A timeline of the fallout since the editor-in-chief of The Atlantic reveals he was inadvertently included on a group chat about plans to attack the Houthis
Every day I feel like I'm waking up in bizarro land. The MSM is trying to paint this as a big deal because the Trump admin is "avoiding FOIA requests"......but we didn't hear a single thing from the MSM about Fauci and his crew using personal devices and accounts SPECIFICALLY to avoid FOIA requests.
So like....yay I'm happy that "journalists" are once again interested in holding powerful people accountable.....can we please make it not so nakedly partisan?
This is awful. No other way to spin this. Saying the other side did it, doesn't cut it. Is Trump's bar to just do better than Biden? I hope the Trump Administration would have a higher standard than that. This is horrible. Apologize, fire somebody and move on. Take responsibility. All the talk about accountability has to start at home for Trump. Someone needs to go over this.
I'm not talking about Trump, my default position (after much experience) is that government officials cannot be trusted.
I'm talking about the MEDIA suddenly rediscovering their love of hard-hitting journalism only when it's politically convenient for the uniparty.
"Someone needs to go over this" was the proper reaction when we found out Fauci and his crew were avoiding FOIA requests when it came to the biggest even of the last decade.
"Someone needs to go over this" was the proper reaction when government officials were using Greek letters to avoid FOIA.
If journalists didn't say it then, I certainly don't feel the need to listen to them now.
If you don't like the particulars of this story, just swap in "free speech" and "protestors". Suddenly it's EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to uphold the speech of Americans.....after years in which the media literally colluded with government to censor the free speech of Americans.
What are you going to do about THE Media? I repeat time and time again. Protest outside MSM. Make these people uncomfortable about their lies. THEY are complicit in genocide.
Good. Because until these 'liars' are outed NOTHING will happen and I do not give a shit about who owns them. Where are the morals and when the Palestinians are no more are the going to be COMFORTABLE!
Trump has got to correct the ship, not accept incompetence since the other side was worse. Trump should do what is right, not what was right when the other side did it. The other side tried to take over the country like fascists. We voted for Trump to do better and stop them, not make excuses.
Nothing burger-- some deep state troll in Walz's office (or a MI6 snapshot sent to the "journalist") did this. Think about the context of what is going on right now. The Deep State is desperate and pulling out all the stops.
Both are true. The Dems want a diversion from the socialist rising stars in the party, the Doge NGO Kleptocracy, the national debt and crime wave they endorsed.
Whoever is responsible for putting the list together (should be) will be fired and probably prosecuted. If the hack is the technology company that’s another investigation that will take some time.
Some "conservatives" are never truly happy unless they are policing other Republicans for alleged breaches of the sacred norms, norms which no longer exist. The victories of the Trump administration make them nervous. They get anxious when we’re not losing like gentlemen. They are comfortable only in failure mode.
Sadly, I think there's a lot of truth to that. We don't even know all the facts about what happened yet. But whatever it is, it's not 1/1000th as bad as using a bathroom server for 4 years or having a Chinese spy on your staff when you are the chairwoman of the senate intelligence committee or banging a Chinese spy for 4 years or taking bribes from China, Ukraine, Russia, Iraq and elsewhere. That's the legacy of the democrats. Holding a somewhat sensitive chat on Signal and being hacked by someone inside the government so that Washington's most notorious smear merchant can try to gin up a new scandal on you? That doesn't even scratch the surface of the democrat's incompetence and corruption.
This is the comment of an insane, partisan hack. Get your head checked out. If nothing else, the use of so many emoji's by grown men (let alone our nations leadership) is more than embarrassing enough to make this a big deal.
If the "conservatives" are comfortable only in failure mode, then I'd say the "liberals" are only comfortable if they're squatting on failure - to the hilt.
I'm trying to understand why this is so "awful." A mistake has occurred, and it needs to be corrected. But fire somebody? I don't see how that is appropriate, especially against the backdrop of what appears to be a the long-overdue response to Houthi attacks on international shipping. That's winning, to me.
If someone can tell me how Jeffrey Goldberg's inadvertent presence in that meeting compromised the success of the action, or cost an American their life, I'll listen. Until then, we can assume this is just the Dems, grasping at straws.
Houthis have NOT attacked International shipping unless they were delivering goods to outlawed terrorist state of Zionists in Israhell. Get your facts straight..
From ChatGPT: "European ships are still navigating through the Red Sea shipping lanes, despite the challenges posed by Houthi rebel attacks. However, the frequency of these transits has significantly decreased due to security concerns. It's reported that approximately 60% of EU-affiliated vessels have opted to reroute around Africa instead of transiting the Red Sea, adding considerable time and cost to their journeys.
The White House
In response to the Houthi threats, the European Union launched Operation Aspides in February 2024, a defensive naval mission aimed at protecting commercial shipping in the Red Sea. This operation involves multiple EU member states and focuses on escorting vessels and enhancing maritime security in the region.
euronews
Despite these protective measures, the ongoing attacks have led to a substantial reduction in Red Sea traffic, with reports indicating a 75% decrease. This disruption has had a notable impact on global trade, leading to increased transit times and costs.
In summary, while some European ships continue to traverse the Red Sea under the protection of EU naval operations, a significant portion have chosen alternative routes to mitigate the risks associated with Houthi attacks.
They the Zionists in Israel need to get their State in shape. Once they stop the killing of women/babies/men the Houthis will stop, just as they did in the ceasefire which Israel broke! Who else is supporting the Palestinians apart from Hamas?
Yes, they're grasping at straws for sure, trying to do something to counteract their historic unpopularity. They want a scalp for sure, but I don't think they are going to get one this time. We need to find out what happened though.
The Atlantic just proved that the administration blundered by saying the leak didn't contain classified information. Precise times of bombing runs are as classified as information gets. Denying it was classified gave Atlantic license to share it. Hoisted on their own petards by playing dumb or outright lying, Trump's bozos have given legs to the Signal-gate story. Nobody could be that dumb, right? Already theories emerge on a traitor staffer or intentional sabotage of political rivals.
Think of it as an unvetted press release. The same information would come from the administration after the fact, but using more polite language, expressing regret over civilian deaths, and taking a W for the number of Houthi pirates they killed.
Both things can be true at the same time. Given they participated in the chat, they knew part of what goldberg was saying was true. Goldberg goaded them into denying the classified part. It just shows the goldberg is all about playing games.
The theory about a traitor staffer is a very solid one. Of all the people who could 'accidentally' get invited to that chat, it ends up being jeffrey goldberg? That would be quite a coincidence.
No one "goaded" them into denying the texts were classified. They did it to cover their asses. But OOOPSIE, The Atlantic used the non-classified classification to blow the lid off the cover up. The Trump Titanic just hit a goldberg and ripped the bottom out of their careers.
Goldberg acted sheepish as if he wasn't going to release the texts so that Trump's people would overplay their hand. It was foolish on Trump's part, they knew he wasn't completely bluffing. Goldberg is an operative. There's no Titanic, the ship is on course. This is peanuts.
By "overplaying their hand," they lied about the content not being classified which was, not coincidentally, a cover-up for violating the law. Lower ranking persons would be in jail. They're all singing "SKIF, SKIF, SKIF to my Lou" hoping it blows over. Trump has washed his hands of the affair. Military families are weighing in with disgust. This ship of fools is sailing into a storm.
Since discussing war plans on an unsecured app, even without a reporter, is a crime, journalists and conspiracy hacks both will run the Signalgate story into the ground. Hegseth lied that war plans weren't discussed. Waltz let a fox into the hen house. None of them noticed.
How do you define "war plans"? There were times but not locations. The operation was a success. How do you define "unsecured app". Signal is an approved app that's loaded onto every government phone.
Hillary Clinton discussed top secret information with the President through an unsecured server for 4 years. Not only was she not fired, she almost became President.
No, it's whataboutism. Excuses no one. Hillary abused her privileges and these bozos proved they don't know the rules and then lied. Without the cover-up it might have gone away. Now it's SignalGate. This affects trust in America intelligence by allies.
So for you accountability means in every error someone must be fired? Not so much as a "figure out why this happened", just fire someone, right? Ah, I get it, you're a Dem or a Never Trumper.
Yes, I think admitting it's a mistake and getting to the bottom of it is a good idea. But to submit to the media's double standards and fire people over this? I don't think so. The only reason a person should be fired is if someone screwed with Waltz's phone so that goldberg would be invited into the chat. If goldberg had prior knowledge of it, he should be arrested and imprisoned.
well, at this point, they could say: ok we mistakenly included the journalist in this chat and we fucked up because we didnt double check who was in and because even if we had a "safe" list of participants, we should have met in person in a secure location to discuss these plans
You must have been on the Signal thing too, to make those bold suggestions. Perhaps there will be a time to say “we fucked up”, but remember these are Repubs — as soon as that admission is made the MSM will go to town. Why not let it unfold and if it was a fuck up, then perhaps
you are probably right, and I'm too naive. This will be forgotten in a week and MSM (M for Moron, S for Stupid and M for Malevolent) will jump on some other bone to chew
Waltz seemed to indicate he thought it may be sabotage and I think he may be right. Why would he say "I mistakenly included a journalist" if it wasn't his fault?
I don't believe for one second that this was some screw-up, other than the fact that Jeffrey Goldberg was included inadvertently. I don't believe that anyone accidently clicked on his name. The question should be, why is Jeffrey Goldberg included in a group (or whatever) that is at this level? Hmmm... Does the name General Milley ring a bell with anyone?
Agreed. Hard for me to believe his inclusion was accidental. Kudos to Waltz for bearing responsibility. I can't help but wonder what Goldberg would have done if this were the Biden admin.
Yes Mike, that IS the question! Like the Roe v Wade Supreme Court leak, I fear we may never find out. These people aren't dumb and great at covering their tracks, which might include technologically re-directing blame to others.
I am 50/50 on this. On one hand, what you say is true, something like this simply couldn't happen accidentally but on the other these guys are dinosaurs who can't rotate a PDF, so to speak.
That presupposes at least two things: 1) That they are technological dinosaurs (which I don't know to be true), and; 2) that they are the ones "rotating the PDF", and not some more-technologically-able staffer.
Not gonna happen. They had a chance for introspection after the 2016 election, a chance for magnanimity after 2020, and another chance for introspection in 2024, and in each case, after ducking and weaving for a few days, decided to just double down on what they were doing.
This puts people committed to principle, like Matt or you or me, in a terrible position. When one side has the refs on its side and cheats with impunity, sticking to principle means you lose. But, you don't want to become what you oppose--on principle. (btw, I am sure many Repubs would cheat in their own way, if they owned the media and bureaucracy as do the Dems. So people can spare me the lectures on that score.)
My answer is to fight fire with fire, because if you lose on these kind of issues (free speech, immigration as a tool to change the electorate and the culture, destroying the judicial system) you have lost forever--in an overused word, this is existential. The only way to get them to stop is to show them that they are vulnerable, as well. But doing so does mean real risks that in winning you adopt the tactics and mindsets you were opposing. Such quandaries are unavoidable as long as there are evil people in the world--part of the "human condition." Pacifism is great, until the Wehrmacht shows up.
And, yes, I did use the word "evil," and not for mere rhetorical effect. They are evil.
You make a lot of good points. I think that at this point, the only real thing keeping the democrats emboldened is how corrupt our elections have become. They would've been forced to wave the white flag by 2019 if we'd had honest elections. Corrupt elections means that even when republicans win big, we barely win. Trump should have won 369 electoral votes and republicans should have 57 senate seats. If elections had been clean the past 10 years, republicans would have 70 senate seats right now and at least an 80 seat majority in the House. I'm not exaggerating. At that point, the Emperor would have no clothes. It would be obvious to everyone how unpopular they are and the illusion that they are just one election away from taking back power would disappear.
Fauci wasn’t texting classified war plans you absolute joke of a sentient adult. It’s clear now there is absolutely nothing you won’t excuse. Nothing. At this point Trump could accidentally nuke Virginia and you couldn’t say “this was wrong” without dredging up some BS about Fauci from five years ago.
And of course if the nuke was a dud the party line would be “nothing even happened why is everyone making a big deal jeez!”
Uh...plans to cover up the GoF research that led to the pandemic and the lockdowns based on bogus information are a whole lot worse than "war plans" the pirates couldn't do anything with even if they had.
And I'm literally working on an article about the Trump administration going after political dissidents, but tell me more about how I worship him.
You're completely projecting. The NSA said there is a 99.9% chance China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea had continuous access to Clinton's emails for 4 years.
That's not 'whataboutism', that is perspective. Comparing this recent incident to her continuous flagrant disregard for security is a massive false equivalence. You're projecting your own double standard onto others.
I have no problem being critical of what happened here, but I first need to know how goldberg was invited into the chat. Neither you nor I know that yet.
Goldberg - a hero for journalism in his own mind. He KNEW from the looking at the other participants in the group he had no business being part of the conversation. The appropriate courses of action would have been 1) leave the group immediately; 2) notify OSD that he had been included in the group; and, 3) make himself available for a debrief on the event. But, no, the simple fact is he saw an opportunity to exploit the situation, and did so.
I disagree. What journalist on earth would not salivate at seeing this? At least he had the sense to not share some of the sensitive information. But a journalist behind the Russia, Russia hoax cannot be expected to remain silent he just got the scoop of his career! Let’s be honest someone really screwed up and of course the Dems will make a big deal about this. Typical MSM though in that they are more concerned about this than reporting what happened with the Houthi strike.
He did exactly what he was supposed to do. I'm a noted Goldberg hater, but holy shit, he did the job of journalism. It's not his job to cover up others mistakes.
Understood, but you can understand why some of us are skeptical this was an 'accidental' invite. Of all people, jeffrey goldberg? He's the perfect guy to send it to because he's very skilled at doing an artful smear job.
I'm saying it's very possible. Waltz basically said he thought he was inviting Jamieson Greer (JG) into the chat. There were many elaborate hoaxes during the 1st term, and this would be in line with those. The mistake Trump made was not to disclose exactly what was in the chats from the beginning. Goldberg did exaggerate what was in there, but he wasn't completely bluffing either. I believe his intention was to smear the administration, whether he had prior knowledge he would be invited to the chat or not (probably not so he could have plausible deniability).
Doesn’t anyone think that using a non-secure commercial app to discuss operational details of an imminent military operation isn’t just a teensy bit newsworthy? Possibly even in the public interest to be made public?
Possibly, but how do you define non-secure? They can't run to a SCIF every time they need to communicate. It's not like the attack was being planned in this chat. And I'm not convinced the leak was an 'accident'.
Again no ethical moral behavior - an opportunist or a paid shill or both and more. 15 minutes of fame - Atlantic loses all credibility - protect source, disengage due to level of breach, act professionally, weigh consequences, set up by a rogue actor, now all energy spent on this diverting attention and any real consideration that WW III is on the table- the news will be playing as the first nuke hits Washington or a supersonic missile. The leaders are leading us into a world we cannot even imagine all while blasting Make America GREAT Again- we ‘re on the skids can’t you hear the death rattle amongst the saber rattling- we cannot deliver on what we threaten- less hubris, more humility is needed ASAP- new sheriff in town has used up his goodwill.
Just kiss off and go away. You got a nothing burger and you and the stupid 2024 election loser’s can’t handle it. You’re digging the hole deeper and too arrogant/stupid to know or admit it! The polls just keep going down for you lefties every time you start whining about President Trump and his administration keeping the policies he campaigned on. Once again- just go away.
Was Goldberg his own "deep throat?" Hoping the DOGE bros can weave a little magic into the ether of "other means" possibly employed by the Deep State in the age of cyber non security, if that is what this is other than the magical gift Goldberg alleges. And yes, he had no business being there, knew it but stayed to put a road block in the way of Trump & gift the floundering Dems. Wasn't giving aid to anyone but himself, certainly NOT the country or the World in the case of the destructive Houthis.
If the Trump administration were to put together a list of the 'journalists' who are the biggest scumbags and hate Trump the most ... Goldberg would probably lead the list. And by some incredible coincidence, he ended up getting the texts. (As 'coincidences' go, it's right up there with China's only high security medical lab conducting 'gain of function' research happened to be 500 yards from the wetmarket where Covid supposedly emanated from.)
Is it all that improbable to think that maybe, just maybe, someone in the national security apparatus somehow snuck Goldberg into the text conversation?
Sounds like Wong might be another Vindamin on the inside ready, willing and able to fight for the “resistance”. Bears looking into, as well as for any other deep state plants. They got “seven ways from Sunday…”
Even if that is true, which it very well may be, the stuff they were talking about on that chat seems to me to be something you'd be talking about on a MUCH more secure government communications tool/app. The fact that he was so easily added without anyone elses knowledge suggests it could be anyone added and not just some snobby journalist.
When somebody is added to a Signal chat, all participants see a message he's been added. There is no way they were unaware of his presence. Did he join under somebody else's name and phone number? Or, maybe, he was never in the conversation, but received the content from a staffer.
That would be my immediate thought that the staffer is a leaker / resistance staffer. The deep state is in fact very deep. And with tens of thousands of them losing their jobs get ready for this being an every week occurrence going forward
Yes, an NSC staffer put together the list. Is this staffer a holdover from Biden or career staffer (most are Ds or D sympathizers, remember "The Resistance" in Trump 45?). Who is that person and did they accidentally include Goldberg or intentionally? This is just like that jerk Vindman on the Trump/Zelensky call- now his brother is a Democrat Member of Congress (imagine that, gee whiz!). The rest is just theater because it didn't lead to any harm (unlike Biden's incursion comment prior to the Ukraine invasion for example). Fix the problem, change the method of communication, limit people in the chain. Frankly, every one of the people on the chain has tremendous authority over what is classified and not. God does not classify or declassify things, nor does third party nonpartisan observer- It is ultimately the President and his appointees. If the media got the vapors any more, they would pass out...
This is the biggest mystery here, is it not? How did Goldberg get on the chat? Who looped him in? And HTF did NO ONE notice?
And how/why is Signal the defacto app that's preloaded on govt devices, etc? Katherine Maher, of Wikimedia and NPR, chaired the Board of Signal. Which seems interesting.
Yes. I just read that today. The committee hearing LIAR OF THE YEAR trophy goes to Katherine Maher and yes, she sits on SIGNALS board. That’s just wrong.
And why are we bombing Yemen?? Because they are the only country which is actively trying to put an end to the genocide of the Palestinians. Empire states they are terrorists and must die!
"European ships are still navigating through the Red Sea shipping lanes, despite the challenges posed by Houthi rebel attacks. However, the frequency of these transits has significantly decreased due to security concerns. It's reported that approximately 60% of EU-affiliated vessels have opted to reroute around Africa instead of transiting the Red Sea, adding considerable time and cost to their journeys.
In response to the Houthi threats, the European Union launched Operation Aspides in February 2024, a defensive naval mission aimed at protecting commercial shipping in the Red Sea. This operation involves multiple EU member states and focuses on escorting vessels and enhancing maritime security in the region.
euronews
Despite these protective measures, the ongoing attacks have led to a substantial reduction in Red Sea traffic, with reports indicating a 75% decrease. This disruption has had a notable impact on global trade, leading to increased transit times and costs.
In summary, while some European ships continue to traverse the Red Sea under the protection of EU naval operations, a significant portion have chosen alternative routes to mitigate the risks associated with Houthi attacks."
You know, I hate to think like that, I don’t want to defend stupidity, but what if one of the numbers on the chat was made to go to Goldberg without anyone being the wiser.
This information should have been discussed on unsecured channels, but what has happened in our Country in the last 20 years makes my head spin.
C’mon Guys! Jeffrey Mark Goldberg… of “The Atlantic”… is “mistakenly”… invited onto a conversation involving high level security discussions…. There’s no mistake. He’s a midget of a man who will instantly turn on our country and blab to the world. That’s why they used him to make sure the Europeans knew how the US now views them.
Let me see if I've got this straight - they deliberately invited a much-reviled journalist into a group chat which clearly contains sensitive info in the hopes that he would publish an article that makes them all look like completely incompetent asshats, with the motive being that in this way they could let Europe know the administration is upset with them. Have I got that right?
Yes, you have that right. The moment you admitted to the “much-reviled journalist” - of ALL the journalists possible - you made my point. Thank you! Thank you very much!
Good question- propaganda or only way these players can push back against Trump - who does this serve? and why? or is it just a diversion - look here while we do evil there. Loony tune time in US all day every day with crazed leaders at the helm, no diplomatic experience, no seasoned participants, no interfacing with alternate advisers with a broad perspective achieved over years of experience- the Wild West mentality prevails- what could go wrong?
signalgate certainly serves to deflect attention away from the illegal (not approved by congress) war on yemen and the houthi success in closing the red sea to maritime traffic.
Thanks for the timeline without the editorial. How refreshing to let me think for myself. It will be very interesting to see how this happened. I hear a fox in the hen house.
I too wonder if this was inadvertent or if they let him in deliberately to signal to Europe they are tired of bailing them out. Coffee and Covid made a strong argument for this the other day. Also it could be a leak. How else would Goldberg be invited? Sometimes I think Trump plays the media and they are clueless. This takes attention off the deportation flight controversy.
Thank you for this timeline, so we can decide for ourselves. Videos no longer seem to work on this platform.
I really think people are trying to find some sense in this way too much when it's much more likely, and makes more sense, that this is a big mistake, or worse.
Who was running the autopen for four f-ing years? Anyone in the media concerned about this? How about the framing of a sitting POTUS as a Russian spy by the FBI and DOJ? Anyone interested in looking into this? Anyone held accountable?
No, it's called perspective. It's called calling out hypocrisy, selective outrage, blatant double standards.
They don't give a damn about national security or fairness, all they want is blood.
And too many weak republicans and wishy washy independents who are obsessed with proving to themselves that they are above partisanship fall victim to the sensationalist reporting and predictably fall into a reactionary state over this...
No, fire Waltz, he's just going to get us in more wars as it is. Don't fire him because the Dems want blood. Fire him because this bombing was dumb, this was embarrassing to say the least, and because his foreign policy sucks.
Okay Glenn Greenwald. I wouldn't say the bombing was dumb, it seemed to be fairly effective. I know, "the jews, the jews!"
From ChatGPT:
"European ships are still navigating through the Red Sea shipping lanes, despite the challenges posed by Houthi rebel attacks. However, the frequency of these transits has significantly decreased due to security concerns. It's reported that approximately 60% of EU-affiliated vessels have opted to reroute around Africa instead of transiting the Red Sea, adding considerable time and cost to their journeys.
In response to the Houthi threats, the European Union launched Operation Aspides in February 2024, a defensive naval mission aimed at protecting commercial shipping in the Red Sea. This operation involves multiple EU member states and focuses on escorting vessels and enhancing maritime security in the region.
euronews
Despite these protective measures, the ongoing attacks have led to a substantial reduction in Red Sea traffic, with reports indicating a 75% decrease. This disruption has had a notable impact on global trade, leading to increased transit times and costs.
In summary, while some European ships continue to traverse the Red Sea under the protection of EU naval operations, a significant portion have chosen alternative routes to mitigate the risks associated with Houthi attacks."
Republicans should just shrug their shoulders and ask, "Who cares?" It's a strategy that has been quite successful with the Democrats and their fake news cohorts.
So ragtag band of illiterate barbarians all but shut down commercial shipping through the Straight of Hormuz in a country with a GDP smaller than many US cities and counties. They repeatedly attack U.S. Navy ships using Iranian supplied missiles and drones from 2023 until the end of the Biden administration in 2025.
Two months into the Trump administration the Houthis get their asses handed to them by our military.
And which of these two scenarios reflects a disgraceful level of incompetence and triggers calls for a congressional investigation?
Well said! My hope is with his reelection folks have finally caught on to this foolishness. If Republicans don't fight back they might as well call it a day.
Yes, it's all upside down. This is desperate straw grabbing, to say the least. Maybe it was done intentionally by the administration to give these mongrels something to naw on for a while...who knows?
Or fire Waltz because he's going to keep pushing for war with Iran and because this was embarrassing and really dumb. This bombing was as far from America First as it came.
Well, it's not ideal. They need to get to the bottom of this. But I can tell you that my phone and computer have exchanged names and phone numbers, email addresses, both. Two of my friends. Tom Wietor is now Tom Rosich and same phone number. I didn't bother to change his name. And my friend carol Carr is now Carol Bardenstein, same phone no. They were other people on my contact list I do not talk to anymore. That would mean he had to be on someone's contact list or at least he emailed someone there for it to happen like above. I am not happy about Signal as a communication platform, but apparently, it's been used a lot by Biden and CIA.
I guess I'm not happy and it needs to be fixed. Not sure if someone needs to be fired. But I can tell you, I feel a lot better than it was a mistake and not something purposeful like Hillary's email server, Bengazi, and Afghanistan withdrawal. It's not as bad as that because people weren't killed and it wasn't on purpose.
I'm torn because personally I'm not saying a word, either. The job of a journalist is to hold powerful people accountable - the problem is that JG probably doesn't even qualify as a journalist and is more of a standard presstitute.
Yes, something has to be fixed. I am sure people can hack into his phone, not necessarily HIM, but somebody who thought he'd be the one to add. Not sure how they fix this. Elon should be able to fix it. But it's not the disaster they want to make it. They needed something, for sure. But I know for a fact that names/phone numbers change on their own. Happened to me twice. I thought it was kinda funny. Not so much in this case.
Why do you trust “rider” on twitter has some knowledge we don’t?
I don’t see where in this communication waltz is saying the contacts were added by someone else. I wouldnt jump to conclusion yet even though we all wanna know.
Oops that's the wrong link, it must have stuck on my clipboard from another comment. This is Waltz saying he doesn't know how Goldberg got onto his contact list:
There is a lesson here for everyone in Congress, though I'm 100% sure it won't be taken. When you are in charge, you have to do to your own people what you will demand for the others. For instance, if you get 13 American soldiers killed while leaving equipment and turning over a government to your enemies, you should fire people if you plan to ask the other side to fire people for something much less controversial. I know it's hard to understand, but playing outrage theater only works if you are outraged no matter whose team it is.
It's selective outrage. And let's be honest, this incident nowhere even close to the incompetence and corruption of the last two democrat administrations so it's a false equivalence. If this really was a screw up and not sabotage, I want it fixed. Am I going to demand any of the principals be fired over it? Absolutely not.
Goldberg’s phone number was loaded into a senior officer’s contact information. The name of the senior officer appeared on the list of participants not Goldberg’s name. That senior officer was therefore not included. None of the participants in the text chat would know that Goldberg was included instead of the senior officer. The important question to be answered is how did Goldberg’s phone number get entered in someone else’s contact, and was it on purpose? I wonder if it might have been migrated from the previous administration. It does not seem like something that could be an honest mistake.
Yeah, and unfortunately I feel like we're never going to get the answer. How many investigations of leaking did Sessions being in 2017? Did they ever find a single one? Maybe they did, but we never heard about them. Instead, all we got was the cover-up artist John Durham.
My information comes from National Security Advisor Michael Waltz in an interview. He did not divulge which invited participant’s contact information contained Goldberg’s phone number. He also did not say who was responsible, nor did he say how the phone number was incorrectly entered. It seems to me this is highly unlikely to be inadvertent. I hope the administration shares findings from any investigations conducted about this.
Or this "accidentally included in a Signal chat" was a fairy tale. He was never on Signal but somebody who had access to the senior officer's phone leaked the content to him.
Depends on how it was done, if you're multitasking and looking back and forth between phones and punch in the wrong phone number for the wrong person - yeah I could see that happening and it being an honest mistake. It's a huge mistake and that person should definitely be fired, but I can see how it happened.
This "scandal" is the Left's new January 6th. And, as with January 6th, nobody cares.
Was it a mistake? Sure. Could it have turned out very badly? Possibly. We'll never know. Thank God everything went smoothly. Bullet dodged, as it were. Lessons learned. It may turn out to be a good thing that the administration has been brought up sharp and put on the alert relatively painlessly. It had to happen sometime. Now it's done, and at relatively little cost.
But it certainly is hard to miss the MSM's and the Left's sheer glee over it. Finally something bad to talk about! All this rooting out waste, fraud, and abuse and all this deporting of criminal gangs and all this rescuing of stranded astronauts was starting to get the Left down, man!
Maybe more mistakes will be made, and maybe people will actually be hurt or killed next time! Maybe the stock market will crash and there will be a recession! Maybe prices will stay high and wages low! Maybe unemployment will go up! Maybe there will not be peace in Europe and the Middle East!
Every day I feel like I'm waking up in bizarro land. The MSM is trying to paint this as a big deal because the Trump admin is "avoiding FOIA requests"......but we didn't hear a single thing from the MSM about Fauci and his crew using personal devices and accounts SPECIFICALLY to avoid FOIA requests.
https://ibb.co/mr1MQsT4
Or when Andy Leavitt used Greek letters specifically to avoid FOIA requests........
https://freebeacon.com/democrats/whitmer-administration-used-calculated-scheme-to-hide-sensitive-email-from-the-public-lawsuit-says/
So like....yay I'm happy that "journalists" are once again interested in holding powerful people accountable.....can we please make it not so nakedly partisan?
This is awful. No other way to spin this. Saying the other side did it, doesn't cut it. Is Trump's bar to just do better than Biden? I hope the Trump Administration would have a higher standard than that. This is horrible. Apologize, fire somebody and move on. Take responsibility. All the talk about accountability has to start at home for Trump. Someone needs to go over this.
I'm not talking about Trump, my default position (after much experience) is that government officials cannot be trusted.
I'm talking about the MEDIA suddenly rediscovering their love of hard-hitting journalism only when it's politically convenient for the uniparty.
"Someone needs to go over this" was the proper reaction when we found out Fauci and his crew were avoiding FOIA requests when it came to the biggest even of the last decade.
"Someone needs to go over this" was the proper reaction when government officials were using Greek letters to avoid FOIA.
If journalists didn't say it then, I certainly don't feel the need to listen to them now.
If you don't like the particulars of this story, just swap in "free speech" and "protestors". Suddenly it's EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to uphold the speech of Americans.....after years in which the media literally colluded with government to censor the free speech of Americans.
What are you going to do about THE Media? I repeat time and time again. Protest outside MSM. Make these people uncomfortable about their lies. THEY are complicit in genocide.
I'm trying to put them out of business, Jenny!
Good. Because until these 'liars' are outed NOTHING will happen and I do not give a shit about who owns them. Where are the morals and when the Palestinians are no more are the going to be COMFORTABLE!
Trump has got to correct the ship, not accept incompetence since the other side was worse. Trump should do what is right, not what was right when the other side did it. The other side tried to take over the country like fascists. We voted for Trump to do better and stop them, not make excuses.
OK, but I'm still not talking about Trump.
I fully expect politicians to take exactly as much accountability as they always do.
Now we have to demand scalps? Admit the screw up, yes. Lose your career no.
Well you voted for evil. Even IF you had voted for Biden you would have voted for evil.
WHY don't you get some backbone USA.
You could have voted for Ralph Nader. Years ago. But you are so brainwashed you vote for the duopoly. It's just a big circus owned by Israhell.
Taht's one hell of a laugh: Trump correcting the ship!
Seriously, the sycophants in these comments are insane.
This response sounds deranged. The only one sounding "nakedly partisan" here is you, bud.
Yes x 100
Nothing burger-- some deep state troll in Walz's office (or a MI6 snapshot sent to the "journalist") did this. Think about the context of what is going on right now. The Deep State is desperate and pulling out all the stops.
Carol, enough with the deep state thing. Trumps people are the deep state now. No one to blame but themselves.
It is wrong to think that everyone in the government is on Trump's side now. Many of them aren't. Just a fact.
Bull
Both are true. The Dems want a diversion from the socialist rising stars in the party, the Doge NGO Kleptocracy, the national debt and crime wave they endorsed.
Whoever is responsible for putting the list together (should be) will be fired and probably prosecuted. If the hack is the technology company that’s another investigation that will take some time.
Nah.
Stop being soft.
Some "conservatives" are never truly happy unless they are policing other Republicans for alleged breaches of the sacred norms, norms which no longer exist. The victories of the Trump administration make them nervous. They get anxious when we’re not losing like gentlemen. They are comfortable only in failure mode.
That's why I call them the Washington Generals of the uniparty.
Sadly, I think there's a lot of truth to that. We don't even know all the facts about what happened yet. But whatever it is, it's not 1/1000th as bad as using a bathroom server for 4 years or having a Chinese spy on your staff when you are the chairwoman of the senate intelligence committee or banging a Chinese spy for 4 years or taking bribes from China, Ukraine, Russia, Iraq and elsewhere. That's the legacy of the democrats. Holding a somewhat sensitive chat on Signal and being hacked by someone inside the government so that Washington's most notorious smear merchant can try to gin up a new scandal on you? That doesn't even scratch the surface of the democrat's incompetence and corruption.
That's not 'whataboutism'. That's perspective.
This is the comment of an insane, partisan hack. Get your head checked out. If nothing else, the use of so many emoji's by grown men (let alone our nations leadership) is more than embarrassing enough to make this a big deal.
Emoji's...wow.
I agree that your comment is that of an insane, partisan hack.
If the "conservatives" are comfortable only in failure mode, then I'd say the "liberals" are only comfortable if they're squatting on failure - to the hilt.
I'm trying to understand why this is so "awful." A mistake has occurred, and it needs to be corrected. But fire somebody? I don't see how that is appropriate, especially against the backdrop of what appears to be a the long-overdue response to Houthi attacks on international shipping. That's winning, to me.
If someone can tell me how Jeffrey Goldberg's inadvertent presence in that meeting compromised the success of the action, or cost an American their life, I'll listen. Until then, we can assume this is just the Dems, grasping at straws.
Houthis have NOT attacked International shipping unless they were delivering goods to outlawed terrorist state of Zionists in Israhell. Get your facts straight..
Can someone shut up this C
Jenny is a valuable counter-voice. I'm glad she's here. No echo chambers, either of the Right or Left variety.
Merci beaucoup Pacifcus.
For the love, please.
From ChatGPT: "European ships are still navigating through the Red Sea shipping lanes, despite the challenges posed by Houthi rebel attacks. However, the frequency of these transits has significantly decreased due to security concerns. It's reported that approximately 60% of EU-affiliated vessels have opted to reroute around Africa instead of transiting the Red Sea, adding considerable time and cost to their journeys.
The White House
In response to the Houthi threats, the European Union launched Operation Aspides in February 2024, a defensive naval mission aimed at protecting commercial shipping in the Red Sea. This operation involves multiple EU member states and focuses on escorting vessels and enhancing maritime security in the region.
euronews
Despite these protective measures, the ongoing attacks have led to a substantial reduction in Red Sea traffic, with reports indicating a 75% decrease. This disruption has had a notable impact on global trade, leading to increased transit times and costs.
Bloomberg.com
In summary, while some European ships continue to traverse the Red Sea under the protection of EU naval operations, a significant portion have chosen alternative routes to mitigate the risks associated with Houthi attacks.
Jenny, since when does freedom of navigation not include goods being delivered to Israel? Let me know, I must have missed that UN memo.
No matter, you still are my new Favorite Troll, now that Feldspar has left the house.
They the Zionists in Israel need to get their State in shape. Once they stop the killing of women/babies/men the Houthis will stop, just as they did in the ceasefire which Israel broke! Who else is supporting the Palestinians apart from Hamas?
Yes, they're grasping at straws for sure, trying to do something to counteract their historic unpopularity. They want a scalp for sure, but I don't think they are going to get one this time. We need to find out what happened though.
The Atlantic just proved that the administration blundered by saying the leak didn't contain classified information. Precise times of bombing runs are as classified as information gets. Denying it was classified gave Atlantic license to share it. Hoisted on their own petards by playing dumb or outright lying, Trump's bozos have given legs to the Signal-gate story. Nobody could be that dumb, right? Already theories emerge on a traitor staffer or intentional sabotage of political rivals.
Think of it as an unvetted press release. The same information would come from the administration after the fact, but using more polite language, expressing regret over civilian deaths, and taking a W for the number of Houthi pirates they killed.
Both things can be true at the same time. Given they participated in the chat, they knew part of what goldberg was saying was true. Goldberg goaded them into denying the classified part. It just shows the goldberg is all about playing games.
The theory about a traitor staffer is a very solid one. Of all the people who could 'accidentally' get invited to that chat, it ends up being jeffrey goldberg? That would be quite a coincidence.
No one "goaded" them into denying the texts were classified. They did it to cover their asses. But OOOPSIE, The Atlantic used the non-classified classification to blow the lid off the cover up. The Trump Titanic just hit a goldberg and ripped the bottom out of their careers.
Goldberg acted sheepish as if he wasn't going to release the texts so that Trump's people would overplay their hand. It was foolish on Trump's part, they knew he wasn't completely bluffing. Goldberg is an operative. There's no Titanic, the ship is on course. This is peanuts.
By "overplaying their hand," they lied about the content not being classified which was, not coincidentally, a cover-up for violating the law. Lower ranking persons would be in jail. They're all singing "SKIF, SKIF, SKIF to my Lou" hoping it blows over. Trump has washed his hands of the affair. Military families are weighing in with disgust. This ship of fools is sailing into a storm.
How many months do you suppose the media hacks will run this story?
Since discussing war plans on an unsecured app, even without a reporter, is a crime, journalists and conspiracy hacks both will run the Signalgate story into the ground. Hegseth lied that war plans weren't discussed. Waltz let a fox into the hen house. None of them noticed.
How do you define "war plans"? There were times but not locations. The operation was a success. How do you define "unsecured app". Signal is an approved app that's loaded onto every government phone.
Hillary Clinton discussed top secret information with the President through an unsecured server for 4 years. Not only was she not fired, she almost became President.
It's not 'whataboutism', it's perspective.
No, it's whataboutism. Excuses no one. Hillary abused her privileges and these bozos proved they don't know the rules and then lied. Without the cover-up it might have gone away. Now it's SignalGate. This affects trust in America intelligence by allies.
Yes fire Goldberg..That should fix things.
Let’s start with former DOD Lloyd Austin??
So for you accountability means in every error someone must be fired? Not so much as a "figure out why this happened", just fire someone, right? Ah, I get it, you're a Dem or a Never Trumper.
You're expecting a lot from another senile old man.
we dont care if Demon-crazies did something wrong, this time it's the Republicans' turn to fuck up.
Let's be different from Democrats and man up: just admit there was a mistake, that we've learned the lessons
Waltz said it was a mistake, that's the right thing to do. Hegseth needs to grow up and not try to act like a 5 year orld saying it wasnt him, ffs
The post wasn't about the politicians. Politicians of every stripe suck and always will. Even the ones I voted for.
Yes, I think admitting it's a mistake and getting to the bottom of it is a good idea. But to submit to the media's double standards and fire people over this? I don't think so. The only reason a person should be fired is if someone screwed with Waltz's phone so that goldberg would be invited into the chat. If goldberg had prior knowledge of it, he should be arrested and imprisoned.
Sorry do we have full information at this point to do what you ask?
well, at this point, they could say: ok we mistakenly included the journalist in this chat and we fucked up because we didnt double check who was in and because even if we had a "safe" list of participants, we should have met in person in a secure location to discuss these plans
You must have been on the Signal thing too, to make those bold suggestions. Perhaps there will be a time to say “we fucked up”, but remember these are Repubs — as soon as that admission is made the MSM will go to town. Why not let it unfold and if it was a fuck up, then perhaps
The problem is the double standard. The media doesn't give a damn about national security. They're out for blood, that's all.
you are probably right, and I'm too naive. This will be forgotten in a week and MSM (M for Moron, S for Stupid and M for Malevolent) will jump on some other bone to chew
You're pretty naive if you think MSM won't be flacking this story for weeks, if not months.
Waltz seemed to indicate he thought it may be sabotage and I think he may be right. Why would he say "I mistakenly included a journalist" if it wasn't his fault?
I don't believe for one second that this was some screw-up, other than the fact that Jeffrey Goldberg was included inadvertently. I don't believe that anyone accidently clicked on his name. The question should be, why is Jeffrey Goldberg included in a group (or whatever) that is at this level? Hmmm... Does the name General Milley ring a bell with anyone?
Agreed. Hard for me to believe his inclusion was accidental. Kudos to Waltz for bearing responsibility. I can't help but wonder what Goldberg would have done if this were the Biden admin.
Agree plus one. Obviously an embarrassing fuck up, but the key question is how a reporter hated by everyone in the room got added to the invite
Yes Mike, that IS the question! Like the Roe v Wade Supreme Court leak, I fear we may never find out. These people aren't dumb and great at covering their tracks, which might include technologically re-directing blame to others.
I am 50/50 on this. On one hand, what you say is true, something like this simply couldn't happen accidentally but on the other these guys are dinosaurs who can't rotate a PDF, so to speak.
That presupposes at least two things: 1) That they are technological dinosaurs (which I don't know to be true), and; 2) that they are the ones "rotating the PDF", and not some more-technologically-able staffer.
Crickets
That’s my question. WHY was Jeffrey Goldberg included in this group? HOW did that happen?
I find it really strange.
it's not the heat, it's the hypocrisy.
Not gonna happen. They had a chance for introspection after the 2016 election, a chance for magnanimity after 2020, and another chance for introspection in 2024, and in each case, after ducking and weaving for a few days, decided to just double down on what they were doing.
This puts people committed to principle, like Matt or you or me, in a terrible position. When one side has the refs on its side and cheats with impunity, sticking to principle means you lose. But, you don't want to become what you oppose--on principle. (btw, I am sure many Repubs would cheat in their own way, if they owned the media and bureaucracy as do the Dems. So people can spare me the lectures on that score.)
My answer is to fight fire with fire, because if you lose on these kind of issues (free speech, immigration as a tool to change the electorate and the culture, destroying the judicial system) you have lost forever--in an overused word, this is existential. The only way to get them to stop is to show them that they are vulnerable, as well. But doing so does mean real risks that in winning you adopt the tactics and mindsets you were opposing. Such quandaries are unavoidable as long as there are evil people in the world--part of the "human condition." Pacifism is great, until the Wehrmacht shows up.
And, yes, I did use the word "evil," and not for mere rhetorical effect. They are evil.
You make a lot of good points. I think that at this point, the only real thing keeping the democrats emboldened is how corrupt our elections have become. They would've been forced to wave the white flag by 2019 if we'd had honest elections. Corrupt elections means that even when republicans win big, we barely win. Trump should have won 369 electoral votes and republicans should have 57 senate seats. If elections had been clean the past 10 years, republicans would have 70 senate seats right now and at least an 80 seat majority in the House. I'm not exaggerating. At that point, the Emperor would have no clothes. It would be obvious to everyone how unpopular they are and the illusion that they are just one election away from taking back power would disappear.
Partisan? say it ain't so.
Yes.
Where's the fainting couch?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Fauci's wife, the "ethicist", use HAM radio for work-around comms?
You might be thinking of Nellie Ohr.
Yes! Thank you.
Why are we bombing civilians? Never mind, I know why.
Fauci wasn’t texting classified war plans you absolute joke of a sentient adult. It’s clear now there is absolutely nothing you won’t excuse. Nothing. At this point Trump could accidentally nuke Virginia and you couldn’t say “this was wrong” without dredging up some BS about Fauci from five years ago.
And of course if the nuke was a dud the party line would be “nothing even happened why is everyone making a big deal jeez!”
Cult is right.
Uh...plans to cover up the GoF research that led to the pandemic and the lockdowns based on bogus information are a whole lot worse than "war plans" the pirates couldn't do anything with even if they had.
And I'm literally working on an article about the Trump administration going after political dissidents, but tell me more about how I worship him.
Someday we'll find a cure for TDS....
You're completely projecting. The NSA said there is a 99.9% chance China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea had continuous access to Clinton's emails for 4 years.
That's not 'whataboutism', that is perspective. Comparing this recent incident to her continuous flagrant disregard for security is a massive false equivalence. You're projecting your own double standard onto others.
I have no problem being critical of what happened here, but I first need to know how goldberg was invited into the chat. Neither you nor I know that yet.
Sounds like sabotage in addition to incompetence. Has the staffer been fired?
Vetted
Interrogated
…?
My
Goldberg - a hero for journalism in his own mind. He KNEW from the looking at the other participants in the group he had no business being part of the conversation. The appropriate courses of action would have been 1) leave the group immediately; 2) notify OSD that he had been included in the group; and, 3) make himself available for a debrief on the event. But, no, the simple fact is he saw an opportunity to exploit the situation, and did so.
Because he lacks integrity and that is truly well known.
I disagree. What journalist on earth would not salivate at seeing this? At least he had the sense to not share some of the sensitive information. But a journalist behind the Russia, Russia hoax cannot be expected to remain silent he just got the scoop of his career! Let’s be honest someone really screwed up and of course the Dems will make a big deal about this. Typical MSM though in that they are more concerned about this than reporting what happened with the Houthi strike.
I wonder how Goldberg would have reacted had this been the Biden admin.
He would have kept it to himself. Forever.
My sense too. And therein lies the problem!
Well of course it would have been buried or ignored since the MSM was part of the cognitive coverup.
I won't disagree that many would think they had stumbled on a hot story, but that doesn't outweigh his duty as a citizen.
Is he really so dumb as to give up a possible endless source of info.
Just sit on his buttplug and pretend he was a genius.
Agreed
He did exactly what he was supposed to do. I'm a noted Goldberg hater, but holy shit, he did the job of journalism. It's not his job to cover up others mistakes.
Understood, but you can understand why some of us are skeptical this was an 'accidental' invite. Of all people, jeffrey goldberg? He's the perfect guy to send it to because he's very skilled at doing an artful smear job.
Are you saying some mole in the highest levels of the Administration intentionally brought Goldberg into the chat in order to damage the Trump Admin?
I'm saying it's very possible. Waltz basically said he thought he was inviting Jamieson Greer (JG) into the chat. There were many elaborate hoaxes during the 1st term, and this would be in line with those. The mistake Trump made was not to disclose exactly what was in the chats from the beginning. Goldberg did exaggerate what was in there, but he wasn't completely bluffing either. I believe his intention was to smear the administration, whether he had prior knowledge he would be invited to the chat or not (probably not so he could have plausible deniability).
Doesn’t anyone think that using a non-secure commercial app to discuss operational details of an imminent military operation isn’t just a teensy bit newsworthy? Possibly even in the public interest to be made public?
Possibly, but how do you define non-secure? They can't run to a SCIF every time they need to communicate. It's not like the attack was being planned in this chat. And I'm not convinced the leak was an 'accident'.
Signal has long been an approved secure communications app because of its end-to-end encryption.
Again no ethical moral behavior - an opportunist or a paid shill or both and more. 15 minutes of fame - Atlantic loses all credibility - protect source, disengage due to level of breach, act professionally, weigh consequences, set up by a rogue actor, now all energy spent on this diverting attention and any real consideration that WW III is on the table- the news will be playing as the first nuke hits Washington or a supersonic missile. The leaders are leading us into a world we cannot even imagine all while blasting Make America GREAT Again- we ‘re on the skids can’t you hear the death rattle amongst the saber rattling- we cannot deliver on what we threaten- less hubris, more humility is needed ASAP- new sheriff in town has used up his goodwill.
Just kiss off and go away. You got a nothing burger and you and the stupid 2024 election loser’s can’t handle it. You’re digging the hole deeper and too arrogant/stupid to know or admit it! The polls just keep going down for you lefties every time you start whining about President Trump and his administration keeping the policies he campaigned on. Once again- just go away.
Was 'The Atlantic' ever credible?
A magazine funded by an oligarch. I thought Dems hated those billionaire oligarchs?
How dumb!
Which is exactly why a leaker would have invited HIM to the chat. He/she knew how he'd respond.
Was Goldberg his own "deep throat?" Hoping the DOGE bros can weave a little magic into the ether of "other means" possibly employed by the Deep State in the age of cyber non security, if that is what this is other than the magical gift Goldberg alleges. And yes, he had no business being there, knew it but stayed to put a road block in the way of Trump & gift the floundering Dems. Wasn't giving aid to anyone but himself, certainly NOT the country or the World in the case of the destructive Houthis.
OH MY. Destructive Houthi's!
Who IS supporting Palestinians whilst you in the USA have 'blood on your hands?'
What?? Yes let’s encourage more death and destruction because you mistake Free Speech for something it is not.
Something here just doesn't smell right.
If the Trump administration were to put together a list of the 'journalists' who are the biggest scumbags and hate Trump the most ... Goldberg would probably lead the list. And by some incredible coincidence, he ended up getting the texts. (As 'coincidences' go, it's right up there with China's only high security medical lab conducting 'gain of function' research happened to be 500 yards from the wetmarket where Covid supposedly emanated from.)
Is it all that improbable to think that maybe, just maybe, someone in the national security apparatus somehow snuck Goldberg into the text conversation?
Sounds like Wong might be another Vindamin on the inside ready, willing and able to fight for the “resistance”. Bears looking into, as well as for any other deep state plants. They got “seven ways from Sunday…”
Good point there are no coincidences
Unfortunately, still too many deep state folks in the WH.
Miriam Adelson.
I agree
Even if that is true, which it very well may be, the stuff they were talking about on that chat seems to me to be something you'd be talking about on a MUCH more secure government communications tool/app. The fact that he was so easily added without anyone elses knowledge suggests it could be anyone added and not just some snobby journalist.
Seems the most likely scenario for sure.
When somebody is added to a Signal chat, all participants see a message he's been added. There is no way they were unaware of his presence. Did he join under somebody else's name and phone number? Or, maybe, he was never in the conversation, but received the content from a staffer.
Seems like a high possibility. We may never know. Government coverup is nothing new.
Gibbs Rule #39 may apply here.
Is it possible that Waltz’s staffer is a leaker? Or a plant of some sort?
That would be my immediate thought that the staffer is a leaker / resistance staffer. The deep state is in fact very deep. And with tens of thousands of them losing their jobs get ready for this being an every week occurrence going forward
How patriotic of them.
Word is going around that it was Alex Wong who added JG.
https://x.com/RiderRiderZeke/status/1904718017923014661
Any staffer who happens to have Goldberg as a phone contact should be fired.
What if the contact was planted?
Always miles ahead…..https://x.com/lauraloomer/status/1904904102917570900?s=46
Yes, an NSC staffer put together the list. Is this staffer a holdover from Biden or career staffer (most are Ds or D sympathizers, remember "The Resistance" in Trump 45?). Who is that person and did they accidentally include Goldberg or intentionally? This is just like that jerk Vindman on the Trump/Zelensky call- now his brother is a Democrat Member of Congress (imagine that, gee whiz!). The rest is just theater because it didn't lead to any harm (unlike Biden's incursion comment prior to the Ukraine invasion for example). Fix the problem, change the method of communication, limit people in the chain. Frankly, every one of the people on the chain has tremendous authority over what is classified and not. God does not classify or declassify things, nor does third party nonpartisan observer- It is ultimately the President and his appointees. If the media got the vapors any more, they would pass out...
But like with the Zelensky call, they should have just released the transcript instead of denying the contents of it. That's what made them look bad.
This is the biggest mystery here, is it not? How did Goldberg get on the chat? Who looped him in? And HTF did NO ONE notice?
And how/why is Signal the defacto app that's preloaded on govt devices, etc? Katherine Maher, of Wikimedia and NPR, chaired the Board of Signal. Which seems interesting.
Yes. I just read that today. The committee hearing LIAR OF THE YEAR trophy goes to Katherine Maher and yes, she sits on SIGNALS board. That’s just wrong.
The leak of a security meeting is secondary.
And why are we bombing Yemen?? Because they are the only country which is actively trying to put an end to the genocide of the Palestinians. Empire states they are terrorists and must die!
Who are the real terrorists here?
Could it be that's where the Houthi's are?
From ChatGPT:
"European ships are still navigating through the Red Sea shipping lanes, despite the challenges posed by Houthi rebel attacks. However, the frequency of these transits has significantly decreased due to security concerns. It's reported that approximately 60% of EU-affiliated vessels have opted to reroute around Africa instead of transiting the Red Sea, adding considerable time and cost to their journeys.
In response to the Houthi threats, the European Union launched Operation Aspides in February 2024, a defensive naval mission aimed at protecting commercial shipping in the Red Sea. This operation involves multiple EU member states and focuses on escorting vessels and enhancing maritime security in the region.
euronews
Despite these protective measures, the ongoing attacks have led to a substantial reduction in Red Sea traffic, with reports indicating a 75% decrease. This disruption has had a notable impact on global trade, leading to increased transit times and costs.
In summary, while some European ships continue to traverse the Red Sea under the protection of EU naval operations, a significant portion have chosen alternative routes to mitigate the risks associated with Houthi attacks."
Yes it is-- or did some intelligence op set this up
You know, I hate to think like that, I don’t want to defend stupidity, but what if one of the numbers on the chat was made to go to Goldberg without anyone being the wiser.
This information should have been discussed on unsecured channels, but what has happened in our Country in the last 20 years makes my head spin.
Meant to say secure channel
I wonder if it could have been someone in the Signal Chat organization?
Katherine Maher, formerly CEO of Wikimedia, currently CEO of NPR, and also appearing before Congress currently, Chaired the Board of Signal, Inc.
Interesting.
C’mon Guys! Jeffrey Mark Goldberg… of “The Atlantic”… is “mistakenly”… invited onto a conversation involving high level security discussions…. There’s no mistake. He’s a midget of a man who will instantly turn on our country and blab to the world. That’s why they used him to make sure the Europeans knew how the US now views them.
Let me see if I've got this straight - they deliberately invited a much-reviled journalist into a group chat which clearly contains sensitive info in the hopes that he would publish an article that makes them all look like completely incompetent asshats, with the motive being that in this way they could let Europe know the administration is upset with them. Have I got that right?
Do you realize how laughably stupid that sounds?
Yes, you have that right. The moment you admitted to the “much-reviled journalist” - of ALL the journalists possible - you made my point. Thank you! Thank you very much!
Interesting that the media, which sees conspiracy everywhere on the right, can't fathom it here.
They see what they want to see. They're all trained monkeys.
This has been my contention from the start.
This is staged. Mission Accomplished.
I think the Europeans already knew lol
Yeah, I don't think so. This was an embarrassing mistake, or something more nefarious.
Which? lol
Are we sure that inadvertent applies here?
Good question- propaganda or only way these players can push back against Trump - who does this serve? and why? or is it just a diversion - look here while we do evil there. Loony tune time in US all day every day with crazed leaders at the helm, no diplomatic experience, no seasoned participants, no interfacing with alternate advisers with a broad perspective achieved over years of experience- the Wild West mentality prevails- what could go wrong?
Wild West isn't necessarily a bad thing.
signalgate certainly serves to deflect attention away from the illegal (not approved by congress) war on yemen and the houthi success in closing the red sea to maritime traffic.
Thanks for the timeline without the editorial. How refreshing to let me think for myself. It will be very interesting to see how this happened. I hear a fox in the hen house.
Yup. Love getting the facts laid out clearly without a ton of spin.
I smell a rat, actually rats everywhere in the USG.
I too wonder if this was inadvertent or if they let him in deliberately to signal to Europe they are tired of bailing them out. Coffee and Covid made a strong argument for this the other day. Also it could be a leak. How else would Goldberg be invited? Sometimes I think Trump plays the media and they are clueless. This takes attention off the deportation flight controversy.
Thank you for this timeline, so we can decide for ourselves. Videos no longer seem to work on this platform.
Diplomacy does not use leaks - these amateurs are dangerous to our welfare and future.
Once again. Just go away!
I really think people are trying to find some sense in this way too much when it's much more likely, and makes more sense, that this is a big mistake, or worse.
Except of all people, it was leaked to jeffrey goldberg. That's what makes people wonder...
You're giving them waaay too much credit.
Who was running the autopen for four f-ing years? Anyone in the media concerned about this? How about the framing of a sitting POTUS as a Russian spy by the FBI and DOJ? Anyone interested in looking into this? Anyone held accountable?
Oh, oh, oh....WHATABOUTISM!
Is all they can say.
No, it's called perspective. It's called calling out hypocrisy, selective outrage, blatant double standards.
They don't give a damn about national security or fairness, all they want is blood.
And too many weak republicans and wishy washy independents who are obsessed with proving to themselves that they are above partisanship fall victim to the sensationalist reporting and predictably fall into a reactionary state over this...
I'm sick of it.
In perfect world someone would be fired.
In the world we live in, Dims demand no accountibility from their side.
Let’s review some Democrat senior leader accountability fails.
- Hillary’s server with 30,000 emails, destroyed when it was under subpoena.
- Joe Biden’s garage SCIF.
- Diane Feinstein‘s red Chinese agent driver, and Eric Swalwell‘s gal pal Fang Fang.
- Mark Milley calling up the Chinese to chat with them about American plans and to offer assistance to thwart his commander-in-chief.
None of them were held accountable. And speaking of accountability what’s the name of the guy who got fired over the Afghanistan disaster?
So fuck'em. Give them nothing.
No, fire Waltz, he's just going to get us in more wars as it is. Don't fire him because the Dems want blood. Fire him because this bombing was dumb, this was embarrassing to say the least, and because his foreign policy sucks.
Okay Glenn Greenwald. I wouldn't say the bombing was dumb, it seemed to be fairly effective. I know, "the jews, the jews!"
From ChatGPT:
"European ships are still navigating through the Red Sea shipping lanes, despite the challenges posed by Houthi rebel attacks. However, the frequency of these transits has significantly decreased due to security concerns. It's reported that approximately 60% of EU-affiliated vessels have opted to reroute around Africa instead of transiting the Red Sea, adding considerable time and cost to their journeys.
In response to the Houthi threats, the European Union launched Operation Aspides in February 2024, a defensive naval mission aimed at protecting commercial shipping in the Red Sea. This operation involves multiple EU member states and focuses on escorting vessels and enhancing maritime security in the region.
euronews
Despite these protective measures, the ongoing attacks have led to a substantial reduction in Red Sea traffic, with reports indicating a 75% decrease. This disruption has had a notable impact on global trade, leading to increased transit times and costs.
In summary, while some European ships continue to traverse the Red Sea under the protection of EU naval operations, a significant portion have chosen alternative routes to mitigate the risks associated with Houthi attacks."
No, in a perfect world the main concern would shift toward the evils of non-stop war and bombing.
Exactly. Not playing their game. Not submitting to their sick double standard. 100% agree.
Republicans should just shrug their shoulders and ask, "Who cares?" It's a strategy that has been quite successful with the Democrats and their fake news cohorts.
So ragtag band of illiterate barbarians all but shut down commercial shipping through the Straight of Hormuz in a country with a GDP smaller than many US cities and counties. They repeatedly attack U.S. Navy ships using Iranian supplied missiles and drones from 2023 until the end of the Biden administration in 2025.
Two months into the Trump administration the Houthis get their asses handed to them by our military.
And which of these two scenarios reflects a disgraceful level of incompetence and triggers calls for a congressional investigation?
Well said! My hope is with his reelection folks have finally caught on to this foolishness. If Republicans don't fight back they might as well call it a day.
Just ignore them. What the H are they going to do? WHINE to the leftist media!
Yes, it's all upside down. This is desperate straw grabbing, to say the least. Maybe it was done intentionally by the administration to give these mongrels something to naw on for a while...who knows?
Or fire Waltz because he's going to keep pushing for war with Iran and because this was embarrassing and really dumb. This bombing was as far from America First as it came.
Not necessarily. If the justification was to protect the Red Sea shipping lanes, then that does impact US trade and commerce.
I know. They should just say they were following Hillary, Feinstein, Swallwell, Biden's example on how to be great statesmen.
Heh, heh. You're right.
Well, it's not ideal. They need to get to the bottom of this. But I can tell you that my phone and computer have exchanged names and phone numbers, email addresses, both. Two of my friends. Tom Wietor is now Tom Rosich and same phone number. I didn't bother to change his name. And my friend carol Carr is now Carol Bardenstein, same phone no. They were other people on my contact list I do not talk to anymore. That would mean he had to be on someone's contact list or at least he emailed someone there for it to happen like above. I am not happy about Signal as a communication platform, but apparently, it's been used a lot by Biden and CIA.
I guess I'm not happy and it needs to be fixed. Not sure if someone needs to be fired. But I can tell you, I feel a lot better than it was a mistake and not something purposeful like Hillary's email server, Bengazi, and Afghanistan withdrawal. It's not as bad as that because people weren't killed and it wasn't on purpose.
But something needs to change there.
The issue seems to be that somebody loaded those contacts into his phone.
https://x.com/RiderRiderZeke/status/1904718017923014661
And, that Goldberg didn't back out immediately.
I'm torn because personally I'm not saying a word, either. The job of a journalist is to hold powerful people accountable - the problem is that JG probably doesn't even qualify as a journalist and is more of a standard presstitute.
"The job of a journalist is to SELECTIVELY hold CERTAIN powerful people accountable--"
FIFY.
Yes, something has to be fixed. I am sure people can hack into his phone, not necessarily HIM, but somebody who thought he'd be the one to add. Not sure how they fix this. Elon should be able to fix it. But it's not the disaster they want to make it. They needed something, for sure. But I know for a fact that names/phone numbers change on their own. Happened to me twice. I thought it was kinda funny. Not so much in this case.
Why do you trust “rider” on twitter has some knowledge we don’t?
I don’t see where in this communication waltz is saying the contacts were added by someone else. I wouldnt jump to conclusion yet even though we all wanna know.
Oops that's the wrong link, it must have stuck on my clipboard from another comment. This is Waltz saying he doesn't know how Goldberg got onto his contact list:
https://x.com/Unfilteredboss1/status/1904679255809941897
That’s a link to waltz probably lying
There is a lesson here for everyone in Congress, though I'm 100% sure it won't be taken. When you are in charge, you have to do to your own people what you will demand for the others. For instance, if you get 13 American soldiers killed while leaving equipment and turning over a government to your enemies, you should fire people if you plan to ask the other side to fire people for something much less controversial. I know it's hard to understand, but playing outrage theater only works if you are outraged no matter whose team it is.
It's selective outrage. And let's be honest, this incident nowhere even close to the incompetence and corruption of the last two democrat administrations so it's a false equivalence. If this really was a screw up and not sabotage, I want it fixed. Am I going to demand any of the principals be fired over it? Absolutely not.
Agreed
“ playing outrage theater “
LOL love it. Exactly what the lefties do. And the stupid people fall in line with their sheep dog.
Goldberg’s phone number was loaded into a senior officer’s contact information. The name of the senior officer appeared on the list of participants not Goldberg’s name. That senior officer was therefore not included. None of the participants in the text chat would know that Goldberg was included instead of the senior officer. The important question to be answered is how did Goldberg’s phone number get entered in someone else’s contact, and was it on purpose? I wonder if it might have been migrated from the previous administration. It does not seem like something that could be an honest mistake.
That is a very important detail.
Yeah, and unfortunately I feel like we're never going to get the answer. How many investigations of leaking did Sessions being in 2017? Did they ever find a single one? Maybe they did, but we never heard about them. Instead, all we got was the cover-up artist John Durham.
Sounds like you need to take attendance on these calls. That would have brought Goldberg out in the light.
Exactly. If his name was entered in place of someone else, who was that "someone else"?
My information comes from National Security Advisor Michael Waltz in an interview. He did not divulge which invited participant’s contact information contained Goldberg’s phone number. He also did not say who was responsible, nor did he say how the phone number was incorrectly entered. It seems to me this is highly unlikely to be inadvertent. I hope the administration shares findings from any investigations conducted about this.
Or this "accidentally included in a Signal chat" was a fairy tale. He was never on Signal but somebody who had access to the senior officer's phone leaked the content to him.
Depends on how it was done, if you're multitasking and looking back and forth between phones and punch in the wrong phone number for the wrong person - yeah I could see that happening and it being an honest mistake. It's a huge mistake and that person should definitely be fired, but I can see how it happened.
Of all the people "mistakenly" included on a group chat, it's Jeffrey Goldberg? This smells fishy.
Agreed.
This "scandal" is the Left's new January 6th. And, as with January 6th, nobody cares.
Was it a mistake? Sure. Could it have turned out very badly? Possibly. We'll never know. Thank God everything went smoothly. Bullet dodged, as it were. Lessons learned. It may turn out to be a good thing that the administration has been brought up sharp and put on the alert relatively painlessly. It had to happen sometime. Now it's done, and at relatively little cost.
But it certainly is hard to miss the MSM's and the Left's sheer glee over it. Finally something bad to talk about! All this rooting out waste, fraud, and abuse and all this deporting of criminal gangs and all this rescuing of stranded astronauts was starting to get the Left down, man!
Maybe more mistakes will be made, and maybe people will actually be hurt or killed next time! Maybe the stock market will crash and there will be a recession! Maybe prices will stay high and wages low! Maybe unemployment will go up! Maybe there will not be peace in Europe and the Middle East!
Ah, the Left can live in hope. ;-)
That pretty much sums it up lol. It's sad, funny, and sick all at the same time!