starting at the Civil Rights Act.
That's exactly what I mean by partisan. Keep in mind, that I'm a Green, a lefty. Actually, the Dems were worse when it comes to Covid.
For example: when the two potential treatment options came along (hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin), Trump and the Republicans desperately needed good news, for political/electoral reasons, so they promoted those treatments. But the Democrats just as desperately needed Trump NOT to get good news; so when the good news of potential treatments came along, they attacked it - vitriolicly. Don't know if you've seen the video of Dr. Kory's testimony to the Senate committee, but the reaction from a couple of Dem Senators was shocking. There's a correct, human response in that situation: "This might be really good news, we look forward to results from a major study." No commitment, but an open mind. What they did, with most of the media chiming in, was try to suppress treatments thatmight have saved thousands of lives.
IOW, the Dems were willing let people die to make a political point. That's far worse than promoting them for political reasons - though Trump's role triggered everybody's TDS, a special form of stupidity that gives him control of the discourse.
This happened over and over. It's about the most morally bizarre public performance I've ever seen. The Democratic Party is morally defective - granted that the Republicans are, too. The latter just weren't as bad on this issue.
There are good reasons Taibbi - a "moderate!" - called for a new party; your reaction is agood example of the problem. Both politicized the issue, which is unforgivable; but the Dems did more damage.
I don't agree that the Democrats are worse, as in dishonesty, moral and ethical corruption, obstructionism, etc, as a party than the GOP. IMO, they are marginally better on those types of points. However, your example of their desperation in Trump/GOP bad news shows that they just have no clue as to how to message and fight. In alignment with your testimonial example, I didn't watch it, they could have done their due diligence in reading the research papers about ivermectin like I did and would have been prepared in dealing with the lack of competency and lack of knowledge of the GOP and Trump. What the Democrats could have done was focus on funding further trials to verify claims, such as:
Ivermectin:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8500108/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34076901/
Hydroxichloroquine:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33031488/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32373993/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8012280/
The Democrats allowed no one to die, the GOP did with their refusal to call their supporters to act in ways proven to reduce spread. The GOP is far, far worse in their moral defectiveness, there really is no comparison.
Like I said, partisan. Personally, I think they're both evil. Democrats deliberately suppressed use of a promising treatment: that is letting people die to make a political point.
I don't know why Republicans are against the vaccines; they were Trump's project. Odd reversal there. But I don't really understand "conservatives", in general.
Hanlon’s razor
Meh. We're so far beyond that now. 2 weeks in? Sure. 2 months in? Definitely. Now? No way. Something really bad is unfolding and it's getting worse, not better as the data rolls in.
What is your problem with Campbell?
Useful idiot.
Not even useful.