Simple: It's illegal to bypass the usual red tape and deploy an "emergency" vaccine unless all other alternatives have been thoroughly exhausted. And this emergency vaccine has turned out to be VERY profitable. Not to mention that mRNA "vaccines" have gone from "promising but experimental" to "largest trial of unproven medicine in human …
Simple: It's illegal to bypass the usual red tape and deploy an "emergency" vaccine unless all other alternatives have been thoroughly exhausted. And this emergency vaccine has turned out to be VERY profitable. Not to mention that mRNA "vaccines" have gone from "promising but experimental" to "largest trial of unproven medicine in human history". in order for this to happen, they had to sell the story that there were ZERO other possible alternatives. Hydroxychloroquine was easy. Just mention that Trump supported it and watch the lemmings form ranks. Ivermectin was harder and required this kind of full court press to suppress even the POSSIBILITY of its effectiveness.
I'm not against properly vetted and tested vaccines, but you won't get me to take any of these. I had a family member end up in the hospital from the Moderna one. They were told in no uncertain terms that it was the direct result of the vaccine, and they if they hadn't come to the hospital when they did, they would've died. (And I know that the J&J vaccine isn't mRNA, but it has its own problems.)
Now to be clear, I have no earthly idea if ivermectin, or hydroxychloroquine, or vitamin D, or any of the other alternative treatments are effective. But their life saving potential is irrelevant as long as they threaten profits.
This is crazy! There are so many instances in comments everywhere where people are talking about people they know that are having serious reactions to these experimental vaccines.
Luckily, no one I know has had adverse effects, though my mother who took the vaccine knows of people who have.
I refuse to take the experimental vaccines because of the lack of long term testing. I’ll wait until the mass public clinical trial is over.
I have looked into claims people say about people they know, or family members. So far, every one has been fabricated. There are rare reactions. And there are coincidences. If you gave everyone a 1 nanogram of sugar pill, there would be associations found with various conditions and claims of harm.
As far as I care, he could be a quantum physicist, a circus acrobat, or a spiritual medium. I speak only from my personal experience.
My father (28 years older than me) suffered nearly identical symptoms from his first dose of the Pfizer vaccine to the ones I suffered from my second dose; nausea, dizziness, muscle aches, dry heaves. We were both laid up for about a week. Perhaps we are of inferior genetic stock.
I recognize that this is anecdotal evidence from an anonymous person on the internet and is therefore unworthy of scientific study. Maybe I am just going through a futile effort to clown an incredibly small audience; anybody can choose for themselves to assess the credibility of my comments.
I am sorry. I should have been clearer, since I certainly do not endorse his viewpoint.
My point is that as a virologist (maker of vaccines, in effect) he is not an unbiased party. On this topic he has consistently sided with the Big Pharma party line. Does not mean he is wrong, but you should know who you are dealing with.
FWIW if you are clowning Grisha, it is superb, and very entertaining. :)
I got the Pfizer shot with trepidation, but perhaps false confidence. I carry the lucky version of the CF gene which makes my immune system robust, so I felt safe. Lo and behold, zero issues.
Where I live, 85% of people are vaccinated. Nobody knows anybody who was sick for more than a day and a half after receiving an injection. I know one woman who had a big, painful red lump on her arm for about a week. One woman I know has a friend in Austria who had to be hospitalized for an allergic reaction after receiving a dose of AstraZeneca. That's the worst I've heard of, after weeks of discussing side effects with friends and family.
I don't know what's wrong with you people that you're getting so sick.
Probably also possible that a vaccine stresses a person's immune system in such a way that they temporarily become more susceptible to catching a cold or the flu.
It's a lot of bitching about a shot that could potentially save their life later on down the line.
Don't think they're saying there's "no problem" -- just talking about personal experience. If anything, I suspect this highly unscientific subthread study roughly mirrors what is going on in the real world.
Person 1: No side effects
Person 2: Annoyed for 2 or 3 days
Person 3: Fucked up and bedridden for a week
Person 4: Can't post because they're hospitalized and/or dead
My mom is super pro-vaccine (she tried to convince me to take it and has thankfully given up) and she said everyone she knew had reactions. Some people were floored for a whole week. Some people got so sick from the first reaction that they refused to take the second dose and these are all elderly people who are super afraid of Covid. This is not fabricated.
Over 5k people in the US have died alone. 2 studies have shown that VAERS reporting system only captures at most 10% of vaccine injury. Hundreds of thousands have reported adverse effects. Do the math.
So you think the hundreds of thousands of people who took the time to report adverse events are lying? What about the ones who died? Oh, right, big Pharma, who basically runs the FDA and CDC, NIH, etc, says there is not a definitive link, so you know, nothing to see here. Nice ad hominem btw....not really. Critical thinking apparently isn't your cup of tea.
"More than 310 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through June 14, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 5,343 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA"
Yeah, sure. The CDC and FDA pause the administration of the J&J vaccine to investigate side effects that are barely above the level of statistical noise (blood clots in roughly three-in-a-million people) but you believe that 5000 people have died from the other vaccines. Does that really seem likely to you?
Yes, it does to him because he is sucking the swill that the antivaxxers feed him. He echoes their blabber like a parrot. Big tech makes over a billion a year off of that. Antivax leaders get rich off of his ignorance. And, I know that Mercola employs troll farms to attack anybody who outs him for his lies. Mercola moved to Florida to enjoy his millions he made of of people like Johnny.
It's toy store propaganda, but sill malicious and maddening. It's not even carefully assembled. A lot of this stuff, too, is parroted second hand propaganda, and the fertilizers and irrigaters here accept it at face value when they unearth it. And then when it's demonstrated to them that its bullshit, they either start doubling down on the nonsense, or commence the aggrieved routine.
It's such hopeless stupidity. Why do people believe in this nonsense? I'm sure books have been written about why people fall for conspiracy theory bullshit, and I should read some of them.
Are these people so afraid that maybe somebody is tricking them that they'll believe anybody who tells them they're being tricked?
Do they want to feel superior to other people by having "special knowledge" that other people don't have or don't believe?
It's the same with the rigged-election bullshit. They can't name a single actual person who provably committed voter fraud (in Biden's favor) but they're sure it happened in tens of thousands of cases. Likewise, they can't name a single individual who has died from receiving an mRNA vaccine but they're certain it has happened to 5000 people. Any rational person would immediately recognize that these situations are problematic, at least. But not these idiots. It's fascinating.
My friend's father died--after having reactions for two straight weeks. Does that count? Oh, and the pharmacist in NY's SoHo who lost sight in one eye. And my friend who now has annoying tinnitus.
Very interesting is the NYT article on how the vaccine affects women's cycles--especially the comments, reporting many side effects. Then there was the article on the virus causing tinnitus--75 comments, 8 of which reported new tinnitus, increased tinnitus, hearing loss from the VACCINE.
But there is no research or follow-up. There is no tracking of everyone who is vaccinated. Where is the follow-up that is supposed to be occur with and an emergency released product? How can you claim safety when the only reporting systems we have you say are worthless because they are passive/voluntary/open. Yet we have no systematic follow-up. Where are the regular follow-up questionnaires? Why is there no mandatory reporting? If you attack the passive system why not ask for realtime research regarding these reported deaths via VAERS. And you do know that VAERS is the only place people can go to report any vaccine injury?
And most people don't even know about VAERS. I have told two people who have had severe reactions--my friend mentioned with the psychotic episodes and another with tinnitus--and they have said they will--I do know, however, it is a complicated process.
I won't respond to this. All your questions have been answered here in the comments, and can be just as easily answered with a simple google search. Don't be lazy.
What kind of psychotic depopulation experiment kills off only the people who do what you tell them to and leaves alive only the most stubborn and resistant to your control? Look at actual depopulation experiments like Hitler in the 30s and 40s, and the pattern is exactly the opposite. I agree that this is not at all above board, but I think it's better explained by big pharma wanting their customers' arms twisted.
I work on longevity. Working on submitting a paper as I write this. The risk/reward is all the other direction. I made my own vaccine (A DNA vax) and took it march of 2020. And then took Pfizer's 2 doses a month ago.
There is absolutely no logic to thinking it will reduce your longevity. Not getting vaccinated is likely to.
I don't know what to tell you, man. If I had a way of proving it while still preserving their privacy I would do it, but I don't really care enough what internet strangers think of me to dox the person in question. It's second hand information for the people here, fine, but it's first hand for me. I visited them in the hospital and was the one to drive them home when they left.
Maybe it's a rare reaction, but rare doesn't mean that it didn't happen, and exactly zero of the doctors she saw thought it was coincidence.
This is a very odd comment because the trials themselves pegged the rate of serious reactions at between 10% and 20%. This feels about right given the comments I've heard from people I personally know who have taken it.
The last one was especially entertaining or aggravating depending on your perspective. I ended up arguing with an actual immunologist I am remotely acquainted with, and he finished by giving a little speech about how the word pandemic means "all" and that we're in a society and all in it together etc. He told me to take the vaccine because it's "perfectly safe". Then he mentioned it made him so sick he'd been unable to move for a day. Ah yes: "makes me so sick I can't work" is indeed the dictionary definition of "perfectly safe".
Please. It's extremely clear at this point that severe reactions including deaths are not being reported. Look at the case of Simone Scott. The parents had to go to Alex Berenson, presumably none of the other outlets would touch the story at all:
They very clearly state that they had to push hard to get this event reported to the tracking systems at all. How many other cases like that are happening where people aren't strong-willed enough to go around their doctors?
"This is a very odd comment because the trials themselves pegged the rate of serious reactions at between 10% and 20%."
Nonsense: The incidence of serious adverse events was similar in the vaccine and placebo groups (0.6% and 0.5%, respectively).
The report on Pfizer's phase 3 trial is publicly available on the NEJM's web site. You can go read it for yourself. There's no need to simply make up bulls**t that only takes a few seconds to prove wrong. You look like an idiot.
That is a very interesting case, and I am so sorry for Simone and her parents. Moderna vax has mRNA w/ spike and an alpha virus RNA polymerase coded. The RNAp copies the mRNA, that is detected by RIG-1 & MDA5 intracell, TLR3 & TLR10 if it gets out. Those receptors cause interferon secretion, which is what kicks up feeling "sick". This is done to signal B-cell response to generate antibodies.
To be the cause myocarditis, one of several things must happen. A. So much mRNA secreted into blood that a pseudo viremia occurs. This would be accompanied by fever and malaise which Simone did not have.
B. Somehow dsRNA/mRNA was packaged into vesicles by the muscle at the shot site. This should be expected at a very low level.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41580-020-0251-y Then those extracellular vesicles disseminated to the heart and caused production of spike and dsRNA there. Even then, the cells should control it in not too long. Unless hers didn't for some reason.
C. The progression time suggests the possibility of autoimmunity being triggered. It would take about 30 days if that happened. I have seen a rare case of autoimmune hepatitis caused by halogen anesthetic in someone with Hashimotos. (Hashimotos is an autoimmune disorder. ) it appeared on that schedule, 3-4 weeks before liver cell destruction. Steroids help, which was accidentally discovered because patient took an oral steroid used to control Hashimotos. (Felt muddle headed from bilirubin and thought Hashimotos was back as well.)
But what cardiac antigen could it be?
D. She had a persistent infection already from her previous pneumonia. This happens. I directly interacted with a case. Caused periodic cardiac inflammation, pain, and patient couldn't do aerobic training. Patient 1st experienced it at 20. Army put him back in the field when it died down. Now, if Simone had such a condition, the interferon production could aggravate it.
E. She got a strep infection from one or both shots because of poor skin swabbing. (suggested by sore throat) But that's really a reach. Very unlikely.
F. Epstein-Barr virus caused myocarditis. It's very rare, but it happens. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7102541/ This is also suggested by tiredness and sore throat. There could be some exacerbation of symptoms from the vaccines dsRNA mechanism. Or, it could be unrelated. Mononucleosis is a common disease in college.
Best I can do now. Proving something would require access to preserved specimens from the case, a lot of money, at least 1-2 years, and may not be possible.
Brian, I am going to be harsh not because I have any particular beef with you - I have no idea who you are - but because scientists in general need to be treated far more harshly than they currently are. The culture in public health research has become completely corrupt, meaning you are not trustworthy and you are not trustworthy as a group.
You said, "To be the cause [of] myocarditis, one of several things must happen. A. So much mRNA secreted into blood that a pseudo viremia occurs. This would be accompanied by fever and malaise which Simone did not have."
Yet the article says, "... she had a cough and stuffy nose and felt fatigued ... Kraimer noticed she seemed tired .... The next day, she had a low fever ... By Friday night she was suffering severe fatigue".
It's therefore very hard to believe you actually read the article before typing up your response, because your description of what a vaccine overdose would look like matches the description found in the article, yet somehow you ended up claiming that didn't happen.
This makes your claim to have debunked other such claims totally absurd. You can't even correctly summarize a bog standard news article, so god knows what your other "investigations" must have looked like.
This problem is completely unsurprising to me. I've read a lot of COVID-related scientific papers in the past year. Scientists very frequently cite data or papers they apparently haven't bothered to actually read, because the cited source will sometimes be about a different topic, or directly contradict them, or be long since obsoleted by better data, or have been retracted years ago, or contain the cited number but it will turn out to be a simulation output presented as if it is proven data (I saw one that was even a simulation input!).
Virology has turned out to be overrun with actual, 100% genuine honest-to-god conspiracies, like simply ignoring the government ban on GoF research, a ban explicitly intended to prevent what appears to have happened with SARS-CoV-2 in Wuhan. Then virologists clubbed together to quash all discussion of the lab leak hypothesis, which they managed to suppress for a year, by claiming expert consensus on a question they very obviously couldn't have known and for which they were hopelessly conflicted, a fact they covered up by lying AGAIN by claiming there were no conflicts of interest.
Epidemiology is as a field almost entirely atheoretical, with per-outbreak curve fitting and video game style simulations being used in place of a genuine understanding of disease. They present predictions as if the underlying (non-existent) theory is proven beyond doubt decades ago and ignore all data that shows they were wrong.
How can anyone trust scientists, vaccines, new drugs or even basic claims about COVID itself when the mechanisms for truth finding are so hopelessly broken that the only scientist to surface in this thread apparently reads "she was tired and had fever" as "she didn't have malaise or fever"?
Thank you, Mike. Brian must have a deep economic interest here; as you say, may virologists do, because they're doing irresponsible, dangerous research.
..."... she had a cough and stuffy nose and felt fatigued ... Kraimer noticed she seemed tired .... The next day, she had a low fever ... By Friday night she was suffering severe fatigue"....
I read it. What I knew is that high doses of dsRNA in the bloodstream cause fulminating fever, not a low fever. It's a standard method.
Tiredness can be a sign of many things including myocarditis. In this case, given the death, it signaled that her heart was having trouble pumping blood.
The cough and stuffy nose could be allergies, could be mononucleosis, could be a cold, could be a number of things.
But do you see what's happened here? If you're going to assert your expertise then making an argument that claims a fatigued person with fever didn't have fatigue or fever will seriously harm your credibility. Now you're claiming that the distinction between two types of fever (that her parents almost certainly don't distinguish between) is definitive proof that the vaccine is innocent - or are you? It's getting a bit unclear what you really believe about this case now.
What I said. "fulminating fever, not a low fever". Yes, they would differentiate those.
You are talking to yourself, not to me. Go back and read the whole thing. Don't pretend to me that one little thing that I explained throws out everything.
"Virology has turned out to be overrun with actual, 100% genuine honest-to-god conspiracies, like simply ignoring the government ban on GoF research..." That shoe is on your foot.
GOF research is done to find out what evolution is likely to throw at us next! It's a primary tool we have to figure that out! Yes, the most knowledgeable virologists support GOF because without it WE ARE BLIND! Nature does not stand still! Nature is still the greatest terrorist. With GOF research we can figure out how to deal with it by designing vaccines ahead of time. It won't be perfect by a long shot, but it will help.
But! We WILL see a real bioweapon set loose. We know that our enemies are working on it. They want them badly. When that happens, COVID-19 will be a child's tea party by comparison.
GoF research was banned because it is dangerous. Virologists just ignored the ban, this is well documented in this article by Vanity Fair using FOIA released emails:
The views of virologists are completely irrelevant here because it wasn't your decision to make. When normal people systematically evade the law there are serious punishments. But for scientists, there are none. Hence the trust problem.
BTW it appears GoF research has told us nothing about how to combat COVID. Defunding it seems like the right call.
They were trying. Not hard enough. And the best people in the USA weren't able to touch it. We knew it was likely to become a problem. The question is when. We weren't monitoring enough. We don't monitor much.
That we don't monitor enough could be bring down western civilization. No exaggeration.
One more curious statement from Ebright. He has said that it's not important if do or don't discover, uncover how the virus escape. He said what's crucial is that we do everything we can to prevent this from occurring again. If I had to guess, he believes it was lab escape in wuhan, not nature. But his primary aim, I surmise, is to stop GOF research.
I am glad you see the problem that nature is not the ultimate bioterrorist. That would be humans who could take down Western civilization. The only defense that is reliable against that is rapid rollout (1-2 weeks) of vaccines against the threat.
Here I'm going to have to correct you on few things. First, while many virologists advocate for and support gain-of-function, many more are against it. Some, like Richard Ebright, vehemently against it. The opponents of GOF say that the dangers of GOF lab research exponentially outway any perceived benefits that we might derive from the research.
Read an interview with him from the link below. His brief wikipedia cv is below. I sometimes follow him on twitter. He is very circumspect and careful in his comments but he often coyly hints that he believes it's a lab escape. He state that it is certainly possible. Doesn't say it but hints at it. He also has said that evidence can be found outside of china and the wuhan lab that amply demonstrates how the virus escaped, and the viruses origin. While not a virologist, Ebright is one of the world's leading experts on GOF research. Well worth a read.
"....Richard H. Ebright is an American molecular biologist. He is the Board of Governors Professor of Chemistry and Chemical Biology at Rutgers University and Laboratory Director at the Waksman Institute of Microbiology...."
"Epidemiology is as a field almost entirely atheoretical" No. Just wrong. I have published in epidemiology, and data is central. Lloyd-Smith's paper on the last SARS1 outbreak is entirely about data. That outbreak was unique because we had virtually every human case, and traced back how they got it. It is an excellent paper. It proved some things beyond a shadow of a doubt that a few had been saying for years.
Superspreading and the effect of individual variation on disease emergence. (2005)
Well that's novel. Note that Ferguson et al, supposedly some of the best epidemiologists in the world, drove lockdown with models that hardly include individual variation, which that paper says is critical. In fact that paper says clearly:
"individual-specific control measures outperform population-wide measures"
and it talks about "the dramatic improvements achieved through targeted control policies"
Yet by the time SARS 2 rolled around nobody cares about this paper, it's all about population wide control measures and the Great Barrington Declaration is being dismissed as a bunch of crazies that don't represent the epidemiological consensus.
This is what I mean by lack of theory. What theory has epidemiology produced that all epidemiologists actually agree on? Apparently nothing beyond a few tautological definitions, e.g. the "basic reproductive number" which is just a derivative of the case curve, or the SEIR concept, which is just an ordinary description of infectious disease - one that any medieval sailor would have recognized.
Epidemiologists just seem to fit models to individual outbreaks. Their models don't try to predict when epidemics start. They don't seem to include seasons (at least not the ones the governments are using). Almost nothing generalizable is produced by this field, and the few claims that do generalize (like the one you link) don't seem to be adopted. There is no epidemiological equivalent of E=MC².
Models do predict some. That's how the flu vaccine is made every year, and mostly gets it pretty good. But successes like that get buried. Only something like COVID-19, which was made vastly worse by Trump getting rid of the CDC pandemic response group, gets attention.
20 years ago I worked on trying to bring to market a cell-phone attachable multi-organism diagnostic device. The technology wasn't there yet, but the market was. ~17 million mothers of toddlers. That would provide us with a big, hard-numbers dataset. But, we don't have star trek yet.
There is, mostly, very little data to go on. These days it is HIPAA protected in the USA which makes it worse. There is enough to make decent predictions over the next few weeks, and seasonally. (I you recall, a fall wave was predicted in June of 2020.
Virologists didn't "club together to quash" the lab leak idea. There is no evidence for it. None. It's a story based entirely on speculations about things (like Chinese government paranoia) that have NOTHING to do with the science. Virus sequence data (and there's a lot of it) doesn't support it. Period. Full stop.
The letter in Nature, which started the "conspiracy theory" meme, was written by Peter Daszak, who funded the research at Wuhan - but his name was obscured. Fraud and conflict of interest.
Evidence: Wuhan is a thousand miles from the bat caves in Yunnan, far southern China, that the near relatives of Covid came from - but there is no chain of infections. There is, however, a known vector: the scientists who collected virus specimens in Yunnan, then took them back, sealed, to Wuhan to...experiment on. And there are papers proving they were doing Gain of Function studies on them.
Since they are the only know vector, they are the likely candidates; this is known, EVERYTHING ELSE is speculation.
The only known - actually KNOWN - vector is, pending further discoveries, always the likeliest. Excluding evidence you don't like is a classic fallacy.
This is a calamitous comment of yours here, in and of itself. How shameful to discount the many tens of thousands who have been harmed by these products with declarative “it never happened” statements. Sweeping it under the rug with comments like yours won’t do anything to make the harms go away or to stop them from continuing to happen. They keep mounting higher and higher and this fact, will indeed come out one day for all to see. Then you will look very silly, at best…
I'm struggling to take a claim like this seriously. You've been able to run down the medical history of tons of anonymous comments online to determine they were fabricated? How is that even possible?
Obviously, I cannot chase down every such anonymous claim. I have dug into more than several. Not one has held up. The person who died had other reasons. The grieving parties want to have a specific target, and the vax is it. This report about Simone Sorenson is interesting. I would be happy to fully investigate it if I had the money to do so. I do not. To start, i would need a release from the parents of all medical records for her life.
Read her report. UK gave 1/4 of the vaccines we gave.
Dr Tess Lawrie, Director of the Evidence-based Medicine Consultancy Ltd sent a letter June 9, to Dr Raine director of UK's MHRA, Medicines and Products Regulatory Agency, to "immediate halt to the vaccine programme" after 1,253 deaths, incl one maternal death & 12 stillbirths, 150 spontaneous abortions and over 800,000 Adverse Drug Reactions via their Yellow Card System.
The family members who told me did so inadvertently for fear of being labeled anti-vaxx. My uncle had heart palpitations and went to the ER. Doctors there weren't surprised.
The subject cannot be discussed because it has been politicized. All that seems to matter is which tribe you're in, which side you're on. No doubt an actual, evidence-based accounting of the facts would enrage both (or all) parties because it might contained mixed evidence, as real things tend to. It's one way you can test for truth: it's gritty yet slippery, and inconsistent.
The common experience of adverse and serious reactions was one of the key points in the video with Bret Weinstein, Robert Malone (the inventor of mRNA technology), and Steve Kirsch. The video was taken down by YT.
A major part of this is what constitutes a serious adverse reaction. The mechanism of stimulating interferon makes a person feel sick. Some will feel sicker than others. But, it's a pseudo-illness.
Personally, I like DNA vaccines without interferon stimulation. They are protective against serious illness. But they don't create great antibody levels. Pretty low ones. The stimulate CD8 response quite well. And nobody is cured of any disease by antibodies. That is done by CD8 cells.
Not in your imagination. It's a pseudo-illness because there isn't a virus replicating. There is a vaccine system making your immune system react as if there was.
FWIW - I think these doses are overpowered. The minimum dose required to produce an immune response is ~1% of the dose administered. When I administered my own DNA vax to myself, the next morning at 4 AM my shoulder was on fire, and I had a fever and chills for the morning. That dose was ~250 micrograms of DNA. So, I decided that nobody should get more than half that dose. It would be perfectly fine for protection.
Thanks for the polite response. What I have been trying to convey is that I had a conspicuously negative physical reaction to the Pfizer vaccine. Everybody else's mileage may -- and apparently has -- varied.
I listen to these things. A lot more than most scientists. I think about them. I got in serious bad odor in grad school because I corresponded with Wakefield. I was really surprised to find out that professors assumed (some of them) that I was a closet antivaxxer in their midst. I'll talk to anyone. That doesn't mean I will agree with them. And if I think they are seriously wrong, I'll make no bones about it.
I felt really under the weather for a day on the second one. Pretty useless at work. I suspect it helps to know what the mechanism is, and what's going on. First Pfizer dose, I powered through, ignoring the lousiness and soreness.
I believe I first learned about how vaccines work (in general) in 7th grade biology. Did these people not pass 7th grade, or what happened?
Also shocking is the number of people who assume that breakthrough Covid cases can't happen and that it's a scandal when they find out about some. I mean, the only thing you ever read in the news is about how these vaccines are 90% (or whatever) effective... what do these people think happened to the other 10%?
My layman's understanding of the immune system is that basically there are two branches: the innate and the adaptive. The innate is comprised of natural killer cells, neutrophils, macrophages, etc. The adaptive side is itself comprised of two branches, one being the humoral response (antibodies), the other being the cell mediated response which is comprised of the killer T cells (CD8).
So my understanding is that the humoral and cell mediated responses are separate and independent arms of the adaptive immune system, each capable of killing pathogens. Is this not correct?
Yes, mostly. They are not entirely independent. The immunology you read is mostly immunology of the mouse. Humans, have, for instance populations that are CD4/CD8. We have other differences.
And this whole bit about toxic spike protein is just rubbish. I don't know where they got this nonsense. Kirsch's private fund to find repurposed medications is good. https://www.treatearly.org/
I got laid up in bed for a week after the second dose of Pfizer. Nausea, dizziness, body-wide muscle aches, dry heaves.
Luckily I didn't get hospitalized, because I don't have health insurance. At least I have a bed to get laid up in, which a lot of people don't. God only knows what's going to happen to me or anybody else 10 or 20 years down the pike.
"Luckily I didn't get hospitalized, because I don't have health insurance."
My sincere sympathies. I didn't most of my life until a year or two ago. Don't know what state you're in, but i'm poor enough to get MassHealth. The booger is when you're not quite poor enough to qualify, but poor enough to not be able to afford it.
He exhaustively examines the amazingly terrible/hilarious covers used by bargain-basement publishers for public domain works. Sometimes they reach the level of sublimity and/or Dada, e.g. my new avatar.
Rich tapestry indeed. So glad my wife has become used to me laughing like a loon at things I eventually conclude are impossible to adequately explain. (she goes back to the office next month)
I'm still holding out from taking the vaccine. I believe I already had COVID after I requested water upon boarding a United flight in Newark(Oct. 2020). They brought me a glass of unfiltered water and I knew I was in trouble after one sip. When I asked for a bottle they reminded me I was on a budget fare. I'll never fly the bastards again! ...was sick with flu for 1 week after returning home.
Much higher rate of bad effects in people who've already had Covid-19. Don't take the shot without testing for prior infection. And there is no flu this year - probably because the measures against Covid prevented flu, too.
That, of course, doesn't surprise me. And I never would have drank it if I knew, but one taste and I realized it came from the tank. https://simpleflying.com/airplane-tap-water/
Wow, don't know what to think about the weird story about the water etc. but if you believe you had it why won't you take the Titer test to see what your immunity is?
My elderly parents are MSNBC zombies and bought into the whole thing -- distancing, no hugs, etc. I want to be able to spend time with them while they're still alive. I could have lied about getting the vax, I guess, but that would make me feel like shit morally.
I know one person who dropped dead one week after taking the Pfizer shot from multiple blood clots. Granted, he was 90 years old, but he had no history of clots at all. The Salk Institute has determined that the spike protein is toxic and causes vascular damage by itself. And Harvard researchers have determined that the spike protein from the vaccine is not staying localized in the immunized shoulder and is showing up across the body. Put those two results together and you have a mechanism for the vaccine to do significant damage.
I did also listen to Drbeen medical lectures who does give a different take on the Salk info. as in the paper says because of spike protein vaccines that bind to it should be ok, but then I hear another side as well? We have had many testimonies, but all being censored. One BBC reporter, in her forties, her death was reported as a short illness in the press, but she actually had severe headaches and a brain bleed. Scientists in Germany think they’ve figured out a way to tweak the vaccine (AZ and J&J, which we are now not recommending to women under 60, possible hormones re inflammatory response?) to try and reduce this blood clot problem. Pfizer and Morderna also have this problem, but apparently only one fifth compared to the others. There are many other severe side effects again not really being discussed. People are saying well compared to the overall number of vaccinated, but then again you have to ask the risk benefit for some, older yes, underlying health comorbidities, but younger and then having possible severe or worse complications? Problem is we do a one shot fits all, people will react differently, some need a punch to the immune system, especially the elderly, (but not the frail) others not so much so. The PEG and adjuvants usually cause the reactions in some. We could do a simple prick test before hand to check on PEG sensitivity, it’s been suggested, but we don’t. We are only beginning to look at genomics of how different people might react, but it’s a bit late now.
Thank you for a reasonable response. The medical community and the medical bureaucracy treats us all as herd animals without regard for genetic variation. I speak from a position of some experience in this as my son has a double copy of the MTHFR defect (fairly common in autism spectrum disorders). Vaccine adjuvants such as aluminum and thimerosal pose a significant hazard to him as he cannot expel them without secondary treatments.
The simple fact of the matter is that we have no long term safety data on these treatments. And when the inventor of the technology (Robert Malone) stands up and says their use should be halted because they are not doing what they are supposed to do, we should be having a serious discussion about it. Instead, we're silencing the people who have valid concerns and ignoring data that does not meet the political needs.
All medical treatment comes with some risk, I recognize this. And I defend the right of people to take these experimental treatments if they so desire, however the attempted coercion of others to take them is wrong and the push to sell the treatments without making all safety data available is highly suspect and ill-advised. It's no wonder that there is an anti-vax movement, the industry and the bureaucracy have seemingly done everything possible to engender suspicion.
Yes, medical professionals should be openly and freely debating with others in this type of situation, with each other. Should not just be top down decision making, but listening to those on the ground as well.
Understand your concern, very common re autism, many studies showing high toxic metal load. Even the CDC removed mercury from most, at least acknowledging because of this and not wanting to add to toxic metal burden, but still say it’s safe!? Again many studies showing sensitivity to alum adjuvants. Many anti vax, were pro vax, or still agree with some vaccines, just they or their children had severe reactions, or worse, so I empathise. There is a drive, rather insidious and certainly with a penchant to let’s just say corporates and stakeholders re anti vax repetitive messaging. Bizarrely in the Vaccine Safety meeting some raised concern that voices not being heard was not helpful, studies were poor and lacking on the issue of severe reactions and calls for an independent body as well….how far that gets we wait to see …..If you are interested in ivermectin, although you prob already know, the FLCCC and Drbeen vids are very helpful :)
I’m actually looking into a company using a plant cell line, not human or animal and no adjuvant, I need to catch up on them, so my knowledge is not good yet as to how they are doing :)
I'm coming around to favor the lack of an edit button. Sure, most of us embarrass ourselves with substandard spelling and grammar, but that's a trifle -- light as air.
An edit button lends itself to being a tool of the actively mendacious and lays the groundwork for Vanishing Commissars. "No, that's not what I ACTUALLY said."
I shed a single tear for all of the Rolling Stone copy editors.
That was cruel, I admit -- but copy editing is a profession that is going the way of print media. In 50 years no one will care, and maybe they shouldn't.
Coronaviruses are common in human beings. They cause 10% of common colds. And they all have roughly similar spike proteins. Your body has almost certainly been flooded with coronavirus spike proteins many times in your life. It's called catching a cold.
Oh wow. What a bunch of geniuses. They wrote an article about how coronavirus spike proteins are bad for your health. Did anybody think it was GOOD for your health to be sick with a virus that causes the common cold?
Mr. Bob, You strike the nail squarely on its head. Two aspects of the Emergency Use Authorizations deserve much more publicity.
1. As you state, no EAU can be permitted if an existing treatment exists. This would explain the overwhelming pressure to discredit anything that may interfere with the pharmaceutical companies profits.
2. If one looks past the efficacy results quoted in the EAU's and looks at the actual level of confidence achieved by the vaccines, the vaccines do not appear to meet the generally accepted level of significance for a medical trial which is p <=.05. In plain in English, a medical trial needs to show that the control group versus the vaccinated group have different outcomes. The Phizer and Moderna studies used in the EAU fail to show any significant (p<=.05) statistical differences between their control groups and their vaccinated groups.
During the phase 3 trial of the Pfizer vaccine, 169 people in the placebo group caught Covid seven days after the administration of the second shot, and 9 people in the vaccinated group caught Covid.
So, close to two hundred people versus... nine.
But I guess that doesn't meet your standard for statistical significance. Must have just been a BIG COINCIDENCE that hardly anybody who was vaccinated got sick.
Yeah, and the commercials have gotten way worse! I'd much rather have a father and son wearing suspenders and bowties show up one day and ascend the wooden stage in town square to start barking their pitch than a video of a lady in a sweater running through a field against a blue sky with uplifting music and a list of side effects on the soundtrack.
Feel free to drink many liters of Radithor, the elixir with radium in it! It does no harm until... ta da! Your bones start dying inside you. It's a horrible way to die. We could remove the hot spots today, and replace parts with titanium. But it's still horrible to have your jaw collapse and sides of your skull fall in, and the skull muscles come loose spasming.
Yes, that was the reason that the FDA got many of the powers it has today. And then there was thalidomide - which is a great drug, just not if you are a fetus.
Fabulous way to miss the point Brian. The criticism was not per se of the FDA, but of the intellectual property regime underlying the modern pharma industry. In fact, thalidomide is an approved medicine by the FDA (with of course the caveats against use surrounding pregnancy). Do fuck right off at your earliest convenience.
Thalidomide was not allowed in the US. It was excluded under procedures at the time. If the Europeans had not allowed it to be prescribed to pregnant women, it would not have caused problems, either.
I forgot which doctor said it but in the research I did one doctor said that if this was anything other than the covid vaccine it would have been taken off the market very quickly because of all the adverse reactions right from the beginning.
I have to say this whole thing is still political. because people hated trump so much and wanted to blame him for everything, officialdom is stuck with the idea that we have to stay locked down until we vaccinate. personally I'm not willing to be a guinea pig for a new technology rushed into production with no idea of the long-term consequences, especially unexpected ones. the old phrase--what if the Cure is worse than the disease
in my research I have seen a lot of medical professionals whose voices have been silenced with very serious reservations about this vaccine
so far tens of millions of people have gotten the vaccine and the adverse reactions especially the serious ones are very very rare. At this point if anyone choses to not get the vaccine with the data we have , and they contract covid , I have absolutely no sympathy for them . No vaccine will ever be totally safe but this one is not showing to be any more dangerous than any other. Get the vaccine because if you contract covid and die your legacy will be how stupid you were. Maybe they put that on your headstone. I speak from experience with a brother that contracted a disease that was preventable from screening , but would see a physician on a regular basis and it will probably kill him in the next few years . He was stupid too and it will cut his life short by decades.
Simple: It's illegal to bypass the usual red tape and deploy an "emergency" vaccine unless all other alternatives have been thoroughly exhausted. And this emergency vaccine has turned out to be VERY profitable. Not to mention that mRNA "vaccines" have gone from "promising but experimental" to "largest trial of unproven medicine in human history". in order for this to happen, they had to sell the story that there were ZERO other possible alternatives. Hydroxychloroquine was easy. Just mention that Trump supported it and watch the lemmings form ranks. Ivermectin was harder and required this kind of full court press to suppress even the POSSIBILITY of its effectiveness.
I'm not against properly vetted and tested vaccines, but you won't get me to take any of these. I had a family member end up in the hospital from the Moderna one. They were told in no uncertain terms that it was the direct result of the vaccine, and they if they hadn't come to the hospital when they did, they would've died. (And I know that the J&J vaccine isn't mRNA, but it has its own problems.)
Now to be clear, I have no earthly idea if ivermectin, or hydroxychloroquine, or vitamin D, or any of the other alternative treatments are effective. But their life saving potential is irrelevant as long as they threaten profits.
Very true: I had two family members in the hospital after pfizer.
This is crazy! There are so many instances in comments everywhere where people are talking about people they know that are having serious reactions to these experimental vaccines.
Luckily, no one I know has had adverse effects, though my mother who took the vaccine knows of people who have.
I refuse to take the experimental vaccines because of the lack of long term testing. I’ll wait until the mass public clinical trial is over.
I have looked into claims people say about people they know, or family members. So far, every one has been fabricated. There are rare reactions. And there are coincidences. If you gave everyone a 1 nanogram of sugar pill, there would be associations found with various conditions and claims of harm.
"So far, every one has been fabricated."
I hate to resort to ad hominem, but please kiss my fucking ass. I lived through these reactions.
They love to gaslight.
For context, Brian is a virologist.
As far as I care, he could be a quantum physicist, a circus acrobat, or a spiritual medium. I speak only from my personal experience.
My father (28 years older than me) suffered nearly identical symptoms from his first dose of the Pfizer vaccine to the ones I suffered from my second dose; nausea, dizziness, muscle aches, dry heaves. We were both laid up for about a week. Perhaps we are of inferior genetic stock.
I recognize that this is anecdotal evidence from an anonymous person on the internet and is therefore unworthy of scientific study. Maybe I am just going through a futile effort to clown an incredibly small audience; anybody can choose for themselves to assess the credibility of my comments.
I am sorry. I should have been clearer, since I certainly do not endorse his viewpoint.
My point is that as a virologist (maker of vaccines, in effect) he is not an unbiased party. On this topic he has consistently sided with the Big Pharma party line. Does not mean he is wrong, but you should know who you are dealing with.
LOL
FO
No apologies necessary, and thanks.
FWIW if you are clowning Grisha, it is superb, and very entertaining. :)
I got the Pfizer shot with trepidation, but perhaps false confidence. I carry the lucky version of the CF gene which makes my immune system robust, so I felt safe. Lo and behold, zero issues.
Anecdotal data point 12,374.
"Perhaps we are of inferior genetic stock."
No s**t.
Where I live, 85% of people are vaccinated. Nobody knows anybody who was sick for more than a day and a half after receiving an injection. I know one woman who had a big, painful red lump on her arm for about a week. One woman I know has a friend in Austria who had to be hospitalized for an allergic reaction after receiving a dose of AstraZeneca. That's the worst I've heard of, after weeks of discussing side effects with friends and family.
I don't know what's wrong with you people that you're getting so sick.
Probably also possible that a vaccine stresses a person's immune system in such a way that they temporarily become more susceptible to catching a cold or the flu.
It's a lot of bitching about a shot that could potentially save their life later on down the line.
Agree that his responses read like someone more intent on scoring points than actually persuading anyone.
You assume Brian is who he says he is.
Anybody can be a dog on the internet.
"A virologist:" that is, an interested party. His career could be at stake here.
Pfizer or Moderna?
Pfizer
Sorry to hear that. I had Pfizer w/ no side effects, and in my neck of the woods more people complained about the Moderna.
I had Moderna. Annoying side effects for two or three days. I seem to be still alive.
That’s right. Y’all’s two comments prove there’s no problem. My grandfather smoked two packs a day till he was 93.
"Y’all’s two comments prove there’s no problem."
Don't think they're saying there's "no problem" -- just talking about personal experience. If anything, I suspect this highly unscientific subthread study roughly mirrors what is going on in the real world.
Person 1: No side effects
Person 2: Annoyed for 2 or 3 days
Person 3: Fucked up and bedridden for a week
Person 4: Can't post because they're hospitalized and/or dead
My mom is super pro-vaccine (she tried to convince me to take it and has thankfully given up) and she said everyone she knew had reactions. Some people were floored for a whole week. Some people got so sick from the first reaction that they refused to take the second dose and these are all elderly people who are super afraid of Covid. This is not fabricated.
Yes, reactions happened. Hospitalizations, deaths, not so much.
Over 5k people in the US have died alone. 2 studies have shown that VAERS reporting system only captures at most 10% of vaccine injury. Hundreds of thousands have reported adverse effects. Do the math.
That's just ridiculous nonsense. And yeah, I've spent days in VAERS myself.
Can you not read numbers? Troll elsewhere. Goodbye.
Yo Johnny-O
Link. For you. Slow night on the 2-way UFO radio?
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/05/antivaccine-activists-use-government-database-side-effects-scare-public
So you think the hundreds of thousands of people who took the time to report adverse events are lying? What about the ones who died? Oh, right, big Pharma, who basically runs the FDA and CDC, NIH, etc, says there is not a definitive link, so you know, nothing to see here. Nice ad hominem btw....not really. Critical thinking apparently isn't your cup of tea.
Yo Latouche
"More than 310 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through June 14, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 5,343 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA"
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
It's a one-way radio. Sheesh.
The 5000 people figure is made up. Those 2 studies are jabber from people who don't understand WTF they are talking about.
Good bye gaslighter.
https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=AGE&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19&DIED=Yes
Yeah, sure. The CDC and FDA pause the administration of the J&J vaccine to investigate side effects that are barely above the level of statistical noise (blood clots in roughly three-in-a-million people) but you believe that 5000 people have died from the other vaccines. Does that really seem likely to you?
Yes, it does to him because he is sucking the swill that the antivaxxers feed him. He echoes their blabber like a parrot. Big tech makes over a billion a year off of that. Antivax leaders get rich off of his ignorance. And, I know that Mercola employs troll farms to attack anybody who outs him for his lies. Mercola moved to Florida to enjoy his millions he made of of people like Johnny.
It's toy store propaganda, but sill malicious and maddening. It's not even carefully assembled. A lot of this stuff, too, is parroted second hand propaganda, and the fertilizers and irrigaters here accept it at face value when they unearth it. And then when it's demonstrated to them that its bullshit, they either start doubling down on the nonsense, or commence the aggrieved routine.
It's such hopeless stupidity. Why do people believe in this nonsense? I'm sure books have been written about why people fall for conspiracy theory bullshit, and I should read some of them.
Are these people so afraid that maybe somebody is tricking them that they'll believe anybody who tells them they're being tricked?
Do they want to feel superior to other people by having "special knowledge" that other people don't have or don't believe?
It's the same with the rigged-election bullshit. They can't name a single actual person who provably committed voter fraud (in Biden's favor) but they're sure it happened in tens of thousands of cases. Likewise, they can't name a single individual who has died from receiving an mRNA vaccine but they're certain it has happened to 5000 people. Any rational person would immediately recognize that these situations are problematic, at least. But not these idiots. It's fascinating.
Ya. They do. The question then becomes why do they believe it.
My friend's father died--after having reactions for two straight weeks. Does that count? Oh, and the pharmacist in NY's SoHo who lost sight in one eye. And my friend who now has annoying tinnitus.
Very interesting is the NYT article on how the vaccine affects women's cycles--especially the comments, reporting many side effects. Then there was the article on the virus causing tinnitus--75 comments, 8 of which reported new tinnitus, increased tinnitus, hearing loss from the VACCINE.
Do you have a link for this NYT article? Would like to forward it to friends. Thanks.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/14/well/live/women-covid-19-vaccine.html#commentsContainer
Thanks! (Looks like the good stuff is in the comments section. Was sort of hoping that the column itself covered it.)
And here's the one about covid/tinnitus. Read the comments, searching for "vaccine": https://www.nytimes.com/article/covid-symptoms-ears-ringing.html
From the CDC "During this time, VAERS received 5,343 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine." https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
Deaths AFTER receiving the vaccine, not FROM the vaccine. Much research must take place after death to determine if it was vaccine related at all.
But there is no research or follow-up. There is no tracking of everyone who is vaccinated. Where is the follow-up that is supposed to be occur with and an emergency released product? How can you claim safety when the only reporting systems we have you say are worthless because they are passive/voluntary/open. Yet we have no systematic follow-up. Where are the regular follow-up questionnaires? Why is there no mandatory reporting? If you attack the passive system why not ask for realtime research regarding these reported deaths via VAERS. And you do know that VAERS is the only place people can go to report any vaccine injury?
And most people don't even know about VAERS. I have told two people who have had severe reactions--my friend mentioned with the psychotic episodes and another with tinnitus--and they have said they will--I do know, however, it is a complicated process.
I won't respond to this. All your questions have been answered here in the comments, and can be just as easily answered with a simple google search. Don't be lazy.
So aggravating a previous condition is not considered a side effect?
I wouldn't know. I'm not a medical professional, or even a member of any of the research teams conducting the research.
I guess we will find out in due time.
What kind of psychotic depopulation experiment kills off only the people who do what you tell them to and leaves alive only the most stubborn and resistant to your control? Look at actual depopulation experiments like Hitler in the 30s and 40s, and the pattern is exactly the opposite. I agree that this is not at all above board, but I think it's better explained by big pharma wanting their customers' arms twisted.
Perhaps the great depopulation experiment is yet to come.
What about the potential reduced longevity resulting from the vaccine? To me it’s a risk vs
reward proposition.
I work on longevity. Working on submitting a paper as I write this. The risk/reward is all the other direction. I made my own vaccine (A DNA vax) and took it march of 2020. And then took Pfizer's 2 doses a month ago.
There is absolutely no logic to thinking it will reduce your longevity. Not getting vaccinated is likely to.
I don't know what to tell you, man. If I had a way of proving it while still preserving their privacy I would do it, but I don't really care enough what internet strangers think of me to dox the person in question. It's second hand information for the people here, fine, but it's first hand for me. I visited them in the hospital and was the one to drive them home when they left.
Maybe it's a rare reaction, but rare doesn't mean that it didn't happen, and exactly zero of the doctors she saw thought it was coincidence.
This is a very odd comment because the trials themselves pegged the rate of serious reactions at between 10% and 20%. This feels about right given the comments I've heard from people I personally know who have taken it.
The last one was especially entertaining or aggravating depending on your perspective. I ended up arguing with an actual immunologist I am remotely acquainted with, and he finished by giving a little speech about how the word pandemic means "all" and that we're in a society and all in it together etc. He told me to take the vaccine because it's "perfectly safe". Then he mentioned it made him so sick he'd been unable to move for a day. Ah yes: "makes me so sick I can't work" is indeed the dictionary definition of "perfectly safe".
Please. It's extremely clear at this point that severe reactions including deaths are not being reported. Look at the case of Simone Scott. The parents had to go to Alex Berenson, presumably none of the other outlets would touch the story at all:
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/simone-scott-oct-7-2001-june-11-2021
They very clearly state that they had to push hard to get this event reported to the tracking systems at all. How many other cases like that are happening where people aren't strong-willed enough to go around their doctors?
"This is a very odd comment because the trials themselves pegged the rate of serious reactions at between 10% and 20%."
Nonsense: The incidence of serious adverse events was similar in the vaccine and placebo groups (0.6% and 0.5%, respectively).
The report on Pfizer's phase 3 trial is publicly available on the NEJM's web site. You can go read it for yourself. There's no need to simply make up bulls**t that only takes a few seconds to prove wrong. You look like an idiot.
That is a very interesting case, and I am so sorry for Simone and her parents. Moderna vax has mRNA w/ spike and an alpha virus RNA polymerase coded. The RNAp copies the mRNA, that is detected by RIG-1 & MDA5 intracell, TLR3 & TLR10 if it gets out. Those receptors cause interferon secretion, which is what kicks up feeling "sick". This is done to signal B-cell response to generate antibodies.
To be the cause myocarditis, one of several things must happen. A. So much mRNA secreted into blood that a pseudo viremia occurs. This would be accompanied by fever and malaise which Simone did not have.
B. Somehow dsRNA/mRNA was packaged into vesicles by the muscle at the shot site. This should be expected at a very low level.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41580-020-0251-y Then those extracellular vesicles disseminated to the heart and caused production of spike and dsRNA there. Even then, the cells should control it in not too long. Unless hers didn't for some reason.
C. The progression time suggests the possibility of autoimmunity being triggered. It would take about 30 days if that happened. I have seen a rare case of autoimmune hepatitis caused by halogen anesthetic in someone with Hashimotos. (Hashimotos is an autoimmune disorder. ) it appeared on that schedule, 3-4 weeks before liver cell destruction. Steroids help, which was accidentally discovered because patient took an oral steroid used to control Hashimotos. (Felt muddle headed from bilirubin and thought Hashimotos was back as well.)
But what cardiac antigen could it be?
D. She had a persistent infection already from her previous pneumonia. This happens. I directly interacted with a case. Caused periodic cardiac inflammation, pain, and patient couldn't do aerobic training. Patient 1st experienced it at 20. Army put him back in the field when it died down. Now, if Simone had such a condition, the interferon production could aggravate it.
E. She got a strep infection from one or both shots because of poor skin swabbing. (suggested by sore throat) But that's really a reach. Very unlikely.
F. Epstein-Barr virus caused myocarditis. It's very rare, but it happens. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7102541/ This is also suggested by tiredness and sore throat. There could be some exacerbation of symptoms from the vaccines dsRNA mechanism. Or, it could be unrelated. Mononucleosis is a common disease in college.
Best I can do now. Proving something would require access to preserved specimens from the case, a lot of money, at least 1-2 years, and may not be possible.
Brian, I am going to be harsh not because I have any particular beef with you - I have no idea who you are - but because scientists in general need to be treated far more harshly than they currently are. The culture in public health research has become completely corrupt, meaning you are not trustworthy and you are not trustworthy as a group.
You said, "To be the cause [of] myocarditis, one of several things must happen. A. So much mRNA secreted into blood that a pseudo viremia occurs. This would be accompanied by fever and malaise which Simone did not have."
Yet the article says, "... she had a cough and stuffy nose and felt fatigued ... Kraimer noticed she seemed tired .... The next day, she had a low fever ... By Friday night she was suffering severe fatigue".
It's therefore very hard to believe you actually read the article before typing up your response, because your description of what a vaccine overdose would look like matches the description found in the article, yet somehow you ended up claiming that didn't happen.
This makes your claim to have debunked other such claims totally absurd. You can't even correctly summarize a bog standard news article, so god knows what your other "investigations" must have looked like.
This problem is completely unsurprising to me. I've read a lot of COVID-related scientific papers in the past year. Scientists very frequently cite data or papers they apparently haven't bothered to actually read, because the cited source will sometimes be about a different topic, or directly contradict them, or be long since obsoleted by better data, or have been retracted years ago, or contain the cited number but it will turn out to be a simulation output presented as if it is proven data (I saw one that was even a simulation input!).
Virology has turned out to be overrun with actual, 100% genuine honest-to-god conspiracies, like simply ignoring the government ban on GoF research, a ban explicitly intended to prevent what appears to have happened with SARS-CoV-2 in Wuhan. Then virologists clubbed together to quash all discussion of the lab leak hypothesis, which they managed to suppress for a year, by claiming expert consensus on a question they very obviously couldn't have known and for which they were hopelessly conflicted, a fact they covered up by lying AGAIN by claiming there were no conflicts of interest.
Epidemiology is as a field almost entirely atheoretical, with per-outbreak curve fitting and video game style simulations being used in place of a genuine understanding of disease. They present predictions as if the underlying (non-existent) theory is proven beyond doubt decades ago and ignore all data that shows they were wrong.
How can anyone trust scientists, vaccines, new drugs or even basic claims about COVID itself when the mechanisms for truth finding are so hopelessly broken that the only scientist to surface in this thread apparently reads "she was tired and had fever" as "she didn't have malaise or fever"?
Thank you, Mike. Brian must have a deep economic interest here; as you say, may virologists do, because they're doing irresponsible, dangerous research.
But they ain't gonna show up on substack, of that I can assure you.
So instead we should trust you here?
BTW - Here is my critique of R0.
https://brianhanley.medium.com/r0-basic-reproduction-number-for-a-disease-is-a-fiction-it-does-not-exist-2b389a0478a8
..."... she had a cough and stuffy nose and felt fatigued ... Kraimer noticed she seemed tired .... The next day, she had a low fever ... By Friday night she was suffering severe fatigue"....
I read it. What I knew is that high doses of dsRNA in the bloodstream cause fulminating fever, not a low fever. It's a standard method.
Tiredness can be a sign of many things including myocarditis. In this case, given the death, it signaled that her heart was having trouble pumping blood.
The cough and stuffy nose could be allergies, could be mononucleosis, could be a cold, could be a number of things.
But do you see what's happened here? If you're going to assert your expertise then making an argument that claims a fatigued person with fever didn't have fatigue or fever will seriously harm your credibility. Now you're claiming that the distinction between two types of fever (that her parents almost certainly don't distinguish between) is definitive proof that the vaccine is innocent - or are you? It's getting a bit unclear what you really believe about this case now.
What I said. "fulminating fever, not a low fever". Yes, they would differentiate those.
You are talking to yourself, not to me. Go back and read the whole thing. Don't pretend to me that one little thing that I explained throws out everything.
I am glad to be able to read some foreign language, and found very early on articles and interviews form the virologist Prof. Christian Drosten who actually sequenced Covid 19. I do trust him and the institute where he works, they are doing great research. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-pandemic-made-virologist-unlikely-cult-figure
"Virology has turned out to be overrun with actual, 100% genuine honest-to-god conspiracies, like simply ignoring the government ban on GoF research..." That shoe is on your foot.
GOF research is done to find out what evolution is likely to throw at us next! It's a primary tool we have to figure that out! Yes, the most knowledgeable virologists support GOF because without it WE ARE BLIND! Nature does not stand still! Nature is still the greatest terrorist. With GOF research we can figure out how to deal with it by designing vaccines ahead of time. It won't be perfect by a long shot, but it will help.
But! We WILL see a real bioweapon set loose. We know that our enemies are working on it. They want them badly. When that happens, COVID-19 will be a child's tea party by comparison.
You seem to be missing the point here, badly.
GoF research was banned because it is dangerous. Virologists just ignored the ban, this is well documented in this article by Vanity Fair using FOIA released emails:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins
The views of virologists are completely irrelevant here because it wasn't your decision to make. When normal people systematically evade the law there are serious punishments. But for scientists, there are none. Hence the trust problem.
BTW it appears GoF research has told us nothing about how to combat COVID. Defunding it seems like the right call.
Here is a 2015 article on GOF and SARS bat coronaviruses. https://www.virology.ws/2015/11/19/bat-sars-like-coronavirus-its-not-sars-2-0/
They were trying. Not hard enough. And the best people in the USA weren't able to touch it. We knew it was likely to become a problem. The question is when. We weren't monitoring enough. We don't monitor much.
That we don't monitor enough could be bring down western civilization. No exaggeration.
One more curious statement from Ebright. He has said that it's not important if do or don't discover, uncover how the virus escape. He said what's crucial is that we do everything we can to prevent this from occurring again. If I had to guess, he believes it was lab escape in wuhan, not nature. But his primary aim, I surmise, is to stop GOF research.
Just wrong. GOF was paused for years after some papers were flagged by the idiotic NSABB. It was not restarted until it was approved.
My paper on the idiocy of the NSABB. It accomplishes one thing - shouting in the ears of our enemies exactly what scientists are worried about.
https://www.omicsonline.org/security-in-a-goldfish-bowl-the-nsabbs-exacerbation-of-the-bioterrorism-threat-2157-2526.S3-013.php?aid=11953
“Nature is still the greatest terrorist” lol enough said. You present like a CIA agent, not a scientist.
The CIA "folks in the basement" did pay attention to some things I wrote. I do have a chapter on biodefense in a West Point sponsored book. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/200112458_Bioterrorism_and_Biodefense_for_America%27s_Public_Spaces_and_Cities
I am glad you see the problem that nature is not the ultimate bioterrorist. That would be humans who could take down Western civilization. The only defense that is reliable against that is rapid rollout (1-2 weeks) of vaccines against the threat.
Here I'm going to have to correct you on few things. First, while many virologists advocate for and support gain-of-function, many more are against it. Some, like Richard Ebright, vehemently against it. The opponents of GOF say that the dangers of GOF lab research exponentially outway any perceived benefits that we might derive from the research.
Read an interview with him from the link below. His brief wikipedia cv is below. I sometimes follow him on twitter. He is very circumspect and careful in his comments but he often coyly hints that he believes it's a lab escape. He state that it is certainly possible. Doesn't say it but hints at it. He also has said that evidence can be found outside of china and the wuhan lab that amply demonstrates how the virus escaped, and the viruses origin. While not a virologist, Ebright is one of the world's leading experts on GOF research. Well worth a read.
https://www.independentsciencenews.org/commentaries/an-interview-with-richard-ebright-anthony-fauci-francis-collins-systematically-thwarted/
"....Richard H. Ebright is an American molecular biologist. He is the Board of Governors Professor of Chemistry and Chemical Biology at Rutgers University and Laboratory Director at the Waksman Institute of Microbiology...."
"Epidemiology is as a field almost entirely atheoretical" No. Just wrong. I have published in epidemiology, and data is central. Lloyd-Smith's paper on the last SARS1 outbreak is entirely about data. That outbreak was unique because we had virtually every human case, and traced back how they got it. It is an excellent paper. It proved some things beyond a shadow of a doubt that a few had been saying for years.
Superspreading and the effect of individual variation on disease emergence. (2005)
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature04153
Well that's novel. Note that Ferguson et al, supposedly some of the best epidemiologists in the world, drove lockdown with models that hardly include individual variation, which that paper says is critical. In fact that paper says clearly:
"individual-specific control measures outperform population-wide measures"
and it talks about "the dramatic improvements achieved through targeted control policies"
Yet by the time SARS 2 rolled around nobody cares about this paper, it's all about population wide control measures and the Great Barrington Declaration is being dismissed as a bunch of crazies that don't represent the epidemiological consensus.
This is what I mean by lack of theory. What theory has epidemiology produced that all epidemiologists actually agree on? Apparently nothing beyond a few tautological definitions, e.g. the "basic reproductive number" which is just a derivative of the case curve, or the SEIR concept, which is just an ordinary description of infectious disease - one that any medieval sailor would have recognized.
Epidemiologists just seem to fit models to individual outbreaks. Their models don't try to predict when epidemics start. They don't seem to include seasons (at least not the ones the governments are using). Almost nothing generalizable is produced by this field, and the few claims that do generalize (like the one you link) don't seem to be adopted. There is no epidemiological equivalent of E=MC².
Models do predict some. That's how the flu vaccine is made every year, and mostly gets it pretty good. But successes like that get buried. Only something like COVID-19, which was made vastly worse by Trump getting rid of the CDC pandemic response group, gets attention.
https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/rej.2020.2363
This was an academic editorial from August of 2020 (which got delayed from April of 2020 because of politics).
20 years ago I worked on trying to bring to market a cell-phone attachable multi-organism diagnostic device. The technology wasn't there yet, but the market was. ~17 million mothers of toddlers. That would provide us with a big, hard-numbers dataset. But, we don't have star trek yet.
I tend to agree about lockdown. That was done in imitation of China. It can work. Here it pushed us toward civil war.
There is, mostly, very little data to go on. These days it is HIPAA protected in the USA which makes it worse. There is enough to make decent predictions over the next few weeks, and seasonally. (I you recall, a fall wave was predicted in June of 2020.
The vanity fair piece Mike links to is also well worth the read.
Virologists didn't "club together to quash" the lab leak idea. There is no evidence for it. None. It's a story based entirely on speculations about things (like Chinese government paranoia) that have NOTHING to do with the science. Virus sequence data (and there's a lot of it) doesn't support it. Period. Full stop.
https://brianhanley.medium.com/the-covid-19-sars2-lab-origin-story-zombies-back-from-the-dead-c6d987344cee
The letter in Nature, which started the "conspiracy theory" meme, was written by Peter Daszak, who funded the research at Wuhan - but his name was obscured. Fraud and conflict of interest.
Evidence: Wuhan is a thousand miles from the bat caves in Yunnan, far southern China, that the near relatives of Covid came from - but there is no chain of infections. There is, however, a known vector: the scientists who collected virus specimens in Yunnan, then took them back, sealed, to Wuhan to...experiment on. And there are papers proving they were doing Gain of Function studies on them.
Since they are the only know vector, they are the likely candidates; this is known, EVERYTHING ELSE is speculation.
You're trying to give science a bad name.
Read this. In it I explain why that doesn't hold water. https://brianhanley.medium.com/the-covid-19-sars2-lab-origin-story-zombies-back-from-the-dead-c6d987344cee
You don't know what evidence is. Evidence is here. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/datasets/coronavirus/genomes/
The only known - actually KNOWN - vector is, pending further discoveries, always the likeliest. Excluding evidence you don't like is a classic fallacy.
Genomics: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9629563/Chinese-scientists-created-COVID-19-lab-tried-cover-tracks-new-study-claims.html. I know it's the Daily Mail, but they have the key pieces of the actual paper. Yes, there is evidence.
Translation from Brian: (1) Nobody knows what's going on, because it's an experimental drug; (2) it's f'ing dangerous.
New careers as a guinea pig, going cheap.
Hey Brian,
You’re “sorry” alright.
Alex Berenson? insert eyeroll
And Pope Fauci is a straight shooter? Would you like a pangolin with that burger?
Everything is rare when they cannot be reported without fear.
This is a calamitous comment of yours here, in and of itself. How shameful to discount the many tens of thousands who have been harmed by these products with declarative “it never happened” statements. Sweeping it under the rug with comments like yours won’t do anything to make the harms go away or to stop them from continuing to happen. They keep mounting higher and higher and this fact, will indeed come out one day for all to see. Then you will look very silly, at best…
"So far, every one has been fabricated."
I'm struggling to take a claim like this seriously. You've been able to run down the medical history of tons of anonymous comments online to determine they were fabricated? How is that even possible?
Obviously, I cannot chase down every such anonymous claim. I have dug into more than several. Not one has held up. The person who died had other reasons. The grieving parties want to have a specific target, and the vax is it. This report about Simone Sorenson is interesting. I would be happy to fully investigate it if I had the money to do so. I do not. To start, i would need a release from the parents of all medical records for her life.
Read her report. UK gave 1/4 of the vaccines we gave.
Dr Tess Lawrie, Director of the Evidence-based Medicine Consultancy Ltd sent a letter June 9, to Dr Raine director of UK's MHRA, Medicines and Products Regulatory Agency, to "immediate halt to the vaccine programme" after 1,253 deaths, incl one maternal death & 12 stillbirths, 150 spontaneous abortions and over 800,000 Adverse Drug Reactions via their Yellow Card System.
http://medisolve.org/yellowcard_urgentprelimreport.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3dkHBqqDPfjWi_9MMer53oArnBn92rNqpEzSJRP9S6T4qo0BUy3Cndr8k
The family members who told me did so inadvertently for fear of being labeled anti-vaxx. My uncle had heart palpitations and went to the ER. Doctors there weren't surprised.
Hello bot
You are an ass.
Fabricated?
I wonder why all the hate for astraZ in Europe then
This is an outright lie. Stop it.
The subject cannot be discussed because it has been politicized. All that seems to matter is which tribe you're in, which side you're on. No doubt an actual, evidence-based accounting of the facts would enrage both (or all) parties because it might contained mixed evidence, as real things tend to. It's one way you can test for truth: it's gritty yet slippery, and inconsistent.
How did you do your research ("look")?
The common experience of adverse and serious reactions was one of the key points in the video with Bret Weinstein, Robert Malone (the inventor of mRNA technology), and Steve Kirsch. The video was taken down by YT.
Yes! Taken down when I was in the middle of watching it. Is available on Apple as a podcast, however.
Actually available here: https://odysee.com/@BretWeinstein:f/how-to-save-the-world,-in-three-easy:0
Thank you!!!
A major part of this is what constitutes a serious adverse reaction. The mechanism of stimulating interferon makes a person feel sick. Some will feel sicker than others. But, it's a pseudo-illness.
Personally, I like DNA vaccines without interferon stimulation. They are protective against serious illness. But they don't create great antibody levels. Pretty low ones. The stimulate CD8 response quite well. And nobody is cured of any disease by antibodies. That is done by CD8 cells.
"it's a pseudo-illness"
I am glad to know that a vaccine that put me in bed for a week was just a "pseudo-illness." Perhaps it is all in my imagination; an anti-placebo.
Not in your imagination. It's a pseudo-illness because there isn't a virus replicating. There is a vaccine system making your immune system react as if there was.
FWIW - I think these doses are overpowered. The minimum dose required to produce an immune response is ~1% of the dose administered. When I administered my own DNA vax to myself, the next morning at 4 AM my shoulder was on fire, and I had a fever and chills for the morning. That dose was ~250 micrograms of DNA. So, I decided that nobody should get more than half that dose. It would be perfectly fine for protection.
Thanks for the polite response. What I have been trying to convey is that I had a conspicuously negative physical reaction to the Pfizer vaccine. Everybody else's mileage may -- and apparently has -- varied.
I listen to these things. A lot more than most scientists. I think about them. I got in serious bad odor in grad school because I corresponded with Wakefield. I was really surprised to find out that professors assumed (some of them) that I was a closet antivaxxer in their midst. I'll talk to anyone. That doesn't mean I will agree with them. And if I think they are seriously wrong, I'll make no bones about it.
I felt really under the weather for a day on the second one. Pretty useless at work. I suspect it helps to know what the mechanism is, and what's going on. First Pfizer dose, I powered through, ignoring the lousiness and soreness.
Of course you had a negative reaction. Do you understand the concept behind vaccines?
I believe I first learned about how vaccines work (in general) in 7th grade biology. Did these people not pass 7th grade, or what happened?
Also shocking is the number of people who assume that breakthrough Covid cases can't happen and that it's a scandal when they find out about some. I mean, the only thing you ever read in the news is about how these vaccines are 90% (or whatever) effective... what do these people think happened to the other 10%?
Brian, serious question.
My layman's understanding of the immune system is that basically there are two branches: the innate and the adaptive. The innate is comprised of natural killer cells, neutrophils, macrophages, etc. The adaptive side is itself comprised of two branches, one being the humoral response (antibodies), the other being the cell mediated response which is comprised of the killer T cells (CD8).
So my understanding is that the humoral and cell mediated responses are separate and independent arms of the adaptive immune system, each capable of killing pathogens. Is this not correct?
Yes, mostly. They are not entirely independent. The immunology you read is mostly immunology of the mouse. Humans, have, for instance populations that are CD4/CD8. We have other differences.
Thanks
And this whole bit about toxic spike protein is just rubbish. I don't know where they got this nonsense. Kirsch's private fund to find repurposed medications is good. https://www.treatearly.org/
I got laid up in bed for a week after the second dose of Pfizer. Nausea, dizziness, body-wide muscle aches, dry heaves.
Luckily I didn't get hospitalized, because I don't have health insurance. At least I have a bed to get laid up in, which a lot of people don't. God only knows what's going to happen to me or anybody else 10 or 20 years down the pike.
I know of a person who had adverse effects severe enough to skip work. Work sitting at a computer, at home.
"Luckily I didn't get hospitalized, because I don't have health insurance."
My sincere sympathies. I didn't most of my life until a year or two ago. Don't know what state you're in, but i'm poor enough to get MassHealth. The booger is when you're not quite poor enough to qualify, but poor enough to not be able to afford it.
Yikes! This is where we have to hope that the effects of the vaccines are SHORT lived. What a strange world.
I expect to turn into a zombie and/or a pile of goo circa 2030.
New avatar, eh, grisha? Is that Easter Islanders in Devo hats? And how does that relate to the Life and Public Services of John Quincy Adams?
You can blame Kathleen McCook -- she put me on to this guy's blog: https://causticcovercritic.blogspot.com/search/label/awful
He exhaustively examines the amazingly terrible/hilarious covers used by bargain-basement publishers for public domain works. Sometimes they reach the level of sublimity and/or Dada, e.g. my new avatar.
Sorry, it's actually in here: https://causticcovercritic.blogspot.com/search/label/Tutis%20bashing
Such a rich tapestry.
Rich tapestry indeed. So glad my wife has become used to me laughing like a loon at things I eventually conclude are impossible to adequately explain. (she goes back to the office next month)
Great find, gk.
I'm still holding out from taking the vaccine. I believe I already had COVID after I requested water upon boarding a United flight in Newark(Oct. 2020). They brought me a glass of unfiltered water and I knew I was in trouble after one sip. When I asked for a bottle they reminded me I was on a budget fare. I'll never fly the bastards again! ...was sick with flu for 1 week after returning home.
Much higher rate of bad effects in people who've already had Covid-19. Don't take the shot without testing for prior infection. And there is no flu this year - probably because the measures against Covid prevented flu, too.
It's better to not drink airline tap water at all if you can avoid it. United had one of the lowest scores in this test:
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-safe-is-the-water-coffee-tea-on-your-favorite-airline
That, of course, doesn't surprise me. And I never would have drank it if I knew, but one taste and I realized it came from the tank. https://simpleflying.com/airplane-tap-water/
Wow, don't know what to think about the weird story about the water etc. but if you believe you had it why won't you take the Titer test to see what your immunity is?
Frankly I never heard of the Titer test, however, I will look into it. Do you think it's reliable?
I’m a bit surprised that you have opted to participate in the covid experimental treatment. Good luck!
My elderly parents are MSNBC zombies and bought into the whole thing -- distancing, no hugs, etc. I want to be able to spend time with them while they're still alive. I could have lied about getting the vax, I guess, but that would make me feel like shit morally.
Thanks for the good-luck wish -- I may need it.
I know one person who dropped dead one week after taking the Pfizer shot from multiple blood clots. Granted, he was 90 years old, but he had no history of clots at all. The Salk Institute has determined that the spike protein is toxic and causes vascular damage by itself. And Harvard researchers have determined that the spike protein from the vaccine is not staying localized in the immunized shoulder and is showing up across the body. Put those two results together and you have a mechanism for the vaccine to do significant damage.
I did also listen to Drbeen medical lectures who does give a different take on the Salk info. as in the paper says because of spike protein vaccines that bind to it should be ok, but then I hear another side as well? We have had many testimonies, but all being censored. One BBC reporter, in her forties, her death was reported as a short illness in the press, but she actually had severe headaches and a brain bleed. Scientists in Germany think they’ve figured out a way to tweak the vaccine (AZ and J&J, which we are now not recommending to women under 60, possible hormones re inflammatory response?) to try and reduce this blood clot problem. Pfizer and Morderna also have this problem, but apparently only one fifth compared to the others. There are many other severe side effects again not really being discussed. People are saying well compared to the overall number of vaccinated, but then again you have to ask the risk benefit for some, older yes, underlying health comorbidities, but younger and then having possible severe or worse complications? Problem is we do a one shot fits all, people will react differently, some need a punch to the immune system, especially the elderly, (but not the frail) others not so much so. The PEG and adjuvants usually cause the reactions in some. We could do a simple prick test before hand to check on PEG sensitivity, it’s been suggested, but we don’t. We are only beginning to look at genomics of how different people might react, but it’s a bit late now.
Thank you for a reasonable response. The medical community and the medical bureaucracy treats us all as herd animals without regard for genetic variation. I speak from a position of some experience in this as my son has a double copy of the MTHFR defect (fairly common in autism spectrum disorders). Vaccine adjuvants such as aluminum and thimerosal pose a significant hazard to him as he cannot expel them without secondary treatments.
The simple fact of the matter is that we have no long term safety data on these treatments. And when the inventor of the technology (Robert Malone) stands up and says their use should be halted because they are not doing what they are supposed to do, we should be having a serious discussion about it. Instead, we're silencing the people who have valid concerns and ignoring data that does not meet the political needs.
All medical treatment comes with some risk, I recognize this. And I defend the right of people to take these experimental treatments if they so desire, however the attempted coercion of others to take them is wrong and the push to sell the treatments without making all safety data available is highly suspect and ill-advised. It's no wonder that there is an anti-vax movement, the industry and the bureaucracy have seemingly done everything possible to engender suspicion.
Yes, medical professionals should be openly and freely debating with others in this type of situation, with each other. Should not just be top down decision making, but listening to those on the ground as well.
Understand your concern, very common re autism, many studies showing high toxic metal load. Even the CDC removed mercury from most, at least acknowledging because of this and not wanting to add to toxic metal burden, but still say it’s safe!? Again many studies showing sensitivity to alum adjuvants. Many anti vax, were pro vax, or still agree with some vaccines, just they or their children had severe reactions, or worse, so I empathise. There is a drive, rather insidious and certainly with a penchant to let’s just say corporates and stakeholders re anti vax repetitive messaging. Bizarrely in the Vaccine Safety meeting some raised concern that voices not being heard was not helpful, studies were poor and lacking on the issue of severe reactions and calls for an independent body as well….how far that gets we wait to see …..If you are interested in ivermectin, although you prob already know, the FLCCC and Drbeen vids are very helpful :)
I’m actually looking into a company using a plant cell line, not human or animal and no adjuvant, I need to catch up on them, so my knowledge is not good yet as to how they are doing :)
The quality of the grammar in my last post was substandard. Somebody please give me an edit button, preferably before my HS English teacher sees that.
I'm coming around to favor the lack of an edit button. Sure, most of us embarrass ourselves with substandard spelling and grammar, but that's a trifle -- light as air.
An edit button lends itself to being a tool of the actively mendacious and lays the groundwork for Vanishing Commissars. "No, that's not what I ACTUALLY said."
I'm with you. And hey, since coming to Substack, Matt's articles have regularly started picking up an extra typo or two, but they still rock.
I shed a single tear for all of the Rolling Stone copy editors.
That was cruel, I admit -- but copy editing is a profession that is going the way of print media. In 50 years no one will care, and maybe they shouldn't.
Oh, I agree. I’m just often guilty of hitting post before I go back and read my rambling muttering.
Man, it's a comment section. All of this will go into the memory hole in 24 hours, if not 48. People won't remember what they wrote.
For what it's worth, I enjoy your rambling muttering.
I like the 5-minute rule. It allows correction of a typo that inverts the meaning of what I wanted to avoid saying.
Coronaviruses are common in human beings. They cause 10% of common colds. And they all have roughly similar spike proteins. Your body has almost certainly been flooded with coronavirus spike proteins many times in your life. It's called catching a cold.
You sound like an idiot for being afraid of them.
Feel free to argue with the Salk Institute and call them idiots.
https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/
Oh wow. What a bunch of geniuses. They wrote an article about how coronavirus spike proteins are bad for your health. Did anybody think it was GOOD for your health to be sick with a virus that causes the common cold?
Mr. Bob, You strike the nail squarely on its head. Two aspects of the Emergency Use Authorizations deserve much more publicity.
1. As you state, no EAU can be permitted if an existing treatment exists. This would explain the overwhelming pressure to discredit anything that may interfere with the pharmaceutical companies profits.
2. If one looks past the efficacy results quoted in the EAU's and looks at the actual level of confidence achieved by the vaccines, the vaccines do not appear to meet the generally accepted level of significance for a medical trial which is p <=.05. In plain in English, a medical trial needs to show that the control group versus the vaccinated group have different outcomes. The Phizer and Moderna studies used in the EAU fail to show any significant (p<=.05) statistical differences between their control groups and their vaccinated groups.
Are you insane?
During the phase 3 trial of the Pfizer vaccine, 169 people in the placebo group caught Covid seven days after the administration of the second shot, and 9 people in the vaccinated group caught Covid.
So, close to two hundred people versus... nine.
But I guess that doesn't meet your standard for statistical significance. Must have just been a BIG COINCIDENCE that hardly anybody who was vaccinated got sick.
What were the actual o value confidence levels ?
Ah, don't overlook the efficacy, or lack thereof, of the Chinese produced vaccines. Chile has much to say about that.
I don't think we made progress when we transformed patent medicines from the realm of snake oil into modern pharmaceuticals.
Yeah, and the commercials have gotten way worse! I'd much rather have a father and son wearing suspenders and bowties show up one day and ascend the wooden stage in town square to start barking their pitch than a video of a lady in a sweater running through a field against a blue sky with uplifting music and a list of side effects on the soundtrack.
Snake oil was probably more innocuous than Remdesivir.
Feel free to drink many liters of Radithor, the elixir with radium in it! It does no harm until... ta da! Your bones start dying inside you. It's a horrible way to die. We could remove the hot spots today, and replace parts with titanium. But it's still horrible to have your jaw collapse and sides of your skull fall in, and the skull muscles come loose spasming.
Yes, that was the reason that the FDA got many of the powers it has today. And then there was thalidomide - which is a great drug, just not if you are a fetus.
Fabulous way to miss the point Brian. The criticism was not per se of the FDA, but of the intellectual property regime underlying the modern pharma industry. In fact, thalidomide is an approved medicine by the FDA (with of course the caveats against use surrounding pregnancy). Do fuck right off at your earliest convenience.
Thalidomide was not allowed in the US. It was excluded under procedures at the time. If the Europeans had not allowed it to be prescribed to pregnant women, it would not have caused problems, either.
I forgot which doctor said it but in the research I did one doctor said that if this was anything other than the covid vaccine it would have been taken off the market very quickly because of all the adverse reactions right from the beginning.
I have to say this whole thing is still political. because people hated trump so much and wanted to blame him for everything, officialdom is stuck with the idea that we have to stay locked down until we vaccinate. personally I'm not willing to be a guinea pig for a new technology rushed into production with no idea of the long-term consequences, especially unexpected ones. the old phrase--what if the Cure is worse than the disease
in my research I have seen a lot of medical professionals whose voices have been silenced with very serious reservations about this vaccine
so far tens of millions of people have gotten the vaccine and the adverse reactions especially the serious ones are very very rare. At this point if anyone choses to not get the vaccine with the data we have , and they contract covid , I have absolutely no sympathy for them . No vaccine will ever be totally safe but this one is not showing to be any more dangerous than any other. Get the vaccine because if you contract covid and die your legacy will be how stupid you were. Maybe they put that on your headstone. I speak from experience with a brother that contracted a disease that was preventable from screening , but would see a physician on a regular basis and it will probably kill him in the next few years . He was stupid too and it will cut his life short by decades.