If I can’t deploy service members with diabetes because I can’t guarantee insulin to them, how the hell am I supposed to guarantee hormones? They’re nondeployable…therefore not fit for winning our nation’s wars.
Sleep apnea is not a disqualifying condition if you are already in the service. Not having one is life threatening.
There are a lot of things that will disqualify you at MEPS that doesn't stop you from re-enlisting. HBP would keep you from enlisting, you can continue to serve if it develops with you are still in.
Thanks, it’s been over 10 years but when I was in, Obstructive Sleep Apnea that required a CPAP machine could make you non-deployable. I participated in at least two boards (MEB/MRB) to review deployability for individuals with sleep apnea and other conditions.
My brother died at 65 from a brain hemorrhage. Doc had recently put him on Xarelto. He lived with me at the time. My two younger brothers were lucky the last draft notice passed them by. My brother-in-law was not that lucky. He enlisted at 18, went to Nam, walked point, hit with shrapnel, came home, and committed suicide at 27.
People with disqualifying depression or anxiety cannot serve. If an individual member presents symptoms of such, he is terminated on a case by case basis.
Transgender people cannot serve. If an individual member presents symptoms of such, he is terminated on a case by case basis.
I've got it, the perfect solution. Put them all in the same unit, and they can be part of the "protest brigade". We'll send them around the world to our enemies, capitals. And they can scream and yell on their sidewalks out in front. They are extremely good at that.
This is why I love America. We're such grand deep thinkers & people of action. Matter of fact, let's get all the victims groups together and form their own separate service branch. Nobody would want to touch us on the battlefield. We need a good catchy name for this branch. Come on people help me out here?
It seems to me that the cohesion of the platoon in combat is the only truly important metric in the entire issue.
I think that the psychological issues involved in transitioning to and hormonally maintaining a transgender status would be neither useful nor appropriate in the intensely high-keyed, macho world of 30 line soldiers or Marines in combat.
This is a misguided attempt to foist cutting-edge culture issues on an institution that depends on long-established military tradition for its effectiveness.
In combat, diversity does not equal strength; cohesion does.
For every one person actually fighting there are nine other people in support positions. Diabetes should be no issue. During Vietnam, a police action not a war, McNamara's Morons made up the bulk of the fighting troops. Very little was disqualifying and certainly not being other than heterosexual in one's proclivities. If you support my ability to fight I don't care who, or what, your interests include.
McNamara's "Project 100,000" personnel--cruelly referred to as "McNamara's Morons"--were soldiers who scored in Mental Category IV on the AFQT. Before 1966, a soldier had to be in Mental Category III or above in order to serve.
As a historian and Vietnam combat Vet, I can vouch for the fact that Cat IVs did not make up the "bulk" of our warfighters in the combat arms.
Not my experience as a civilian combat artist in Iraq and Afghanistan. Soldiers have to be able to bond as a unit; there’s no room for psychological weakness or narcissistic personalities in war-time.
While some trans people may be psychologically healthy, a whole-army policy would invariably bring in many unbalanced individuals.
This is progressive politics butting in to places it doesn’t belong.
Transgender"ism" is just one instance of the capture and distortion of all topics of serious social, political and financial concern vital to the citizens of the American Republic by, generally speaking, the propagandist surveillance state bureaucratic MSM, minions of the misandrist feminist Marxist ("woke") DEI and the Davos/CCP NGO wielding billionaire oligarchy. The point (my opinion) is chaos and prevention of the healthy truth/fact based solutions oriented conversation that would create a stable truth/fact based human American reality. The perps don't give a f'k. It's for all practical purposes a psyop. The RACKET effort to "timeline" factual reality and remove manipulation and knee jerk hysteria is affirmation of how powerful truth/fact based journalism can be.
I hoped for an even handed approach to our Republics problems but after six decades of extreme social engineering, financial high jinks and Marxist iconoclasm I don't see how any President could avoid appearing extreme in confronting the disease. And it is a disease. There is no question that many so called gay or transgendered people could serve the military with honor and dignity but, like our Republics national conversation, the point is chaos and subversion. The real "war" is on the American psyche and the creation of a state of manipulatable psychic/spiritual anomie where "everything means everything and nothing means anything". The walking wounded are everywhere. American infrastructure, her social institutions and economy aren't in collapse by accident. (A million dollar classroom that can't teach a child to read but instills him with self-hatred while destroying his culture and history?) Again: ANOMIE.
Behind the psyop the theft of labor, pension funds and
natural resources feed numbered accounts and builds bunkers for political grifters and the vicious billionaire cliques perping the grift.
We the People are the last free people standing. There is the Republic, the Constitution and the free citizen. Everything else is psyop.
Shipboard enlisted berthings do not afford much privacy. What are we to tell the female sailors if they don't care to bunk with someone who hasn't had "her" plumbing changed?
That's cute, you're acting like the rights of people with uteruses matter in these things. We're all equal, it's just that some groups are more equal than others.
Fighter pilots are "loners." The problems stem from units in which members serve in close proximity to others such as rifle squads and artillery gun and armor tank crews.
The lack of privacy and tensions that arise when members of the team can't "pull their weight" are a deterrent to cohesion and readiness.
Thirty year Army veteran here. I can assure you that not a single solitary military commander in the history of the world has ever thought, “having transgender soldiers on my roster is going to improve my unit’s readiness.” These are always going to be problems that drain attention away from what is actually important. Some dude wanting to be a chick should do so on his own time, not the military’s. Sorry to be a “bigot,” I guess. But it’s absolutely the truth.
Some dude wanting to be a chick should do it on his own time, in a private, consenting, adults-only situation. No one has the right to deceive the public about what sex they are, whether entering the military or entering a female-only space like a barracks or a public bathroom.
And that is the final conclusion that will be reached on all the current trans nonsense: you do not have the right to fraudulently impersonate the opposite sex out in public. Human society runs on a shared, objective reality. A sex based reality. The mentally ill cannot be give the privilege to flout that and create chaos for the majority.
Explain what? "Emily" is a man who decided to "identify" as a woman. He learned to fly an aircraft as a man. He sort of became a poster boy for the Biden administration, I suppose. If your point is that you can fly an aircraft through mental illness, then I guess you've made it.
Deployability is still the main issue. O-5s often get their own staterooms on the boat which would obviate some concerns, but continuous hormone treatment probably can't be guaranteed at sea.
Language changes but biology doesn't. Genes are pesky things. If your "competent" psychiatrist confirmed you are correct about your delusions, he is participating in what is referred to in psychiatry as a "folie a deux". You should probably get a new psychiatrist and so should he.
Affirming the delusion that a man is actually a woman is just as dumb as affirming the delusion of an anorexic that she really does need to take off a few more pounds, so she should fast for another day or two.
Excellent point. I had an eating disorder as a young woman. It’s is a mental disorder that was also expressed in a negative way in other areas of my life—not just my body.
Sorry. Gender = sex. You can't change the language just to fit your your delusion. Recent corruption of the language and definitions to fit people's delusions does not change the reality that there are only 2 sexes and 2 genders and they are equivalent terms. Reality is a bitch. Sorry, hope you still find me charming.
Well I'm going to be a little more charming. I practiced medicine for over 50 years. If you believe that you are something that you are not, you are delusional. Delusions are a psychiatric condition. Have you been evaluated by a competent psychiatrist?
Sorry you have gender dysphoria, but your sex and gender are what you were born with and can't be changed. You can identify as whatever you like, good for you! I'm sure you get a lot of attention.
I have indeed been evaluated by a competent psychiatrist! Do you realize that sometimes what's between someone's ears doesn't match what's between their legs? Do you realize that gender expression is a social construct? Do you realize that transgender people have existed as long as civilization has? Western history and literature are littered with examples.
The issue of 'not matching' in btwn your ears does not define, nor 'make' anyone, trans. This is a term that has no meaning. And no...trans ppl have NOT existed throughout history, as there is no such thing. We have to discuss this issue honestly, starting with acknowledgement that the current iteration of 'trans' is not an actual thing; and that it is being used as a proxy to engage in a political, cultural, and philosophical assault on Reality.
I think literature and history are “littered” with very small examples of people wanting to be what they are not and refusing to accept what they are. that does not mean the rest of the world has to accept a delusion
To encourage confused and often autistic children (12 yo) and get them on lifelong harmful drugs so that their first year of college needs to be navigated using a cane and expose them to a cadre of frankly sociopathic therapists is evil. Ask me how I know. Adults can do as they please, but maybe only sit behind a desk in the armed services
Pro tip. If you're reiterating what you think an obvious assertion, say that literature is littered with examples of "X", then provide a well-known example.
Left-wing imbeciles always think that the reason people disagree with them is that we haven't heard their propaganda before, and all they should need to do is recite their delusional talking points at us and we'll be convinced to align with them.
You’ve already been demolished by cogent points. Your delusions are harmful to more than yourself, and it is a function of civilization to marginalize you for the public good.
Sorry. Gender = sex. You can't change the language just to fit your your delusion. Recent corruption of the language and definitions to fit people's delusions does not change the reality that there are only 2 sexes and 2 genders and they are equivalent terms. Reality is a bitch. Sorry, hope you still find me charming.
Do you realize that language evolves over time? Just look at the history of the English language. Words are not static. Meanings and usage change. Try consulting the Oxford English Dictionary.
Language does not change the fact that if you have a dick you’re a dude if you have a vag (and not some surgically created taco) you’re a chick. If you can carry a baby in vitro you’re a woman. Dressing opposite or even trying desperately to recreate oneself as the opposite sex with use of hormones and surgery cannot and will not actually change the biological sex of the human. Sorry. It’s just science 🤷♀️
Actually Mike's flat out wrong. The most simple observation is that there actually are hermaphrodites (I'm ignoring a number of other borderline cases here to keep things simple).
yes, but they've probably done so without constantly drawing attention to themselves - once people start requiring the military to provide for 'gender affirming' care and time off and asking people to 'celebrate them', etc., this is what happens - pushback.
I don't care if you want to get your dick chopped-off at your own expense, but that is not the way it works, or even close. Whether in the military or civilian healthcare system, we are effectively on the same health care system now. We all paid so you can chop your dick off (or sew one on). That is disgusting. I once met the voice coach for Washington State employees who were getting "gender-affirming" care. She was the one who taught men to speak like women..... at tax-payer expense.... and I am sure that only adds up to about 1% of the total cost. This is a free country, so you should be allowed to wear lipstick and put on a dress if you want. Now you owe us all a refund. You should be DOGE'd.
I don't care if tranny's have existed since the dawn of time. What does that even mean? Is that your defense? Did the cave man chop his dick off at the taxpayers' expense? I hope I am not paying for your lipstick and dresses too. The males of all species know who the females are. It's not you.
OK, now define the word, sex. As the phrase "traits typically" can also translate into the word, stereotypes. It appears the word, gender cannot be defined, unless you can also define the word, sex.
Merriam-Webster defines transgender as of, relating to, or being a person whose gender identity differs from the sex the person was identified as having at birth. I fit that definition.
According to the DSM-5 (which is as ideologically captured as all the other religious texts), trans people are not delusional. They know they are not actually the opposite sex (even though they demand we say they are). It’s, mostly, a fetish.
I’m so bored with this nonsense. No human being in the entire history of humanity has ever changed gender, by which the proponents of this rubbish mean biological sex. The fact that in my homeland, Britain, it took a Supreme Court decision to confirm the blindingly bloody obvious that XX is female and XY is male which has now caused the need for bloody great big chunks of policy to be rewritten so that women can be treated as women rather than being invaded by men masquerading as women. It’s no wonder that other nations which are not as liberal or demented as us have been passing legislation to prevent this insanity from infecting their populace. In what abhorrent culture is it perfectly OK to excise the perfectly healthy breasts and, sometimes, the perfectly healthy uterus of a young woman despite the fact that the victim exhibits no physical symptoms of an illness and then call that treatment; the same applies to excising the perfectly healthy testes
Fidnt finish, the perfectly healthy testes of young men and boys. In any normal society those medical professions carrying out these brutal mutilations would be prosecuted for, among other things, performing unnecessary surgery. This is not gender affirming, it’s the exact opposite.
This society is going to destroy itself by trying to impose it’s will on nature. It has learned nothing. From individuals who are unable to live harmoniously within their bodies( ie your home on this earth) and instead of addressing this imbalance within themselves, attempt to dominate nature itself, even if it means destroying yourself in the process. Much like celebrities destroy themselves with plastic surgery to “control” the natural phenomenon of aging. Now we have the same but worse (it affects every living being), the attempts to dominate nature by dimming the sun. Lol and not lol. I imagine what was once understood by 1st grade is now esoteric knowledge: “You can’t fool Mother Nature”. I feel for the powerless in all of this: all the nonverbal life forms that do know how to live harmoniously within nature yet will (and do) suffer because of who can’t. This is why Buddhists call this place “Samsara”. Will run rampant, driven by individual desire generates suffering after suffering, where there is no escape. At least not in this place. But within. We have to liberate ourselves from our own unchecked desire and self grasping to find peace.
"Will run rampant, driven by individual desire generates suffering after suffering, where there is no escape. At least not in this place. But within. We have to liberate ourselves from our own unchecked desire and self grasping to find peace."
+1! Hopefully humanity will awaken to and embrace that some day.
It is true that a lot of transgender people struggle with mental illness. Being part of a vulnerable, marginalized community that is constantly demonized by very loud and powerful voices proclaiming that we're sub-human does take its toll after a while.
I’m a 68 year old woman who began a career on Wall Street in the 70s. Women were assistants. I kept my head down , worked hard , didn’t have to have months of pride celebrations, didn’t need to have people call me proper pronouns. I minded my business and did my job and worked my way up. Trans people can too. But you do crusade
If how you "identify" is a subjective interpretation of yourself and not what you objectively and materially are, asking society to affirm that identity is asking society to affirm a lie. That lie is harmful, dangerous and disruptive for everyone, including the trans identified. It cannot be accommodated. Human society has been and always will be ordered by sex. Sex cannot be changed. The trans identified are asking for special privileges, not equal treatment. Those privileges simply cannot be given. The wants of the trans identified conflicts with the needs of the majority, and we've already learned that without objective, sex based boundaries, chaos and real harm ensues.
Trans persons being "vulnerable, marginalized, demonized, etc. sounds like the perfect fit for a job that requires selfless dedication and bravery. I'll fight for your right to live the way you choose, but not to distract and possibly endanger the fighting men and women's military missions..
Trans people have served and are currently are serving in the military. I have yet to hear of any situation where they have distracted and endangered other troops. Have you?
I have. I have also read all your comments in this thread. They paint a picture of a person committed to fighting for a 'cause', not a person committed to fighting for what being a soldier means. If a trans military person makes my son's deployment any more stressful or dangerous, I won't support them being there.
To be clear, I absolutely do not condone hating, or otherwise degrading transgenders. It is usually a sign that they experienced severe trauma as a child. They need to be treated with understanding and therapy. Enabling their delusion, however is not helpful to them or the rest of society.
There has always been a segment of humanity that does not psychologically fit within the standard gender paradigm, which is a social construct. I'm trans, and I did not experience severe childhood trauma. However, trying to be something that I was not for most of my life--that is, male--was quite literally killing me. Once I understood that I was trans and not alone in how I felt, I stopped hating myself so much.
There will always be a small segment of the population that responds differently to mental or physical stress. I respectfully don't agree that it is not a form of mental illness, especially if you want to alter your body physically or chemically. We all have varying degrees of things we don't like about ourselves. Irreversible treatments are not the answer. People with body dismorphia will sometimes insist that they will not be happy unless they have an appendage removed, like an arm or leg. We correctly recognize these people as delusional and hopefully try to help them understand what they are trying to do is destructive. We also know that the vast majority of those who undergo sexual transitions find themselves unfulfilled afterwards.
If you are a functioning adult and otherwise have no obvious negative effect on me or society, I will have no issue with you and will treat you with respect. I sincerely wish you happiness. That doesn't mean you are fit for the military. Being a well functioning large military means that everybody needs to be pretty similar in size, strength, and health. You will get rejected if you have flat feet, are too short or too tall, low iq, too fat. Being different from the norm is a a risk of distraction. It's not "fair" but fair doesn't win wars.
Y'all just want to live your lives and be left alone -- except that you never stop screaming about how precious you are, and how we need to tolerate your presence everywhere -- regardless of the threat you pose to real women, and the stupidity of having you in the military.
We are saying that trans individuals do not belong in the military.
Your zealous efforts to characterize disagreement as "hate" is all the more reason why you should not be in the military.
You're way too emotional.
We see this same dramatic tendency in trans women all over the Internet, where any resistance to their invasion of women's sports and women's spaces is greeted with hysterical cries that opponents are "pushing violence" on the trans community.
Disagreements are not "hate," and pointing out biological facts is not "pushing violence."
No taxpayer funding should go to facilitate sex change surgeries. Women aren't even allowed to have their breasts reconstructed after breast cancer in many cases. This is a cosmetic procedure. I can't believe we are here. In insane world. Most transgender people I've personally dealth with are extremely aggressive men. Not all. But my personal experience is that they are mentally ill.
This stuff wasn’t on anyone’s radar in 2015 when the Obama administration quietly dropped into into the military. All us normies were commuting to work, coming home tired, and tending to our families. Next thing we know our kids are being led into the school library for drag queen story hour. Now it’s become institutionalized, normalized by entertainment media, and it’s taking all kinds of energy to course correct. And we’ve even had several dark years where normies were getting fired from their jobs for “incorrect” usage of pronouns.
Just completely insane that you can't go about your life in this country without assigning at least one person per family to keep up with everything, which is a 14 hour a day job. Believe me, I am assigned. I wish I never had to read another story in my life but look what happens. So sickening.
Never forget: Pritzker Big Pharma money put Obama in the White House and he returned the favor by putting radical gender identity ideology into federal policy.
as someone that was removed from the military for depression and other issues, i can confidently say (having not yet read this article, but thought about this topic deeply), there is no place for this issue in the military
We are very far removed from what war could be. Isolated, far from front lines with little or no support. Lack of sleep, lack of food, lack of medicines. People dying all around you just from the environment. The last thing you need is people who require extra support just to function. Support that may never get there. Would the lack of hormone treatments result in a psychotic break? If it is supposedly "needed", it would seem that would indeed be the case. In our recent wars, there have been McDonalds in the actual theater of battle. This works when you are fighting vastly inferior forces. What happens in a world war against a peer opponent? Is that when you cull those who cannot function out?
I get it that in a global war, even on the home front, people contribute. Every little bit counts. But that doesn't make sense in theater where there are no ADA accommodations. You never know what the next battlefield will look like. On a simpler note, if a person is non-deployable, they hold a billet in a non-deployable space. What we in the Navy called "shore duty". Deployable sailors get billets of "shore duty" as a respite from being constantly at sea. If those billets are full, there is no respite for the war fighters. I was in the Navy when they first brought women onboard support ships. I was on one of those and our first cruise was like an episode of The Love Boat. For another 18 years, I did some active and reserve duty before retiring. During several of my 2 weeks of active reserve duty, I noticed practically the entire staff in the personnel dept on base were pregnant women. Pregnant women are not very deployable..., but it is one of those things (FYI Justice Jackson) that happens to women sometimes.
The military is a war fighting machine. It doesn't need to be a place where every social experiment is carried out, and everyone gets a trophy. They can do that in the State Dept. Otherwise, why not have child soldiers? I hear their tiny fingers are good for cleaning the barrels of rifles. We could try that for a decade or two to perform a study before making any hasty conclusions....
"The military is a war fighting machine. It doesn't need to be a place where every social experiment is carried out, and everyone gets a trophy." End of discussion! There are many other ways to serve one's country outside of the military, but some must have it THEIR way - the antithesis of military participation.
This isn’t about sex or even about being transgender. It’s about power. People with gender dysphoria are being used by postmodern semanticists to make the same point O’Brien did to poor Winston in 1984. “I tell you Winston, reality exists in the human mind, and nowhere else.” Power is being able to make someone agree with or go along with something they don’t actually believe, initially out of fear or a desire to be agreeable. But do it long enough and it becomes true belief which then becomes inseparable from reality. O’Brien continues; “Not in the individual mind, which can make mistakes, and in any case soon perishes: only in the mind of the Party, which is collective and immortal. Whatever the Party holds to be the truth, is truth. It is impossible to see reality except by looking through the eyes of the Party.” This is why support for transgenderism is a left-wing cause that so many on the left ore willing to go to the mat for. If they succeed here they will be in a position to start to dictate reality to the rest of us - and we’ll accept it, just as Winston Smith eventually did. “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
this is going on now recall the commercials about the drag queen in and out of uniform, recruiting for the military? that was creepy. if a person wants to be trans it seems that is their end game, so go do it on your own time, not in the military, and dont expect universal or monetary support. This is a personal choice and all the associated costs belong to "the chooser"..
If they manage to stay for retirement taxes will pay for their medical care for life and that seems like an expensive proposition. What if they have an operation that doesn't work out? That could lead to life-long Veterans Disability. How will they be deployable with all the medications they require?
Retired USN chief and female. What if my truth (my "identity") is I'm really Salma Hayek but I was born in the wrong body. I walk into a recruiter's office or I'm already in the service and go the chain-of-command and tell them I need to live my truth. I need surgery and skin treatment to match my inner truth. I also need custom uniforms to fit my true body once all the surgical treatment is complete. I also need hair transplants to match the hair volume of my inner Salma, and only then I can get back to full duty. We can easily end this stupidity by prohibiting makeup and jewelry and getting rid of uniform skirts and have all wear the same uniforms. Shilling is apparently a skilled pilot but has a psychiatric problem. Talbot comparing having elective cosmetic surgery and taking cross-sex hormones to other service members that take aspirin, motrin, skin cream or whatever while already in the service is narcissistic justification. She did not come across well.
Also, hormones are mood altering and body altering drugs. Using wrong-sex hormones atrophy sexed organs causing health issues. A belief that demands constant drug use, surgeries and compelled "affirmation" should not be allowed ... anywhere, really.
Good to hear Chief! When I joined the USN in 1975, I had to swear and check the box I was NOT a Homosexual. Please keep talking TRANSGENDER and trying to show this as Normal behavior instead of the mental illness it is. The Democratic Party is SICKO and HATES America USN 6. yrs FTM1
It’s simply unbelievable we are wasting all this time and effort on this bullshit. If you are crazy and desire this surgery do it in your own on your dime.
I have an idea. We’ll end this nonsense right now by reinstitution of the draft. Everyone, male , female and confused get to be in the Army for one year, no exclusion, no exemption. All have basic training in the infantry. Same uniforms, same haircuts same discipline and same physical fitness requirements. Total equality. If they make the year and want to make a career we might have a soldier. Otherwise we bid them a fond farewell.
I wonder about the dueling lawsuits. Could be a lot of fun.
BTW mandatory military service is not a rare idea in much of the world.
After the left is done marching and complaining about the draft they could all at least learn to march and do leftist Jody calls.
66 have manditory service. Israel is the most and longest. 16 are like us, when needed. The rest are no. It’s interesting to see who is who. Nice graphic on google.
Always loved Klinger but he never claimed to be a woman, just a section 8. He was denied based on Catch 22 logic; if you don’t want to be here it doesn’t mean you’re crazy, but the opposite. Never understood why gender dysphoria would not qualify as a mental disorder which would be disqualifying.
I’ve been over there and seen the obvious women in service. They don’t have shaved heads. They have updos and long nails, carrying Uzi’s. I think there should be mandatory service for everyone in the US.
If I can’t deploy service members with diabetes because I can’t guarantee insulin to them, how the hell am I supposed to guarantee hormones? They’re nondeployable…therefore not fit for winning our nation’s wars.
You can't serve if you have depression or anxiety either.
Or have sleep apnea and need a CPAP machine.
Sleep apnea is not a disqualifying condition if you are already in the service. Not having one is life threatening.
There are a lot of things that will disqualify you at MEPS that doesn't stop you from re-enlisting. HBP would keep you from enlisting, you can continue to serve if it develops with you are still in.
Thanks, it’s been over 10 years but when I was in, Obstructive Sleep Apnea that required a CPAP machine could make you non-deployable. I participated in at least two boards (MEB/MRB) to review deployability for individuals with sleep apnea and other conditions.
Or ADD…
How is ability to serve determined with regard to depression or anxiety? Is that a case-by-case evaluation?
Towards the end of Vietnam’s war, my middle brother was drafted and released because he had flat feet
My oldest brother was drafted in 1969 and released because of high blood pressure.
Is he still with you? I just lost mine last month. 79 but battled agent orange causing COPD and also cancer. He never really recovered from that war.
This was my older brother he was drafted.
My brother died at 65 from a brain hemorrhage. Doc had recently put him on Xarelto. He lived with me at the time. My two younger brothers were lucky the last draft notice passed them by. My brother-in-law was not that lucky. He enlisted at 18, went to Nam, walked point, hit with shrapnel, came home, and committed suicide at 27.
People with disqualifying depression or anxiety cannot serve. If an individual member presents symptoms of such, he is terminated on a case by case basis.
Transgender people cannot serve. If an individual member presents symptoms of such, he is terminated on a case by case basis.
I've got it, the perfect solution. Put them all in the same unit, and they can be part of the "protest brigade". We'll send them around the world to our enemies, capitals. And they can scream and yell on their sidewalks out in front. They are extremely good at that.
What do you think is happening right now?
Yea, but that's against us!!
Maybe add a Pride Parade in all its garishness and the attendant depravity.
This is why I love America. We're such grand deep thinkers & people of action. Matter of fact, let's get all the victims groups together and form their own separate service branch. Nobody would want to touch us on the battlefield. We need a good catchy name for this branch. Come on people help me out here?
Excellent idea.
I've already got the marketing hook. Instead of Army's "Be all you can be", the new branch will use "Be what you want to be".
Perfect.
It seems to me that the cohesion of the platoon in combat is the only truly important metric in the entire issue.
I think that the psychological issues involved in transitioning to and hormonally maintaining a transgender status would be neither useful nor appropriate in the intensely high-keyed, macho world of 30 line soldiers or Marines in combat.
This is a misguided attempt to foist cutting-edge culture issues on an institution that depends on long-established military tradition for its effectiveness.
In combat, diversity does not equal strength; cohesion does.
Are there many born women transgender men signing up for combat units or services? Curious.
Nicolas Talbott is pictured with the headline to this article.
The we larger point is that exclusions for medical reasons is not anything new, which means it is not targeted discrimination without proper basis.
For every one person actually fighting there are nine other people in support positions. Diabetes should be no issue. During Vietnam, a police action not a war, McNamara's Morons made up the bulk of the fighting troops. Very little was disqualifying and certainly not being other than heterosexual in one's proclivities. If you support my ability to fight I don't care who, or what, your interests include.
McNamara's "Project 100,000" personnel--cruelly referred to as "McNamara's Morons"--were soldiers who scored in Mental Category IV on the AFQT. Before 1966, a soldier had to be in Mental Category III or above in order to serve.
As a historian and Vietnam combat Vet, I can vouch for the fact that Cat IVs did not make up the "bulk" of our warfighters in the combat arms.
When 50,000 people die it’s a war. And are you calling the soldiers that went to Vietnam by way of draft morons? If so, you’re an ass.
Not my experience as a civilian combat artist in Iraq and Afghanistan. Soldiers have to be able to bond as a unit; there’s no room for psychological weakness or narcissistic personalities in war-time.
While some trans people may be psychologically healthy, a whole-army policy would invariably bring in many unbalanced individuals.
This is progressive politics butting in to places it doesn’t belong.
Transgender"ism" is just one instance of the capture and distortion of all topics of serious social, political and financial concern vital to the citizens of the American Republic by, generally speaking, the propagandist surveillance state bureaucratic MSM, minions of the misandrist feminist Marxist ("woke") DEI and the Davos/CCP NGO wielding billionaire oligarchy. The point (my opinion) is chaos and prevention of the healthy truth/fact based solutions oriented conversation that would create a stable truth/fact based human American reality. The perps don't give a f'k. It's for all practical purposes a psyop. The RACKET effort to "timeline" factual reality and remove manipulation and knee jerk hysteria is affirmation of how powerful truth/fact based journalism can be.
I hoped for an even handed approach to our Republics problems but after six decades of extreme social engineering, financial high jinks and Marxist iconoclasm I don't see how any President could avoid appearing extreme in confronting the disease. And it is a disease. There is no question that many so called gay or transgendered people could serve the military with honor and dignity but, like our Republics national conversation, the point is chaos and subversion. The real "war" is on the American psyche and the creation of a state of manipulatable psychic/spiritual anomie where "everything means everything and nothing means anything". The walking wounded are everywhere. American infrastructure, her social institutions and economy aren't in collapse by accident. (A million dollar classroom that can't teach a child to read but instills him with self-hatred while destroying his culture and history?) Again: ANOMIE.
Behind the psyop the theft of labor, pension funds and
natural resources feed numbered accounts and builds bunkers for political grifters and the vicious billionaire cliques perping the grift.
We the People are the last free people standing. There is the Republic, the Constitution and the free citizen. Everything else is psyop.
This. Exactly this.
Shipboard enlisted berthings do not afford much privacy. What are we to tell the female sailors if they don't care to bunk with someone who hasn't had "her" plumbing changed?
That's cute, you're acting like the rights of people with uteruses matter in these things. We're all equal, it's just that some groups are more equal than others.
Please explain U.S. Navy Commander Emily “Hawking” Shilling. She's mentioned in the article. There's even a video.
Fighter pilots are "loners." The problems stem from units in which members serve in close proximity to others such as rifle squads and artillery gun and armor tank crews.
The lack of privacy and tensions that arise when members of the team can't "pull their weight" are a deterrent to cohesion and readiness.
Thirty year Army veteran here. I can assure you that not a single solitary military commander in the history of the world has ever thought, “having transgender soldiers on my roster is going to improve my unit’s readiness.” These are always going to be problems that drain attention away from what is actually important. Some dude wanting to be a chick should do so on his own time, not the military’s. Sorry to be a “bigot,” I guess. But it’s absolutely the truth.
Not a bigot. A rational human
Logical is not bigotry..
Also on his own DIME, not the taxpayers'.
I think if you let the population of the USA vote on this they would agree with you.
Some dude wanting to be a chick should do it on his own time, in a private, consenting, adults-only situation. No one has the right to deceive the public about what sex they are, whether entering the military or entering a female-only space like a barracks or a public bathroom.
And that is the final conclusion that will be reached on all the current trans nonsense: you do not have the right to fraudulently impersonate the opposite sex out in public. Human society runs on a shared, objective reality. A sex based reality. The mentally ill cannot be give the privilege to flout that and create chaos for the majority.
That is not bigotry; that is common sense.
Not a bigot, you’re talking the security of our nation 🇺🇸
Please explain U.S. Navy Commander Emily “Hawking” Shilling. She's mentioned in the article. There's even a video.
Explain what? "Emily" is a man who decided to "identify" as a woman. He learned to fly an aircraft as a man. He sort of became a poster boy for the Biden administration, I suppose. If your point is that you can fly an aircraft through mental illness, then I guess you've made it.
Deployability is still the main issue. O-5s often get their own staterooms on the boat which would obviate some concerns, but continuous hormone treatment probably can't be guaranteed at sea.
Transgender = Psychotic! There is no place for psychotic people in the military! This is NOT rocket science.
Language changes but biology doesn't. Genes are pesky things. If your "competent" psychiatrist confirmed you are correct about your delusions, he is participating in what is referred to in psychiatry as a "folie a deux". You should probably get a new psychiatrist and so should he.
Exactly.
Affirming the delusion that a man is actually a woman is just as dumb as affirming the delusion of an anorexic that she really does need to take off a few more pounds, so she should fast for another day or two.
Excellent point. I had an eating disorder as a young woman. It’s is a mental disorder that was also expressed in a negative way in other areas of my life—not just my body.
Sorry. Gender = sex. You can't change the language just to fit your your delusion. Recent corruption of the language and definitions to fit people's delusions does not change the reality that there are only 2 sexes and 2 genders and they are equivalent terms. Reality is a bitch. Sorry, hope you still find me charming.
Hello! I'm transgender, and I'm not psychotic. Thanks for being such a charmer!
Well I'm going to be a little more charming. I practiced medicine for over 50 years. If you believe that you are something that you are not, you are delusional. Delusions are a psychiatric condition. Have you been evaluated by a competent psychiatrist?
Sorry you have gender dysphoria, but your sex and gender are what you were born with and can't be changed. You can identify as whatever you like, good for you! I'm sure you get a lot of attention.
And attention is precisely what they crave.
Obviously.
I have indeed been evaluated by a competent psychiatrist! Do you realize that sometimes what's between someone's ears doesn't match what's between their legs? Do you realize that gender expression is a social construct? Do you realize that transgender people have existed as long as civilization has? Western history and literature are littered with examples.
The issue of 'not matching' in btwn your ears does not define, nor 'make' anyone, trans. This is a term that has no meaning. And no...trans ppl have NOT existed throughout history, as there is no such thing. We have to discuss this issue honestly, starting with acknowledgement that the current iteration of 'trans' is not an actual thing; and that it is being used as a proxy to engage in a political, cultural, and philosophical assault on Reality.
I think literature and history are “littered” with very small examples of people wanting to be what they are not and refusing to accept what they are. that does not mean the rest of the world has to accept a delusion
To encourage confused and often autistic children (12 yo) and get them on lifelong harmful drugs so that their first year of college needs to be navigated using a cane and expose them to a cadre of frankly sociopathic therapists is evil. Ask me how I know. Adults can do as they please, but maybe only sit behind a desk in the armed services
Trans people have certainly existed throughout history. Try reading a bit.
Psychosis too, has been around since the beginning of time!
Incorrect, and inane, comment. Continuing to be disingenuous on this issue serves no one.
I have. They don't.
Pro tip. If you're reiterating what you think an obvious assertion, say that literature is littered with examples of "X", then provide a well-known example.
Left-wing imbeciles always think that the reason people disagree with them is that we haven't heard their propaganda before, and all they should need to do is recite their delusional talking points at us and we'll be convinced to align with them.
This is yet another delusion.
Sigh... right-wing imbeciles always hurl insults rather than make cogent points.
You’ve already been demolished by cogent points. Your delusions are harmful to more than yourself, and it is a function of civilization to marginalize you for the public good.
This entire comment thread consists of people making cogent points -- while you tell us all that we should read up on history.
Sorry. Gender = sex. You can't change the language just to fit your your delusion. Recent corruption of the language and definitions to fit people's delusions does not change the reality that there are only 2 sexes and 2 genders and they are equivalent terms. Reality is a bitch. Sorry, hope you still find me charming.
Do you realize that language evolves over time? Just look at the history of the English language. Words are not static. Meanings and usage change. Try consulting the Oxford English Dictionary.
Language does not change the fact that if you have a dick you’re a dude if you have a vag (and not some surgically created taco) you’re a chick. If you can carry a baby in vitro you’re a woman. Dressing opposite or even trying desperately to recreate oneself as the opposite sex with use of hormones and surgery cannot and will not actually change the biological sex of the human. Sorry. It’s just science 🤷♀️
Words cannot change you into a woman, though.
You are free to dress up and pretend -- just don't join the military, or participate in female sports, please.
Actually Mike's flat out wrong. The most simple observation is that there actually are hermaphrodites (I'm ignoring a number of other borderline cases here to keep things simple).
interestingly Judaism recognizes them and a number of other "special" cases for gender. See https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-eight-genders-in-the-talmud/
That's fine, just don't bother joining the armed forces.
But other transgender people have! Oh no!
yes, but they've probably done so without constantly drawing attention to themselves - once people start requiring the military to provide for 'gender affirming' care and time off and asking people to 'celebrate them', etc., this is what happens - pushback.
So?
That is unfair to their fellow soldiers, who do not need mentally unstable people in their ranks.
Yes I realize there have been mentally disturbed people since the beginning of time.
Do you realize that you do not need a gynecologist?
Do you realize that you can still have prostate issues?
I don't care if you want to get your dick chopped-off at your own expense, but that is not the way it works, or even close. Whether in the military or civilian healthcare system, we are effectively on the same health care system now. We all paid so you can chop your dick off (or sew one on). That is disgusting. I once met the voice coach for Washington State employees who were getting "gender-affirming" care. She was the one who taught men to speak like women..... at tax-payer expense.... and I am sure that only adds up to about 1% of the total cost. This is a free country, so you should be allowed to wear lipstick and put on a dress if you want. Now you owe us all a refund. You should be DOGE'd.
Your anger is amusing. Thanks for the laugh, sweetie.
I don't care if tranny's have existed since the dawn of time. What does that even mean? Is that your defense? Did the cave man chop his dick off at the taxpayers' expense? I hope I am not paying for your lipstick and dresses too. The males of all species know who the females are. It's not you.
Please define the word, gender.
Per Merriam-Webster: the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex.
OK, now define the word, sex. As the phrase "traits typically" can also translate into the word, stereotypes. It appears the word, gender cannot be defined, unless you can also define the word, sex.
Are you in the military
What makes you "transgender?"
Merriam-Webster defines transgender as of, relating to, or being a person whose gender identity differs from the sex the person was identified as having at birth. I fit that definition.
Because you are delusional.
I have read about a lot of people throughout history who thought they were Napoleon, or one of the Romanovs, but that didn't make it so.
According to the DSM-5 (which is as ideologically captured as all the other religious texts), trans people are not delusional. They know they are not actually the opposite sex (even though they demand we say they are). It’s, mostly, a fetish.
It presents as a delusion, like an 80 pound anorexic teenager regarding herself in the mirror, and complaining that she is too fat.
Everyone around her can see that she's not fat, just like everyone around the guy wearing a skirt can clearly see that he is a man.
Then you should not be in the military.
I’m so bored with this nonsense. No human being in the entire history of humanity has ever changed gender, by which the proponents of this rubbish mean biological sex. The fact that in my homeland, Britain, it took a Supreme Court decision to confirm the blindingly bloody obvious that XX is female and XY is male which has now caused the need for bloody great big chunks of policy to be rewritten so that women can be treated as women rather than being invaded by men masquerading as women. It’s no wonder that other nations which are not as liberal or demented as us have been passing legislation to prevent this insanity from infecting their populace. In what abhorrent culture is it perfectly OK to excise the perfectly healthy breasts and, sometimes, the perfectly healthy uterus of a young woman despite the fact that the victim exhibits no physical symptoms of an illness and then call that treatment; the same applies to excising the perfectly healthy testes
Fidnt finish, the perfectly healthy testes of young men and boys. In any normal society those medical professions carrying out these brutal mutilations would be prosecuted for, among other things, performing unnecessary surgery. This is not gender affirming, it’s the exact opposite.
This society is going to destroy itself by trying to impose it’s will on nature. It has learned nothing. From individuals who are unable to live harmoniously within their bodies( ie your home on this earth) and instead of addressing this imbalance within themselves, attempt to dominate nature itself, even if it means destroying yourself in the process. Much like celebrities destroy themselves with plastic surgery to “control” the natural phenomenon of aging. Now we have the same but worse (it affects every living being), the attempts to dominate nature by dimming the sun. Lol and not lol. I imagine what was once understood by 1st grade is now esoteric knowledge: “You can’t fool Mother Nature”. I feel for the powerless in all of this: all the nonverbal life forms that do know how to live harmoniously within nature yet will (and do) suffer because of who can’t. This is why Buddhists call this place “Samsara”. Will run rampant, driven by individual desire generates suffering after suffering, where there is no escape. At least not in this place. But within. We have to liberate ourselves from our own unchecked desire and self grasping to find peace.
"Will run rampant, driven by individual desire generates suffering after suffering, where there is no escape. At least not in this place. But within. We have to liberate ourselves from our own unchecked desire and self grasping to find peace."
+1! Hopefully humanity will awaken to and embrace that some day.
Bottom line is, do you want people with mental problems in the military?
There's no shortage of current and former military members who have "mental problems" and are not transgender.
Not every member of the military has mental problems. Every "transgender" person does. That's the difference.
It is true that a lot of transgender people struggle with mental illness. Being part of a vulnerable, marginalized community that is constantly demonized by very loud and powerful voices proclaiming that we're sub-human does take its toll after a while.
There’s not a claim you’re subhuman. Be who you want to be. We just don’t want be part of your crusade and you all demand that we participate
I'm not on a crusade. I simply believe that all people deserve equal treatment in the eyes of the law, regardless who they are or how they identify.
If you believe in equal treatment, then you should agree that other medical conditions prohibit serving. Why should you be any different?
I’m a 68 year old woman who began a career on Wall Street in the 70s. Women were assistants. I kept my head down , worked hard , didn’t have to have months of pride celebrations, didn’t need to have people call me proper pronouns. I minded my business and did my job and worked my way up. Trans people can too. But you do crusade
are you in the military
If how you "identify" is a subjective interpretation of yourself and not what you objectively and materially are, asking society to affirm that identity is asking society to affirm a lie. That lie is harmful, dangerous and disruptive for everyone, including the trans identified. It cannot be accommodated. Human society has been and always will be ordered by sex. Sex cannot be changed. The trans identified are asking for special privileges, not equal treatment. Those privileges simply cannot be given. The wants of the trans identified conflicts with the needs of the majority, and we've already learned that without objective, sex based boundaries, chaos and real harm ensues.
Judging by how many comments you have left on this posts… it’s says you are on an ideological crusade to deny reality.
Trans persons being "vulnerable, marginalized, demonized, etc. sounds like the perfect fit for a job that requires selfless dedication and bravery. I'll fight for your right to live the way you choose, but not to distract and possibly endanger the fighting men and women's military missions..
Trans people have served and are currently are serving in the military. I have yet to hear of any situation where they have distracted and endangered other troops. Have you?
I have. I have also read all your comments in this thread. They paint a picture of a person committed to fighting for a 'cause', not a person committed to fighting for what being a soldier means. If a trans military person makes my son's deployment any more stressful or dangerous, I won't support them being there.
We don't need to.
We see unstable trans people online all the time, and we can extrapolate that to see that you do not belong in the military.
Just shut up already. No one cares about your delusional opinions.
To be clear, I absolutely do not condone hating, or otherwise degrading transgenders. It is usually a sign that they experienced severe trauma as a child. They need to be treated with understanding and therapy. Enabling their delusion, however is not helpful to them or the rest of society.
There has always been a segment of humanity that does not psychologically fit within the standard gender paradigm, which is a social construct. I'm trans, and I did not experience severe childhood trauma. However, trying to be something that I was not for most of my life--that is, male--was quite literally killing me. Once I understood that I was trans and not alone in how I felt, I stopped hating myself so much.
There will always be a small segment of the population that responds differently to mental or physical stress. I respectfully don't agree that it is not a form of mental illness, especially if you want to alter your body physically or chemically. We all have varying degrees of things we don't like about ourselves. Irreversible treatments are not the answer. People with body dismorphia will sometimes insist that they will not be happy unless they have an appendage removed, like an arm or leg. We correctly recognize these people as delusional and hopefully try to help them understand what they are trying to do is destructive. We also know that the vast majority of those who undergo sexual transitions find themselves unfulfilled afterwards.
If you are a functioning adult and otherwise have no obvious negative effect on me or society, I will have no issue with you and will treat you with respect. I sincerely wish you happiness. That doesn't mean you are fit for the military. Being a well functioning large military means that everybody needs to be pretty similar in size, strength, and health. You will get rejected if you have flat feet, are too short or too tall, low iq, too fat. Being different from the norm is a a risk of distraction. It's not "fair" but fair doesn't win wars.
Cool.
Just stay out of the military.
Stop.
Poor, poor pitiful trans!
Y'all just want to live your lives and be left alone -- except that you never stop screaming about how precious you are, and how we need to tolerate your presence everywhere -- regardless of the threat you pose to real women, and the stupidity of having you in the military.
If this is your compassion, then your hate must really be something else.
Seriously give it a freaking rest
Thanks for the all hate, sweetheart. I'm glad that I got under your skin.
Where was the hate? I don't hate anyone.
Nobody in this comment thread has expressed hate.
We are saying that trans individuals do not belong in the military.
Your zealous efforts to characterize disagreement as "hate" is all the more reason why you should not be in the military.
You're way too emotional.
We see this same dramatic tendency in trans women all over the Internet, where any resistance to their invasion of women's sports and women's spaces is greeted with hysterical cries that opponents are "pushing violence" on the trans community.
Disagreements are not "hate," and pointing out biological facts is not "pushing violence."
If you were even remotely female you would be far more compliant, cooperative, agreeable, and you would acquiesce far more often.
I didn't say you're subhuman...I said you have mental problems.
No taxpayer funding should go to facilitate sex change surgeries. Women aren't even allowed to have their breasts reconstructed after breast cancer in many cases. This is a cosmetic procedure. I can't believe we are here. In insane world. Most transgender people I've personally dealth with are extremely aggressive men. Not all. But my personal experience is that they are mentally ill.
This stuff wasn’t on anyone’s radar in 2015 when the Obama administration quietly dropped into into the military. All us normies were commuting to work, coming home tired, and tending to our families. Next thing we know our kids are being led into the school library for drag queen story hour. Now it’s become institutionalized, normalized by entertainment media, and it’s taking all kinds of energy to course correct. And we’ve even had several dark years where normies were getting fired from their jobs for “incorrect” usage of pronouns.
Just completely insane that you can't go about your life in this country without assigning at least one person per family to keep up with everything, which is a 14 hour a day job. Believe me, I am assigned. I wish I never had to read another story in my life but look what happens. So sickening.
Never forget: Pritzker Big Pharma money put Obama in the White House and he returned the favor by putting radical gender identity ideology into federal policy.
Ah.
Yes they are & they are a danger to women & children.
Of course they're mentally ill!
The best illustration of "toxic masculinity" is all the angry, delusional trans females online.
as someone that was removed from the military for depression and other issues, i can confidently say (having not yet read this article, but thought about this topic deeply), there is no place for this issue in the military
We are very far removed from what war could be. Isolated, far from front lines with little or no support. Lack of sleep, lack of food, lack of medicines. People dying all around you just from the environment. The last thing you need is people who require extra support just to function. Support that may never get there. Would the lack of hormone treatments result in a psychotic break? If it is supposedly "needed", it would seem that would indeed be the case. In our recent wars, there have been McDonalds in the actual theater of battle. This works when you are fighting vastly inferior forces. What happens in a world war against a peer opponent? Is that when you cull those who cannot function out?
I get it that in a global war, even on the home front, people contribute. Every little bit counts. But that doesn't make sense in theater where there are no ADA accommodations. You never know what the next battlefield will look like. On a simpler note, if a person is non-deployable, they hold a billet in a non-deployable space. What we in the Navy called "shore duty". Deployable sailors get billets of "shore duty" as a respite from being constantly at sea. If those billets are full, there is no respite for the war fighters. I was in the Navy when they first brought women onboard support ships. I was on one of those and our first cruise was like an episode of The Love Boat. For another 18 years, I did some active and reserve duty before retiring. During several of my 2 weeks of active reserve duty, I noticed practically the entire staff in the personnel dept on base were pregnant women. Pregnant women are not very deployable..., but it is one of those things (FYI Justice Jackson) that happens to women sometimes.
The military is a war fighting machine. It doesn't need to be a place where every social experiment is carried out, and everyone gets a trophy. They can do that in the State Dept. Otherwise, why not have child soldiers? I hear their tiny fingers are good for cleaning the barrels of rifles. We could try that for a decade or two to perform a study before making any hasty conclusions....
"The military is a war fighting machine. It doesn't need to be a place where every social experiment is carried out, and everyone gets a trophy." End of discussion! There are many other ways to serve one's country outside of the military, but some must have it THEIR way - the antithesis of military participation.
Ha ha. My drill instructor called us "Burger King" in boot camp. Needless to say, it didn't go our way...
Cogent and clear. Thanks for this.
This isn’t about sex or even about being transgender. It’s about power. People with gender dysphoria are being used by postmodern semanticists to make the same point O’Brien did to poor Winston in 1984. “I tell you Winston, reality exists in the human mind, and nowhere else.” Power is being able to make someone agree with or go along with something they don’t actually believe, initially out of fear or a desire to be agreeable. But do it long enough and it becomes true belief which then becomes inseparable from reality. O’Brien continues; “Not in the individual mind, which can make mistakes, and in any case soon perishes: only in the mind of the Party, which is collective and immortal. Whatever the Party holds to be the truth, is truth. It is impossible to see reality except by looking through the eyes of the Party.” This is why support for transgenderism is a left-wing cause that so many on the left ore willing to go to the mat for. If they succeed here they will be in a position to start to dictate reality to the rest of us - and we’ll accept it, just as Winston Smith eventually did. “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
This is it, EXACTLY. Room 101, played out in real time. We, as a Society, either resist, or succumb.
Terrifying book, that one.
If we can be made to believe that a man can turn into a woman, we can be made to believe that 2 + 2 = 5.
How about a compromise. You can be trans, but when on duty or on base you have to follow the grooming standards and wear the uniform of your plumbing.
Off duty, off base, do what you want.
And no, we aren't medically supporting this.
This would probably sort out the people who put priority on service/the organization from those who prioritize their personal identities.
it takes all the fun out of it.
this is going on now recall the commercials about the drag queen in and out of uniform, recruiting for the military? that was creepy. if a person wants to be trans it seems that is their end game, so go do it on your own time, not in the military, and dont expect universal or monetary support. This is a personal choice and all the associated costs belong to "the chooser"..
If they manage to stay for retirement taxes will pay for their medical care for life and that seems like an expensive proposition. What if they have an operation that doesn't work out? That could lead to life-long Veterans Disability. How will they be deployable with all the medications they require?
Retired USN chief and female. What if my truth (my "identity") is I'm really Salma Hayek but I was born in the wrong body. I walk into a recruiter's office or I'm already in the service and go the chain-of-command and tell them I need to live my truth. I need surgery and skin treatment to match my inner truth. I also need custom uniforms to fit my true body once all the surgical treatment is complete. I also need hair transplants to match the hair volume of my inner Salma, and only then I can get back to full duty. We can easily end this stupidity by prohibiting makeup and jewelry and getting rid of uniform skirts and have all wear the same uniforms. Shilling is apparently a skilled pilot but has a psychiatric problem. Talbot comparing having elective cosmetic surgery and taking cross-sex hormones to other service members that take aspirin, motrin, skin cream or whatever while already in the service is narcissistic justification. She did not come across well.
Also, hormones are mood altering and body altering drugs. Using wrong-sex hormones atrophy sexed organs causing health issues. A belief that demands constant drug use, surgeries and compelled "affirmation" should not be allowed ... anywhere, really.
Good to hear Chief! When I joined the USN in 1975, I had to swear and check the box I was NOT a Homosexual. Please keep talking TRANSGENDER and trying to show this as Normal behavior instead of the mental illness it is. The Democratic Party is SICKO and HATES America USN 6. yrs FTM1
I happen to know you’re lying!
You’re obviously a robot antelope wearing a trench coat!
Respect my feelings!
It’s simply unbelievable we are wasting all this time and effort on this bullshit. If you are crazy and desire this surgery do it in your own on your dime.
if a person's focus is on 'grooming habits' to make them feel more like 'themselves' then they shouldn't be in the military.
If you are a human being over the age of 18 that has a penis, you are a man. for the remainder of your life.
In all other cases, you are a woman. For the remainder of your life.
You can call yourself whatever you want. But that does not change reality.
You can delude yourself all you wish. But that does not change reality.
I have an idea. We’ll end this nonsense right now by reinstitution of the draft. Everyone, male , female and confused get to be in the Army for one year, no exclusion, no exemption. All have basic training in the infantry. Same uniforms, same haircuts same discipline and same physical fitness requirements. Total equality. If they make the year and want to make a career we might have a soldier. Otherwise we bid them a fond farewell.
I wonder about the dueling lawsuits. Could be a lot of fun.
BTW mandatory military service is not a rare idea in much of the world.
After the left is done marching and complaining about the draft they could all at least learn to march and do leftist Jody calls.
Just like Israel
We couldn’t handle that. The Israelis know what is at stake and that they are fighting for their lives.
That's funny. The Israeli Defense Forces allow transgender people to openly serve in the military.
You really are on a crusade. Embarrassing
66 have manditory service. Israel is the most and longest. 16 are like us, when needed. The rest are no. It’s interesting to see who is who. Nice graphic on google.
If the US moves to mandatory service and trans cannot serve, guess how many folks will develop their mental illness program..
I have upmost respect for our citizens who volunteer to serve, but do not want trans in the service.
Always loved Klinger but he never claimed to be a woman, just a section 8. He was denied based on Catch 22 logic; if you don’t want to be here it doesn’t mean you’re crazy, but the opposite. Never understood why gender dysphoria would not qualify as a mental disorder which would be disqualifying.
The Israeli Defense Forces allow transgender people to openly serve in the military. I suppose you didn't know that.
I’ve been over there and seen the obvious women in service. They don’t have shaved heads. They have updos and long nails, carrying Uzi’s. I think there should be mandatory service for everyone in the US.
Actually, I heard that anyone with a pulse can serve. When the alternative is death, who can be picky.
No makeup, no earrings, no uniform skirts. Just slacks.
Fatigues. Shaved heads. Shined boots.
That's honestly not a bad idea.