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Lzy's avatar

Note to Mechtheist. The baby's body is not the mother's body. Period. It also has a heart beat. You stop a heart beat? You've stopped a life. Period.

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mechtheist's avatar

Really? That's absurd, heartbeat is not the indication of life, it's brain activity. Surgeons stop the heart routinely, their patients are NOT dead.

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Mark's avatar

No, what youтАЩre saying is absurd. Some animal species donтАЩt even have brains.

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mechtheist's avatar

What species are you? So you really believe a heartbeat is what determines whether someone is alive? Do you realize how common you just made resurrection? That could mean that heart donors have been buried alive and the recipients are zombies. News Flash: We're discussing humans so what's relevant is how death is determined for that species. "Brain death" is a specific condition with a very well defined way to determine whether someone is or isn't brain dead. NO ONE has ever come back from brain death whereas a LOT of folks lived on after their hearts have stopped for all kinds of reasons. Who you are is determined by your brain. If we could transplant brains, if your brain got put in someone else's body, which one would you say is you? If your body died with the other persons brain in it, would you claim you were dead?

Perhaps you're one of those sick fucks who think a brain dead person should be kept on life support? That's one of those really warped ideas that religion gets people to believe. If someone's brain is gone, they're GONE, period, there simply isn't a rational excuse to deny this.

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

So, this brain activity criteria does not occur until the fetus sees the light of day? A newbornтАЩs activity the first four weeks of life is sleeping 90% of the time , in the fetal position, as if it was still in the womb...only difference in activity really is receiving nutrition orally rather than through the umbilical cord.

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mechtheist's avatar

Wow, you're not very good at parsing sentences, you think I'm pushing for post-partum abortions? Sometimes I think it should be legal to the age of 80 or 90. The fetal heartbeat criteria is BS, there isn't really a heart yet, just some oscillating circuits.

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

No, just pointing out the flaw in your argument regarding fetal brain activity...when does that begin? By your argument, fetus donтАЩt have cerebral activity and that is incorrect. Is their a switch the OB turns on when the baby is born? Oh, maybe thatтАЩs why they spank them? I agree that the early heart beat is very primary and just the beginnings of a heart, but the same holds true of the fetal brain development.

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mechtheist's avatar

Where is the flaw? All I said was that heartbeat is not an indication or determiner of life but that brain activity was, I never mentioned how to use that as a criteria for life beginning. There is no correct answer for this question, but to claim at conception a new human exists is silly, there is no brain so there is no person.

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

I agree with that... IтАЩm disagreeing that that holds true through gestation. Former Senator Boxer stated that until you put the infant in a car seat and leave the hospital, it has no rights....

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