Please don’t throw your vote away Kathleen. Please. There is no I who can win even 3%. I don’t care if you can’t stand him, we have to elect Trump. All of the things we’re all railing against—-the totalitarian government, the lapdog media, the power grabs, the election cheating, the attempt to make all of it permanent by packing the SC—-only one politician can do this. If they hate him enough to do everything that they’ve done (at least 20 horrifically un-American fascist actions), surely you see it’s not just hate but FEAR. They fear him bc he represents their loss of power and control. Nothing could be more clear. We cannot survive another 4 years of this with Dems & Independents not seeing the truth. Hold your nose and do it for your country. Trump didn’t do one thing they said he did—-it was the largest con of all time & Dems like my sister still believe it all. The cognitive dissonance of “seeing” would destroy their worldview and that’s an upside down feeling. I’m confident that Trump will have a good admiration staffed with people who want to right the ship. And the blob won’t get away with it this time bc they can fire all CIA FBI SS leaders. They can’t get rid of every snake, but if the chief snakes (Clapper, Brennan, Comey, Pelosi, Obama) are fangless, maybe Congress will actually pass laws making our dystopian society illegal. Please consider it
This is precisely the case. Trump haters need to hold their noses and vote for him. The alternative is a nightmare, lots more of the same and then some because they will tell themselves, "The American people approve of what we're doing--they voted for us!"
Well it sure as hell doesn't change if you just whine.
We got Taibbi and Shellenberger in Congress about censorship because the lowly Rs with their barely there majority convened The Weaponization Commitee.
The odds appear overwhelming because the media is suck-ass. That is not the fault of the Republican Party. The overblown bureaucracy is not the fault of the Repubs. Come on, man!
I am all in on the only hope I have left. As a former Dem. As a former elected Dem office-holder. Rs all the way now, not because I want to, but because I do not recognize my party anymore. The Dems don't represent America anymore.
As insane as it sounds, the best thing might be electing Trump with a large enough (R) majority in Congress. He might not have a good vision for the nation, but he would have a chance of displacing the Uniparty.
It’s not insane. It’s literally the only hope we have. Trump is a moderate. Block out the losers. Think if the media actually did their job and were laughing at the stupidity of our current administration and asked hard questions. What s different place we’d be. But they have the govt matrix hose in their brains
Science, please specify what, exactly, is wrong with Trump's "vision" for the country? Because Bring home the troops, Bring home the jobs, Secure the border sounds pretty good to me..
I agree …. and stop printing money, energy independence, cut regulations for small businesses, no tax on SS or tips. Pay down the debt by selling energy. We have more than any other country.
Trump's bombastic racism made the left and the liberals furious. Attention was paid to children in cages, rapes in immigration centers, the inhumane treatment of refugees by the border control.
Biden's quiet racism, and the fact that he's a democrat and therefore beyond critique allowed him to continue Trump's racist border policies and no one paid attention.
Which is worse? Bush or Obama? Bush did obscene war crimes. He lied to the American people. He passed the Patriot act. He tortured people. Eventually, the American people turned on him, especially after Abu Graib. They marched. They turned on that unholy godforsaken war.
Obama did not revoke the Patriot Act. In fact, he gave it teeth. He didn't close Gitmo. He didn't close our black sites. What he did do is take Bush's imperial powers and double down - having weekly meetings about his extrajudicial kill lists which was expanded to do away with habeas corpus and kill Americans abroad. Liberals lunched, because Gosh - he was SO GOOD LOOKING.
What about Reagan V. Clinton. Reagan went on a spree of deregulation, however, he was opposed. He couldn't get it done. Clinton managed to finally kill off those pesky unions, destroy glass-steagel, gut media regulations. Liberals cheered as he passed Nafta! (In his defense, his dirty wars weren't quite so egregious as Reagans.)
Now, let's look at Harris V. Trump. Tell me which is better? They BOTH support genocide. They both want war (one with Russia, the other with China - both fucking insane.) If Harris wins - America will continue to support Israel down to the last dead Palestinian. Liberals will continue to worry about the hurt feelings of Jewish people (ignoring that Jewish people are at the head of the pro-palestinian campus movements.) Police will continue to set-upon students. But - Liberals won't lift a finger because to criticize her would be both racist and sexist.
Say, instead, we elect that openly fascist pig. What happens then? Well, HE sends out cops, liberals will throw a fit and start taking free speech and the consitution seriously again, for one thing. People will be OUTRAGED that he's backing a genocide on behalf of AIPAC and will show up in droves to express that outrage.
Now, I suppose if you are happy with the way things are going, Harris is 'better' for you.
As far as I am concerned - who is better and who is worse is an impossible choice to make. They both back a genocide. And that makes them both equally evil.
Of course I know Trump. I have loathed that guy and everything he stands for since he crawled out of the slime in the 80s and became America’s newest aspirational Horatio Alger.
He has always been a liar, cheat, bully, exploiter, racist, rapist, philandering, mafioso thug. The only difference between him and the rest of our political class is his lack of decorum and the age of his money.
Trump is not a good person, has never been a good person. Just because Harris is awful doesn’t make Trump good.
Exactly. Applaud Tiabbi for exposing this, hope Gabbard moves forward to bring it into open. But democracy is difficult, always and power corrupts, frequently.
Lesser of two evils voting is what got us where we are, so if there are 3rd parties that appeal to you, especially on a more local level, try to talk the D- and R-diots in your life into going a different way.
No, vote for the lesser evil of the two leading candidates, as your conscience will allow. Voting for a third party candidate that has no realistic chance of winning is a vote that only aids the incumbent.
What tripe. We're voting for someone to do a job. Pick the person best equipped for the job. This partisan bs is how we got here. The lesser of 2 evils.... what a bunch of gaslighting nonsense. That stupidity is how we got here.
People are way too comfortable voting against somebody (or party) rather voting for the person who they think is best equipped for the position. A majority for Biden votes were anti Trump. You need the indie vote. DeSantis or even Haley would bag around 350 EVs against the Donk ticket. Now they have a good chance of winning (thanks to their coverage or lack of) and we're all screwed. No wonder they wanted to run against Trump.
I'll also add this: If you think there won't be a change in security at the border and the disastrous, ABSURD and dishonest "immigration" policies if Republicans win in November you're just not paying attention.
More silly comments. The Democrats fought him every inch (or foot or mile of the way. One of the many UTTERLY STUPID arguments they made was that it was too expensive at about $5 Billion. Much better to spend a few hundred Billion $ a year giving millions of invading ILLEGAL, CRIMINAL ALIENS oceans of free stuff. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense
Why I, a lifelong D, now vote I.
Can't defend this.
Please don’t throw your vote away Kathleen. Please. There is no I who can win even 3%. I don’t care if you can’t stand him, we have to elect Trump. All of the things we’re all railing against—-the totalitarian government, the lapdog media, the power grabs, the election cheating, the attempt to make all of it permanent by packing the SC—-only one politician can do this. If they hate him enough to do everything that they’ve done (at least 20 horrifically un-American fascist actions), surely you see it’s not just hate but FEAR. They fear him bc he represents their loss of power and control. Nothing could be more clear. We cannot survive another 4 years of this with Dems & Independents not seeing the truth. Hold your nose and do it for your country. Trump didn’t do one thing they said he did—-it was the largest con of all time & Dems like my sister still believe it all. The cognitive dissonance of “seeing” would destroy their worldview and that’s an upside down feeling. I’m confident that Trump will have a good admiration staffed with people who want to right the ship. And the blob won’t get away with it this time bc they can fire all CIA FBI SS leaders. They can’t get rid of every snake, but if the chief snakes (Clapper, Brennan, Comey, Pelosi, Obama) are fangless, maybe Congress will actually pass laws making our dystopian society illegal. Please consider it
This is precisely the case. Trump haters need to hold their noses and vote for him. The alternative is a nightmare, lots more of the same and then some because they will tell themselves, "The American people approve of what we're doing--they voted for us!"
Good pitch, Alice. Keep talking.
Drew - it doesn’t matter if you drink Pepsi or Coke. They all work for the same people, and the bureaucracy doesn’t change.
Well it sure as hell doesn't change if you just whine.
We got Taibbi and Shellenberger in Congress about censorship because the lowly Rs with their barely there majority convened The Weaponization Commitee.
The odds appear overwhelming because the media is suck-ass. That is not the fault of the Republican Party. The overblown bureaucracy is not the fault of the Repubs. Come on, man!
I am all in on the only hope I have left. As a former Dem. As a former elected Dem office-holder. Rs all the way now, not because I want to, but because I do not recognize my party anymore. The Dems don't represent America anymore.
💯
One strategy for voting is simply to vote against anyone in power (e.g. all incumbents), regardless of party.
Dave, that was my late mother's philosophy, to a T!
Not that she actually did it, though...
As insane as it sounds, the best thing might be electing Trump with a large enough (R) majority in Congress. He might not have a good vision for the nation, but he would have a chance of displacing the Uniparty.
It’s not insane. It’s literally the only hope we have. Trump is a moderate. Block out the losers. Think if the media actually did their job and were laughing at the stupidity of our current administration and asked hard questions. What s different place we’d be. But they have the govt matrix hose in their brains
Science, please specify what, exactly, is wrong with Trump's "vision" for the country? Because Bring home the troops, Bring home the jobs, Secure the border sounds pretty good to me..
I agree …. and stop printing money, energy independence, cut regulations for small businesses, no tax on SS or tips. Pay down the debt by selling energy. We have more than any other country.
No, but a big red wave right about now would be nice. It's fun to watch the rats scurry to the other side of the ship.
Sorry to rain on your cynicism, S.L., but in politics as in life, there is such a thing as Better or Worse....
Ok - tell me which is better or worse.
Trump's bombastic racism made the left and the liberals furious. Attention was paid to children in cages, rapes in immigration centers, the inhumane treatment of refugees by the border control.
Biden's quiet racism, and the fact that he's a democrat and therefore beyond critique allowed him to continue Trump's racist border policies and no one paid attention.
Which is worse? Bush or Obama? Bush did obscene war crimes. He lied to the American people. He passed the Patriot act. He tortured people. Eventually, the American people turned on him, especially after Abu Graib. They marched. They turned on that unholy godforsaken war.
Obama did not revoke the Patriot Act. In fact, he gave it teeth. He didn't close Gitmo. He didn't close our black sites. What he did do is take Bush's imperial powers and double down - having weekly meetings about his extrajudicial kill lists which was expanded to do away with habeas corpus and kill Americans abroad. Liberals lunched, because Gosh - he was SO GOOD LOOKING.
What about Reagan V. Clinton. Reagan went on a spree of deregulation, however, he was opposed. He couldn't get it done. Clinton managed to finally kill off those pesky unions, destroy glass-steagel, gut media regulations. Liberals cheered as he passed Nafta! (In his defense, his dirty wars weren't quite so egregious as Reagans.)
Now, let's look at Harris V. Trump. Tell me which is better? They BOTH support genocide. They both want war (one with Russia, the other with China - both fucking insane.) If Harris wins - America will continue to support Israel down to the last dead Palestinian. Liberals will continue to worry about the hurt feelings of Jewish people (ignoring that Jewish people are at the head of the pro-palestinian campus movements.) Police will continue to set-upon students. But - Liberals won't lift a finger because to criticize her would be both racist and sexist.
Say, instead, we elect that openly fascist pig. What happens then? Well, HE sends out cops, liberals will throw a fit and start taking free speech and the consitution seriously again, for one thing. People will be OUTRAGED that he's backing a genocide on behalf of AIPAC and will show up in droves to express that outrage.
Now, I suppose if you are happy with the way things are going, Harris is 'better' for you.
As far as I am concerned - who is better and who is worse is an impossible choice to make. They both back a genocide. And that makes them both equally evil.
Oh my… you really don’t know Trump 🤦🏻♀️
Of course I know Trump. I have loathed that guy and everything he stands for since he crawled out of the slime in the 80s and became America’s newest aspirational Horatio Alger.
He has always been a liar, cheat, bully, exploiter, racist, rapist, philandering, mafioso thug. The only difference between him and the rest of our political class is his lack of decorum and the age of his money.
Trump is not a good person, has never been a good person. Just because Harris is awful doesn’t make Trump good.
The crimes you of which you accuse Trump were perpetrated by Democrats!! Kids in cages - Obama!! Raped in immigration shelters - Biden!! Etc. Etc.
yep. They sure were. Please don’t mistake my contempt for Trump with admiration for Obama (or Clinton or Harris.)
What about the unconstitutional Republican Neocons. What to do about them?
Exactly. Applaud Tiabbi for exposing this, hope Gabbard moves forward to bring it into open. But democracy is difficult, always and power corrupts, frequently.
Haven't they all migrated to the DP? Who remains?
No. Please vote your conscience.
Lesser of two evils voting is what got us where we are, so if there are 3rd parties that appeal to you, especially on a more local level, try to talk the D- and R-diots in your life into going a different way.
No, vote for the lesser evil of the two leading candidates, as your conscience will allow. Voting for a third party candidate that has no realistic chance of winning is a vote that only aids the incumbent.
What tripe. We're voting for someone to do a job. Pick the person best equipped for the job. This partisan bs is how we got here. The lesser of 2 evils.... what a bunch of gaslighting nonsense. That stupidity is how we got here.
People are way too comfortable voting against somebody (or party) rather voting for the person who they think is best equipped for the position. A majority for Biden votes were anti Trump. You need the indie vote. DeSantis or even Haley would bag around 350 EVs against the Donk ticket. Now they have a good chance of winning (thanks to their coverage or lack of) and we're all screwed. No wonder they wanted to run against Trump.
It's a "feels good" position, the holder of which can look in the mirror and tell themself what a bitchin' guy they are...
Nonsense.
You're circling the drain.
Exactly.
Don't throw your vote into the abyss.
Vote for anyone BUT a D or and R.
Huh?? Voting for anyone other than a "D" or "R" IS "throwing your vote into the abyss".
Nonsense. The Uniparty IS THE ABYSS.
Nonsense. If you vote for someone who has no chance of winning, what have you accomplished?
If you vote for the Uniparty, which guarantees perpetuation of what we have, what have you accomplished.
In voting your conscience, you at least will sleep better at night. That's at least SOMETHING.
Voting for the Uniparty accomplishes perpetuation of nonsense. That is a BAD thing.
So the choice should be clear.
I'll also add this: If you think there won't be a change in security at the border and the disastrous, ABSURD and dishonest "immigration" policies if Republicans win in November you're just not paying attention.
Really? Trump had 4 YEARS to build the wall. He built 48 miles.
He could have done a fucking GOFUNDME, raised the money, and had it built in 4 years. Oh wait, his buddies did that, but they pilfered the money.
GMAFB
What would he run on if the wall was ACTUALLY built?
Smh.
He also never came after VISA overstays, which is half, or more, of the immigration problem.
Not serious.
More silly comments. The Democrats fought him every inch (or foot or mile of the way. One of the many UTTERLY STUPID arguments they made was that it was too expensive at about $5 Billion. Much better to spend a few hundred Billion $ a year giving millions of invading ILLEGAL, CRIMINAL ALIENS oceans of free stuff. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense
Drew, if I had truly "voted my conscience" I'm not sure I would have voted even once in my entire life... certainly far far less than I have voted...
Have noticed that the more we vote for “lesser” evil, the more these assholes move to the dark side?
Run a legit candida.
That's a useful myth.