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TheClearThinker's avatar

They are actually Marxist-Leninists in clown clothing. They are paper tigers but will push their agendas until Americans(see Loudon County VA school board coup) and hopefully Canadians wake the fuck up.

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Slightly Lucid's avatar

If they were Marxists, you would be enjoying public health care. Words actually mean things.

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DMC's avatar

I dont know if I would be enjoying but yes we'd be getting it.

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mezzrow's avatar

Good and hard.

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DMC's avatar

I was going to say that but I stopped my self, thought it was too much. Thanks for completing it.

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Bootsorourke's avatar

Exactly.

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Bob Morris's avatar

Marxists are not without their faults, but they do recognize class divide. These clowns think class divide is an excuse to not talk about whatever "ism" or "phobia" comes along.

They would correctly be called collectivists, particularly in terms of how one should think.

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Shelley's avatar

Public health care is what I call Medicare, Medicaid and ObamaCare. So yeah, we have it already.

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Slightly Lucid's avatar

I live in the EU. Doctors make house calls. Of course the neolibs are trying to privatize it and starve the ntl health care in a tub, but I would NEVER move back to the US based on health care alone. And I have the reds to thank!

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Lynne Morris's avatar

Stay there.

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Shelley's avatar

Don't ever move if you want house calls! I have a relative in England and he has now waited over two years for a surgery he needs.

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bestuvall's avatar

still waiting for that house call no doubt

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Slightly Lucid's avatar

Shelley - this isnтАЩt because the NHS is bad, but because Johnson and his friends are defunding the system in order to convince the people to privatize it. Worse, Brexit purged tons of NHS workers, doctors, nurses. Also, he might тАЬneedтАЭ the surgery, but the triage system is currently backed up. People who need surgery so they donтАЩt die get it immediately.

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Shelley's avatar

It is never a good idea to take a system, any system, down until its replacement is up and running. This would be quite a task with a health care system.

A health care system should be run by doctors and nurses in clinics and hospital like it was when I was born and stayed until Congress started doing the biding of their sponsors.

Those that wanted insurance paid for it and it was affordable because it was like car insurance.

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Shelley's avatar

I might add a simple reflective point - what the government gives it can take away. Best to leave all important things out of the reach of government.

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Bootsorourke's avatar

Nah. Sucked before Johnson

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Heidi Kulcheski's avatar

Don't come to Canada either- where euthanizing you because you can't get timely treatment is now a common occurrence.

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Bootsorourke's avatar

To me itтАЩs a nightmare to think I couldnтАЩt pick my own dr.

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Lynne Morris's avatar

They are capitalist Marxists. Who think putting third-party for-profit entities in charge of health-care is a workable option. It simply does not get more assinine.

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Joy Ramsey's avatar

Healthcare (free or affordable for all) should be recognized as a human right world-wide.

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Lynne Morris's avatar

That would be nice. But we do not inhabit either a perfect world or a utopia. And healthcare by algorithm, whether a government one or a for-profit insurance corporation one, is not. If it is a government one it is about equitable distribution of service as opposed to the need of the individual patient. If it is a for-profit insurance corporation one it is about profit. And this notion being lauded in the States that the young people must sign up (contribute to the profits) to bear the costs is akin to Social Security and anyone with firing neurons sees the collapse of that coming despite the pretzel twisting of the economy to make it work. I am not opposed to acknowledging problems. I am definitely opposed to ill-conceived fixes. Can you say unintended consequences? The idea that government can fix our problems, much less satisfy our wants and needs, is a fairy-tale.

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TheClearThinker's avatar

If they were Marxists, with the kind of power they like, we would be dead.

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Deidre K's avatar

Many freely admit they are Marxist. Communism does not happen over night. There is a long March to implement the ideology. Especially in a country that used to value free speech and liberty. Many of us still due. This is their great reset to a globalist world run by the few. I would say it is slightly different than the Russian or Chinese revolutions but the basics are the same. Add in some fascism by collaborating with corporations and voila.

They are not trying to save democracy (who even knows what that word means to them)

They change definitions daily by their brute force by minions or activists(again whatтАЩs the difference?) we must all adhere to their lies.

Take control of energy

Take control of the means of production

Take control of money

Take control of water

Take control over food production

Take control over information

Take control over our health

Take control over our education

Take control over our morality

Take control over elections

Wake up that is not democracy.

It is communism-fascism-totalitarianism-oligarchy-socialism-despotic.

It makes the rest of us slaves to their will.

Wake up

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Hrothgar Pedersen's avatar

"The basics are the same"? The Maoist and Leninist revolutions were barely even the same. The economic situation in America isn't remotely comparable, what are you talking about?

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JGP's avatar

They were very similar in that millions died. Millions. Maybe 30M in Russia and maybe 65M in China. I have read higher numbers for both but that's about the average in the historical literature that I have access to. Those lefties are very good at death.

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Hrothgar Pedersen's avatar

... 30 million died in the Russian Revolution?

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Outis's avatar

Geez! Okay! Let's say that "potentially tens of millions" were killed in that the low estimate is that "just" seven million people were killed in the Russian Revolution. The real action of course came later as the killing had just begun.

Funny too how you didn't balk at the estimate for, as they call it, the "unnecessary deaths" under Mao. Between the Cultural Revolution and the Great Leap Forward, I've heard a broad range of estimates and 65 million is in the middle.

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Susan Mercurio's avatar

They don't know. Many Americans love to throw terms around that they don't use with the actual meaning. They are just expressions that stand in for "something I have been taught to hate." Examples of these terms: "feminism," "socialism," "communism," "the left," etc.

None of the people employing them could give you the dictionary definition.

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Outis's avatar

One of the reasons I was drawn to more technical subjects is the precision and verifiability afforded by disciplines like mathematics and physics.

One of the key weaknesses of subjects like "feminism", "socialism", "communism" or terms like "the left" is that they are intrinsically nebulous and difficult to define (also please note the position of the commas in relation to the quotation marks -- you had pointed a grammatical error on my part recently).

For instance, can you provide a definition of any of these terms in one sentence?

In my youth, I was briefly attracted to leftist politics until I determined that the signal-to-noise ratio was remarkably low. Lots of calls for change and "tearing down the system" but little in the way of specifics as to what would be the replacement. I'm not saying there's no room for improvement, just that it often seems that the loudest people calling for change tend to crap out when pinned to provide details.

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Tucker Chisholm's avatar

Well obviously all intelligent people start off their essays by saying тАЬthe WebsterтАЩs dictionary defines word X as тАЬblah blah blahтАЭ. So yea anybody not citing dictionary definitions must be really stupid

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Susan Mercurio's avatar

Well, at the risk of being thought an intelligent person, the reason why people ask for a definition of terms is to establish that they are even discussing the same subject.

If you don't know what "socialism" or "socialist" is, you could be talking about anything your imagination can dream up. No one can have a rational discussion with you. Assuming that you are interested in rational ideas. Possibly you're just interested in being a demagogue.

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Lynne Morris's avatar

No. We are too well armed and they know it.

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Roger B's avatar

A lot of people call themselves тАЬChristiansтАЭ but have little they actually share with the precepts of Christianity. The same is true with the political theories of Marxism. Calling yourself such-and-such doesnтАЩt actually mean you are that, or that you even understand what the term means.

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DaveL's avatar

Crappy public health care. Which is identical to what we have here.

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Slightly Lucid's avatar

Dave- I live in Tuscany. I used to live in California, and had really good insurance. My health care here is better by every measure- except the waiting rooms arenтАЩt so cushy as they are in Pacific Heights. However, the wait times to see my doc are WAY shorter, and I never have to argue with my insurance company about tests or meds. My doc says I need it, sheтАЩs the final word.

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Jonathan's avatar

I wasn't aware Marxists had taken control of Italy. When does this happen?

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Slightly Lucid's avatar

Marxism and Marxism is only a slur and a dirty word in the US. Here, there are streets and schools named for him. The Italian resistance was made up, primarily, of Marxists. ( Another American myth is that the US freed Italy all on its own, and the Italians did nothing to fight the fascists ) All this aside, yes.... we CAN vote for commies, socialists, dem socialists, and as we have a parliamentary system they do have some sway. More post war than now as a result of the neoliberal swine that are rapidly dismantling the commons globally.

Those of you who are oddly convinced that public / national health doesnтАЩt тАЬworkтАЭ - it works fine. ItтАЩs being radically and rapidly defunded by the same rat bastards who have destroyed US health care - mostly the lobbyists who work for private equity. When your here stories about wait times etc, itтАЩs because some capitalist bastards have bought off the politicians.

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Susan Mercurio's avatar

Are you an American citizen? Because in that case, it wouldn't be surprising that you don't know anything about what is going on in another country.

If you knew anything about Italian history, you would know that Marxism has always had a chance on the ballot

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Thunder Road's avatar

Exactly. Because people who don't live in America know all about other countries. Right Susan? Right? They do, don't they???

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Susan Mercurio's avatar

Yes, I do think that people who live in other countries know more about what is going on in the world than Americans. We are awfully self-absorbed.

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Thunder Road's avatar

Maybe in some small number of other countries. Certainly not all. Not by a long shot. It's a luxury most can't afford.

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Susan Mercurio's avatar

I think that you don't know much about what is going on in other countries.

American exceptionalism

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Thunder Road's avatar

I think you have not the slightest idea who I am nor much idea of what goes on outside your first world western bubble.

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Jonathan's avatar

I know plenty about Italy! Some would say itтАЩs an aging tourist trap with a dismal future, but in fact itтАЩs one of my favorite colonies: it has some of the best Italian food to be found anywhere.

And no, Italy is *not* Marxist. Such a strange non sequitur, тАЬhad a chance on the ballotтАжтАЭ lol

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Slightly Lucid's avatar

You are pretty ignorant Jonathan. Yes, we DO have communist parties.

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Jonathan's avatar

I didnтАЩt say you didnтАЩt. I said Italy was not Marxist. See the difference? You know, тАЬwords matterтАЭ and all that.

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JGP's avatar

Don't ever think Canada has better. Signed, a Canadian

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Scott's avatar

Enjoying Public Health Care? The system in which those with means still go to the head of the line but GenPop gets rationed care! No thanks

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Bill Jarett's avatar

From your State assigned Government housing huvel.

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JimmerNegamanee's avatar

I'm cool with neo-communofascist elites

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Susan Mercurio's avatar

You wouldn't know a Marxist-Leninist if you debated one on a stage

American liberals or "progressives" (they're not) are the furthest thing from Marxism-Leninism. And you display your ignorance of that form of economic system by making that claim.

Those people are what Catherine Liu defines as "the Professional-Managerial Class" and they are deeply embedded in the capitalist system that works so well for them.

Please go to the library and do some research on Marxism-Leninism. At this time, you are using that phrase to stand in for "something I have been taught to hate," not a valid definition of the term.

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Mforti's avatar

They're neo-Marxists/cultural Marxists/Frankfurt School Marxists. Still Marxists or under the family of Marxist systems in the same way that Marx was a Hegelian. Progressives have just changed the groups considered oppresed from proletariat to minorities.

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Daren Sweeney's avatar

Marxist leninists? Are u kidding? Their raisin detre is to uphold an oligarchy run by Martha's Vineyard elites for the profit of the Martha's Vineyard elites.

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russell b's avatar

School board coup? Did that happen before or after they elected a dude that swore in on a stack of kiddie porn

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Hrothgar Pedersen's avatar

More like the Clear Smoker

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