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VanishingTribe's avatar

What a terrible trauma the Democrats have wreaked on innocent people in their zeal to hold onto power by any means necessary. We always say, "Yeah, but nothing will be done about it." Let's hope this time, the team assembled by Trump to specifically DO SOMETHING about it, will succeed. If not, America is done.

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flyoverdriver's avatar

What is being called for here is what is well known in academic circles as transitional justice, a series of actions to “do something” after a democracy succeeds a dictatorship. Trials, truth commissions, lustration (forbidding complicit officials in past lawfare/repression from holding public office again) are all part of the toolkit. If we are to break the power of the Democratic Party-aligned security state quasi-dictatorship that bared itself the last 8-10 years and restore the rule of law, then these policies will be necessary.

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GMT1969's avatar

Sad thing is that the MSM will continue to carry water for the establishment. They will hawk stories that the investigations are false.

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Jerri Hinojosa's avatar

Some of them published classified information leaked to them. Include them in early investigations and convene grand juries to investigate these crimes. They may not be so open to publishing any propaganda they receive from any politician in the future. They may, as institutions, revive some journalistic standards.

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Elizabeth's avatar

Absolutely Jerri. There is no doubt that the new administration will use all available legal tools to sever the deviant chumming between government and media that both have become accustomed to. Each will have to finally do their jobs without the venal aid from the other. I know my hopes are high, but I’m all in on forging on and pulling all the bad weeds.

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EndOfTheRoad's avatar

Interestingly if RFKjr can push through a ban on pharma advertising directly to consumer, something not directly related to Russiagate, the MSM will be obliterated almost overnight. Big pharma is a massive portion of their revenues.

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Patrick's avatar

Side effects include massive stroke, heart attack, exploding diarrhea, and self-inflicted blunt force trauma.

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Tom Cashman's avatar

Of course they will, but fewer and fewer people will believe them. Look at how irrelevant they are becoming…

As the old English expression goes: “when you’re in a ‘ole, stop diggin.”

They just refuse to put down their shovels.

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david's avatar

Their vessels have gotten significantly smaller over the past 4 years and, in a sane world, will shrink into oblivion.

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Clark Venable's avatar

If one wanted to learn more about the phenomenon of transitional justice, where would you point them? This is very interesting to me. Thank you for that post.

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flyoverdriver's avatar

Here is a (I think) free version of an academic review of the topic from 2010: https://www.scribd.com/document/178807932/annurev-2Epolisci-2E040108-2E110013

The book “Radical Evil on Trial” (1996) by Carlos Nino, a legal scholar who designed one of the most innovative transitional justice policies of the 20th century, is also good.

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Brian Katz's avatar

Thank you, Nuremberg too.

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Grape Soda's avatar

Chile transitioned from Pinochet by exposing the extrajudicial murders and torture that had happened during his regime. It took a while for those who had looked the other way to admit that those things had taken place. The most important aspect of that transition was the official acknowledgment that the wrongs had indeed happened. It was necessary for both perps and victims to know they are seen.

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Brian Katz's avatar

Interesting.

Transitional justice.

I’ll do more reading for sure.

Syria today could benefit from this.

But their society likely isn’t sophisticated enough.

We shall see.

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Joe Hubris's avatar

Syria may have only transitioned from one brutal dictatorship to another. We shall see.

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Brian Katz's avatar

I agree.

But for now, the money flow is cut off from Iran into the area and all of the Syrian weapons have been destroyed.

What concerns me Turkey.

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Don Reed's avatar

12/10/24: In NYC, it was the black KKK leader Bragg who tried (and failed) to lynch Daniel Penny. The Democrats (wrong name!) in WDC for four years have done the same thing to America, and to a horrifying extent, have succeeded. How can this be reversed and repaired? How can the past victims of the Biden Crime Family Syndicate / Pelosi / Schumer / Schiff / Wray / Garland / Mayorkas / DEI Pentagon / Fauci / Mainstream Media's pervasive and lethal corruption be compensated?

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trembo slice's avatar

Watching Fauci be sentenced to death will make me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

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George Cornell's avatar

Whoa there. Fauci is one of the top 10 most cited scientists in the world. I worked with him in NYC. He was scrupulously honest and decent. Are you sure your murderous stance isn’t a product of scurrilous misinformation?

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ptb's avatar

That may have been the case when you knew him. But his actions during Covid wreaked havoc and likely because he was acting in self-interest. Protecting his actions in illicit support of gain-of-function research with Wuhan.

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George Cornell's avatar

As suspected. Covid did not originate in Wuhan. See this week’s Nature and the Laotian bat story which actually does contain the closest link. This makes the gain of function story moot. And look at all other gain of function research. How did you get to where you are on this? The story you desire seemingly is full of holes. Note how it’s never made it through peer review in a top journal.

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ResistWeMuch's avatar

you mean it wasn't psyop approved? keep on anal-chugging for the oppressors

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DarkSkyBest's avatar

"Like."

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Pacificus's avatar

Bunk. The scientific establishment has zero--zero--credibility on this. But there will be a whole gang of people pushing lies to cover their collective asses. With you helping them.

"Peer review": that's when some people with advanced degrees people validate the flawed work of other people with advanced degrees. I know how this game works, I've been in it for decades. It's all about jobs, grants, and publications. Scientific truth is, at best, a distant fourth.

"Top journal" huh? You mean like The Lancet, that famously came out early on in the pandemic and attacked anyone who deviated form the party line? That sort of "top journal"?

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feldspar's avatar

What "position" do you play when playing the "game?"

Curious.

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JD's avatar

I haven't yet read the above articles. From the start, everyone identified Wuhan as ground zero. Coincidentally, a lab only a few miles away was adding function to make base viruses find a friendly home in humans. The spike protein happened to be perfectly engineered for it. It had never been naturally created. Arriving at one with enough similarity to a naturally occurring one in order to develop a vaccine seemed like trying to find a needle in a haystack 5 miles into a cave covered in batshit. And the risks....

Comparing the two theories at the beginning pointed to a lab leak out of logic if nothing else. Yet Fauci ignored early evidence lending credibility to a lab leak. He had tremendous skin in the game, having funded it. Magically, a story appears in, yes, nature that claimed to debunk the lab theory when prevailing evidence indicated otherwise

Our government, including Fauci, and msm, big tech, etc used the piece to not just control narrative. They banned anyone from saying otherwise. In a free speech country. I guess that's what all good scientists do, right?

Fauci lied about masks. Which btw have holes hundreds of times larger than the virus molecule. A 5 year old understands chain link fences don't stop misquote. Yet our top 10 scientist successfully embedded the opposite, outright mandating a useless piece of cloth. He brainwashed half the population in the process

He lied about school closures. He lied about the danger to kids. He lied about the effectiveness of the vaccine. It would be easier to list the things he didn't lie about

He was on TV everyday. It was the most important thing in the world. Science speaks!

Now that someone questions him, gosh he really can't recall when he found out about it. Hmmm, not sure who signed off on the funding. Yeah, I don't really know that guy in North Carolina

Quoting Hillary, at this point what difference does it make!?

That's what we get from our smartest and brightest, who get to fuck up royally with no consequence

I'm glad you had a good experience with him. The American people clearly haven't, and we deserve to know everything about perhaps the world's biggest disaster. And I'm not in a very forgiving mood

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feldspar's avatar

The Black Death was bigger and nastier and they had rats and fleas and black carbuncles and shit.

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CuriousGeorge's avatar

Did not originate in Wuhan except that it did. I don't trust the rag Nature any more than I trust Fauci, who lied again and again to the American people in order to manipulate them into following drastic government mandates that soaked up trillions in borrowed taxpayer money.

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Don Reed's avatar

12/11/24: George, you are hilarious. Take a bow.

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Rose's avatar

Anthony Fauci may be a "top cited scientist" - but that is most assuredly because of the purse strings he controls, as he is not a brilliant scientist. He also is neither honest nor decent. I say this after observing his actions during the AIDS years and during the COVID years and then observing the truth finally come to the surface. Fauci is remarkably dishonest, and likely a criminal. RFK,jr has written 2 books, both meticulously footnoted, that describe the monster known as Anthony Fauci. Read "The Real Anthony Fauci" and "The Wuhan Cover-Up" for the truth about this man; I fear you are the one who's seriously misinformed.

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George Cornell's avatar

He was the gold medallist in his med school class at Cornell if that helps. Purse holding came late and was in recognition of his scrupulous honesty. Shame on you.

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Mark Blair's avatar

With respect, George, I lost trust in Dr. Fauci almost immediately when he went on TV and said N95 masks wouldn't help ordinary people, and that they should be donated to hospitals.

He admitted this was a "noble lie". Another case of which is when he self-admittedly made up the percentages of vaccination required to achieve herd immunity. He kept raising the percentages to encourage further vaccination.

And these two are just the lies he's admitted to.

One problem with Dr Fauci is that he is willing to look you in the face on TV and lie to you, in what he perceives to be the interests of Public Health. He believes that he can divine the "public good" and is willing to deceive the public in pursuit of it.

But his approach is counterproductive. He destroyed trust in Public Health using these techniques. I'll never trust anything he says again, without verification. So much for that scrupulous honesty.

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Tricia's avatar

Fauci also lied about the COVID death rate, counting people with COVID who died within the same numbers as those who died of COVID.

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George Cornell's avatar

They weren’t lies. They were conventional wisdom which turned out to be incorrect in the paradigm-shifting beast that was Covid. Herd immunity is a a case by case number, influenced by many things, not the least of which is infectivity.

Why do you people want to make error , common in science, into malice? It’s inappropriate.

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michele burns's avatar

It was never “conventional wisdom” that thin open weave cloth masks prevent disease. Come on, buddy….if you got no game just bow out.

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Mark Blair's avatar

He admitted the masking and the shifting of the herd immunity numbers were noble lies to encourage public action.

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feldspar's avatar

I'll answer that one: Because they're malicious assholes.

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Pacificus's avatar

And shame on you for carrying the water for the American Dr Mengele. But I'm sure you will be rewarded in some way or another for your loyal service to the not-so-good doctor.

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Don Reed's avatar

12/13/24: Amen.

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CuriousGeorge's avatar

When the CDC recorded "covid deaths" they included death WITH covid as well as deaths FROM covid which exaggerated the number of covid deaths. Another way to manipulate the country into going along with the control freaks. I don't care what kind of medals Fauci won in college, calling him scrupulously honest is a joke. He quoted the CDCs covid deaths number often in his propaganda

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George Cornell's avatar

It’s more complicated than that. Even what’s placed on a death certificate is subjective to a substantial degree and can be influenced by pressure from institutional reps among others. It may well be that the pressure can be well-intentioned when vaccine uptake is feeble, but the road to hell….. Enter Big Pharma with tens of billions at stake.

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CuriousGeorge's avatar

Stop trying to water things down. What goes on a death certificate is not that complicated. If someone has a heart attack and dies, that's what caused the death. "Pressure from institutional reps"....what does that even mean? That administrators pressure people to not code cancer deaths and deaths?

The covid death numbers are wrong for a simple reason.

I know two nurses (one in the ER, one in ICU) who told me, during 2020, that every single death was coded as a covid death, regardless of actual cause, because the government was paying something like $3,500 for each covid case, this includes deaths. They had a financial incentive to do so. Why? Why not just subsidize the hospital in general instead of incentivizing them to report deaths as covid deaths?

I asked one of the nurses how many were incorrectly coded, he was uncomfortable and would not answer at first, but finally said "at least 40%". He told me of someone who came in with trauma from a motorcycle wreck who died from his injuries. Death certificate says "death from covid" even though he was never tested for covid.

The government (maybe the CDC) did research in late 2021 or 2022 to find out "true" covid deaths by going to hospitals. It is no surprise that these hospitals refused to give any information on incorrect death certificates, so the CDC basically says the Covid death numbers were "confirmed".

This is the true story. Covid virus is simply an engineered version of a flu or cold virus. If the actual covid deaths were closer to 500k instead of the reported 1m, that's basically a very heavy flu year which kills upwards of 300k.

Would the public have allowed a country wide shut down over a heavy flu year?

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George Cornell's avatar

You accuse me of watering things down, then do precisely that. You illustrate why the numbers are so flawed.

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feldspar's avatar

RFK Jr is a fuckin' crazy person---that's about it.

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George Cornell's avatar

Give me one example of dishonesty, but remember hindsight is 20/20 and both HIV and Covid were novel and paradigm-changing.

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JD's avatar

I intended to respond to this comment but mistakenly put it above. See? It's OK to admit mistakes. The covid fiasco contained a pacific ocean's worth. We're left empty handed while the covid celeb retires to a comfortable life with a Christmas collection of bobble heads

Obviously you know him. I don't. He seems like a great cocktail party guest. He may believe he did everything he could. Putting the orgin mess, the 6 foot rule (preventing loved ones from visiting dying parents), etc aside, he had a direct conflict of interest- a massive one- and he didn't disclose it despite acting as covid narrative setter. That alone is highly unethical and dishonest. That's all the rest of have to go on

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George Cornell's avatar

This is my field , generally speaking. Every time something comes along which changes the paradigm, “experts” get egg on their face. And so it was with Covid. Most scientific reasoning is by analogy and the analogy here was with flu where direct contact was shown to be the main route of spread. Here it was respiratory droplets, unforeseen. So all you give me is his honest but erroneous, well-intentioned and somewhat fact-based advice. There’s no dishonesty.

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Pacificus's avatar

The dishonesty occurred by Fauci's insistence that his view was correct and unchallengeable. 'When people attack me, they are attacking science." That's one quote--among many--that didn't age well.

Dr Bhattacharya and others knew early on that the virus spread far quicker than was first thought, and therefore efforts to prevent the spread via lockdowns wasn't going to work. But fascist Fauci shut him and the others down. And neither you nor anybody else is in a position to judge what his "intention" was. Not that it really matters.

"Follow the science," Fauci said. And we did--right off a cliff.

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JD's avatar

Thank you! We went from, "I'm absolute science, you must!.....", to, "Well, that six foot thing was really just something we just ass pulled" without a sliver of self-reflection for the utter destruction wrought by it

One real life example- one of our largest customers, a foreign-based OEM, shut down American production for six months to retool manufacturing lines around the six foot rule. It cost them untold millions. Every employee, every supplier and every local stakeholder suffered as a result. We all hated but understood it because science

Surprise! Science was just kidding! No harm, no foul, right?

Plenty of harm, immense foul. Maddening doesn't begin to describe it. We all go over the cliff. These pricks get a golden parachute; we get the shower. Eff everyone of them

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George Cornell's avatar

They did not ‘know”. They may have been right on that occasion.

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CuriousGeorge's avatar

It was Fauci's job to be on the leading edge of finding out and being "right". We now see research that was confirming in the early months of the pandemic what Fauci eventually admitted to years later. By June much of this was known but Fauci and the rest kept pontificating and lecturing us with the same "fact" for most of 2020 and into 2021.

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CuriousGeorge's avatar

1. Cloth masks will stop the spread.

2. Six feet separation will stop

The spread.

3. The vaccines are perfectly safe

4. The vaccines will protect you from getting covid again

5. The vaccines will stop the spread

6. Covid did not come from Wuhan lab

7. The US did not fund the Wuhan lab

I could go on

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Pacificus's avatar

Scrupulously honest? Guess you forgot about him lying to Congress about funding Gain of Function research. And no, that is not "scurrilous misinformation."

Anybody who climbs to the top of the DC bureaucratic totem pole the way Fauci did is, by definition, not "scrupulously honest."

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feldspar's avatar

"Totem Pole?" Doesn't work metaphorically. Bureaucrats, whether scrupulously honest or not, most always use ladders when climbing to the "top."

To be a successful careerist one must step "over" other competitors incrementally to get to the "top." Shimmying solo up a First Nation odoodem you take the risk of being confused for a grasping social climber, not a serious careerist.

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George Cornell's avatar

I doubt very much if it was a lie. What is funded is so vast and so detailed I’d bet he simply didn’t know. Most of us couldn’t recall the details of any specific proposal a few weeks after the review panels meet. You’re way off base here. Why?

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CuriousGeorge's avatar

If he didn't know what he was funding he should not be in that position. Gain of function research is very dangerous

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George Cornell's avatar

You’re very obviously an outsider who refuses to listen to those who are familiar with the dynamics, but pontificate on gain of function and your perception of its danger. Covid very likely arose as do other pandemics via spontaneous mutation in the wild. The bat relative coronaviruses strongly point in thst direction. See Nature and Laotian bats where the key spike protein developed. But I note you provide no data or insight.

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George Cornell's avatar

Where did the CDC say that and what evidence did they give? As for your “virologists”, all grandstanding for their funding via State Dept approval, you just run their BS past a non-conflicted academic.

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CuriousGeorge's avatar

"Very likely rose"

I guess the CIA is wrong, I guess all of the virologists who've come out in the past year on the side of the lab leak are wrong. I guess the CDC itself is wrong when it says there is evidence of the lab leak.

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trembo slice's avatar

He also controls the purse and scientists must bow to receive funding. If what I believe occurred with COVID has occurred the man deserves to be executed for crimes against humanity. We don’t know 100% for sure, the media being absolutely useless doesn’t help.

He granted funding to EcoHealth. They conduct GOF research at a shoddy lab in China. Incidental (or possibly intentional) release of manifested pathogen. MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ACROSS THE GLOBE DIE (this is why he must be executed for crimes against humanity). He runs cover for himself all the while being treated like a celebrity (this is why his death will make me smile).

Or maybe not… I vote for unleashing fruit flies on him after we remove his vocal cords. What you call murderous stance I call the demands of Justice.

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Don Reed's avatar

12/10/24: Your succinct sarcasm is duly noted.

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George Cornell's avatar

Dr. Mengele? Take a cold shower.

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Don Reed's avatar

12/10/24: Life. Do not create a martyr.

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Bonnie Blodgett's avatar

Wonder what Caputo thinks, having worked for HHS during the pandemic.

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Don Reed's avatar

12/10/24: We shall soon find out.

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Grape Soda's avatar

First we Americans must understand what kind of government we really have and how it operates. This didn’t come out of nowhere. It was merely the levers of government turned inward on domestic politics. Our dirty tricks go back a long way.

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JD Free's avatar

We have an entire political party in America dedicated to domestic terrorism, and while they controlled our executive branch, the FBI et al declared that by definition, only the opposing party could be guilty of domestic terrorism.

A lot needs fixing.

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Don Reed's avatar

12/10/24: Perfectly stated.

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ResistWeMuch's avatar

if they are not held to account for their crimes against the people they will be back and worse than ever. it is a moral and ethical responsibility to hold them accountable for those that come after. how can we leave such a mess for the future generations.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Trump should do something about it but he won't. How far did "lock her up!" go?

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Pacificus's avatar

Feral, while "lock her up" was heard at Trump rallies, Trump never said he would do so, and in fact, as president, did not pursue charges against her.

I like most of what you put out here, but I do think you might need a Trump Derangement Syndrome PCR test. You seem a tad symptomatic.

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Bruce Miller's avatar

Trump did not do so in his first term, which was the right thing to do. But now, that the plot has been revealed, don't assume the same for the second term.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Trump did comment to HRC at one of the 2016 debates that she'd be in prison.

Even taking what you wrote as given, Trump certainly did nothuing to dissuade the idea that he was going to press charges.

As far as Trump goes - I try to call balls and strikes. He is what he is.

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Pacificus's avatar

C'mon Feral, Trump's debate comment was a flippant response to Hillary's comment on his "temperament." Grammar police: "You'd be in jail" is a subjunctive mode, not imperative. It was a hypothetical, not a promise.

Yes, you can call balls and strikes on Trump, but in doing so, you must remember the first principle: Take Trump seriously but not always literally. If you watch much baseball, you know that the umps don't always call balls an strikes correctly. I think that's the case here.

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Feral Finster's avatar

You really think that Trump was playing lawyer games with words? Are you seriously arguing that this wasn't a threat, like "nice business you got there, shame if it burned down..." isn't clearly a threat.

And he certainly did nothing to discourage the idea that HRC would be (justifiably) locked up.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Trump is a vengeful man I think. We will see.

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Feral Finster's avatar

I haven't seen much evidence of this. Look at Haley, who was a never Trumper in 2016 until Trump won, then she ingratiated herself into his good graces and was named UN Ambassador. From this position, she worked tireless to undermine his stated agenda, until she resigned and spent the rest of the first Trump Administration badmouthing Trump.

Then she ran for President as The Great Neocon Team R Hope in 2020, then was forgiven again.

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JennyStokes's avatar

These people have NO power yet?

We all know Trump plays his games?

IF she makes it.......which I seriously doubt....she will replaced very quickly and then where is she?

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Feral Finster's avatar

I think you may be confusing Nikki Haley with Tulsi Gabbard.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Was Nikki Haley writing on a bomb intended to kill Palestinians in her name??

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Feral Finster's avatar

Haley was. Haley is not at this time a prospective nominee.

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JennyStokes's avatar

I know this so why did you even bring her name up?

I know who Tulsi Gabbard is/I also know she was hounded by the FBI as she travelled accross the USA

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Feral Finster's avatar

Read what I wrote. I mentioned Haley as an example of Trump’s general lack of vindictiveness. He'd do better if he were more vindictive.

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Dennis's avatar

There’s a lot of knee jerking on these sites.

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JennyStokes's avatar

Trump is NOT in power yet.

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badnabor's avatar

It appears you have confused 'thinking' with 'feeling'. To the statement "Trump is a vengeful man", I see more confusion from you. Clearing up the record and one's personal reputation is not in itself vengeful. Some would even say, it's justified.

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Mark Blair's avatar

Trump clearly viewed the 2016 primary as a game, and that sat along with the nonsense about Ted Cruz's dad, etc. He walked back the Hillary stuff immediately and said she suffered enough. He likely still viewed himself as friends with them.

Seems pretty personal now, after they've tried to destroy him with selective justice.

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Feral Finster's avatar

OK, so Trump was doing it all for laffs in 2016, even though he wasn't in the primary stage when he debated Clinton.

Are you sure that this is really the argument you want to make? This is really the guy you've designated as your champion?

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Timothy G McKenna's avatar

would have been a circular firing squad. too much collateral damage - whose hands aren't filthy?

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Don Reed's avatar

12/10/24: He is going to be a relentless hammer. He hears the clock at the age of 78 and every single day counts.

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Feral Finster's avatar

I have seen no evidence of this.

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J. Matthews's avatar

Why do you say that?

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Feral Finster's avatar

Because I haven't seen any evidence, just wishful thinking.

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J. Matthews's avatar

Trump has been appointing cabinet members known to oppose the swamp with alacrity. He's not President yet. What would you expect to see?

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Feral Finster's avatar

Far as I can tell, he's mostly appointed neocons.

We'll see.

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Dennis's avatar

Looks more like a shapeshift from Ukraine to Iran on the way to China.

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Don Reed's avatar

Name one, pray tell.

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badnabor's avatar

While it is true that he is appointing 'neocons', I don't feel this is the same as the 45th administration. He's no dummy and has survived a steep learning curve, under less than ideal circumstances, to arrive at this point in history. From what I've observed, Trump places great value on loyalty (or even fealty). Regardless of appointees labels, I feel that there is a better chance of them doing his bidding this time around. Call me an optimist.

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Julinthecrown's avatar

We have the chance to bring about a new day in America once again.

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Tom High's avatar

America was done when Ford pardoned Nixon.

We’re just playing out the string.

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Shelley's avatar

America was done when JFK was killed. The cabal took out Nixon cause he wouldn't play their game. It took out VP Agnew first so it could install Ford. The trap set for Nixin worked. You believe what you are told to believe.

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Tom High's avatar

As long as we’re in the way back machine, it was when Truman signed the National Security Act.

No wait, before that, Wilson….

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Grape Soda's avatar

This can get to be a bit of a game. You could go further back to the Spanish American war in 1898 as the beginning of imperial America. but yes, Wilson was when shit got real. That administration disrespected free speech and set race relations back, to put it mildly. But our current national security state was created by Truman. Eisenhower was the first enthusiastic user of its covert powers. Whoever planned and executed the JFK killing, powerful people in the USG were able to adequately cover it up, not the least because it helped cement their power. Nixon knew shit but wasn’t their boy. Ford was. Reagan was enough of an outsider that he almost got taken out, but the intel boys found a way to work within his framework. GHWB and the intel boys got another chance at big power on 911, this time to secure hegemony worldwide via the forever war on terror. At home, Americans lost even the right to know what the national security state was up to. IMO

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Pacificus's avatar

Actually, "imperial America" began with the Treaty of Paris in 1783 ending the Revolutionary War. Along with independence, it expanded the claims of the new US to the Mississippi River. And the rest, as they say, is history.

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Shelley's avatar

I see that as a good thing for the people and the future of industry, innovation and prosperity, aside from slavery.

The revolution was not fought because of taxes. It was fought because In the mid-1700s the American Colonies were prospering, in part because they were issuing their own money called "Colonial Scrip," which was strictly regulated and did not require the payment of any interest.

When the bankers in Great Britain heard this, they turned to the British Parliament, which passed a law prohibiting the Colonial Scrip, forcing the colonists to accept the "debt" or "fiat" money* issued by the Bank of England.

According to Benjamin Franklin, it was because "the conditions so reversed that the era of prosperity ended." "The Colonies would gladly have borne the little tax on tea and other matters had it not been the poverty caused by the bad influence of the English bankers on the Parliament, which has caused in the Colonies hatred of England and the Revolutionary War."

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Shelley's avatar

Why Wilson yes, but wait, I recollect it was Lincoln. Shame his dear wife killed him. Poor gal, Congress would not approve her pension, even after three requests.

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Pacificus's avatar

OK Shelley, you got me: in what world did Mary Todd Lincoln kill her husband? Yes, she was a battle axe, but I don't think she actually used it on him. Help me out here...

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Mary was an opium addict. The Rothschilds planned to kidnap Abe. Booth was to do it. There was a waiting wagon with a wood-cover down below in the street. The plan was for Booth to traverse the backstairs entrance, silently move down a hallway, and open an unlocked door to a darkened room where Mary and Abe were sitting. After entering the room, Booth would tell the President an urgent message was waiting for him at the War Department. Before descending the backstairs, Abe would be knocked out with a chloroform cloth. The kidnappers would load the limp body into the covered wagon and swiftly stow Lincoln on an opium boat for a novel 'cruise' of the Atlantic Ocean.

When Booth actually opened the door to the darkened room where Abe and Mary were sitting, he went into a panic and shock. Abe was asleep with his head on Mary's left shoulder and the First Lady had her head turned toward the left looking at the door. . . When she was sure the man who opened the door was Booth, she turned and looked at the President to be sure the pistol she was pointing would explode beneath the lower left earlobe of her husband. Before Mary pulled the trigger, John Wilkes Booth, drug supplier to the First Lady, realized he was the patsy in all this mess. But he did not know if he was only Mary's patsy or also a chump for the Rothschild family.

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More: Were the men hiding around the back door of Ford's Theater there to help Booth with the kidnaping or to point the false finger at the 'innocent' Booth? Booth was not about to run into the hallway or down the backstairs to find out the answer to that question. The only escape route was to jump the balcony and crash onto the stage during the performance. That night, Booth gave a literal interpretation of the theatrical phrase 'break a leg' as he fractured one of his during his leaping act from 'lethally looney Mary' and the men lurking around the back entrance of Ford's Theater.

One would only use a one-shot pistol if they were absolutely sure they had intimate access to the victim. The gun on the wall of Ford's Theater is a derringer — the perfect weapon for the left-handed female assassin who did not attend her husband's funeral.

Mary Todd was not hiding in her room due to overwhelming grief and sorrow; she was imprisoned in her room with two armed guards for two weeks after killing her husband. In the 1860s, an act of Congress mandated the compensation of widows of former and active Congressmen, Senators, Vice Presidents and Presidents. The amount and duration was ratified by both Houses of Congress for each widow.

Mary Todd Lincoln applied for her widowers compensation three times and was denied the mandated compensation three times by both Houses of Congress. An unknown benefactor paid for Mary's passage to Europe where she died in small cottage in Germany."

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Source:

Within a week of the shooting, General Riley and his wife were packed off to an insane asylum where they both died of 'unknown causes' within 30 days of being committed." (Pandora's Box, by Alex Christopher, pp. 282-286).

“The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity.”

President Abraham Lincoln

And then he was assassinated.

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Lincoln had fallen from Rothschild grace also and so, due, in part to his Executive Order to print United States Greenbacks, thus interfering with the Rothschild International Banks profits.

It appears that the Rothschild family wanted Lincoln embarrassed to the maximum degree. (So) Mary Todd's drug dealer (John Wilkes Booth) was hired to kidnap the President of the United States. Abraham would be put on a boat for a two month cruise of the Atlantic where he would be injected with and addicted to Opium and then dumped on the streets of Washington. While the forcefully addicted President was stumbling around our nation's capital, the press would be informed of Elizabeth, Ella and Emily.

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Care to know who Elizabeth, Ella and Emily are?

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Yeah, Tom, it's Woody Wilson who's most to blame for the Nat Sec State. He started the shitty ball rolling. Truman and the rest just followed his precedent.

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Since the Civil War our current federal government has been operating under the rule of National Emergency - thus the executive order. President Lincoln as military commander issued Executive order number 1. Wilson's original 1917 Act (a/k/a The Trading with the Enemy Act or War Powers Act) which was "An Act to define, regulate, and punish trading with the enemy, and for other purposes", originally excluded citizens of the United States, but the Act of March 9, 1933, Section 2 amended this to include "any person within the United States or any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof" - under FDR.

Here is an example of the power of declaring a National Emergency: All created by FDR and NOT Congress part one:

AAA 1933 Agricultural Adjustment Administration

CCC 1933 Civilian Conservation Corps

CWA 1933 Civil Works Administration

DRS 1935 Drought Relief Service

DSH 1933 Subsistence Homesteads Division

EBA 1933 Emergency Banking Act

FAA 1933 Federal Aviation Administration

FAP 1935 Federal Art Project

FCA 1933 Farm Credit Administration

FCC 1934 Federal Communications Commission

FDIC 1933 Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation

FERA 1933 Federal Emergency Relief Administration

FHA 1934 Federal Housing Administration

FLSA 1938 Fair Labor Standards Act

FMP 1935 Federal Music Project (part of WPA)

FSA 1935 Farm Security Administration

FSRC 1933 Federal Surplus Relief Corporation

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Part two:

FTP 1935 Federal Theatre Project (part of WPA)

FWA 1939 Federal Works Agency

FWP 1935 Federal Writers' Project (part of WPA)

HOLC 1933 Home Owners' Loan Corporation

NIRA 1933 National Industrial Recovery Act

NLRA 1935 National Labor Relations Act

NLRB 1934 National Labor Relations Board/The Wagner Act

NRA 1933 National Recovery Administration

NYA 1935 National Youth Administration

PRRA 1933 Puerto Rico Reconstruction Administration

PWA 1933 Public Works Administration

RA 1935 Resettlement Administration

REA 1935 Rural Electrification Administration (now Rural Utilities Service)

SEC 1934 Securities and Exchange Commission

SSA 1935 Social Security Administration

SSB 1935 Social Security Board (now Social Security Administration)

TVA 1933 Tennessee Valley Authority

USHA 1937 United States Housing Authority

USMC 1936 United States Maritime Commission

WPA 1935 Works Progress Administration

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