Alex Jones did not make some "knee-jerk" comment over Sandy Hook. He engaged in a campaign of hate against the families of Sandy Hook over many years, and encouraged his viewers to harass the parents who stood up to him.
Alex Jones is constantly telling his viewers that the government is engaging in false flag operations. This isn't paran…
Alex Jones did not make some "knee-jerk" comment over Sandy Hook. He engaged in a campaign of hate against the families of Sandy Hook over many years, and encouraged his viewers to harass the parents who stood up to him.
Alex Jones is constantly telling his viewers that the government is engaging in false flag operations. This isn't paranoia? Maybe it's a big grift to make money, but that makes it worse, not better. He has tried to push an insanity defense, though like you I think that this is probably bogus too.
“Then they’ll release the big one, and they’ll kill probably half the population of the United States. Folks, I’m telling you right now, I’m sure of it. They’re going to stage terror attacks. I will be very surprised if they don’t stage something by the end of this year.” — “The Alex Jones Show,” Feb. 13, 2009
“We understand the globalist false flag operation plan for next week. We all wonder, ‘Why did [House Speaker Nancy] Pelosi rush impeachment then hold it back for almost a month?’ They were lining it up for Martin Luther King Day because a yearly gun march, it’s happened for 20 years in Virginia at the Capitol. They’re planning to stage mass shootings, bombing or false flags to try to turn the American people against gun owners and President Trump.” — “Alex Jones Show,” Jan. 18, 2020
As for Jan 6, there was a planned and well-coordinated effort to overturn the results of a Presidential election, violently by some groups. What would you call the efforts of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers?
Your comment on "Jan 6" is as crazy and stupid as anything Jones has broadcast.
"Campaign of hate?" More like a deep-seated (if not pathological) distrust of the American security state. The judgment was unfair. Beyond the pale. The amount, if not the ruling, will be successfully appealed.
The "Proud Boys" is a joke by Gavin McInnes that was blown out of proportion and morphed into a bizarre parody social movement that reacts to the excesses of the left.
The Oath Keepers are reacting to what appears to be a credible and growing problem: the fascist cooperation between elements of the military industrial complex, the USG, and corporate media. They are one of the favorite targets of leftists who should genuinely fear this growing gaggle of veterans and ex-cops.
Did Jones commit defamation or not? Stop dancing around the topic here.
The judgement seems unfair to me and I hope it gets reduced. But he should have to disgorge any profits he received from his Sandy Hook broadcasts at the very least.
I don't know. All I know is that he claimed the massacre was a hoax, some sort of covert plot by shady state agents, a claim that deeply insulted a vulnerable bunch of grieving parents. A rather despicable thing to do. I don't pretend to know the extent of the ill will towards Jones on the part of these people.
Nor do I know the legal definition of "defamation," but I do know the amount of the judgement is both highly symbolic and intended to financially cripple Jones and prevent him from broadcasting.
The Oath Keepers came armed with an agenda to overturn the election by force if necessary. They left their firearms in a stash near the capital so that they could use them if it came to that.
The Proud Boys came ready to use violence in an effort to overturn the election as well.
This is all documented in text messaged and other electronic communications. I can dig the up if it will help clarify your mind on the topic.
And yes, it is a huge problem for Democracy when an armed and trained group has decided that they will not accept election results and will use violence to achieve what they cannot otherwise. I fear that we will not have free elections much longer, we have already crossed the Rubicon of using violence to contest election results that we do not like. 2020 was really just a dry run for the violence ahead.
So why did neither group do anything? Some sort of heroic effort on the part of the impeccable FBI? Would you like to see them railroaded into the klink on "conspiracy" charges? Which is the greater "problem for Democracy"?
The plain fact is that all right-wing factions have been demonized and their bogus "threat" is yet another excuse to stifle dissent via the policing of "disinformation" and "online right-wing conspiracies."
It's all a load of horseshit intended to justify the increased centralized control of communications in order to police dissent.
All that needs to be done to secure elections is to require ID, end mail-in voting, and return to all-paper balloting. Look to those who object to these measures to find those who would rig elections.
"Election denial" is the latest prefabricated phrase intended to discredit political opposition, and both parties are guilty of it.
They broke into the Capital and stopped Congress from certifying the election for a few hours. That's not nothing. Some of them assaulted officers. 140 were injured. I would not like to see them railroaded but I would like justice to be done, especially for those who injured the police.
I agree that "Domestic Terrorism" has been created as a new bogeyman now that the "Muslim Terrorists" schtick isn't working to keep people afraid and in line anymore.
Alex Jones did not make some "knee-jerk" comment over Sandy Hook. He engaged in a campaign of hate against the families of Sandy Hook over many years, and encouraged his viewers to harass the parents who stood up to him.
Alex Jones is constantly telling his viewers that the government is engaging in false flag operations. This isn't paranoia? Maybe it's a big grift to make money, but that makes it worse, not better. He has tried to push an insanity defense, though like you I think that this is probably bogus too.
“Then they’ll release the big one, and they’ll kill probably half the population of the United States. Folks, I’m telling you right now, I’m sure of it. They’re going to stage terror attacks. I will be very surprised if they don’t stage something by the end of this year.” — “The Alex Jones Show,” Feb. 13, 2009
“We understand the globalist false flag operation plan for next week. We all wonder, ‘Why did [House Speaker Nancy] Pelosi rush impeachment then hold it back for almost a month?’ They were lining it up for Martin Luther King Day because a yearly gun march, it’s happened for 20 years in Virginia at the Capitol. They’re planning to stage mass shootings, bombing or false flags to try to turn the American people against gun owners and President Trump.” — “Alex Jones Show,” Jan. 18, 2020
As for Jan 6, there was a planned and well-coordinated effort to overturn the results of a Presidential election, violently by some groups. What would you call the efforts of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers?
Your comment on "Jan 6" is as crazy and stupid as anything Jones has broadcast.
"Campaign of hate?" More like a deep-seated (if not pathological) distrust of the American security state. The judgment was unfair. Beyond the pale. The amount, if not the ruling, will be successfully appealed.
The "Proud Boys" is a joke by Gavin McInnes that was blown out of proportion and morphed into a bizarre parody social movement that reacts to the excesses of the left.
The Oath Keepers are reacting to what appears to be a credible and growing problem: the fascist cooperation between elements of the military industrial complex, the USG, and corporate media. They are one of the favorite targets of leftists who should genuinely fear this growing gaggle of veterans and ex-cops.
Did Jones commit defamation or not? Stop dancing around the topic here.
The judgement seems unfair to me and I hope it gets reduced. But he should have to disgorge any profits he received from his Sandy Hook broadcasts at the very least.
I don't know. All I know is that he claimed the massacre was a hoax, some sort of covert plot by shady state agents, a claim that deeply insulted a vulnerable bunch of grieving parents. A rather despicable thing to do. I don't pretend to know the extent of the ill will towards Jones on the part of these people.
Nor do I know the legal definition of "defamation," but I do know the amount of the judgement is both highly symbolic and intended to financially cripple Jones and prevent him from broadcasting.
The Oath Keepers came armed with an agenda to overturn the election by force if necessary. They left their firearms in a stash near the capital so that they could use them if it came to that.
The Proud Boys came ready to use violence in an effort to overturn the election as well.
This is all documented in text messaged and other electronic communications. I can dig the up if it will help clarify your mind on the topic.
And yes, it is a huge problem for Democracy when an armed and trained group has decided that they will not accept election results and will use violence to achieve what they cannot otherwise. I fear that we will not have free elections much longer, we have already crossed the Rubicon of using violence to contest election results that we do not like. 2020 was really just a dry run for the violence ahead.
So why did neither group do anything? Some sort of heroic effort on the part of the impeccable FBI? Would you like to see them railroaded into the klink on "conspiracy" charges? Which is the greater "problem for Democracy"?
The plain fact is that all right-wing factions have been demonized and their bogus "threat" is yet another excuse to stifle dissent via the policing of "disinformation" and "online right-wing conspiracies."
It's all a load of horseshit intended to justify the increased centralized control of communications in order to police dissent.
All that needs to be done to secure elections is to require ID, end mail-in voting, and return to all-paper balloting. Look to those who object to these measures to find those who would rig elections.
"Election denial" is the latest prefabricated phrase intended to discredit political opposition, and both parties are guilty of it.
Vote Libertarian.
P.S.
Nothing Jones says should be taken very seriously. I find it amusing that apparently some of his allegations have been borne out.
They broke into the Capital and stopped Congress from certifying the election for a few hours. That's not nothing. Some of them assaulted officers. 140 were injured. I would not like to see them railroaded but I would like justice to be done, especially for those who injured the police.
I agree that "Domestic Terrorism" has been created as a new bogeyman now that the "Muslim Terrorists" schtick isn't working to keep people afraid and in line anymore.