How many folks shouting “My body, my choice!” and “My body, my rights!” about vaccinations are anti-abortion? And FFS, equating a vaccination with pregnancy?
How many folks shouting “My body, my choice!” and “My body, my rights!” about vaccinations are anti-abortion? And FFS, equating a vaccination with pregnancy?
What species are you? So you really believe a heartbeat is what determines whether someone is alive? Do you realize how common you just made resurrection? That could mean that heart donors have been buried alive and the recipients are zombies. News Flash: We're discussing humans so what's relevant is how death is determined for that species. "Brain death" is a specific condition with a very well defined way to determine whether someone is or isn't brain dead. NO ONE has ever come back from brain death whereas a LOT of folks lived on after their hearts have stopped for all kinds of reasons. Who you are is determined by your brain. If we could transplant brains, if your brain got put in someone else's body, which one would you say is you? If your body died with the other persons brain in it, would you claim you were dead?
Perhaps you're one of those sick fucks who think a brain dead person should be kept on life support? That's one of those really warped ideas that religion gets people to believe. If someone's brain is gone, they're GONE, period, there simply isn't a rational excuse to deny this.
So, this brain activity criteria does not occur until the fetus sees the light of day? A newborn’s activity the first four weeks of life is sleeping 90% of the time , in the fetal position, as if it was still in the womb...only difference in activity really is receiving nutrition orally rather than through the umbilical cord.
Wow, you're not very good at parsing sentences, you think I'm pushing for post-partum abortions? Sometimes I think it should be legal to the age of 80 or 90. The fetal heartbeat criteria is BS, there isn't really a heart yet, just some oscillating circuits.
No, just pointing out the flaw in your argument regarding fetal brain activity...when does that begin? By your argument, fetus don’t have cerebral activity and that is incorrect. Is their a switch the OB turns on when the baby is born? Oh, maybe that’s why they spank them? I agree that the early heart beat is very primary and just the beginnings of a heart, but the same holds true of the fetal brain development.
Where is the flaw? All I said was that heartbeat is not an indication or determiner of life but that brain activity was, I never mentioned how to use that as a criteria for life beginning. There is no correct answer for this question, but to claim at conception a new human exists is silly, there is no brain so there is no person.
I agree with that... I’m disagreeing that that holds true through gestation. Former Senator Boxer stated that until you put the infant in a car seat and leave the hospital, it has no rights....
I'm pro-choice, ardently pro-second amendment, and I am for choice in getting/not getting vaccinated.
My question would be, how many folks shouting "My body, my choice!" are also shouting, "My individual right to own a firearm must be protected at all costs!"
My guess is not very many, which is based in factual evidence.
Wow. A fellow pro-choice, pro 2A citizen, vaccine choice. It's a rare combo. Thought my husband and I were alone on this. Nice to know there are still some intelligent, logically consistent Americans out there. Thank you!
I think we are being legislated to death and I'm sick of being infantilized. It's like everyone believes in individual sovereignty excepting their pet cause — a cause they are sure will bring about the ideal society. The wave we are going through now reminds of nothing so much as the eugenicist movement in the early 20th century. Progressives were convinced that controlling reproduction would bring about an ideal, ordered society of superior genetic strains. Woke ideology is just another form of this utopia seeking. So is the whole pro-life plank. We will have a moral society and if not, we are not above coercing it through the courts or the congress.
“Can you do something about morning after pills and birth control, because I think it’s destroying the fabric of our society, giving women incentives to be promiscuous,” Ms Windsor asked the governor.
I am sick to death of idealists, utopians, grifters, control freaks, moral scolds, pro-lifers, puritans, etc. Unless I am causing actual, physical harm to your body or your property, leave me the f' alone!!
So the subject of the mandate is irrelevant? Sorry, it's disingenuous at best to ignore the consequences of a given mandate. Vaccines are mandatory for kids to go to school, why haven't y'all been up in arms about that all this time?
How many folks shouting “My body, my choice!” and “My body, my rights!” about vaccinations are anti-abortion? And FFS, equating a vaccination with pregnancy?
Note to Mechtheist. The baby's body is not the mother's body. Period. It also has a heart beat. You stop a heart beat? You've stopped a life. Period.
Really? That's absurd, heartbeat is not the indication of life, it's brain activity. Surgeons stop the heart routinely, their patients are NOT dead.
No, what you’re saying is absurd. Some animal species don’t even have brains.
What species are you? So you really believe a heartbeat is what determines whether someone is alive? Do you realize how common you just made resurrection? That could mean that heart donors have been buried alive and the recipients are zombies. News Flash: We're discussing humans so what's relevant is how death is determined for that species. "Brain death" is a specific condition with a very well defined way to determine whether someone is or isn't brain dead. NO ONE has ever come back from brain death whereas a LOT of folks lived on after their hearts have stopped for all kinds of reasons. Who you are is determined by your brain. If we could transplant brains, if your brain got put in someone else's body, which one would you say is you? If your body died with the other persons brain in it, would you claim you were dead?
Perhaps you're one of those sick fucks who think a brain dead person should be kept on life support? That's one of those really warped ideas that religion gets people to believe. If someone's brain is gone, they're GONE, period, there simply isn't a rational excuse to deny this.
So, this brain activity criteria does not occur until the fetus sees the light of day? A newborn’s activity the first four weeks of life is sleeping 90% of the time , in the fetal position, as if it was still in the womb...only difference in activity really is receiving nutrition orally rather than through the umbilical cord.
Wow, you're not very good at parsing sentences, you think I'm pushing for post-partum abortions? Sometimes I think it should be legal to the age of 80 or 90. The fetal heartbeat criteria is BS, there isn't really a heart yet, just some oscillating circuits.
No, just pointing out the flaw in your argument regarding fetal brain activity...when does that begin? By your argument, fetus don’t have cerebral activity and that is incorrect. Is their a switch the OB turns on when the baby is born? Oh, maybe that’s why they spank them? I agree that the early heart beat is very primary and just the beginnings of a heart, but the same holds true of the fetal brain development.
Where is the flaw? All I said was that heartbeat is not an indication or determiner of life but that brain activity was, I never mentioned how to use that as a criteria for life beginning. There is no correct answer for this question, but to claim at conception a new human exists is silly, there is no brain so there is no person.
I agree with that... I’m disagreeing that that holds true through gestation. Former Senator Boxer stated that until you put the infant in a car seat and leave the hospital, it has no rights....
I'm pro-choice, ardently pro-second amendment, and I am for choice in getting/not getting vaccinated.
My question would be, how many folks shouting "My body, my choice!" are also shouting, "My individual right to own a firearm must be protected at all costs!"
My guess is not very many, which is based in factual evidence.
Both "sides" are profoundly stupid.
Wow. A fellow pro-choice, pro 2A citizen, vaccine choice. It's a rare combo. Thought my husband and I were alone on this. Nice to know there are still some intelligent, logically consistent Americans out there. Thank you!
I think we are being legislated to death and I'm sick of being infantilized. It's like everyone believes in individual sovereignty excepting their pet cause — a cause they are sure will bring about the ideal society. The wave we are going through now reminds of nothing so much as the eugenicist movement in the early 20th century. Progressives were convinced that controlling reproduction would bring about an ideal, ordered society of superior genetic strains. Woke ideology is just another form of this utopia seeking. So is the whole pro-life plank. We will have a moral society and if not, we are not above coercing it through the courts or the congress.
Case in point: https://news.yahoo.com/texas-governor-questioned-whether-outlaw-223657382.html
“Can you do something about morning after pills and birth control, because I think it’s destroying the fabric of our society, giving women incentives to be promiscuous,” Ms Windsor asked the governor.
I am sick to death of idealists, utopians, grifters, control freaks, moral scolds, pro-lifers, puritans, etc. Unless I am causing actual, physical harm to your body or your property, leave me the f' alone!!
Well, I can't believe nobody is out there chanting 'my house, my choice'.
What about your house?
So the subject of the mandate is irrelevant? Sorry, it's disingenuous at best to ignore the consequences of a given mandate. Vaccines are mandatory for kids to go to school, why haven't y'all been up in arms about that all this time?
Because children don't have choice. Their parents make that choice for them.
So these parents don't care about their children?