"important stories like...Critical Race Theory"
Critical Race Theory is important..? Wh, what?
"And parents of young daughters do NOT want their girls raped in the school bathroom by a dude in a skirt"
Good God, there's a LOT to unpack here.
First, it's obscene that you would imply that wanting people to use gender-affirming bathrooms mea…
"And parents of young daughters do NOT want their girls raped in the school bathroom by a dude in a skirt"
Good God, there's a LOT to unpack here.
First, it's obscene that you would imply that wanting people to use gender-affirming bathrooms means you want children raped.
Second, that's not what happened in the Loudoun case. It keeps getting bandied about that this kid, who is by all accounts a violent offender, was able to stealth his way into the bathroom because he was wearing a skirt. Nope. Not the case. He had a preexisting consensual relationship with her. Allegedly, he met her at her own invitation THEN he raped her. That has NOTHING to do with gender.
Third, unfortunately, this case was mishandled, but if CHILDREN are involved in crimes, they are afforded privacy. It seems like this was an extreme case that got mishandled and is the perfect intersection of where our culture is right now.
Using it as a case-in-point or synecdoche for our entire society and gender relations is at best lazy, and at worst, playing to the cheap seats to repackage transphobia. You're basic and weak. Fuck off, Jenny.
Again, how am I defending child rape? I abhor that. No one should be raped.
What are the lies and bullshit?
And they will be severe? What does that mean? Please be explicit. Unless, of course, that's the point because you mean to imply something that, if stated outright, would constitute a threat or hate speech. Am I wrong about that?
The lie that Trans Women are Women. Intersex is a true objectively factual reality, but the denial of the 5M years of the homo.sapiens biological sexual binary is not. The female sex is not determined by "feelings," it is determined by the sperm cell that fertilizes a woman's egg. #Science
"What is the end game on this?' she added. 'My son's going to be going on the sexual registry and be committed to Meghan's Law for the rest of his life because he had 15-year-old hormones."
No lady, your son is an obvious menace to society and he is going to be locked up for his predatory ways.
As much as I ache for her and the bad choices of her son, I am much more concerned about the girls father being called a domestic terrorist and the heavy handed response from the authorities.
I believe it was this side of the story that rankled all parents.
It’s become a battle of how abhorrently unconscionable acts people are willing to rationalize to prove allegiance to a political party… until they become victims of what they’ve rationalized.And even then , many will still blame the “ other side”.Mocking a rape victim speaks volumes.
I'm deeply sorry for your past victimization. That's awful.
Sure. I can accept that. I had a family member murdered, and the murderer's mother was the same way. Unfortunately, I think the tendency to see the best side of their child is the protective maternal instinct taken to the extreme.
Can we please separate the crime, which is awful, from the trans community and the use of gender affirming restrooms, which has not resulted in any increase in sexual violence?
I appreciate you saying that. I hope you are right, but please, while I know it will grate against the community you speak to, try to avoid language like "And parents of young daughters do NOT want their girls raped in the school bathroom by a dude in a skirt." I mean, yes, that premise is true, but it gets misconstrued and helps reinforce close minded narratives. Look no further than the comments that followed mine about how the consequences for being trans "will be severe." That's screwed up.
The resistance to letting trans people into girl's bathrooms isn't a broad brush indictment of the trans community as likely rapist. Far from it. The resistance is to opening the door to girl's bathrooms to all _men_. The men/boys most eager to go through that door are the predators. How can we tell a true trans girl apart from a predator man/boy? If you know the answer to that, please share it with us.
But, that doesn't follow. The boy (I say boy because he has not been identified otherwise) in this particular case entered the bathroom BEFORE the LGBT-friendly bathroom policy was even in effect, so... there's nothing preventing people from entering bathrooms to right rightnow. Why do we have to jump through these hoops to prove we are what we say we are?
It absolutely was blown up by conservative media. I watched it happen.
Many people are wondering how the story would have played in the media if a maga hat wearing teen boy had raped a girl in the womens rest room.
I believe we both know the answer to that question.
As for the coverup by the school district and the media, I believe it is the overall lying and treatment of the girls dad that is still the main story.
"First, it's obscene that you would imply that wanting people to use gender-affirming bathrooms means you want children raped."
I agree that the crucial issue there is not gender-flexible bathroom policy. But the perpetrator of the rape was already a known offender who was allowed to transfer to a different school rather than being expelled, and that's a clear indication that Virginia schools have slipshod policies toward discipline that even extend to students who perpetrate blatant transgressions of basic standards of social conduct.
Compare that case with the recent phenomenon of resort to preemptive suspensions and expulsions of college students that have resulted simply on the basis of an accusation of sexual assault that isn't proven or admitted.
Also, at least some of us are dismayed by another frequent feature of the conversations about this event: the implicitly expressed laissez-faire attitude, in regard to couples appropriating school bathrooms during open school hours in order to engage in sexual acts, as long as both parties are "consenting." At least some of us find that attitude of passive assent to be not just an awfully slippery slope, but a telling indication that disciplinary standards in regard to the social environment in the high schools have already gone completely over the edge. What is someone who walks in to witness two students actively engaged in a sex act to do- give them the benefit of the doubt? Simply go about their business, using the adjoining facilities? At some point, lines need to be drawn between the mission of public high schools as learning environments for teenagers, and the opportunity for students to take advantage of a lack of enforcement of standards for social conduct- and the legal privileges of "juvenile" status- to convert a school building into a porno fantasyland environment for their personal gratification. (After which, presumably, some of those who act on that impulse may well find themselves in college and office environments where they're liable to be judged for so much as one "inappropriate touch"...the mixed messages are practically vertigo-inducing.) My sensibilities are basically libertarian. But sexual activity by students in a public high school building is not to be hand-waved aside as if the place were an after-hours nightclub for adults with proof of ID.
"if CHILDREN are involved in crimes, they are afforded privacy."
Yeah, within the controllable boundaries of the courts and the news media. But the CHILDREN cajoled or intimidated into public sex acts- including by their "partners" of minor status- are often NOT afforded privacy in their social environments; word has a way of getting out among their teenage peers. Far and wide. Sometimes there are even photos, or video. Which also has a way of encouraging silence on the part of those participants whose "consent" was actually to some extent coerced. We're all someone's "children", by the way. The word "children" is not a synonym for "fresh-faced innocent."
I'll concede that it's questionable how much the issue of (the lack of) disciplinary standards in the public schools has to do with the responsibilities and priorities of the office of Governor. But neither side's campaign particularly distinguished itself in this race, as illustrated by the McAuliffe ads that sought to portray Glenn Youngkin as if he were Steve Bannon in a fleece vest. Both sides can claim that they're simply drawing broad comparisons that highlight contrasting political leanings, in that field of political discourse that clings so fervently to being reduced to a contest between Blue and Red. I don't find either side convincing, but undoubtedly some voters did, given the jejune political climate established by those game rules.
"important stories like...Critical Race Theory"
Critical Race Theory is important..? Wh, what?
"And parents of young daughters do NOT want their girls raped in the school bathroom by a dude in a skirt"
Good God, there's a LOT to unpack here.
First, it's obscene that you would imply that wanting people to use gender-affirming bathrooms means you want children raped.
Second, that's not what happened in the Loudoun case. It keeps getting bandied about that this kid, who is by all accounts a violent offender, was able to stealth his way into the bathroom because he was wearing a skirt. Nope. Not the case. He had a preexisting consensual relationship with her. Allegedly, he met her at her own invitation THEN he raped her. That has NOTHING to do with gender.
Third, unfortunately, this case was mishandled, but if CHILDREN are involved in crimes, they are afforded privacy. It seems like this was an extreme case that got mishandled and is the perfect intersection of where our culture is right now.
Using it as a case-in-point or synecdoche for our entire society and gender relations is at best lazy, and at worst, playing to the cheap seats to repackage transphobia. You're basic and weak. Fuck off, Jenny.
A passionate defense of child rape.
No one is “phobic.” They’re sick of the lies and bullshit you’ve been spewing and the consequences will be severe. Severe.
Sevender Severe?
Again, how am I defending child rape? I abhor that. No one should be raped.
What are the lies and bullshit?
And they will be severe? What does that mean? Please be explicit. Unless, of course, that's the point because you mean to imply something that, if stated outright, would constitute a threat or hate speech. Am I wrong about that?
The lie that Trans Women are Women. Intersex is a true objectively factual reality, but the denial of the 5M years of the homo.sapiens biological sexual binary is not. The female sex is not determined by "feelings," it is determined by the sperm cell that fertilizes a woman's egg. #Science
Yes. I, too, support science. Did you know they're still updating the DSM? They're up to V. What was the last one you read?
I am a mother and grandmother deeply concerned about school safety. I am not afraid of anyone.
I am also a sexual abuse victim who has been gang raped several times.
The perps mother stuck up for him in this Daily Mail report:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10156749/Mother-skirt-wearing-teen-raped-female-classmate-says-identifies-male.html
She said some really interesting things.
Like,
"What is the end game on this?' she added. 'My son's going to be going on the sexual registry and be committed to Meghan's Law for the rest of his life because he had 15-year-old hormones."
No lady, your son is an obvious menace to society and he is going to be locked up for his predatory ways.
As much as I ache for her and the bad choices of her son, I am much more concerned about the girls father being called a domestic terrorist and the heavy handed response from the authorities.
I believe it was this side of the story that rankled all parents.
It’s become a battle of how abhorrently unconscionable acts people are willing to rationalize to prove allegiance to a political party… until they become victims of what they’ve rationalized.And even then , many will still blame the “ other side”.Mocking a rape victim speaks volumes.
It has been such a polarizing time. I hope we can all get back to being Americans sooner than later.
I'm deeply sorry for your past victimization. That's awful.
Sure. I can accept that. I had a family member murdered, and the murderer's mother was the same way. Unfortunately, I think the tendency to see the best side of their child is the protective maternal instinct taken to the extreme.
Can we please separate the crime, which is awful, from the trans community and the use of gender affirming restrooms, which has not resulted in any increase in sexual violence?
Lily,
I can understand how frustrated the trans community must feel being unfairly attached to this nationwide story.
I do not hate or judge anyone. I especially do not hate the troubled child abusing girls.
I look at him and his mother and think there but for the grace…
None of us have this figured out. I do appreciate your passion and your words.
We have to keep the lines of communication open and I know eventually we will create a safe nationwide scholastic environment for all children.
I appreciate you saying that. I hope you are right, but please, while I know it will grate against the community you speak to, try to avoid language like "And parents of young daughters do NOT want their girls raped in the school bathroom by a dude in a skirt." I mean, yes, that premise is true, but it gets misconstrued and helps reinforce close minded narratives. Look no further than the comments that followed mine about how the consequences for being trans "will be severe." That's screwed up.
The resistance to letting trans people into girl's bathrooms isn't a broad brush indictment of the trans community as likely rapist. Far from it. The resistance is to opening the door to girl's bathrooms to all _men_. The men/boys most eager to go through that door are the predators. How can we tell a true trans girl apart from a predator man/boy? If you know the answer to that, please share it with us.
But, that doesn't follow. The boy (I say boy because he has not been identified otherwise) in this particular case entered the bathroom BEFORE the LGBT-friendly bathroom policy was even in effect, so... there's nothing preventing people from entering bathrooms to right rightnow. Why do we have to jump through these hoops to prove we are what we say we are?
I'm always perplexed when I learn that the tag "WOMEN" on the door is actually stopping predators.
It absolutely was blown up by conservative media. I watched it happen.
Many people are wondering how the story would have played in the media if a maga hat wearing teen boy had raped a girl in the womens rest room.
I believe we both know the answer to that question.
As for the coverup by the school district and the media, I believe it is the overall lying and treatment of the girls dad that is still the main story.
Can we just compromise and have our rapists wear MAGA skirts?
Deal.
Chuckling...
Oh, you again
Yikes
"First, it's obscene that you would imply that wanting people to use gender-affirming bathrooms means you want children raped."
I agree that the crucial issue there is not gender-flexible bathroom policy. But the perpetrator of the rape was already a known offender who was allowed to transfer to a different school rather than being expelled, and that's a clear indication that Virginia schools have slipshod policies toward discipline that even extend to students who perpetrate blatant transgressions of basic standards of social conduct.
Compare that case with the recent phenomenon of resort to preemptive suspensions and expulsions of college students that have resulted simply on the basis of an accusation of sexual assault that isn't proven or admitted.
Also, at least some of us are dismayed by another frequent feature of the conversations about this event: the implicitly expressed laissez-faire attitude, in regard to couples appropriating school bathrooms during open school hours in order to engage in sexual acts, as long as both parties are "consenting." At least some of us find that attitude of passive assent to be not just an awfully slippery slope, but a telling indication that disciplinary standards in regard to the social environment in the high schools have already gone completely over the edge. What is someone who walks in to witness two students actively engaged in a sex act to do- give them the benefit of the doubt? Simply go about their business, using the adjoining facilities? At some point, lines need to be drawn between the mission of public high schools as learning environments for teenagers, and the opportunity for students to take advantage of a lack of enforcement of standards for social conduct- and the legal privileges of "juvenile" status- to convert a school building into a porno fantasyland environment for their personal gratification. (After which, presumably, some of those who act on that impulse may well find themselves in college and office environments where they're liable to be judged for so much as one "inappropriate touch"...the mixed messages are practically vertigo-inducing.) My sensibilities are basically libertarian. But sexual activity by students in a public high school building is not to be hand-waved aside as if the place were an after-hours nightclub for adults with proof of ID.
"if CHILDREN are involved in crimes, they are afforded privacy."
Yeah, within the controllable boundaries of the courts and the news media. But the CHILDREN cajoled or intimidated into public sex acts- including by their "partners" of minor status- are often NOT afforded privacy in their social environments; word has a way of getting out among their teenage peers. Far and wide. Sometimes there are even photos, or video. Which also has a way of encouraging silence on the part of those participants whose "consent" was actually to some extent coerced. We're all someone's "children", by the way. The word "children" is not a synonym for "fresh-faced innocent."
I'll concede that it's questionable how much the issue of (the lack of) disciplinary standards in the public schools has to do with the responsibilities and priorities of the office of Governor. But neither side's campaign particularly distinguished itself in this race, as illustrated by the McAuliffe ads that sought to portray Glenn Youngkin as if he were Steve Bannon in a fleece vest. Both sides can claim that they're simply drawing broad comparisons that highlight contrasting political leanings, in that field of political discourse that clings so fervently to being reduced to a contest between Blue and Red. I don't find either side convincing, but undoubtedly some voters did, given the jejune political climate established by those game rules.