How is this not proof that the 2020 election was stolen? These people are perpetrating a coup d’état, which renders American democracy hollow. American democracy is a sham. The people I am referring to are the people held in the highest regard in the society. America is a lie.
(I think the rest of the world knows this, America is a murder…
How is this not proof that the 2020 election was stolen? These people are perpetrating a coup d’état, which renders American democracy hollow. American democracy is a sham. The people I am referring to are the people held in the highest regard in the society. America is a lie.
(I think the rest of the world knows this, America is a murderous thug on the world stage.)
You realize your children are being taught by teachers in secondary school, and in the Academy that are fully on board with this sort of deception . You know they’re turning your children into liars. Go speak to them, your children, they are not on this side. Please don’t think because Matt and a few other people are calling bullshit, that this is winning. The enemy resides in your basement.
We know it was NOT stolen because honest and competent government officials counted every legal ballot, and only legal ballots, accurately, with scrupulous care. Government officials never lie or mislead us; the historical record is clear.
OK, ask yourself this - who do you know, personally, that would have changed their vote from Biden to Trump because of Hunter? It works both ways for that matter, what circumstances would've caused a Trump voter to change to Biden? At best, you might get someone to not show up at the polls because they are so discouraged with the choice there.
On the one hand, to prove out in practice what the exercise had floated. After all, the exercise wasn't about the laptop - it was about how to act in concert without obvious coordination. And on the other, it probably is fair to say it might have cost Biden some votes, just not ones that would flip to Trump.
right, so they were worried it would cost them the election. Not via flipped votes but via no shows. Enough people saying "whats the difference, Biden is just as bad, why even vote?" could be the margin of difference and the laptop story could have had that kind of impact. Reverse the story and make it Donald Jr and its a biden landslide. They knew how dangerous this was
It’s a good point but the laptop is a single instance in a relentless, whole of society effort to subvert accurate information with an ambient political conditioning. If people in a position of authority view you as somehow dangerous should you receive accurate information then you are a captive and your rulers by dint of their own efforts are your enemy.
The "Trusted News Initiative," billed as an effort to counter (suppress) "misinformation," has likely resulted in a large increase in the number of people who *mistrust* the news. This could be a feature rather than a bug.
Hannah Arendt wrote that the ideal totalitarian subject isn't the devoted Nazi or the devoted Communist, but the person who no longer knows *what* to believe.
Propaganda is used because it works. Advertising is used because it works. Had they shown the other side of the tub with Uncle Joe smoking a crack pipe opposite Hunter, he would have lost.
Why do people believe that Trump is worse than all of the rest of them as far as ethics or smiling in your face goes? Because everyone they ever heard of is saying it repeatedly. Every google search is gamed to present the narrative. One might think, well, they are probably onto something and are right. But then look back at all those same people paling around with Trump back in the day. Why did they do it then and turn on him now?
Well, we can't actually answer that question because we cannot know what the aftermath of a more honestly and widely reported story would have been. Would there have been many more questions raised by sources other than the President about Mr. Biden's integrity? Would the media have badgered him more persistently about his anodyne non-responses to the charges of corruption? If so, would Mr. Biden have lost his cool and exposed his real character? Consider how few voters would have had to change their minds to alter the outcome of the election. A shift of 33,000 votes in Arizona, Georgia, Nebraska, and Wisconsin would have given the electoral college to President Trump.
Consider also that Zuck spent $400M to swing 110,000 votes from Trump to Biden instead of Hilliary. About $3K per vote. How many votes can you harvest at $3K each?
Surely you know some Biden voters you could ask. Can you assess the impact across the entire country - no, but you can at least test the contention to a degree. So, anyone?
Well, as I pointed out, it's not that straightforward. Counterfactual history is always a crapshoot at best, so let's focus instead on addressing the issue before us today.
Not sure why you feel the need to disrespect my comments by misquoting me. Where do I "argue how obvious the results would've been otherwise"? I think I made it plain how impossible it would be to derive useful information by simply asking Biden voters four years later if any one them would have changed their minds based on what we only know now, since we can't know what would have happened then if the NY Post story hadn't been deliberately repressed.
As to testing the premise "anecdotally"--for whatever value that might yield--I blush to learn that I have the power to stop you from doing that. By all means, have at it!
"Consider how few voters would have had to change their minds to alter the outcome of the election."
And then you backed away from that when I asked if it could be validated by simply asking any Biden voter you know if that is true. Perhaps you do not know a single Biden voter. You'd have to be in a pretty small bubble.
"Would there have been many more questions raised by sources other than the President about Mr. Biden's integrity?"
OK, what sources do you suppose would've done so? NYT? WaPo? CNN?
I don’t think you know what was in the laptop: evidence that Biden himself got a 10% cut of Hunter’s fees. The laptop isn’t important because of what it tells us about Hunter. It’s important because of what it tells us about Joe. Many people were unsure whom to vote for. The information most certainly would have changed the votes of many people who had thought of Joe Biden as an honorable and basically honest man. He isn’t, and the laptop emails made that clear.
How is this not proof that the 2020 election was stolen? These people are perpetrating a coup d’état, which renders American democracy hollow. American democracy is a sham. The people I am referring to are the people held in the highest regard in the society. America is a lie.
(I think the rest of the world knows this, America is a murderous thug on the world stage.)
You realize your children are being taught by teachers in secondary school, and in the Academy that are fully on board with this sort of deception . You know they’re turning your children into liars. Go speak to them, your children, they are not on this side. Please don’t think because Matt and a few other people are calling bullshit, that this is winning. The enemy resides in your basement.
We know it was NOT stolen because honest and competent government officials counted every legal ballot, and only legal ballots, accurately, with scrupulous care. Government officials never lie or mislead us; the historical record is clear.
Indubitably
OK, ask yourself this - who do you know, personally, that would have changed their vote from Biden to Trump because of Hunter? It works both ways for that matter, what circumstances would've caused a Trump voter to change to Biden? At best, you might get someone to not show up at the polls because they are so discouraged with the choice there.
If the Laptop story wouldn't have made any difference, why did they pull out all the stops to suppress it?
On the one hand, to prove out in practice what the exercise had floated. After all, the exercise wasn't about the laptop - it was about how to act in concert without obvious coordination. And on the other, it probably is fair to say it might have cost Biden some votes, just not ones that would flip to Trump.
right, so they were worried it would cost them the election. Not via flipped votes but via no shows. Enough people saying "whats the difference, Biden is just as bad, why even vote?" could be the margin of difference and the laptop story could have had that kind of impact. Reverse the story and make it Donald Jr and its a biden landslide. They knew how dangerous this was
It’s a good point but the laptop is a single instance in a relentless, whole of society effort to subvert accurate information with an ambient political conditioning. If people in a position of authority view you as somehow dangerous should you receive accurate information then you are a captive and your rulers by dint of their own efforts are your enemy.
The "Trusted News Initiative," billed as an effort to counter (suppress) "misinformation," has likely resulted in a large increase in the number of people who *mistrust* the news. This could be a feature rather than a bug.
Hannah Arendt wrote that the ideal totalitarian subject isn't the devoted Nazi or the devoted Communist, but the person who no longer knows *what* to believe.
Subsequent polls seem to show a different outcome had the electorate been aware of the suppressed info on Hunter's laptop.
Propaganda is used because it works. Advertising is used because it works. Had they shown the other side of the tub with Uncle Joe smoking a crack pipe opposite Hunter, he would have lost.
Why do people believe that Trump is worse than all of the rest of them as far as ethics or smiling in your face goes? Because everyone they ever heard of is saying it repeatedly. Every google search is gamed to present the narrative. One might think, well, they are probably onto something and are right. But then look back at all those same people paling around with Trump back in the day. Why did they do it then and turn on him now?
Well, we can't actually answer that question because we cannot know what the aftermath of a more honestly and widely reported story would have been. Would there have been many more questions raised by sources other than the President about Mr. Biden's integrity? Would the media have badgered him more persistently about his anodyne non-responses to the charges of corruption? If so, would Mr. Biden have lost his cool and exposed his real character? Consider how few voters would have had to change their minds to alter the outcome of the election. A shift of 33,000 votes in Arizona, Georgia, Nebraska, and Wisconsin would have given the electoral college to President Trump.
Consider also that Zuck spent $400M to swing 110,000 votes from Trump to Biden instead of Hilliary. About $3K per vote. How many votes can you harvest at $3K each?
Surely you know some Biden voters you could ask. Can you assess the impact across the entire country - no, but you can at least test the contention to a degree. So, anyone?
Well, as I pointed out, it's not that straightforward. Counterfactual history is always a crapshoot at best, so let's focus instead on addressing the issue before us today.
Ah, so you get to argue how obvious the results would've been otherwise, but I can't test the premise even anecdotally. Right.
Not sure why you feel the need to disrespect my comments by misquoting me. Where do I "argue how obvious the results would've been otherwise"? I think I made it plain how impossible it would be to derive useful information by simply asking Biden voters four years later if any one them would have changed their minds based on what we only know now, since we can't know what would have happened then if the NY Post story hadn't been deliberately repressed.
As to testing the premise "anecdotally"--for whatever value that might yield--I blush to learn that I have the power to stop you from doing that. By all means, have at it!
"Consider how few voters would have had to change their minds to alter the outcome of the election."
And then you backed away from that when I asked if it could be validated by simply asking any Biden voter you know if that is true. Perhaps you do not know a single Biden voter. You'd have to be in a pretty small bubble.
"Would there have been many more questions raised by sources other than the President about Mr. Biden's integrity?"
OK, what sources do you suppose would've done so? NYT? WaPo? CNN?
I don’t think you know what was in the laptop: evidence that Biden himself got a 10% cut of Hunter’s fees. The laptop isn’t important because of what it tells us about Hunter. It’s important because of what it tells us about Joe. Many people were unsure whom to vote for. The information most certainly would have changed the votes of many people who had thought of Joe Biden as an honorable and basically honest man. He isn’t, and the laptop emails made that clear.
"Many people were unsure whom to vote for."
That I doubt very much. No one voted FOR Biden, that would be like voting for cabbage. Every Biden vote was anti-Trump.
I was unsure who to vote for.
Is it “lying” if those children don’t know what the truth is themselves?
Useful idiots. They make your progeny idiots, hum, lying is better?
Yes