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Candis's avatar

Oh, please. Get real.

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Linda Hagge's avatar

Great evidence-filled argument, Candis.

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Linda Hagge's avatar

I just looked it up. Abortions after 21 weeks are 1% of all abortions.

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Phisto Sobanii's avatar

And how many of that 1% fall into this so called "survivor" camp?

I agree with you, Linda. Seems like bullshit.

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Linda Hagge's avatar

Yeah, fetuses are just quickening at 21 weeks, far below survivability, so it would be some small portion of later fetuses at perhaps 28 weeks or later, and even few of those would be survivable. So it would have to be viable, healthy fetuses, at 28 weeks or later, which would be a fraction of a fraction of one percent. Most women at that stage, if they had just learned they were pregnant, would go for adoption. The one exception might be for a very young teen, say 13 or so, who had been raped or abused,and for whom it would be dangerous to give birth. I think an argument can be made for such a child not to carry to term.

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Phisto Sobanii's avatar

IтАЩd like your opinion on something. IтАЩll lead with a joke.

WhoтАЩs idea was it that humans should breath, eat, and drink out of the same hole?

When it comes to reproduction, the details areтАж well, pretty hardcore. ItтАЩs a messy business with any part of the animal kingdom.

But growing up, weтАЩre sold all kinds of bullshit about how easy and wonderful is. In truth, itтАЩs beautiful but also brutal, just like everything in nature.

Is the pro-life position justтАж naive? Like thinking Sol revolves around Earth?

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Linda Hagge's avatar

I appreciate this position, but don't usually take it myself in arguments because pro-birthers are just not ready for it. Their assumptions about everything, their whole world view, recoil from it. But yes, I tend to take the view of Sarah Blaffer Hrdy in her book Mother Nature, that women behave about their offspring just about the same way other animals do about theirs, weighing pros and cons about possibility of success. Many pregnant animals reabsorb their fetuses if they are under stress, using them as food, and will try again later to raise healthy babies. In human women, we tend to behave in the same way, ending a pregnancy if we don't have a good situation to raise offspring. That happens all over the animal kingdom. But to a dualist like Carisa, whose entire reality depends on the idea that humans are different and special, saying any of that is deeply shocking and repugnant.

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