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JD Free's avatar
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We were told in no uncertain terms that one could not mention anything other than guns in response to the Annunciation Catholic shooting. The shooter's delusions were off-limits.

Now we're told that the killer's mental health is the only relevant aspect of this story, and any law-enforcement angles (and the killer's overt racism) are off-limits. One wonders how coverage would shift if Iryna Zarutska was shot instead of being stabbed!

The difference between Jordan Neely and Decarlos Brown is one Daniel Penny, and the Left hates Penny and laments his exoneration. Even George Floyd was on the path to becoming Decarlos Brown, and we have to look at his big ugly mug on murals all over the country now.

But the real problem isn't that these repeat offenders roam free. It's the cocktail of identity politics, non-agency, resentment, and permissiveness that has increased the number of Decarlos Browns in our society by orders of magnitude over what it could be.

No wonder they want to blame the guns.

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MDM 2.0's avatar

I found it amusing when someone wondered out loud after the Annunciation shooting if trans individuals shouldn't be allowed to own guns....the biggest previous gun grabbers all of the sudden became 2nd Amendment proponents

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Wait—are you saying there are hypocrites in the tribes?

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MDM 2.0's avatar

Shocking

(not shocked)

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John Sirko's avatar

At least we're consistent, we believe all mentally ill individuals should not be allowed to purchase guns, Trans included.

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Danno's avatar

Also have to note that some conservatives were advocating stricter gun control for trans individuals. Yikes.

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MDM 2.0's avatar

Charlie Kirk just shot in Utah...in the middle of a debate of whether trans folks should not be allowed to own guns

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webstersmill's avatar

Praying for Charlie Kirk.

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Neil Opfer's avatar

Too sad about Charlie Kirk.

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BookWench's avatar

Yeah, that was a really bad idea.

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Dazed and Confused's avatar

There is no cure for Trump derangement syndrome. It is astonishing to watch people in the grip of this fever beclown themselves while denying he has any effect on them at all.

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Steven Leonard's avatar

Like! I interact with them every day, and the bulk of them will never come back to normal.

They are like a divergent hominid species, and we should let them be on their way.

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Brook Hines's avatar

there shouldn’t be a need for Daniel Penny. there should be adequate forensic psych units to accommodate criminals with serious mental illness who’re homeless. trump’s already done an Exec Order on this, now they need to get serious and implement it.

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Mark Blair's avatar

This has always been the problem. Schizophrenics are often let to let to the point they are imprisoned. Kennedy started this experiment in shuttering mental institutions 60 years ago. It was clear by the late 70s it was a total failure.

But it is going to cost, and since we won't pay it in dollars, we pay it in blood.

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Stxbuck's avatar

This isn’t wrong. More jails and more lunatic asylums are desperately needed. Maybe tell the NFL owners to build their own damn stadiums.

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Brook Hines's avatar

those with severely mentally ill family members know this all too well. there is absolutely no help and thus no way to protect society from that person. they say “he has to commit a crime.” so he commits a crime and he’s in-and-out in no time at all. then he’s back at his mother’s or grandmother’s house, unmedicated and delusional.

it’s an issue i’ve worked on personally here in FL to get some recognition at the state level. the coalition was so diverse, too. this touches every kind of family demographic cutting across class, race, religion, politics. everything. it’d be a slamdunk win for Trump/GOP if they were to do a serious initiative. HHS is the best agency to tackle this…which’d be kinda interesting with a Kennedy revisiting the family project.

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Micheal Turner's avatar

Intersectional dogma is civilization poison.

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5JimBob's avatar

The truth stated in the simplest way!

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Pat Robinson's avatar

Appropo of nothing, but;

If the current Hamas fad of the white progressive moron left has them all wearing checkered scarfs for protests, shouldn't they all have been in blackface for the BLM mostly peaceful protests?

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Mark Blair's avatar

Unless new info has come out, I don't think we know the killer had "overt racism", just as we didn't ever learn that racism was a factor in the Chauvin/Floyd case.

In this case the killer was saying something like "I got that white girl", which can just be descriptive.

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JD Free's avatar

That is far more generous than would be allowed if the races were reversed.

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Danno's avatar

If the races were reversed, we would have seen the whole bloody incident, just like we did with Chauvin.

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GMT1969's avatar

Maybe the press will allow the killer here to raise the defense that Chauvin was not allowed to raise - that Floyd died because of underlying health problems and not because of the non-lethal restraint.

If they could, the MSM would blame the 23 year old deceased and say that the killer is the real victim.

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Mark Blair's avatar

I was generous to Chauvin in this regard, and can only control my own opinion.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

IIRC the government never even accused Chauvin of being racist at his trial.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Thanks. We don’t need to re-litigate Chauvin.

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BookWench's avatar

If the races had been reversed, and the perp had said, "I got that black girl," would that have shown "overt racism"?

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Marilyn's avatar

Or black instead of being white

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Jim Ryser's avatar

I suspect meth had a little something to do with it.

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溪煮親, Lord Kaingin's avatar

Gender dysphoria does not correlate with violent behavior.

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DAVID FORSMARK's avatar

Andy Ngo has bruises and contusions that refute that.

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Mark's avatar

Recent study on that?

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random mover's avatar

Think of all the death threats you'd get if word got out you were studying that. And who would fund it? (That Trantifa group -covered extensively by Ngo- has racked up more murders than all the other Antifa affinity gangs combined.)

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baker charlie's avatar

That is why there are sites like Terf is a Slur that prove otherwise. The exhibit at the SF library of wire wrapped baseball bats and Tshirts daubed with red paint and 'punch a TERF' don't exist? That never happens, you say?

A casual perusal of Muderpedia shows a correlation between crossdressing and violence. There are four signs of a nascent serial murderer: Bedwetting, Animal Abuse, Arson and Sexual Fetishes, crossdressing being one of the most prevalent.

I don't turn my back on troons either.

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John Sirko's avatar

But it's literally in the DSM as a mental illness, should never have had guns.

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Jim Ryser's avatar

I suspect meth had a little something to do with it.

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Eileen Thornton Renda's avatar

It doesn’t just suck as it HAS BEEN sucking … so how do we make it stop?

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SimulationCommander's avatar

It's the height of hypocrisy (and hilarity) to claim the right is "making this political" when the left was responsible for the "Summer of Love" after George Floyd.

And I'm not the only one who noticed which story got wall-to-wall coverage.

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Mickel Knight's avatar

“And I'm not the only one who noticed which story got wall-to-wall coverage.”

Understatement of the year potential here.

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BradK (Afuera!)'s avatar

The Streisand Effect writ large. The more they try and bury or downplay the story the more their dark hypocrisy is exposed to sunlight.

When Whoopie and Jasmine Crockett start opining on it, this is when the fun truly begins. Grab your popcorn.

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JD Free's avatar

"Politicizing" is when the argument is ideologically unflattering, and only when the argument is ideologically unflattering.

Demanding gun control in response to Annunciation Catholic was not "politicizing", but mentioning the shooter's poorly-treated mental health was.

Demanding better mental health treatment for Decarlos Brown is not "politicizing", but any other angle on the Zarutska murder is.

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Patrick's avatar

Pandemic of the Politicized

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Katie Andraski's avatar

Charlie Kirk was just shot. Say a prayer for him. The Left is at it again.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

Looks bad

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Katie Andraski's avatar

He’s gone.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

Yes. Awful. We're discussing it on my 'Stack - I don't want to clog up Matt's boards with off-topic posts.

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Katie Andraski's avatar

I hear you.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Good point, but criminal-killing-someone doesn’t naturally draw the attention that cop-killing-someone does.

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Mark Blair's avatar

And both stories seem to have a bogus racial angle, at least as a primary factor.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

FWIW, I've seen "the right" attacking the judicial system that let the guy out a whole lot more than they're attacking black people in general, though of course there are exceptions.

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baker charlie's avatar

I'm more concerned about a justice system that has conflicts of interest like Rehab Centers and Halfway Houses.

That is an angle that is being underplayed, but needs to be dug into. Like those judges sending teens to those camps in PA years ago. Judges should have to disclose conflicts of interest.

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Kevin M.'s avatar

Beyond everything Matt covers here, it’s also the mainstream medias complete lack of interest in covering the story (until they had no choice) because it doesn’t fit the narrative. It’s exhausting how for EVERY news story, the coverage it will get is driven by the race of the suspect (and victim)… can you imagine if it was a white man killing a black woman in cold blood. It would be 24/7 news coverage and Riot-Palooza throughout the U.S. but a white Ukrainian woman killed by a black man… crickets. (And here I thought the left was pro-Ukrainian!)

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Clever Pseudonym's avatar

The MSM are now Narrative Enforcement Agents for the global corporate state. They are the commissars of conventional wisdom, with their main task being making sure no one has an original or unapproved thought.

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Shane Gericke's avatar

"Freeze! NEA Investigations SWAT! Put down your mouse and step slowly away from your laptop, Thought Criminal!"

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Frank A's avatar

"The MSM are now Narrative Enforcement Agents for the global corporate state."....which is why they make the Big Bucks. Torturing the truth is a full-time job!

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Skenny's avatar

It is basically the 20% playing to the same 20% on 80/20 issues. 20% of the US market is large enough to sustain mainstream media. Their conscious decision to ignore the 80% makes them irrelevant.

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Mark Marshall's avatar

Those turds weren't concerned about rampant crime. But now there are concerned about the Trumpist backlash and Trump acting against crime.

The jokes practically write themselves.

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Art Eckstein's avatar

Charlotte Mayor Vi Lyles in response to the murder made the statement, "We will never arrest our way out of issues such as homelessness and mental health."

Is that really true? If DeCarlos Brown had been in jail, instead of out on "cashless bond", the poor Ukrainian refugee woman he slaughtered would still be alive.

The Democrats fall into Trump's trap by twisting every way they can, as they are doing now, to avoid ascribing responsibility to the monster who slit this innocent girl's throat in public on the Charlotte Light Rail Train.

But in any case there is a larger issue. And someone smart wrote this about the general incoherence of Democratic position: if you want the kind of urban life Democrats say they want — with mass transit, dense housing and a diverse population — then public order, controlling not just violent crime but also disorderly conduct, is an absolute must.

People won’t take mass transit if they feel unsafe on it, and mass transit, by definition, forces you into proximity with strangers.

If you can’t trust those strangers to behave themselves, people will choose alternatives —go armed, or abandon cities entirely and move to places where the surroundings are more congenial.

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TeamOfRivals's avatar

Lyles really said that, did she? Sounds really Hitlerian to me, almost like prosecutable hate speech. Like "hey, white person! Stay out out of the way of my mentally ill, black knife, or you could get hurt by the superior race."

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Your point is well taken, but racking & stacking them in jails and prisons doesn’t seem the best way to deal with severe mental illness.

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steven t koenig's avatar

If you lined up and shot, on live national TV, 1000 of the most mentally ill people, a whole lot of the rest of them would get well all by themselves

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Yeah, just like the threat of the death penalty has totally deterred would-be murders. Totally great idea.

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Art Eckstein's avatar

It certainly deterred those who were executed.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

I don't think deterred is the right word for those who have been killed. When one is dead, deterrence ceases effectiveness quite rapidly.

It has not, however, deterred would-be murders. That's the point. That's the whole point. "Killing is wrong, so let's kill those who kill" works for nothing but short-term revenge feelings.

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Art Eckstein's avatar

There are famous cases of those once condemned to death who were eventually released and killed again: Kenneth McDuff. Condemned to death in 1966 for murdering three teenagers; sentence commuted to life imprisonment in 1972 on basis of Furman v Georgia (look it up); paroled in 1989. He raped and killed six additional women between 1989 and 1992. These six people would not have died if McDuff had been executed. That would have deterred him.

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Stxbuck's avatar

No, but it’s a pretty good way to deal with the trauma, crime, and terror created by untreated mentally ill junkies. They do have drug therapy groups that meet in prison….

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Art Eckstein's avatar

Tell that to the dead female refugee from Ukraine! No, it’s not the best. But you go to war with the army you have. Anything to keep these monsters off the streets.

“I got that white girl!” You can hear him on the recording. That’s another topic better not touched as we express our sympathy for this poor fellow.

And, uh, what was the name of his VICTIM again?

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Brook Hines's avatar

Why isn’t the reaction: “this gruesome homicide illustrates the need for REAL investment in forensic mental health care administered federally through HHS to accommodate known criminals with serious mental illness who’d otherwise be living on the street, involved in drug trade, and endangering people just coming home work”?

that’s the question on my mind, at least.

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Matt330's avatar

Simple, it would not be “compassionate”. Better to let him go off the deep end after a life of crime, murder an innocent person, and spend the rest of his life in a maximum security prison. Wouldn’t want to involuntary commit him to a psyche ward or anything.

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TeamOfRivals's avatar

Really? That sounds WAY too much like bettering society to originate from the MSM.

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Brook Hines's avatar

literally said “HA” out loud 😝

i’m so old i remember when problem solving was a primary angle in reporting/analysis: “how can this be addressed? what are the levers to push? who has authority, control, money to do a thing?”

[MSM won’t take this angle b/c it’s counter to their GET TRUMP project]

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Doctor Mist's avatar

Well, if the press is going to constantly talk about "the perceived failings of Democratic policies" and "the violent crime they say plagues many Democrat-led cities", eventually they might accidentally get through to one or two borderline voters. Maybe?

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Sandy's avatar
3hEdited

Nellie Bowles had a great comment on this,in I think yesterday’s daily round up on The Free Press.

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Clever Pseudonym's avatar

The Dems are Ahab and Donnie is their White Whale yet the Dems are also Wile E. Coyote with Donnie as their Roadrunner. Tragic and comic!

But maybe he's really Nemesis, come to deliver retribution to our globalist overlords for their staggering arrogance, where they really imagined they could hog all the assets and all the virtue and no one would notice or even object.

Or is he just Rodney Dangerfield in "Caddyshack", the louche nouveau-riche buffoon who sends all the snooty aristocrats to their fainting couches?

Either way, we are ten years into history's longest-running nervous breakdown with no end in sight.

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Patrick's avatar
4hEdited

Real Wives of Bushwood

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Marty Keller's avatar

I'm going with Nemesis.

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Frank A's avatar
3hEdited

"the Dems are also Wile E. Coyote with Donnie as their Roadrunner. Tragic and comic!"

LOL!! Too perfect! Now THAT is meme-worthy!

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Clever Pseudonym's avatar

lol thx

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Stxbuck's avatar

Your Caddyshack reference is spot on-also see Jackie Mason’s character in Caddyshack 2 and Rodney again as Thornton Mellon in Back to School.

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Barry Lederman, “normie”'s avatar

TDS captured the lefts brain and is incurable.

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S.V. Calrissian's avatar

Yup. They're minds have been permanently fucked.

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Indecisive decider's avatar

Obedience of thought demands fealty. Ye shall not question the liturgy.

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Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Let us not wish death on those with whom we disagree. That shit gets out of hand quickly.

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TeamOfRivals's avatar

On the day that Charlie Kirk is assassinated, don't even go there. The ones wishing death to other human beings are on the left. I just want their ideas to die, to be transformed into clear thinking, right thinking, hopefully godly thinking. If you disagree with me on that, then watch how your rhetoric causes violence. Yes, my wish for those who disgustingly disagree with me on basic, obvious matters of truth and goodness has come back to bite me. I regret that. If I could take back those words and bring back Charlie Kirk to his family, I would do it. I would even change sides. I wish I could.

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John Wygertz's avatar

Bald racist, Brian Stelter

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TeamOfRivals's avatar

I can't wait, figuratively speaking, for the brutal stabbing in the neck of Brian Stelter on mass transit by a deranged/on drugs black dude who subsequently yells "I got the white guy!" and then the outcry from CNN commenters that it's baldly racist to notice that no one is noticing the excusing of this black-on-white crime against an innocent man in a blue city run by soft-on-crime Democrats. But then maybe they didn't like Stelter that much anyway so it won't go there.

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Frank A's avatar

Yup! They have no sense of irony.

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Joni Lang's avatar

😂

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Doohmax's avatar

This Trump mania started as soon as he escalated onto the world political stage. The Left and the media (I repeat myself) have backed themselves into an inescapable corner and are now flailing mindlessly at any Trump stimulus.

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JD Free's avatar

It subsided for a moment when it looked like DeSantis might be the GOP nominee, and it will end when Republicans decide their 2028 nominee.

Prior to 2015, it was other Republicans, especially GWB.

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Yuri Bezmenov's avatar

Moths to an orange flame. They keep getting zapped. Orange man bad, even if that means criticizing him for bringing attention to a revolting crime.

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Kevin Edgar Ruby's avatar

Totally agree. If you actually don’t like Orange Man, don’t filter your reality through Orange Man.

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JD Free's avatar

They don't want to stop using the Orange Man to inflame zealots into supporting their power.

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Quint's avatar

Trump changed the entire MSM landscape from credible to laughable simply because he challenged their authority and journalistic objectivity. The Russia-gate and Fine People hoaxes exposed their blatant political bias early on to anyone curious enough to do a little research. The more he called them out, the deeper they dug in. It became farcical. 'He wants you to ingest bleach!' Now, no one under 65 trusts MSM. It may be Trump’s greatest legacy accomplishment: He broke them, and good riddance.

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random mover's avatar

Before Trump, the GOP was the tame companion animal of the D Party. They never did anything without checking with the Dems first. Everyone came to think that was the natural order of the universe. Even abortion, something that the really not religious Trump never cared about before, couldn't be handled in the pre-Trump era. And the Democrats don't even pretend any more to be antiwar or pro-civil liberties.

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midge's avatar

Warning: Brian Stelter's writing and media appearances WILL induce immediate vomiting and diarrhea.

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Marilyn's avatar

Boy are you right. I know someone, female, who is against men playing in women’s sports. President Trump made it illegal and she thought that wasn’t his job, he should be doing presidential stuff. No credit for him. I use an iPad and when I type President I get Biden or Obama but never Trump.

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TeamOfRivals's avatar

Wow! Thankfully Android doesn't go THAT far as to Biden and Obama, but no matter how many times I correct it, I ALWAYS get good instead of God. Beyond irritating and Makes me sick.

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baker charlie's avatar

During one of the latest kerfuffles, I caught an announcer saying 'former President Trump'.

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Shane Gericke's avatar

Reporting (accurately) the killer said "Got the white girl" after snuffing her is "baldly racist"? Anyone who thinks that needs less meth. Or more. Or something.

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Sandy's avatar

Absolutely. As I like to do for perspective,reverse the situation…

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Frank A's avatar

Me too. Sadly, the double-standard of far too many prohibit them from doing that.

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