In my take, she's a "Patient Zero of the U.S. Fascists." If anyone is disinclined to agree with my characterization of Honorable Madame Secretary, remember her commenting on the brutal murder of Libyan President Muammar Gaddafi: 'We came, we saw, he died,โ with a gleeful cackle.
That despicable monster, gloating over a murder of a foreign leader, was the United States of America Secretary of State, the country's chief diplomat.
And the reason he died was that Obama gifted her a war so she could run for president as a tough Secretary of State.
I love that her losing the election has completely broken her and removed all connection to reality, but that it hasnโt made much difference as she has always been broken and with only a tenuous grasp on what is going on around her.
Scary Version: feldspar, the phisher, defends her. Apparently, another one of Little Rock's Elite, lawsuit-shopping for Hillary and Bill. No "bull-shit" here, just facts.
My memories of years in Arkansas; I was far safer living on the USAF Base and in the Middle East for 2 years during the height of The Cold War and just after the 6-Day War ended in nearby Israel. Drug-Trafficking and Murders in Arkansas are weekly body counts (in a State Population of around 4-million). That's a huge per-capita red flag that something is critically wrong there. Though, I do believe Governor Sarah Sanders and Senator Tom Cotton are on course to correct the historical course of corruption in the state. Years ago, I did know a handful of decent law enforcement officers there.
Most, if not all, Arkansas Courts were bought and paid for by the elite, and some by organized crime. But eventually, some of those judges became equal opportunity and would take bribes from anyone. It always was corrupt, since Capone in 1918. It's why the Clintons did so well there; quiet pockets of organized crime and their judges and lawyers there always kept folks in fear; always. And whenever they had a few decent FBI Agents in the Public Corruption Squad there, they got squeezed out just like me.
Please try to pay attention: feldspar didn't defend her. He only pointed out to an ignoramus that a person who got a law degree from Yale and was professionally recognized in her field (law) isn't a stunner as a law firm partner.
Also: Huckabee's kid has demonstrated herself an idiot. And Cotton is a UNITED STATES Senator, not an Arkansas State Senator. He deals with the USA, not Arkansas. It's like blaming the shitty electric grid in Texas on its US Senators vs. state officials.
If you felt safer in the Middle East than Arkansas, why did you return?
She graduated from Yale law. Clinton also was "twice named by The National Law Journal as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in Americaโin 1988 and 1991. She was one of only four female lawyers featured on the 1988 list."
She's an accomplished barrister. You may not like her, but it's unnecessary to fill up column space here with your usual ad hominem bull shit. Read her CV. Over and out, Danno.
Being on the 1988 "influential" list when her spouse was Governor of Arkansas had NOTHING to do with her inclusion on that list, right? And some of that crap, one can literally PAY to be included. She is a vicious narcissist, which I understand in the cutthroat world of law and political power may well be beneficial, but certainly not admirable. She also sat on the board of Wal-Mart while all those "deplorables" earning less than a livable wage were collecting food stamps and getting Medicaid. She and Bubba then proceeded to gut the social safety net; eliminate Glass-Steagall; implement the disastrous "three strikes" rule. I mean, she made it cool to be a Goldwater Girl! (actually, I prefer Barry.) She has a particularly sinister world view, has no concern over using "deplorables" from any corner of the world as canon fodder, and is, in my opinion, the epitome of a morally bankrupt human. I'm ashamed she's a woman. We can do better.
Ok, so she was a good lawyer 35 years ago. Then she phoned it in as a Senator, created a failed state during her tenure as Secretary of State, then lost the Presidency to a mentally ill game show host. Can we please stop pretending she has done anything remotely competent in the political arena?
If it wasnโt for Bill, Hillary would be a Senior Research Associate in the bowels of some Chicago law firm. The one who they keep in the basement and donโt allow to interact with clients.
I've read her CV (Wikipedia) and I am NOT impressed. Would the Rose Law Firm have promoted her if Bill wasn't governor of Arkansas? Would they even have hired her if he wasn't AG and in line to be governor at the time? Without Bill she would have been an average legal aid attorney at best.
Feldspar: I thought everybody knew about Hillaryโs checkered legal career.
โAs journalist Carl Bernstein chronicled in his Hillary Clinton biography A Woman in Charge, much to Hillary's disappointment she received the news later that year that although she had passed the Arkansas bar exam, she had failed the one in D.C. โ a piece of information that wasn't publicly revealed until thirty years laterโ.
The DC bar exam was not considered particularly tough at the time.
Hmm, so your point here is that a genuinely accomplished person and a legitimate leader in the Democratic Party, someone whom Democrats truly look up to, is calling for "formal deprogramming" of 70 million Americans.
I'm not sure that says what you think it does. It scares the shit out of me, anyway. And I did not and would not vote for Trump.
Sorry. Been a bit busy since the October 7, 2023 Hamas Attack on Israel, and just now getting back to this, feldspar situation regarding the Clintons. So, feldspar, I'm wondering if you could tell me exactly why, in or about Spring 1984 (I'm trying to locate the exact date), when at an invitational Student-Exchange Program Party at a prominent Little Rock home of a Clinton -Supporting Family, I met a visiting young lady named Claudia, from Medellin Colombia. I was a UALR Student at such time, young, very naive, and inexperienced in politics, and didn't know (until decades later, after my 2015 suspicious near death) that she was Medellin Drug Cartel KingPin Pablo Escobar's Daughter. Maybe you, Barrister Fedspar, being the wealth of knowledge you are, could maybe share with US here, exactly what Claudia was doing in Little Rock, just about 2 years before Iran-Contra Operations Air-America Pilot, Barry Seal's Murder.
Itโs all hypothetical, but I think she would have done great on her own. In retrospect, itโs too bad if part of her calculations were that she needed to marry an aspiring politician to โsucceed.โ From what Iโve read it was never a great romance... I repeat myself, but I think women would have cheered her on if she had left Bill after the final straw.... as in the POTUS getting BJs under his desk....if Iโm going to take the high road, I would say she wasted much of her intelligence and time being on power trips as opposed to walking her feminist talk and possibly make a noteworthy difference
Yeah, that's what I thought when I saw that video above- that's like TRUMP level crazy- and in both cases I have to wonder WHO lets them get in front of a microphone and say this shit?
She's broken because she was promised the win, but the people who actually run things saw the massive opportunity in having 4 years of a neutered Donald Trump as president. It's cute some people still think your vote at the poll actually still means anything or counts.
That would be fine if her ravings were confined to her own basement, but she regular gets interviewed by CNN and appears on Colbert where sheโs treated as a statesman.
They keep putting her on TV for a reason, they are going to run her once one of the hundred charges against Trump stick with a politically aligned judge. That inhuman thing can never officially wield power again.
They put her on TV every time Trump stumbles, because liberals are still mad 7 years later and will be filled with rage for 20 more years that Trump dared to deny her the White House.
They keep putting her on TV because the Progressive left is as clueless and obedient as the MAGA right. As long as they can keep both of those bubbles in tact they can keep pushing towards their 15 minute cities, and global ID and digital control currency, and population control through domination of the food supply. All while mindless idiots scream at the TV or the clouds.
There's a great story about the 2016 election in which Bill Clinton is purported to through her book manuscript in the trash and tell her she doesn't have a clue and that she had no idea how to interpret polling data and she was sure to lose. I always thought Bill was smart, with issues, but smart for sure.
In another Bill & Hillary story along those lines...
During the Clinton reign I was a pilot in the USMC. On one of forays through Quantico I stopped by to visit some friends at HMX-1 which of course included a tour of the Presidential aircraft. Of course we got on the subject of Bill & Hill. My friend, a Presidential pilot, said Bill was actually a pretty nice person and would sit and talk with them. Bill was always respectful towards them and the enlisted Marines and they could see why people liked him.
Hillary on the other hand was different. My friend said there was doubt in anyoneโs mind that they were nothing more than her servants. They were not to talk to her, look at her or in anyway disturb her. She was disrespectful and one wasnโt surprised after the flight to find out the crew had somehow offended her and were facing some sort of reprimand. In short she was a total b!tch...his words not mine.
What does it say about someone in power who treats those who support them like trash? So yeah, I have no doubt she would put people in camps. She is no better than Stalin or Mao.
Hillary is a completely insecure and deep down she knows everything that comes out of her mouth is a lie. That's why she can't look people in the eye and is obnoxious to 'the help'. The truth is going to collect one day, the truth always does.
I just noticed that Hillary talks while looking askance at her listener. She gives everyone the side eye! I'm not body language expert, but doesn't that mean that the speaker is prevaricating?
I have a good friend who had a part time job during grad school at a fancy boutique hotel in Seattle which was apparently Hillaryโs hotel of choice when she was in Washington state. My friend was on duty at the concierge office multiple times when Hillary and her entourage arrived. She gave the exact same description of Hillary. The hotel staff was instructed that they were not allowed to speak to her or even make eye contact. She was often brought in through a back door just so that she would not have to be in the presence of the regular staff. Despite the fact that no staff had actually interacted with her she always left a long list of complaints when she departed . When I asked my friend what her overall impression of Hillary was after being around her she said โ her entire demeanor was just absolutely insufferableโ.
Everybody could see Hillary Clinton was cooked in Iowa. So when, a week-and-a-half out, the Service Employees International Union started hearing anxiety out of Michigan, union officials decided to reroute their volunteers, giving a desperate team on the ground around Detroit some hope.
They started prepping meals and organizing hotel rooms.
SEIU โ which had wanted to go to Michigan from the beginning, but been ordered not to โ dialed Clintonโs top campaign aides to tell them about the new plan. According to several people familiar with the call, Brooklyn was furious.
Turn that bus around, the Clinton team ordered SEIU. Those volunteers needed to stay in Iowa to fool Donald Trump into competing there, not drive to Michigan, where the Democratโs models projected a 5-point win through the morning of Election Day.
Michigan organizers were shocked. It was the latest case of Brooklyn ignoring on-the-ground intel and pleas for help in a race that they felt slipping away at the end.
โThey believed they were more experienced, which they were. They believed they were smarter, which they werenโt,โ said Donnie Fowler, who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee during the final months of the campaign. โThey believed they had better information, which they didnโt.โ
I remember in '08 before Obama beat her, me and a friend walked into what I guess was a fund-raiser, at a bar in downtown Pittsburgh. We just stopped for a couple of $6 beers before we had to pay PNC Park's $15/beer. Why they let us in is a mystery, maybe me and Steve looked like a gay couple or something, but it certainly was a mistake. As we drank, we started making crude jokes about Hillary, and this guy, maybe in his 30's, comes over and tries to tell us off, and then says he gave the maximum amount he could to her campaign - $5,000. Steve berated him, calling him every synonym there is for fool. Just as we were settling back into our beers, his mother comes over... Uh oh!
We chugged our beers, went to PNC and watched the Pirates suck.
"I remember in '08 before Obama beat her, me and a friend walked into what I guess was a fund-raiser, at a bar in downtown Pittsburgh. We just stopped for a couple of $6 beers before we had to pay PNC Park's $15/beer."
Bill is nothing if not smart. A corrupt corporatist, but smart as hell. Your anecdote has the whiff of truth. I'd heard that her staff had no idea what of Hillary's virtues they were supposed to extoll. They were going to make her campaign about her destruction of Libya...until they realized that the whole affair was 21st century brigandage and she was the psychopath in chief.
Bill knew she wasn't going to win because Bill is clued into the real power center of the world, and knew there was simply no chance in hell they were going to pass up allowing Donald Trump to cement their power through division.
I can easily stipulate this remark remark was her version of sarcasm. That does not,however, excuse her utter contempt for 70 million or more Americans about whom she knows virtually nothing. Sheโll go to her grave a bitter, hate-filled, twice failed wannabe POTUS.
I don't recommend buying her book, 'What Happened,' but look it up in the library and peek in the index for an entry on 'deplorables.' There isn't one. This individual still has no clue what happened, or the role she and the DNC played in facilitating Trump's rise in the first place.
Introspection and self-insight just aren't Mrs. Clinton's strong suits, and she isn't open to remedial input. She's going to live and die within a crafted, fantasy narrative, not having really understood a single thing that ever happened to her. Talk about a person who could benefit from deprogramming! I should feel sorry for her; but she's obviously so contemptuous of others, and such a self-righteous bag of walking fertilizer, that it's hard for me to care.
When her slogan became "I'm with Her," I remember thinking it should be "She's with Me." That set the entire tenor of the campaign, the idea that the people were expected to serve their anointed leader. Perhaps she misunderstood JFK's request. Her ego is incomparable, and it was her undoing.
The obvious tweak was apparently not so obvious. Because she wasnโt with us! Thatโs the whole secret to Trumpโs appeal. Correct or not, maga folks think he gives a shit about them.
Very well put. I think the case can be made that it was Obama's "usurping of the throne" that put her over the edge. At one time, I had some respect for her. After Bush won reelection in 2004, I predicted she would be the next president.
That Obama basically came out of nowhere and went from winning a senate seat in 2004 (where the main argument against him was his lack of experience) to successfully running for president in 2008 after only serving a few years of his first term had to have rattled that bird's cage.
The Obama campaign correctly leveraged social media in 2008 - and I think that was the first year that social media was a critical factor. Hillary's team didn't think people would take him seriously but it was the youth vote that was particularly engaged - the people with the least perspective and experience themselves.
After the 2008 primary loss, she really seemed to lose her grip.
She felt absolutely entitled to the 2008 presidency, then again in 2016. She's Rumpelstiltskin, furioiusly stomping her way through the floorboards to Hell and taking as much of the country with her as she can. Stop elevating this woman, consider de-platforming her (as long as we're still in that business).
She once had a stellar record, on paper, but it's worth remembering that she began her political life as a Republican before charmer Bill seduced her into becoming a Democrat. Apparently, people who live to tell others what to do will follow the path offering them the best opportunity for doing that, even if what they end up telling them is the opposite of what they said before. Hillary fantasized becoming America's first female president, and in 2016 that goal seemed tantalizingly within reach--in fact, in the eyes of pundits and pollsters, inevitable. I suppose we can hardly blame her for hating the man who barged in and busted up the party, especially considering the kind of unapologetically crude, macho man he is. In Hillary's mental universe, Trump can only ever be the Satanic ogre who knocked history off its proper course. Obama she could kind of understand... but Trump's appeal just isn't RIGHT, an offense against all that's holy.
I'm in Chicago and, after Obama declared his candidacy in early 2007, I was amazed at how no attention was paid to the fact that he had only been sworn into the Senate almost exactly two years earlier in 2005. When he ran for the Senate, the main argument against him was his lack of experience, which is frankly amazing: no identifiable legal career, no record of any professional appearance in an Illinois court, no academic work (published or otherwise), etc.
The viewpoint that "he's the guy" and that he "had to be elected" spread rapidly. As noted, I think the Obama campaign correctly recognized the power of the emergent social media environment. Even though the web and social media had been around for ten years, the "web 2.0" version was vastly more pervasive.
Obama's policies were pretty unpopular by the end of his second term; numerous polls indicated many people did not like the "direction" the country was headed:
1.) A stagnant economy: the "great recession" ended in June of his first year in office...before any of his policies could have taken effect.
2.) Rapid growth of the federal debt: the federal debt nearly doubled under Obama yet the military got weaker. What the heck did we get for all that debt? Goofy social programs, a disastrous healthcare policy and lots of bank bailouts.
3.) Wacky foreign war involvement: the timeline is interesting:
a.) 2011 - Unilateral and complete withdrawal from Iraq (begun in 2010)
b.) 2011 - Syrian crackdown (March) and rise of ISIS => Millions of refugees in Europe.
c.) 2011 (October) - Libyan civil war and the takedown of Gaddafi
d.) 2012 (June) - Benghazi attack
e.) 2014 - Obama refers to ISIS as a "JV team"
There has not been a stable government in Libya since then the toppling of Gaddafi. Open air slave markets and who knows what else are ongoing.
At the risk of being vulgar, I have a joke about this: Obama screwed Hillary on his way into the White House and he screwed her again on his way out.
Obama was discovered and groomed by Penny Pritzker. He's her creation. Despite the labor record of the Hyatt Hotels and her role in the collapse of Superior Bank (her uncle may have been most responsible), Obama appoints her as Secretary of Commerce. This essentially meaningless "experience" is now used as the reason Biden just appointed her "U.S. Special Representative for Ukraineโs Economic Recovery". This has got to be a set-up for a fleecing on an enormous scale:
"As an accomplished public servant, former Secretary of Commerce, and transformative industry leaderโwith deep familial ties to UkraineโSpecial Representative Pritzker brings decades of experience and expertise to this critical position."
The Pritzkers have done a brilliant job in laundering the family name. The fortune appears to have begun with the grandfather of J.B. (current governor of Illinois) and Penny: Abram Pritzker.
For entertainment, run searches on "pritzker capone", "pritzker giancana", "pritzker sidney korshak" or "pritzker mob fbi".
Obama isnโt black. He is 1/8 black, 3/8th Arab, and 1/2 whiteโฆor in other words he is 4 times as white as he is black. He is not the first black president, but rather the first 1/8th black president. Of course, like everything else out of his mouth, his Ancestry declaration was a lie.
it's a few centuries too late for the American historical legacy to shift from American rules to Brazilian rules. History doesn't work that way.
And yes, I get that the rules are irrational.
Obama is an itinerant academic/diplomat's kid who who spent most of his childhood overseas and his teen years in Hawaii at Punahou, an elite private prep school. No more alignment with the experiences of most ordinary African Americans than John Kerry or the heirs of the Bush dynasty have in common with most ordinary American white folks. Nonetheless, Barack Obama still qualifies as "black", by the traditional American definition.
Not only does she lack insight herself, she has absolutely no clue how to draw it from others. The multiple scenes in the book where she berates her campaign STAFF for being unable to articulate HER vision and explain WHY she should be president are illuminating.
And what a murder it was--the direct involvement of the US Government is a permanent stain on America's reputation and was duly noted by the rest of the world. That despicable decision by the Obama Administration and Secretary Clinton shapes a great deal of the way the leaders of other countries are now treating us--they know what's at stake if the US Government decides to come after them.
As opposed to many decades of indirect involvement in the murder of foreign leaders? No. Itโs been ages since anybody who knows anything has not seen the U.S. as having copious amounts of blood on its hands. Destabilize whole regions of the world? We do it before breakfast.
Let's not forget the, "What difference, at this point, does it make?" snort during the Benghazi hearings.
That her anger at being challenged on this point resulted in a breakdown of any appropriate decorum, gravitas or respect as evidenced in her response was genuinely mind-blowing.
At the risk of offending, that video of Hillary in the Situation Room... im pretty sure thatโs the last time she orgasmed. She s looney tunes, and why women have been so infatuated with her has stumped me pretty much from Day One of โ She Who Must be Obeyed.โ....
Your comment is hilarious. Also, for her and her posse to weigh in on what I need to believe to be a feminist makes me hurl. She insulted Tammy Wynette and said, ". . .I just don't stand by my man staying at home and baking *. . . (paraphrasing)" No, she accepts any insult or degradation to her from the Bill relationship as being part of her power structure goals. She is so not feminist; she can't get it on her own, she will do whatever.
*And, calling Dr. Freud. I bet she sort of hated being the First Lady of Arkansas.
Oh Hi new best friend! Iโm 71 and have never understood the Hillary thing or Hillary actually. So Bill gets elected Governor of Arkansas and he has a security detail that provides cover for him while he nails women in the back of State Suburbansโฆ and Hillary turns a blind eye.. so she may not have a clue as to baking but she has stood by her man one indiscretion after another after another. I would have so respected her if she had said โ OUT you go.โ Remember when Madeline Albright was campaigning with HRC and said โ thereโs a special place in Hell for women who donโt support other womenโโฆ REALLY? Like you said, thatโs not feminism and shame on the likes of Hillary who gladly diminish women or anyone who doesnโt see or welcome her self anointed exceptionalism. But sheโs a woman of the people toting her Huarache Hot Sauce in her $15,000 Hermes Burkin Handbagโฆ.
Hillary is a lying, grifting, murdering, vengeful 2nd rate talent. Bill was the brains & the talent, rapist that he is. The most telling part to me is everyone I know from Arkansas (I live in Memphis so just over the MS River) says Hillary is absolutely the murderer of inconvenient people In Clinton world. This is across parties, Reps and Dems alike agree on this. I usually trust boots on the ground opinions. I will not be sad when she passes.
At the time I heard about it I thought "It doesn't matter what he did, because nobody deserves to die like THAT."
I thought at the time that being liberal meant not wishing torture on anyone; we had spent most of the 2000s saying that not even the people in Gitmo who were actually guilty deserved the torture they'd suffered, after all. We were all outraged about that.
People calling themselves liberals sure aren't against torture any more. They think Assange belongs in solitary (which the UN classifies as torture) and that J6 protestors belong there as well, even the ones who did absolutely nothing remotely violent.
I hear Hillary reprised Roman Polanski's bit part in the movie "Chinatown" right before they offed Muammar. Where Jake Geddes (Jack Nicholson/Gaddafi) gets a knife up a nostril as a warning. Obama (Clyde), I also hear, was the one who held Gaddafi's arms behind his back for Hillary (Polanski).
Hillary addressing Gaddafi while holding a knife in his face: "You're a very nosy fella, kitty cat, huh? You know what happens to nosy fellas? Huh? No? Wanna guess? Huh? No? Ok. They lose their noses (Hillary slides switchblade up Gaddafi's left nostril and slices it).
"Next time you lose the whole thing...cut it off and feed it to my goldfish. Understand?"
I recently read that during the latter days of her campaign in 2016, she was handing out copies of Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer" to her staff to understand the MAGA crowd. how many layers of irony in that anecdote is anyones guess, especially in light of the Resistance Dems taking over the Neoliberal elite...
Hillary Clinton patient zero for fascism? The US government has been fascist for quite a long time. When you allow human chattel slavery, commit ethnic genocide and relocate whole peoples into concentration camps ('reservations'), set up an apartheid system of life for your minority population (including regular lynching and systematic imprisonment for labor exploitation), are perpetually at war while claiming to be peaceful, worship the cops and military in all media, use police, military, and private detectives to kill thousands of workers trying to organize, effectively ban Leftist political parties, and openly assassinate or imprison Left or even moderate left leaning political leaders (JFK, MLK, RFK, Eugene Debbs). Oh yeah, and support nearly every murderous right wing military dictator and conservative religious regime around the world. In a country that does all these things, hard to describe it as anything but having a solidly Fascist heritage.
It's not the US State Department's job to operate the criminal justice system in other countries. The state of Lybia was toppled not because Gadaffi was a rapist but because Lybia defied Fance and the USA on financial and monetary arrangements.
Let's not forget the kill list that would slide across Nobel Peace Prize winning Obama's desk every Taco-Tuesday with his glowing comment "Who knew I would be so good at killing" Like some proud child taking credit for playing guitar when they're only air-jamming.
I was a single mother with a demanding career during Bill's presidency. My parents seemed obsessed with his faults to the point where I thought they needed another hobby. Then I saw Primary Colors and the penny dropped. My second husband loves shopping Goodwills, and during our travels since, I have whiled away the time in their book sections reading enough books about the Clintons and Hillary to be able to hold my own in any conversation about them with my parents--sadly, that will have to wait till the hereafter, if there is such a place we can meet and dish the dirt.
Maybe Obama felt safer, too. I'm wondering if he had anything to do with Comey shanking her campaign at the last minute by resurrecting the private server issue.
I wonder if the rumors are true that Hillary was so out of her mind with rage and disbelief over her crown being stolen away that she had to be tranquilized.
Amazing that a woman responsible for so much death and destruction on a world wide level should sit in judgement of anyone. What is more disturbing is that so many Americans are unaware of how sick she is. Julian Assange in an exchange with John Pilger said she was a very sick women in her need for power although he felt sorry for her. He is too kind, since I could never find empathy within myself to feel sorry for a mass murderer, a liar and a thief.
Exclusive: Donald Trump Followers Targeted by FBI as 2024 Election Nears
BY WILLIAM M. ARKIN ON 10/04/23 AT 5:00 AM EDT
"Donald Trump and MAGA Republicans are a threat to the very soul of this country," President Biden tweeted last September, the first time that he explicitly singled out the former president. "MAGA Republicans aim to question not only the legitimacy of past elections but elections being held now and into the future," Biden said.
Biden's Homeland Security Advisor Liz Sherwood-Randall said: "The use of violence to pursue political ends is a profound threat to our public safety and national security...it is a threat to our national identity, our values, our norms, our rule of lawโour democracy."
Gee,. and I ways saw Biden as a proponent of violence that used his position in the Senate to push war, death and destruction. Not to mention cultivating nazis in Ukraine to ultimate fight their war against Russia using Ukrainian lives to do it. Yuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm surprised someone from her Secret Service detail hasn't kicked her down a flight of stairs. That kind of restraint is an example of their high level of professionalism.
Yeah, internalized. Shame on you, you should turn yourself in preemptively to be reprogrammed right now. (I always worry about being misunderstood when I'm sarcastic on the internet so, even though you probably guessed as much, that response is 100% sarcasm. Fuck her, and the whole Clinton family in fact.)
While I dislike Trump, and he's probably a terrible racist, my uncle tells a story of meeting trump at his hotel and introducing himself and having a nice interaction. After some hours , he saw Trump again, said hi and Trump remembered his name. My uncle is rich but dresses modestly, so he didn't look like a rich guy. He said Trump was kind. I still dislike Trump, but IMO, any disdain he has for the common man pales in comparison to that of Hillary. And he's reflexively anti military adventurism. That alone puts him lightyears ahead of Hillary.
I get that, and I bet he is a nice to individuals. But he put kids in cages, wanted to bomb Mexico, thought bleach might protect against covid, he treats women terrible, I mean who has an affair like that when their wife is giving birth? And he cheats. His University. He is responsible for three thousand of law suits, because throughout his career, instead of paying people, he would refuse payment and then let them try to use the courts to force him to pay. The list of troublingTrump behaviors is long indeed.
He didn't invade Iraq. He actually criticized Bush for doing so at the time. Somehow, the mass murderer and torturer (Bush) is now accepted by Democratic politicians and voters, while the guy who was against that war (Trump) is not.
And as for kids in cages, Biden's kept putting them there, and they were put in there under Obama. So you're against putting kids in cages but you still like those guys?
If you're any kind of lefty then you should care about the drone program far more than "Trump treats women bad." You know what's worse than treating women bad? Blowing women to pieces. Obama started that. Trump continued it, and he shouldn't have, but for fuck's sake have a sense of proportion and treat war crimes as more serious than pussy-grabbing. If you have principles instead of merely being a blind partisan, then you will acknowledge that Democrats have done horrifying stuff as well, and in some cases worse stuff than Trump.
I'm glad that we agree on that, and I'm sorry that I jumped to conclusions about you.
I've seen so many people talk about how Trump is bad while simultaneously embracing Never Trump Republicans or war hawks on the Democratic side that I've gotten into the unfortunate habit of thinking that everybody who criticizes Trump is going to be the same kind of hypocrite. You've reminded me that this isn't true of everybody, and that I should do my best to get out of that habit.
Trump put kids into cages, but it was the liberalsโ beloved Lying Messiah, Hussein Obama, who put the cages there and began putting kids into them. Well, along with Sloppy Joe Biden. It just didnโt become evil until Trump took office.
This is the story you tell yourself. in order to protect your love of Trump. Obama's administration built the facility, but there were never 'children in cages.' Think of it this way: your beliefs and thoughts create reality; whatever you believe, you will find evidence for it. If you believe Trump was the greatest president or the worst, you will find oodles of 'evidence' to support that belief.
Actually, the pictures that your leftist mainstream media was showing all of you sheep were taken during the Hussein Obama regime. Like I said, it only became evil after your beloved Lying Messiah slithered out of officeโฆ but I am OK with any story you tell yourself. Odd how often it agrees exactly with whatever you found in the Kool-Aid.
Democrats keep upping the ante: "we have to censor and silence our political opponents"; "we have to surveil and imprison our political opponents"; "we must put our political opponents in re-education camps."
If you're referring to this: 'What impolitic comment is next? โWe have enough railway capacity for the jobโ? โWelcome, future deprogrammed!โ banners above the entrances to decommissioned military bases?'
I wouldn't consider that "implying" in the literal sense, it is more humorous hyperbole to make a point.
I think Matt is expressing his shock over Hillary saying something obviously deranged, and calling for 70 million people to be "reprogrammed" is pretty shocking.
And it's also pretty shocking how people like her and other gentry liberals no longer hide how much they hate half the country and want to silence any and all dissent.
Hyperbolic but not humorous. And a sizable majority of Americans wish to see Donald Trump and his MAGA flock exit stage "right" forthwith. Nothing shocking about this at all.
"Hillary Clinton suggests "formal deprogramming" for seventy million"
-- the tagline of the article. Great job reading.
It's very clear what he's implying here, and it's not just that Hillary doesn't know how to talk like a politician.
From the article:
"In addition to the obvious observation that people like Hillary seem increasingly unmoored from reality, as well as wilfully deaf to the political consequences of their words โ Maybe we need to formally deprogram you makes the โBasket of Deplorablesโ episode seem like a Valentineโs Day card โ someone should point out that a month ago, on September 8th, Joe Biden renewed the original State of Emergency issued three days after 9/11 by George W. Bush. ๐๐ ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐๐ง๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ ๐๐ ๐ฒ๐๐๐ซ๐ฌ ๐ ๐ข๐ฏ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐๐ฌ๐ข๐๐๐ง๐ญ๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ฏ๐๐ข๐ฅ, ๐ข๐ฌ๐จ๐ฅ๐๐ญ๐, ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐๐ญ๐๐ข๐ง ๐๐ฏ๐๐ง ๐๐ฆ๐๐ซ๐ข๐๐๐ง ๐๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐ณ๐๐ง๐ฌ. ๐ ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ฎ๐ง๐๐ญ๐๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐โ๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ง๐๐ฏ๐๐ซ ๐ซ๐๐ ๐ซ๐๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐จ๐ฌ๐ ๐๐๐๐ข๐ฌ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ!"
When we finally get an article on โStop the Stealโ and Trumpโs attempt to stop the counting of electoral votes your take will make sense. Hillaryโs dumb comments are nothing by comparisonโyet lo and behold, hereโs a whole piece on it.
Words are so damn inadequate to express an idea/concept. โCada cabeza es un mundo.โ & each of us filters โstimuliโ thru our own lens. Perception & โtruthโ are most often highly subjective. (draw yor own conclusions!)
Lastly, it's not just the gentry. Hillary was spot-fucking-on with that "deplorables" comment, and she was spot on saying that Trump cultists need deprogramming. It's not deranged, it's the truth, something people like you endlessly rail against politicians for not speaking.
She's not saying anything about 70 million Trump voters, she's talking about the brainwashed loons who shoot up FBI buildings and think the military is going to execute a bunch of "deep state" government employees once they seize power.
He implied that Hillary is speaking for whom she works for and with. He didn't imply garden-variety Democrats want re-education camps. What a garden-variety Democrat thinks isn't of concern to either side in this conflict. They will shift to the side that wins, in the end, and players on both side are behaving as if this is already inevitable. Garden-variety Democrats will experience cognitive dissonance & a recurring feeling of being talked passed, until there's a clear winner.
Uh, okay? Care to share how you came upon this "fact"?
Formal could mean almost anything. It's given in contrast to "informal", i.e. family members, political pundits, and randos on the internet trying and failing to dissuade MAGA lunatics.
I think you have it backwards. Informal could be anything including all of your examples and more. Assuming she did not mean it would be done by people in tuxedos, formal would best be defined as something executed according to some set of rules or plan.
You could us the old example of "teach ins" as an example bt remember , deprogramming is not a voluntary action.
Total bullshit. 9/11-justified tools are not being used for any of those things.
When OP says "political prisoners", I can only assume he means all the Trumpists (including Trump himself) who have been prosecuted because they committed serious crimes -- how shocking!
No, re-education is the complete abrogation of all civil rights. To be physically arrested and sent to a camp to be changed, to have their beliefs and thoughts molded, so that the only purpose they fill is ideological slave.
This may sound reasonable to you, but only because you are a comfortable fascist who believes none of us should have individual rights that in any way contradict the beliefs or programs of the powerful. You believe we are here to serve. So resisting your fascism means EVERYONE ELSE are the cult members.
But of course, you are the ones saying those who denounce your leaders should be essentially destroyed. We are a ragtag bunch that knows your certitude about these issues contradicts American values. We can simply read the Constitution to which people like Clinton swore loyalty. We can see how these programs of surveillance and censorship and new obsession with authoritarianism: doing as you are told even by self-contradictory and -serving โauthoritiesโ. The Democratsโ newly-claimed total authority to shape the โtruthโ around politics never stands up to sustained debate, logic, history or the fair application of our laws as written.
The only way you can pretend this is normal and not a terrifying slalom into dehumanizing fascism is by using your control of institutions to completely silence the majority: once all dissenting voices are gone, you can pretend your hatred and belief is normal - until they come for the next group of dissenters. Maybe you. Do you eat meat.
At the very root of this story, this is what Clinton is saying. She wants to silence everyone who disagrees with her. Permanently.
But you keep defending these people as the next horrors are feted by the glorious liberal bubble. They probably won't start killing people for their beliefs for a while yet. And if they lose the next election, it's possible we will get some control back before this evil gets any more banal.
So much contempt in that woman for ordinary people, but I must be a misogynist for noticing.
In the gulags, Will she allow trans women to chest feed in the birthing personsโ bathrooms?
Congratulations. You have just won the internet.
It takes a gulag
It takes HER gulag...She's always got to be the top dog.
Brilliant!
If Yuri just won the Internet today, you are a co-winner!
YES! I KNEW all those Russianbots I hired would pay off some day
We will all be in line waiting for our turn for nourishment.
The price of a can of condensed milk just went up.
If โGrapes of Wrathโ were written today this might just be how that story would conclude.
Thatโฆ is a micro aggressive comment, comrade!
Off to the solitary reprogramming chamber for you. One year!
Yes, but only through the front hole
Youโve gotten confused about who the deplorables are and who the masters are.
Of course, just not her bathroom.
In my take, she's a "Patient Zero of the U.S. Fascists." If anyone is disinclined to agree with my characterization of Honorable Madame Secretary, remember her commenting on the brutal murder of Libyan President Muammar Gaddafi: 'We came, we saw, he died,โ with a gleeful cackle.
That despicable monster, gloating over a murder of a foreign leader, was the United States of America Secretary of State, the country's chief diplomat.
https://trygvewighdal.substack.com/p/patient-zero-of-the-us-fascists-hillary
And the reason he died was that Obama gifted her a war so she could run for president as a tough Secretary of State.
I love that her losing the election has completely broken her and removed all connection to reality, but that it hasnโt made much difference as she has always been broken and with only a tenuous grasp on what is going on around her.
Hillary Clinton's one and only credential -- raw, untethered ambition.
That's it. That's all she has to offer.
Don't forget greed.
Lust for power and insatiable greed go hand in hand.
As we speak her Clinton foundation headed to Ukraine for the Haitian like rebuild. More incoming graft detected
Married Bill. Otherwise she would have wouldn't have even made partner in a law firm.
Scary Version: feldspar, the phisher, defends her. Apparently, another one of Little Rock's Elite, lawsuit-shopping for Hillary and Bill. No "bull-shit" here, just facts.
My memories of years in Arkansas; I was far safer living on the USAF Base and in the Middle East for 2 years during the height of The Cold War and just after the 6-Day War ended in nearby Israel. Drug-Trafficking and Murders in Arkansas are weekly body counts (in a State Population of around 4-million). That's a huge per-capita red flag that something is critically wrong there. Though, I do believe Governor Sarah Sanders and Senator Tom Cotton are on course to correct the historical course of corruption in the state. Years ago, I did know a handful of decent law enforcement officers there.
Most, if not all, Arkansas Courts were bought and paid for by the elite, and some by organized crime. But eventually, some of those judges became equal opportunity and would take bribes from anyone. It always was corrupt, since Capone in 1918. It's why the Clintons did so well there; quiet pockets of organized crime and their judges and lawyers there always kept folks in fear; always. And whenever they had a few decent FBI Agents in the Public Corruption Squad there, they got squeezed out just like me.
Thanks for the Tune-up Serpico.
Please try to pay attention: feldspar didn't defend her. He only pointed out to an ignoramus that a person who got a law degree from Yale and was professionally recognized in her field (law) isn't a stunner as a law firm partner.
Also: Huckabee's kid has demonstrated herself an idiot. And Cotton is a UNITED STATES Senator, not an Arkansas State Senator. He deals with the USA, not Arkansas. It's like blaming the shitty electric grid in Texas on its US Senators vs. state officials.
If you felt safer in the Middle East than Arkansas, why did you return?
She graduated from Yale law. Clinton also was "twice named by The National Law Journal as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in Americaโin 1988 and 1991. She was one of only four female lawyers featured on the 1988 list."
She's an accomplished barrister. You may not like her, but it's unnecessary to fill up column space here with your usual ad hominem bull shit. Read her CV. Over and out, Danno.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_career_of_Hillary_Clinton#:~:text=were%20more%20traditional.-,Rose%20Law%20Firm,female%20associate%20at%20the%20firm.
Being on the 1988 "influential" list when her spouse was Governor of Arkansas had NOTHING to do with her inclusion on that list, right? And some of that crap, one can literally PAY to be included. She is a vicious narcissist, which I understand in the cutthroat world of law and political power may well be beneficial, but certainly not admirable. She also sat on the board of Wal-Mart while all those "deplorables" earning less than a livable wage were collecting food stamps and getting Medicaid. She and Bubba then proceeded to gut the social safety net; eliminate Glass-Steagall; implement the disastrous "three strikes" rule. I mean, she made it cool to be a Goldwater Girl! (actually, I prefer Barry.) She has a particularly sinister world view, has no concern over using "deplorables" from any corner of the world as canon fodder, and is, in my opinion, the epitome of a morally bankrupt human. I'm ashamed she's a woman. We can do better.
Ok, so she was a good lawyer 35 years ago. Then she phoned it in as a Senator, created a failed state during her tenure as Secretary of State, then lost the Presidency to a mentally ill game show host. Can we please stop pretending she has done anything remotely competent in the political arena?
If it wasnโt for Bill, Hillary would be a Senior Research Associate in the bowels of some Chicago law firm. The one who they keep in the basement and donโt allow to interact with clients.
Rose Law Firm... didn't she have some billing issues there? Couldn't keep track of the hours she was charging clients for.
Could just be me, but usually one's CV isn't the place to find a listing of one's crimes.
I've read her CV (Wikipedia) and I am NOT impressed. Would the Rose Law Firm have promoted her if Bill wasn't governor of Arkansas? Would they even have hired her if he wasn't AG and in line to be governor at the time? Without Bill she would have been an average legal aid attorney at best.
Wow feldspar, that's as dumb as a rock. Ignore her history and what she says, the old resume is what's important. No wonder people vote like they do.
Feldspar: I thought everybody knew about Hillaryโs checkered legal career.
โAs journalist Carl Bernstein chronicled in his Hillary Clinton biography A Woman in Charge, much to Hillary's disappointment she received the news later that year that although she had passed the Arkansas bar exam, she had failed the one in D.C. โ a piece of information that wasn't publicly revealed until thirty years laterโ.
The DC bar exam was not considered particularly tough at the time.
Does it have her "Foundation" on that CV?
Hillary nothing more than a damn criminal. It was HER bogus paid for dossier. She should be locked up for treason
Hmm, so your point here is that a genuinely accomplished person and a legitimate leader in the Democratic Party, someone whom Democrats truly look up to, is calling for "formal deprogramming" of 70 million Americans.
I'm not sure that says what you think it does. It scares the shit out of me, anyway. And I did not and would not vote for Trump.
damn, bro! That's definitely going to leave a mark on Danno.
Sorry. Been a bit busy since the October 7, 2023 Hamas Attack on Israel, and just now getting back to this, feldspar situation regarding the Clintons. So, feldspar, I'm wondering if you could tell me exactly why, in or about Spring 1984 (I'm trying to locate the exact date), when at an invitational Student-Exchange Program Party at a prominent Little Rock home of a Clinton -Supporting Family, I met a visiting young lady named Claudia, from Medellin Colombia. I was a UALR Student at such time, young, very naive, and inexperienced in politics, and didn't know (until decades later, after my 2015 suspicious near death) that she was Medellin Drug Cartel KingPin Pablo Escobar's Daughter. Maybe you, Barrister Fedspar, being the wealth of knowledge you are, could maybe share with US here, exactly what Claudia was doing in Little Rock, just about 2 years before Iran-Contra Operations Air-America Pilot, Barry Seal's Murder.
She also flunked the DC bar exam.
perhaps the other way around....
Itโs all hypothetical, but I think she would have done great on her own. In retrospect, itโs too bad if part of her calculations were that she needed to marry an aspiring politician to โsucceed.โ From what Iโve read it was never a great romance... I repeat myself, but I think women would have cheered her on if she had left Bill after the final straw.... as in the POTUS getting BJs under his desk....if Iโm going to take the high road, I would say she wasted much of her intelligence and time being on power trips as opposed to walking her feminist talk and possibly make a noteworthy difference
She flunked the bar exam and then went with Bill.
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โฆโ her losing the election has completely broken her and removed all connection to realityโโฆ And a few million others.
Lock her and Trump in the same max security looney bin.
Yeah, that's what I thought when I saw that video above- that's like TRUMP level crazy- and in both cases I have to wonder WHO lets them get in front of a microphone and say this shit?
And put Biden in the memory unit.
She's broken because she was promised the win, but the people who actually run things saw the massive opportunity in having 4 years of a neutered Donald Trump as president. It's cute some people still think your vote at the poll actually still means anything or counts.
Millions. Tens of them.
That would be fine if her ravings were confined to her own basement, but she regular gets interviewed by CNN and appears on Colbert where sheโs treated as a statesman.
And the interviewers sure challenge her, don't they. Laugh, laugh.
They keep putting her on TV for a reason, they are going to run her once one of the hundred charges against Trump stick with a politically aligned judge. That inhuman thing can never officially wield power again.
They put her on TV every time Trump stumbles, because liberals are still mad 7 years later and will be filled with rage for 20 more years that Trump dared to deny her the White House.
They keep putting her on TV because the Progressive left is as clueless and obedient as the MAGA right. As long as they can keep both of those bubbles in tact they can keep pushing towards their 15 minute cities, and global ID and digital control currency, and population control through domination of the food supply. All while mindless idiots scream at the TV or the clouds.
Two words that will not be in the future obituary of HRC; โformer Presidentโ. Thank you DJT.
There's a great story about the 2016 election in which Bill Clinton is purported to through her book manuscript in the trash and tell her she doesn't have a clue and that she had no idea how to interpret polling data and she was sure to lose. I always thought Bill was smart, with issues, but smart for sure.
In another Bill & Hillary story along those lines...
During the Clinton reign I was a pilot in the USMC. On one of forays through Quantico I stopped by to visit some friends at HMX-1 which of course included a tour of the Presidential aircraft. Of course we got on the subject of Bill & Hill. My friend, a Presidential pilot, said Bill was actually a pretty nice person and would sit and talk with them. Bill was always respectful towards them and the enlisted Marines and they could see why people liked him.
Hillary on the other hand was different. My friend said there was doubt in anyoneโs mind that they were nothing more than her servants. They were not to talk to her, look at her or in anyway disturb her. She was disrespectful and one wasnโt surprised after the flight to find out the crew had somehow offended her and were facing some sort of reprimand. In short she was a total b!tch...his words not mine.
What does it say about someone in power who treats those who support them like trash? So yeah, I have no doubt she would put people in camps. She is no better than Stalin or Mao.
Hillary is a completely insecure and deep down she knows everything that comes out of her mouth is a lie. That's why she can't look people in the eye and is obnoxious to 'the help'. The truth is going to collect one day, the truth always does.
I just noticed that Hillary talks while looking askance at her listener. She gives everyone the side eye! I'm not body language expert, but doesn't that mean that the speaker is prevaricating?
Can't wait to read that book
Have heard identical stories from a good friend (also USMC O-5 of that era.). LOTS of foul language, screaming, throwing things, etc.
I have a good friend who had a part time job during grad school at a fancy boutique hotel in Seattle which was apparently Hillaryโs hotel of choice when she was in Washington state. My friend was on duty at the concierge office multiple times when Hillary and her entourage arrived. She gave the exact same description of Hillary. The hotel staff was instructed that they were not allowed to speak to her or even make eye contact. She was often brought in through a back door just so that she would not have to be in the presence of the regular staff. Despite the fact that no staff had actually interacted with her she always left a long list of complaints when she departed . When I asked my friend what her overall impression of Hillary was after being around her she said โ her entire demeanor was just absolutely insufferableโ.
The actual campaign that Hillary ran was terrible.
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/michigan-hillary-clinton-trump-232547
Everybody could see Hillary Clinton was cooked in Iowa. So when, a week-and-a-half out, the Service Employees International Union started hearing anxiety out of Michigan, union officials decided to reroute their volunteers, giving a desperate team on the ground around Detroit some hope.
They started prepping meals and organizing hotel rooms.
SEIU โ which had wanted to go to Michigan from the beginning, but been ordered not to โ dialed Clintonโs top campaign aides to tell them about the new plan. According to several people familiar with the call, Brooklyn was furious.
Turn that bus around, the Clinton team ordered SEIU. Those volunteers needed to stay in Iowa to fool Donald Trump into competing there, not drive to Michigan, where the Democratโs models projected a 5-point win through the morning of Election Day.
Michigan organizers were shocked. It was the latest case of Brooklyn ignoring on-the-ground intel and pleas for help in a race that they felt slipping away at the end.
โThey believed they were more experienced, which they were. They believed they were smarter, which they werenโt,โ said Donnie Fowler, who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee during the final months of the campaign. โThey believed they had better information, which they didnโt.โ
Well, she did blame her team in the end and then pivoted to Russia for her loss.
I remember in '08 before Obama beat her, me and a friend walked into what I guess was a fund-raiser, at a bar in downtown Pittsburgh. We just stopped for a couple of $6 beers before we had to pay PNC Park's $15/beer. Why they let us in is a mystery, maybe me and Steve looked like a gay couple or something, but it certainly was a mistake. As we drank, we started making crude jokes about Hillary, and this guy, maybe in his 30's, comes over and tries to tell us off, and then says he gave the maximum amount he could to her campaign - $5,000. Steve berated him, calling him every synonym there is for fool. Just as we were settling back into our beers, his mother comes over... Uh oh!
We chugged our beers, went to PNC and watched the Pirates suck.
"I remember in '08 before Obama beat her, me and a friend walked into what I guess was a fund-raiser, at a bar in downtown Pittsburgh. We just stopped for a couple of $6 beers before we had to pay PNC Park's $15/beer."
And that was 2008? What are they now $26?
Wonder how that guy feels about his donation these days.
Bill is nothing if not smart. A corrupt corporatist, but smart as hell. Your anecdote has the whiff of truth. I'd heard that her staff had no idea what of Hillary's virtues they were supposed to extoll. They were going to make her campaign about her destruction of Libya...until they realized that the whole affair was 21st century brigandage and she was the psychopath in chief.
Bill knew she wasn't going to win because Bill is clued into the real power center of the world, and knew there was simply no chance in hell they were going to pass up allowing Donald Trump to cement their power through division.
I can easily stipulate this remark remark was her version of sarcasm. That does not,however, excuse her utter contempt for 70 million or more Americans about whom she knows virtually nothing. Sheโll go to her grave a bitter, hate-filled, twice failed wannabe POTUS.
Sooner rather than later. Lets hope.
Well, sooner or later, it will be Her Turn(TM)
But, but I thought it was HER TURN!
I don't recommend buying her book, 'What Happened,' but look it up in the library and peek in the index for an entry on 'deplorables.' There isn't one. This individual still has no clue what happened, or the role she and the DNC played in facilitating Trump's rise in the first place.
Introspection and self-insight just aren't Mrs. Clinton's strong suits, and she isn't open to remedial input. She's going to live and die within a crafted, fantasy narrative, not having really understood a single thing that ever happened to her. Talk about a person who could benefit from deprogramming! I should feel sorry for her; but she's obviously so contemptuous of others, and such a self-righteous bag of walking fertilizer, that it's hard for me to care.
When her slogan became "I'm with Her," I remember thinking it should be "She's with Me." That set the entire tenor of the campaign, the idea that the people were expected to serve their anointed leader. Perhaps she misunderstood JFK's request. Her ego is incomparable, and it was her undoing.
The obvious tweak was apparently not so obvious. Because she wasnโt with us! Thatโs the whole secret to Trumpโs appeal. Correct or not, maga folks think he gives a shit about them.
Most tone deaf slogan in history
Well freaking said bro.
Very well put. I think the case can be made that it was Obama's "usurping of the throne" that put her over the edge. At one time, I had some respect for her. After Bush won reelection in 2004, I predicted she would be the next president.
That Obama basically came out of nowhere and went from winning a senate seat in 2004 (where the main argument against him was his lack of experience) to successfully running for president in 2008 after only serving a few years of his first term had to have rattled that bird's cage.
The Obama campaign correctly leveraged social media in 2008 - and I think that was the first year that social media was a critical factor. Hillary's team didn't think people would take him seriously but it was the youth vote that was particularly engaged - the people with the least perspective and experience themselves.
After the 2008 primary loss, she really seemed to lose her grip.
She felt absolutely entitled to the 2008 presidency, then again in 2016. She's Rumpelstiltskin, furioiusly stomping her way through the floorboards to Hell and taking as much of the country with her as she can. Stop elevating this woman, consider de-platforming her (as long as we're still in that business).
She once had a stellar record, on paper, but it's worth remembering that she began her political life as a Republican before charmer Bill seduced her into becoming a Democrat. Apparently, people who live to tell others what to do will follow the path offering them the best opportunity for doing that, even if what they end up telling them is the opposite of what they said before. Hillary fantasized becoming America's first female president, and in 2016 that goal seemed tantalizingly within reach--in fact, in the eyes of pundits and pollsters, inevitable. I suppose we can hardly blame her for hating the man who barged in and busted up the party, especially considering the kind of unapologetically crude, macho man he is. In Hillary's mental universe, Trump can only ever be the Satanic ogre who knocked history off its proper course. Obama she could kind of understand... but Trump's appeal just isn't RIGHT, an offense against all that's holy.
Thank you for reminding us about this.
Hillary was supposed to be coronated in 2008, but then the smooth-talking--and yes, black--Obama came out of nowhere and cancelled the coronation.
I have no doubt that Hillary bears a deep resentment of Obama, which she must painfully hide due to his popularity.
(Then the vulgar Trump came along and knocked her out in 2016.)
I'm in Chicago and, after Obama declared his candidacy in early 2007, I was amazed at how no attention was paid to the fact that he had only been sworn into the Senate almost exactly two years earlier in 2005. When he ran for the Senate, the main argument against him was his lack of experience, which is frankly amazing: no identifiable legal career, no record of any professional appearance in an Illinois court, no academic work (published or otherwise), etc.
The viewpoint that "he's the guy" and that he "had to be elected" spread rapidly. As noted, I think the Obama campaign correctly recognized the power of the emergent social media environment. Even though the web and social media had been around for ten years, the "web 2.0" version was vastly more pervasive.
Obama's policies were pretty unpopular by the end of his second term; numerous polls indicated many people did not like the "direction" the country was headed:
1.) A stagnant economy: the "great recession" ended in June of his first year in office...before any of his policies could have taken effect.
2.) Rapid growth of the federal debt: the federal debt nearly doubled under Obama yet the military got weaker. What the heck did we get for all that debt? Goofy social programs, a disastrous healthcare policy and lots of bank bailouts.
3.) Wacky foreign war involvement: the timeline is interesting:
a.) 2011 - Unilateral and complete withdrawal from Iraq (begun in 2010)
b.) 2011 - Syrian crackdown (March) and rise of ISIS => Millions of refugees in Europe.
c.) 2011 (October) - Libyan civil war and the takedown of Gaddafi
d.) 2012 (June) - Benghazi attack
e.) 2014 - Obama refers to ISIS as a "JV team"
There has not been a stable government in Libya since then the toppling of Gaddafi. Open air slave markets and who knows what else are ongoing.
At the risk of being vulgar, I have a joke about this: Obama screwed Hillary on his way into the White House and he screwed her again on his way out.
Obama was discovered and groomed by Penny Pritzker. He's her creation. Despite the labor record of the Hyatt Hotels and her role in the collapse of Superior Bank (her uncle may have been most responsible), Obama appoints her as Secretary of Commerce. This essentially meaningless "experience" is now used as the reason Biden just appointed her "U.S. Special Representative for Ukraineโs Economic Recovery". This has got to be a set-up for a fleecing on an enormous scale:
"As an accomplished public servant, former Secretary of Commerce, and transformative industry leaderโwith deep familial ties to UkraineโSpecial Representative Pritzker brings decades of experience and expertise to this critical position."
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/09/14/statement-from-president-joe-biden-announcing-the-new-u-s-special-representative-for-ukraines-economic-recovery/
The Pritzkers have done a brilliant job in laundering the family name. The fortune appears to have begun with the grandfather of J.B. (current governor of Illinois) and Penny: Abram Pritzker.
For entertainment, run searches on "pritzker capone", "pritzker giancana", "pritzker sidney korshak" or "pritzker mob fbi".
Obama isnโt black. He is 1/8 black, 3/8th Arab, and 1/2 whiteโฆor in other words he is 4 times as white as he is black. He is not the first black president, but rather the first 1/8th black president. Of course, like everything else out of his mouth, his Ancestry declaration was a lie.
it's a few centuries too late for the American historical legacy to shift from American rules to Brazilian rules. History doesn't work that way.
And yes, I get that the rules are irrational.
Obama is an itinerant academic/diplomat's kid who who spent most of his childhood overseas and his teen years in Hawaii at Punahou, an elite private prep school. No more alignment with the experiences of most ordinary African Americans than John Kerry or the heirs of the Bush dynasty have in common with most ordinary American white folks. Nonetheless, Barack Obama still qualifies as "black", by the traditional American definition.
Kinda same with โ first black woman VPโ Kamala! NOT.
Not only does she lack insight herself, she has absolutely no clue how to draw it from others. The multiple scenes in the book where she berates her campaign STAFF for being unable to articulate HER vision and explain WHY she should be president are illuminating.
Insight is her enemy - regonizing the unvarnished truth would undo every one of the lies she lives on.
Weโll said.
Let me say outright what you hinted at: HRC projects her need for deprogramming onto 30% of America.
And what a murder it was--the direct involvement of the US Government is a permanent stain on America's reputation and was duly noted by the rest of the world. That despicable decision by the Obama Administration and Secretary Clinton shapes a great deal of the way the leaders of other countries are now treating us--they know what's at stake if the US Government decides to come after them.
That ill-conceived assassination of Qadaffi unleashed jihadist hell on the entire region. Mali still is reeling.
But wait! There's more! Now with open air slave markets!!!
As opposed to many decades of indirect involvement in the murder of foreign leaders? No. Itโs been ages since anybody who knows anything has not seen the U.S. as having copious amounts of blood on its hands. Destabilize whole regions of the world? We do it before breakfast.
Yes. An ambassador dragged through the streets to his death on her watch? Should have automatically disqualified her for office. What a disgrace.
Let's not forget the, "What difference, at this point, does it make?" snort during the Benghazi hearings.
That her anger at being challenged on this point resulted in a breakdown of any appropriate decorum, gravitas or respect as evidenced in her response was genuinely mind-blowing.
At the risk of offending, that video of Hillary in the Situation Room... im pretty sure thatโs the last time she orgasmed. She s looney tunes, and why women have been so infatuated with her has stumped me pretty much from Day One of โ She Who Must be Obeyed.โ....
Your comment is hilarious. Also, for her and her posse to weigh in on what I need to believe to be a feminist makes me hurl. She insulted Tammy Wynette and said, ". . .I just don't stand by my man staying at home and baking *. . . (paraphrasing)" No, she accepts any insult or degradation to her from the Bill relationship as being part of her power structure goals. She is so not feminist; she can't get it on her own, she will do whatever.
*And, calling Dr. Freud. I bet she sort of hated being the First Lady of Arkansas.
Oh Hi new best friend! Iโm 71 and have never understood the Hillary thing or Hillary actually. So Bill gets elected Governor of Arkansas and he has a security detail that provides cover for him while he nails women in the back of State Suburbansโฆ and Hillary turns a blind eye.. so she may not have a clue as to baking but she has stood by her man one indiscretion after another after another. I would have so respected her if she had said โ OUT you go.โ Remember when Madeline Albright was campaigning with HRC and said โ thereโs a special place in Hell for women who donโt support other womenโโฆ REALLY? Like you said, thatโs not feminism and shame on the likes of Hillary who gladly diminish women or anyone who doesnโt see or welcome her self anointed exceptionalism. But sheโs a woman of the people toting her Huarache Hot Sauce in her $15,000 Hermes Burkin Handbagโฆ.
Hillary is a lying, grifting, murdering, vengeful 2nd rate talent. Bill was the brains & the talent, rapist that he is. The most telling part to me is everyone I know from Arkansas (I live in Memphis so just over the MS River) says Hillary is absolutely the murderer of inconvenient people In Clinton world. This is across parties, Reps and Dems alike agree on this. I usually trust boots on the ground opinions. I will not be sad when she passes.
Have ya seen Bill lately? He seems a bit edgy.. as in, now what is this lunatic going to do next?
She's Lady MacBeth with a nasal twang.
On steroidsโฆ
It was a grisly, horrible, slow death for the man. I can't help but imagine that she was behind that part of it, too. It seemed almost personal.
At the time I heard about it I thought "It doesn't matter what he did, because nobody deserves to die like THAT."
I thought at the time that being liberal meant not wishing torture on anyone; we had spent most of the 2000s saying that not even the people in Gitmo who were actually guilty deserved the torture they'd suffered, after all. We were all outraged about that.
People calling themselves liberals sure aren't against torture any more. They think Assange belongs in solitary (which the UN classifies as torture) and that J6 protestors belong there as well, even the ones who did absolutely nothing remotely violent.
He was upsetting the weapons transfer program to Al Qaeda in Syria.
I hear Hillary reprised Roman Polanski's bit part in the movie "Chinatown" right before they offed Muammar. Where Jake Geddes (Jack Nicholson/Gaddafi) gets a knife up a nostril as a warning. Obama (Clyde), I also hear, was the one who held Gaddafi's arms behind his back for Hillary (Polanski).
Hillary addressing Gaddafi while holding a knife in his face: "You're a very nosy fella, kitty cat, huh? You know what happens to nosy fellas? Huh? No? Wanna guess? Huh? No? Ok. They lose their noses (Hillary slides switchblade up Gaddafi's left nostril and slices it).
"Next time you lose the whole thing...cut it off and feed it to my goldfish. Understand?"
I recently read that during the latter days of her campaign in 2016, she was handing out copies of Eric Hoffer's "The True Believer" to her staff to understand the MAGA crowd. how many layers of irony in that anecdote is anyones guess, especially in light of the Resistance Dems taking over the Neoliberal elite...
She never read the book. If she did, she missed its thesis.
Hillary Clinton patient zero for fascism? The US government has been fascist for quite a long time. When you allow human chattel slavery, commit ethnic genocide and relocate whole peoples into concentration camps ('reservations'), set up an apartheid system of life for your minority population (including regular lynching and systematic imprisonment for labor exploitation), are perpetually at war while claiming to be peaceful, worship the cops and military in all media, use police, military, and private detectives to kill thousands of workers trying to organize, effectively ban Leftist political parties, and openly assassinate or imprison Left or even moderate left leaning political leaders (JFK, MLK, RFK, Eugene Debbs). Oh yeah, and support nearly every murderous right wing military dictator and conservative religious regime around the world. In a country that does all these things, hard to describe it as anything but having a solidly Fascist heritage.
And added to massive destabilization of the Middle East as a result.
Mg was a big time rapist. Justice was deserved--the geopolitical chaos and slave markets left in his wake are a bigger crime.
It's not the US State Department's job to operate the criminal justice system in other countries. The state of Lybia was toppled not because Gadaffi was a rapist but because Lybia defied Fance and the USA on financial and monetary arrangements.
โDiplomat.โ
Or you are just good at recognizing psychopaths.
She's a sociopath.
I think sociopath would indicate that she hadn't stepped across the line (acting out in violent ways i think) that would classify her as psychopath.
I think there's enough smoke in her past to say with some amount of certainty -
Hillary-Psychopath
"we came, we saw. he died!"
As if she were Julius Caesar and Klaus Barbie rolled into one.
Let's not forget the kill list that would slide across Nobel Peace Prize winning Obama's desk every Taco-Tuesday with his glowing comment "Who knew I would be so good at killing" Like some proud child taking credit for playing guitar when they're only air-jamming.
There's a theory that he was once (and perhaps still is) a CIA operative. That seems consistent with the above.
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True. How many people do you know with over 20 friends and colleagues who committed suicide?
Who else do you know who had 12 bodyguards who committed suicide? . . . Bill Clinton?
As I understand it, some of them committed suicide twice!
And they still vote Democrat.
Primary Colors. was truer than fiction
I was a single mother with a demanding career during Bill's presidency. My parents seemed obsessed with his faults to the point where I thought they needed another hobby. Then I saw Primary Colors and the penny dropped. My second husband loves shopping Goodwills, and during our travels since, I have whiled away the time in their book sections reading enough books about the Clintons and Hillary to be able to hold my own in any conversation about them with my parents--sadly, that will have to wait till the hereafter, if there is such a place we can meet and dish the dirt.
Hilary is a woman scorned! Finish.
Yes I agree.
I know a lot of 'academics' who never listen to the people on 'the ground.'
I live in a family of academics and apart from one, they assume I know nothing.
I have spent my life struggling as an artist/photographer and I know I have learned more from this than any academic.
Seth Rich. Enough evidence that Hillary should be locked up.
Both and much more
Look up the word! This must be a DEM elitist.
OH for heavens sake.......everyone in the USA is now a 'sociopath?"
How about the word 'misguided.'
This is the problem with the US.....people are so dim that they 'latch' onto a word.
We don't know how lucky we are that she lost in 2016.
There were two big losers in 2016 which saved the nation. Don't forget Merrick Garland. Could you imagine him on SCOTUS?
We owe The Turtle for that. I can almost forgive him for shilling for Ukraine. Almost.
The last good thing he ever did.
*only
I would not dispute that assertion.
Hey hey hey. He took Elaine Chao off the marriage market so she couldn't torture some normal guy for 40 years.
Did it save the nation or just delay the inevitable a few years?
I do.
I do too.
I can't say I liked Trump but I did feel safer when he won the election.
Maybe Obama felt safer, too. I'm wondering if he had anything to do with Comey shanking her campaign at the last minute by resurrecting the private server issue.
Interesting idea. It was a really, really, weird election.
I think Obama would have wanted her to win too though. He and she both pretty much stfu during Trump's years, suggesting he did have some power.
Interesting....
"We don't know how lucky we are that she lost in 2016."
I always knew that.
Never had so munch popcorn fun on election night. ๐ฟ
Live shots from the Javits Center were especially satisfying.
I wonder if the rumors are true that Hillary was so out of her mind with rage and disbelief over her crown being stolen away that she had to be tranquilized.
Madam Speaker, meet Prince Valium.
That's a fun thought.
I do.
Amazing that a woman responsible for so much death and destruction on a world wide level should sit in judgement of anyone. What is more disturbing is that so many Americans are unaware of how sick she is. Julian Assange in an exchange with John Pilger said she was a very sick women in her need for power although he felt sorry for her. He is too kind, since I could never find empathy within myself to feel sorry for a mass murderer, a liar and a thief.
This is scary. https://www.newsweek.com/2023/10/13/exclusive-fbi-targets-trump-followers-2024-election-nears-1831836.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1696429326
NEWSWEEK MAGAZINE
Exclusive: Donald Trump Followers Targeted by FBI as 2024 Election Nears
BY WILLIAM M. ARKIN ON 10/04/23 AT 5:00 AM EDT
"Donald Trump and MAGA Republicans are a threat to the very soul of this country," President Biden tweeted last September, the first time that he explicitly singled out the former president. "MAGA Republicans aim to question not only the legitimacy of past elections but elections being held now and into the future," Biden said.
Biden's Homeland Security Advisor Liz Sherwood-Randall said: "The use of violence to pursue political ends is a profound threat to our public safety and national security...it is a threat to our national identity, our values, our norms, our rule of lawโour democracy."
Gee,. and I ways saw Biden as a proponent of violence that used his position in the Senate to push war, death and destruction. Not to mention cultivating nazis in Ukraine to ultimate fight their war against Russia using Ukrainian lives to do it. Yuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Weโre subjects to cunts like her.
I'm surprised someone from her Secret Service detail hasn't kicked her down a flight of stairs. That kind of restraint is an example of their high level of professionalism.
Contempt that I, for one, am more than happy to reciprocate.
Misogynist? But that's someone who hates women. When was the last time anyone saw Hillary act like a woman?
Yeah, internalized. Shame on you, you should turn yourself in preemptively to be reprogrammed right now. (I always worry about being misunderstood when I'm sarcastic on the internet so, even though you probably guessed as much, that response is 100% sarcasm. Fuck her, and the whole Clinton family in fact.)
What I've noticed that Matt's gone Alex Jones on the Democrats. How awesome is that?
Politics is war by other means and liberals love war even against their own people.
MAGA cultists are not ordinary people.
Indeed. A sure sign of this very problem is if you are unaware of the extreme contempt Trump has for 'regular people'.
While I dislike Trump, and he's probably a terrible racist, my uncle tells a story of meeting trump at his hotel and introducing himself and having a nice interaction. After some hours , he saw Trump again, said hi and Trump remembered his name. My uncle is rich but dresses modestly, so he didn't look like a rich guy. He said Trump was kind. I still dislike Trump, but IMO, any disdain he has for the common man pales in comparison to that of Hillary. And he's reflexively anti military adventurism. That alone puts him lightyears ahead of Hillary.
I get that, and I bet he is a nice to individuals. But he put kids in cages, wanted to bomb Mexico, thought bleach might protect against covid, he treats women terrible, I mean who has an affair like that when their wife is giving birth? And he cheats. His University. He is responsible for three thousand of law suits, because throughout his career, instead of paying people, he would refuse payment and then let them try to use the courts to force him to pay. The list of troublingTrump behaviors is long indeed.
He didn't invade Iraq. He actually criticized Bush for doing so at the time. Somehow, the mass murderer and torturer (Bush) is now accepted by Democratic politicians and voters, while the guy who was against that war (Trump) is not.
And as for kids in cages, Biden's kept putting them there, and they were put in there under Obama. So you're against putting kids in cages but you still like those guys?
If you're any kind of lefty then you should care about the drone program far more than "Trump treats women bad." You know what's worse than treating women bad? Blowing women to pieces. Obama started that. Trump continued it, and he shouldn't have, but for fuck's sake have a sense of proportion and treat war crimes as more serious than pussy-grabbing. If you have principles instead of merely being a blind partisan, then you will acknowledge that Democrats have done horrifying stuff as well, and in some cases worse stuff than Trump.
Rob I completely agree. There is nothing worst than war. Nothing. Let us hope that, whoever is our president, we are never in another war again.
I'm glad that we agree on that, and I'm sorry that I jumped to conclusions about you.
I've seen so many people talk about how Trump is bad while simultaneously embracing Never Trump Republicans or war hawks on the Democratic side that I've gotten into the unfortunate habit of thinking that everybody who criticizes Trump is going to be the same kind of hypocrite. You've reminded me that this isn't true of everybody, and that I should do my best to get out of that habit.
Have you got the notification yet that you have been completely canceled? How dare you write such things where people could read them.
Trump put kids into cages, but it was the liberalsโ beloved Lying Messiah, Hussein Obama, who put the cages there and began putting kids into them. Well, along with Sloppy Joe Biden. It just didnโt become evil until Trump took office.
This is the story you tell yourself. in order to protect your love of Trump. Obama's administration built the facility, but there were never 'children in cages.' Think of it this way: your beliefs and thoughts create reality; whatever you believe, you will find evidence for it. If you believe Trump was the greatest president or the worst, you will find oodles of 'evidence' to support that belief.
Actually, the pictures that your leftist mainstream media was showing all of you sheep were taken during the Hussein Obama regime. Like I said, it only became evil after your beloved Lying Messiah slithered out of officeโฆ but I am OK with any story you tell yourself. Odd how often it agrees exactly with whatever you found in the Kool-Aid.
Democrats keep upping the ante: "we have to censor and silence our political opponents"; "we have to surveil and imprison our political opponents"; "we must put our political opponents in re-education camps."
"To protect Our Democracy"
Democracy will never be safe as long as people are allowed to vote for whoever they want!
I'd certainly like to have a conversation with her on that word. Until she shut it down, that is.
Matt's gone Alex Jones on us. Appreciate that for a moment.
Alex Jones has gotten some very important stuff right. Quit being a troll by trying to tie Matt to Alex Jones.
how so??
By falsely implying that Democrats want to lock 70 million people in re-education camps?
If you're referring to this: 'What impolitic comment is next? โWe have enough railway capacity for the jobโ? โWelcome, future deprogrammed!โ banners above the entrances to decommissioned military bases?'
I wouldn't consider that "implying" in the literal sense, it is more humorous hyperbole to make a point.
I think Matt is expressing his shock over Hillary saying something obviously deranged, and calling for 70 million people to be "reprogrammed" is pretty shocking.
And it's also pretty shocking how people like her and other gentry liberals no longer hide how much they hate half the country and want to silence any and all dissent.
Well they have arranged a demographic invasion, as well as a social war.
Hyperbolic but not humorous. And a sizable majority of Americans wish to see Donald Trump and his MAGA flock exit stage "right" forthwith. Nothing shocking about this at all.
I mean this:
"Hillary Clinton suggests "formal deprogramming" for seventy million"
-- the tagline of the article. Great job reading.
It's very clear what he's implying here, and it's not just that Hillary doesn't know how to talk like a politician.
From the article:
"In addition to the obvious observation that people like Hillary seem increasingly unmoored from reality, as well as wilfully deaf to the political consequences of their words โ Maybe we need to formally deprogram you makes the โBasket of Deplorablesโ episode seem like a Valentineโs Day card โ someone should point out that a month ago, on September 8th, Joe Biden renewed the original State of Emergency issued three days after 9/11 by George W. Bush. ๐๐ ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐๐ง๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ ๐๐ ๐ฒ๐๐๐ซ๐ฌ ๐ ๐ข๐ฏ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐๐ฌ๐ข๐๐๐ง๐ญ๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ฏ๐๐ข๐ฅ, ๐ข๐ฌ๐จ๐ฅ๐๐ญ๐, ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐๐ญ๐๐ข๐ง ๐๐ฏ๐๐ง ๐๐ฆ๐๐ซ๐ข๐๐๐ง ๐๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐ณ๐๐ง๐ฌ. ๐ ๐จ๐ซ๐ญ๐ฎ๐ง๐๐ญ๐๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐โ๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ง๐๐ฏ๐๐ซ ๐ซ๐๐ ๐ซ๐๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐จ๐ฌ๐ ๐๐๐๐ข๐ฌ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ!"
When we finally get an article on โStop the Stealโ and Trumpโs attempt to stop the counting of electoral votes your take will make sense. Hillaryโs dumb comments are nothing by comparisonโyet lo and behold, hereโs a whole piece on it.
Words are so damn inadequate to express an idea/concept. โCada cabeza es un mundo.โ & each of us filters โstimuliโ thru our own lens. Perception & โtruthโ are most often highly subjective. (draw yor own conclusions!)
Lastly, it's not just the gentry. Hillary was spot-fucking-on with that "deplorables" comment, and she was spot on saying that Trump cultists need deprogramming. It's not deranged, it's the truth, something people like you endlessly rail against politicians for not speaking.
Also, Hillary didn't "call for 70 million people to be reprogrammed."
Quote:
"๐๐ฆ'๐ท๐ฆ ๐ฉ๐ข๐ฅ ๐ท๐ฆ๐ณ๐บ ๐ด๐ต๐ณ๐ฐ๐ฏ๐จ ๐ฑ๐ข๐ณ๐ต๐ช๐ด๐ข๐ฏ๐ด ๐ช๐ฏ ๐ฃ๐ฐ๐ต๐ฉ ๐ฑ๐ข๐ณ๐ต๐ช๐ฆ๐ด ๐ช๐ฏ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ฑ๐ข๐ด๐ต ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ธ๐ฆ ๐ฉ๐ข๐ฅ ๐ท๐ฆ๐ณ๐บ ๐ฃ๐ช๐ต๐ต๐ฆ๐ณ ๐ฃ๐ข๐ต๐ต๐ญ๐ฆ๐ด ๐ฐ๐ท๐ฆ๐ณ ๐ข๐ญ๐ญ ๐ฌ๐ช๐ฏ๐ฅ๐ด ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ต๐ฉ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ๐ด, ๐จ๐ถ๐ฏ ๐ค๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ต๐ณ๐ฐ๐ญ ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ค๐ญ๐ช๐ฎ๐ข๐ต๐ฆ ๐ค๐ฉ๐ข๐ฏ๐จ๐ฆ ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ฆ๐ค๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ต๐ข๐น๐ฆ๐ด," ๐๐ญ๐ช๐ฏ๐ต๐ฐ๐ฏ ๐ด๐ข๐ช๐ฅ. "๐๐ถ๐ต ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ธ๐ข๐ด๐ฏ'๐ต ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ญ๐ญ๐ฅ๐ ๐ญ๐๐ข๐ฅ ๐จ๐ ๐๐ฑ๐ญ๐ซ๐๐ฆ๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ ๐ธ๐ข๐จ๐จ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐จ ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ถ๐ฃ๐ญ๐ช๐ค๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฑ๐ข๐ณ๐ต๐บ ๐ข๐ด ๐ช๐ต ๐ช๐ด ๐ต๐ฐ๐ฅ๐ข๐บ."
She's not saying anything about 70 million Trump voters, she's talking about the brainwashed loons who shoot up FBI buildings and think the military is going to execute a bunch of "deep state" government employees once they seize power.
Once again, good job reading.
He implied that Hillary is speaking for whom she works for and with. He didn't imply garden-variety Democrats want re-education camps. What a garden-variety Democrat thinks isn't of concern to either side in this conflict. They will shift to the side that wins, in the end, and players on both side are behaving as if this is already inevitable. Garden-variety Democrats will experience cognitive dissonance & a recurring feeling of being talked passed, until there's a clear winner.
fALsEly ImPLyiNg
From the interview:
"๐๐ฆ'๐ท๐ฆ ๐ฉ๐ข๐ฅ ๐ท๐ฆ๐ณ๐บ ๐ด๐ต๐ณ๐ฐ๐ฏ๐จ ๐ฑ๐ข๐ณ๐ต๐ช๐ด๐ข๐ฏ๐ด ๐ช๐ฏ ๐ฃ๐ฐ๐ต๐ฉ ๐ฑ๐ข๐ณ๐ต๐ช๐ฆ๐ด ๐ช๐ฏ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ฑ๐ข๐ด๐ต ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ธ๐ฆ ๐ฉ๐ข๐ฅ ๐ท๐ฆ๐ณ๐บ ๐ฃ๐ช๐ต๐ต๐ฆ๐ณ ๐ฃ๐ข๐ต๐ต๐ญ๐ฆ๐ด ๐ฐ๐ท๐ฆ๐ณ ๐ข๐ญ๐ญ ๐ฌ๐ช๐ฏ๐ฅ๐ด ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ต๐ฉ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ๐ด, ๐จ๐ถ๐ฏ ๐ค๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ต๐ณ๐ฐ๐ญ ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ค๐ญ๐ช๐ฎ๐ข๐ต๐ฆ ๐ค๐ฉ๐ข๐ฏ๐จ๐ฆ ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ฆ๐ค๐ฐ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ข๐ฏ๐ฅ ๐ต๐ข๐น๐ฆ๐ด," ๐๐ญ๐ช๐ฏ๐ต๐ฐ๐ฏ ๐ด๐ข๐ช๐ฅ. "๐๐ถ๐ต ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ฆ ๐ธ๐ข๐ด๐ฏ'๐ต ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ญ๐ญ๐ฅ๐ ๐ญ๐๐ข๐ฅ ๐จ๐ ๐๐ฑ๐ญ๐ซ๐๐ฆ๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ ๐ธ๐ข๐จ๐จ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐ฅ๐ฐ๐จ ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ ๐๐ฆ๐ฑ๐ถ๐ฃ๐ญ๐ช๐ค๐ข๐ฏ ๐ฑ๐ข๐ณ๐ต๐บ ๐ข๐ด ๐ช๐ต ๐ช๐ด ๐ต๐ฐ๐ฅ๐ข๐บ."
Is she referring to 70 million people? No, she is not.
idiot
Kind of like liberals endlessly and falsely accuse the GOP of wanting to eliminate Medicar and Social Security??
Yeah, exept for the part where it's not false. lol
I agree.
To be fair, they're just extending the reach of the tools given the National Security State after 9/11.
Correct Thus the word "formal" was not put in there by accident when she said that.
Uh, okay? Care to share how you came upon this "fact"?
Formal could mean almost anything. It's given in contrast to "informal", i.e. family members, political pundits, and randos on the internet trying and failing to dissuade MAGA lunatics.
I think you have it backwards. Informal could be anything including all of your examples and more. Assuming she did not mean it would be done by people in tuxedos, formal would best be defined as something executed according to some set of rules or plan.
You could us the old example of "teach ins" as an example bt remember , deprogramming is not a voluntary action.
Or it could just have been a slip of the tongue?
Total bullshit. 9/11-justified tools are not being used for any of those things.
When OP says "political prisoners", I can only assume he means all the Trumpists (including Trump himself) who have been prosecuted because they committed serious crimes -- how shocking!
No, re-education is the complete abrogation of all civil rights. To be physically arrested and sent to a camp to be changed, to have their beliefs and thoughts molded, so that the only purpose they fill is ideological slave.
This may sound reasonable to you, but only because you are a comfortable fascist who believes none of us should have individual rights that in any way contradict the beliefs or programs of the powerful. You believe we are here to serve. So resisting your fascism means EVERYONE ELSE are the cult members.
But of course, you are the ones saying those who denounce your leaders should be essentially destroyed. We are a ragtag bunch that knows your certitude about these issues contradicts American values. We can simply read the Constitution to which people like Clinton swore loyalty. We can see how these programs of surveillance and censorship and new obsession with authoritarianism: doing as you are told even by self-contradictory and -serving โauthoritiesโ. The Democratsโ newly-claimed total authority to shape the โtruthโ around politics never stands up to sustained debate, logic, history or the fair application of our laws as written.
The only way you can pretend this is normal and not a terrifying slalom into dehumanizing fascism is by using your control of institutions to completely silence the majority: once all dissenting voices are gone, you can pretend your hatred and belief is normal - until they come for the next group of dissenters. Maybe you. Do you eat meat.
At the very root of this story, this is what Clinton is saying. She wants to silence everyone who disagrees with her. Permanently.
But you keep defending these people as the next horrors are feted by the glorious liberal bubble. They probably won't start killing people for their beliefs for a while yet. And if they lose the next election, it's possible we will get some control back before this evil gets any more banal.
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Drop the mic!