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Hammer's avatar

When I read about insanities like the "Pub Banter Law" I'm reminded that declaring our independence is still the arguably best thing the U.S. has ever done.

And then I hear Brits refer to cookies as "biscuits" and I have no further doubts.

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Shelley's avatar

The hood of a car is a "bonnet".

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Janet's avatar

The trunk is the “boot”

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BookWench's avatar

And they drive on the wrong side of the road!

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DMC's avatar

LOL - biscuits is the real deal breaker.

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Lisa's avatar

What about the suet pudding called “spotted dick”?

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Hammer's avatar

i mean, how is that even a thing? I suspect there is a direct line from spotted dick to pub banter laws. We need answers.

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Kevin Schilling's avatar

bangers and mash (no, not the kind that Marilyn Chambers used to practice)

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William Adderholdt's avatar

I've visited England, and I had to try all the infamous dishes—toad in the hole, bangers and mash, bubbles and squeak, and so on—and I discovered that English cuisine is actually surprisingly delicious but horribly named. Except Marmite. Marmite can go to hell.

Speaking of toad in the hole, I strongly recommend fellow Yanks try the Yorkshire pudding with onion gravy. "Pudding" means something completely different over there, and I'm not sure what, but I loved it.

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John Duffner's avatar

Beef Wellington is pretty awesome too.

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Lisa's avatar

Marmite should be illegal, not free speech.

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Mo Mast's avatar

declaring and actually being independent are vastly different things. thanks to Hamilton the crown remained in control through the 1st u.s. bank.

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Thunderlips's avatar

"Pub Banter" law? Why don't we just sew our mouths shut, gouge out our eyes and cut off our fingers now as to not communicate inappropriately with other? Maybe that's not even far enough. How about lobotomies as to not even think incorrectly?

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Bobby Lime's avatar

We have to fight to hold on to at least our middle fingers.

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BookWench's avatar

Priorities!

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flipshod's avatar

We gotta fight for our right to argue. It sounds like a Beastie Boys song.

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Danno's avatar

Controlling our thoughts seems to be what the elites and petty government officials are really after.

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Tardigrade's avatar

They've said so out loud. "Intellectual infrastructure".

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Shelley's avatar

Actually, IS not seems to be.

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Tardigrade's avatar

Oh, if this is the first you've heard about the pub banter law, you might have trouble believing it. Things are getting truly Orwellian over in Europe.

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horsetheman's avatar

Here is already a good piece on the banter bouncer law: https://www.wildhorsewisdom.xyz/p/a-stick-can-hurt-me?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

It is simply inconceivable to me that any country could seriously be considering banter bouncer or blasphemy laws. Such laws lead to unlivable societies by plunging us back into the middle ages. We need to stop them at ANY cost.

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BookWench's avatar

Good article!

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Hollis Brown's avatar

I was just starting to get comfortable talking in pubs and bars again.

Damn!

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Nowhere Man's avatar

Stop giving them ideas.

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TeeJae's avatar

In a way, we're kinda on that path already, a la Yuval Harari's (and Bill Gates', because of course) trans-humanist ambitions.

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Spiderbaby's avatar

For your consideration:

"I hope this is my last time at this podium. I don't mean that in a negative sense...the only thing that would bring me back is an unexpected event in the next few days. Which is, as you all know, totally possible given everything you've seen over the past years." - Jake Sullivan

Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong, owner of the LA Times and a renowned transplant surgeon, is raising alarms about the fallout from mRNA COVID-19 “vaccines,” linking them to unprecedented deaths and cancers in children.

“For the first time in my career, I’ve seen an 8-year-old, 9-year-old, and 10-year-old with colon cancer.”

“A 13-year-old child died of metastatic pancreatic cancer.”

He has thrown his support behind Robert F. Kennedy Jr., stating Kennedy “knows more about the science than most doctors.”

As an aside I'm enjoying the "Biden deserves a Nobel" blather. I'd agree. He deserves it exactly as much as Barack "Let Them Eat Bombs" Obama deserved it.

Also the massive shift from "soon to be banned" TikTok to "The Little Red Book" is also quite amusing. Americans are either finding out their government lied about China for decades or the Chinese government is manipulating the shit out of them. Either way, it's a hoot!

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DMC's avatar

After talking about how peaceful the ME was in the fall of 2023 I think Jake is CYAing.

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Spiderbaby's avatar

You're probably right. But since they're a party that labels everything that contradicts their blather as a "conspiracy theory," they should choose their words a bit more wisely. That comment, in conjunction with the Pentagon guy caught by O'Keefe talking about an alleged coup attempt to keep Trump out of office, gave birth to...wait for it...conspiracy theories.

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Shelley's avatar

Suppression of speech – Nothing New Under the Sun

1798: Sedition Act criminalized false and malicious statements about the federal government. Several publishers were arrested for criticism of the Adams administration. The Act was eliminated by the next Congress.

1861: Lincoln illegally suspended the writ of habeas corpus and order the military to arrest and imprison tens of thousands of Northern civilians without due process merely for criticizing him and his war policies. Lincoln shut down over three hundred opposition newspapers and had many owners and editors imprisoned, including the grandson of Francis Scott Key, a Baltimore newspaper editor who editorialized against the illegal suspension of habeas corpus.

1917: The Espionage Act established a 24-year prison term for interfering with conscription, which meant criticizing Wilson and his war - Eugene Debbs.

WWII: FDR’s FCC turned the entire radio industry into FDR flunkies by threatening to withdraw the licenses of FDR critics, and it barred newspapers critical of the war from using USPS to deliver its papers.

For quite a while we have had information bearers, whatever the media vehicle, sing the tune of the liberals and make mockery of their opponents. Even mags consider right of center, as we see today, never really were. You WILL carry the water of the socialists and get paid for it or life will be hell. You will suppress contrary to the gov voices or get punished.

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Tardigrade's avatar

Thanks for the history.

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Shelley's avatar

Thanks. Power knows no limits.

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Mike R.'s avatar

Thank you.

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Spiderbaby's avatar

Twixter is gushing over Joe's farewell blather as if it wasn't written by someone else & only successfully delivered by Joe because it's on a teleprompter.

They're acting like the "Oh My Lawdsy Joe's Senile" debate glitch never happened.

They're also acting like the real, not January 6th, coup never happened.

Once again, how does one look at the average DNC loyal liberal & not see that the fuckers are completely unhinged?

Asking for my dog.

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Kevin Schilling's avatar

your dog is one smart puppy ! it's good to see even our domesticated animals are wise to their BS !

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GMT1969's avatar

Biden warns about a forming oligarchy in this country. There already is an oligarchy. Biden and the Dems are at the apex of this oligarchy.

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BookWench's avatar

After he gave a presidential medal to Soros.

You can't make this stuff up. . .

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DarkSkyBest's avatar

O M G. My spouse and I watched the speech last night. Beforehand, I promised my spouse I wouldn't scream at the TV, but that piece of absolute BS was too much.

Today SecDef Austin gave Dr. Jill Biden a medal or something. Wow. Apparently medals are easier to hand out than the SecDef's whereabouts.

Getting back to the speech. Biden invoking Eisenhower. Just --- revolting. I think I screamed at the TV then, too.

Meanwhile, LA+ is burning, and Kammy and 2nd Gentleman are residence shopping in NYC? Get her as far away from the fire as you can so she is ash-free to run for Cally Gov.

No. You cannot (and, for the love of god would never) make this stuff up.

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RN retired's avatar

Ebony and Ivory we’re so happy to see Kamala and Jill so hahahappy

In a joyful perfect harmony

Can’t wait to see act threeeeeeeeeeeee

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John Duffner's avatar

Biden was just mad it's the "wrong" oligarchy.

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@CLJ3's avatar

Joe used the wrong tense of the word 'form'. Pelosi, Schumer, Obamas, Clintons with legacy news outlets, FB, the old Twitter for starters the conduits, Soros and others funding. Glad to see the change on the near horizon.

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Mark Kennedy's avatar

In the good old days, tyrants at least understood that letting malcontents blow off steam in a pub was a good idea. In the end it made them easier to control, and was in fact a measure of their impotence. The blowhards argued and complained to show they were free to argue and complain, but in the end their complaints added up to a resigned conspiracy of "What can you do?" obedience. Today's aspiring tyrants don't even understand this much.

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BookWench's avatar

It's just as Orwell predicted: they not only want us policing our own speech, they want us, ultimately, policing our own thoughts.

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Mark Kennedy's avatar

Thoughts are inherently unpoliceable, vaulting as they do from branch to branch in paths unpredictable and ultimately non-retraceable.

Are you really into books, BookWench? I'm a retired reference librarian with over eight thousand books in my home collection. What are your reading tastes?

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Karl's avatar

You’re right. For some time now, obedience has been considered insufficient. Belief, and even affirmation, are the new demands of tyrants, even petty ones like HR desk-warmers and school administrators.

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Yes. Perfectly stated.

I would add the greatest trick ever played has been to change the meaning of transparency into traitor. The American public loves the government so much now The Truth would be one part shocking and one part unsettling ....so much so; it would be ignored.

Love of government is conditioning for love of gulags

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DMC's avatar

Pretty clear that Zuck and Bezos have not had a road to Damascus moment other than they have a business to protect. Its about rent seeking with those guys now. Funny part is that Bezos probably was doing with the WAPO what they accused Musk of doing with Twitter. But that was OK because he was buying off the establishment.

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Georgianne Smith's avatar

Enjoyed this discussion. I already know how bright Matt is, but Brian's a lot smarter than he's given credit for.

We almost have to assume that most of our exchanges, however innocuous, are being 'saved' somewhere. It's not safe to think "nobody cares what I say or write" until we get that knock on the door.

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BookWench's avatar

Absolutely!

All of our texts, all of our online activity, all of our phone conversations, are being "scraped" by our spy agencies -- to keep us safe!

Yet none of this spying has prevented a single terror attack.

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Brandy's avatar

Enjoyed it. Thanks for sharing. Every time someone mentions that Zuckerberg episode, I remind them that you have been reporting on this for 3 years, that you have the files to back it up, and that they are welcome to read them without commentary. There are so many of these "reporters" acting shocked, trying to act like they didn't call those files a "nothingburger." So, I remind them. That's all.

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David Cashion's avatar

The last scream of a dying empire.

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Mark Kennedy's avatar

The barmaid heard that. Thirty days in the slammer for you.

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David Cashion's avatar

She gave me a choice sex or jail.

I said,well, it ain't long but it sure is skinny.

You are right.

Should have kept my mouth shut.

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David Cashion's avatar

Throw Zuck in jail.

Mean men screamed at me, I had to break the law.

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BookWench's avatar

My greatest fear with the people developing AI is that they are NOT instilling Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics into it. This is proven by the handful of cases recently publicized, in which the AI told the human using it to kill himself.

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David Cashion's avatar

Do you think a Banter law would be enforced in the US.

New report, Americans own 490 million guns.

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Karl's avatar

I guess adding the Bill of Rights to the Constitution was, in fact, a good idea. It was a matter of debate whether such fundamental rights should be codified, but it turns out that depending on custom and precedent stops working when the ruling elite reaches a certain level of shamelessness, incompetence, and gross stupidity.

I’ve been appalled at the erosion of free speech in the U.S. but, compared to England, we come off looking pretty good. Indeed, freedom of speech seems to be making a comeback here, though we have a ways to go.

It’ll be telling to see what happens next. All of the smug, entitled censors need to be rooted out, not repurposed. I wouldn’t mind seeing a lot of firings and indictments, either. Schadenfreude in defense of liberty is no vice!

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EAK's avatar

Matt TY for stating on this interview - as you also did briefly on a recent ATW - that a real problem/concern is that any form of censorship on these social media platforms will be handed over to AI. There will be no access to evidence (emails, phone calls etc) to discover or report. We will not realize this is happening moving forward. I cannot believe the owners of these platforms will reveal this & instead insure it is not. Unless they are threatened with shutdown or financial consequences for or regarding certain content, nothing will change & likely be worse for all involved. We'll see what they want us to see. As you bravely stated, it currently seems likely/apparent on X. Thank Goodness we still have you & Substack for updates, news, reveals.... & most importantly, uncensored reporting.

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