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Woke worship!

I am in my mid-50s and over the last year, my late-20s daughter has moved back into our house after 4 years at an East Coast private university working on a Doctoral Degree, because of Covid.

This is her daily woke worship ritual:

1. Read, remember or discover something that someone said, did or thought (usually from some subreddit or another or some memory of how her mother or me treated her or one of her siblings).

2. Come upstairs from her basement bedroom, fuming.

3. Find her mother or me, or both.

4. Angrily describe the injustice to us.

5. Call the perpetrator (usually us or some other family member) some name: bigot, homophobe, racist, etc.

6. Be outraged until she discovers some other thing that upsets her.

Repeat for infinity.

There is no joy or humor in her life. But she has worshiped this way in our house for months. It is her ritual. Of course, nothing ever changes because that's not the point. The point is to be OUTRAGED.

I think this is what DeAngelo is doing. And everyone of her ilk. Don't resolve anything. Don't make progress. BE OUTRAGED!

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Tell her she should move out of your basement because she lives on what used to be indigenous land.

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DiAngelo notes she lives on indigenous land in her book

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I would say more that she lives - and writes - on disingenuous land.

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Very nice!!

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Give it all back to the dinosaurs

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40 acres and a triceratops?

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Godzilla will soon come to collect!

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That's "Gojira" to you.

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Heh, yep, nice! Cue up the Blue Oyster Cult!

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Welcome to Jurassic Park!

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Indeed. But did she give her property back to the natives along with all of her money?

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If she does live on "indigenous land," can she point to the excavation site near her house where prehistoric fossils were found, akin to the Lucy site in Ethiopia?

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Helpful note for her: All land is indigenous land - be it in Europe, Asia or the Americas. I guess she could move to Antarctica -maybe?

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You damned...Polar bearist...you! White bear fragility!

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I think you meant penguinist?

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No, don't be so sanguine, penguin-fetishist.

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Maybe DiAngelo should build a casino and then write about how the indigenous people are being oppressed by lending their tribal names to casinos.

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Genius. Every time you win, a BIPOC person lectures you on white privilege and keeps your winnings.

When you get tired of gambling without reward, you can buy tickets to the entertainment shows. You can't actually see anything, you just buy the tickets.

For dinner, you can go to the all-they-can-eat buffet.

Of course, the whole complex is completely nonsmoking, for whites.

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Heads, she wins; Tails, you lose.

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She might move to Canada and write about Native Canadians next....

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Found a trailer for DiAngelo's next book, where she warns of the supernatural racist horrors of living on indigenous land, and what will happen if white settlers do not repent of their, eh...settlery?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eZgEKjYJqA

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Of course she does. I wonder if she is this much of a cartoon in her actual personal life. Yikes.

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She has skillfully made herself unparody-able because there is no room left to exaggerate.

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She is. Have you watched the Evergreen College fiasco documentary on Brett Weinstein's dismissal? She has a cameo and it's quite something.

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Does corporate media try to distract Americans with manufactured outrage while their lobbyists tell congress how to vote and the economic issues that are destroying Americans lives to profit only the rich?

Where does DiAngelo and those in the media that talk about her fit into that equation?

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As Apple (and many other companies) has shown, if you wave a rainbow flag you can get away with anything. Biggest corporate tax evader on the planet? Check. Labor abuses including suicide nets? Check. Firing problematic employees (AGM) for crimethink? Check. Massively supporting Dr. Dre ('Bitches ain't shit, but hoes and tricks')? Check. Exploiting slave labor (Uighurs) while valiantly defending personal privacy? Check. Complete immunity from criticism by the likes of Robin DiAngelo? Check.

The obvious villain here is 'wokeness' that put identity politics ahead of all other issues.

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Peter - Wokeness is not the villain. IT is is nothing but a ruse meant to distract partisan hacks on the left and the right.

Apple makes money paying lobbyists to write laws that allow then to legally avoid taxes.... And they can do that as long as fools like you care more about politicians that give a shit about WOKE than politicians that have the balls to fight APPLE and the others.

Sanders, Warren, AOC, Khanna, Porter and others have the courate go stand up to Apple but you HATE them all because the media you consume has you more focused on their views on WOKE than what they are actually fighting for...

YOu are the problem, not WOKE

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Do you know how stupid you look shilling the same campaign message over and over again?

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I did some research into this. Warren (and to a lesser extent Bernie) have denounced Apple as a corporate tax evader. AOC has been notably silent about Apple (as best I can tell). Rep. Khanna really does have an opinion about Apple. Quote "Khanna loves Apple Park".

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How does Apple not paying taxes harm anyone? Sure, it’s hypocritical and dishonest, but taxation is theft.

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Just call it what it really is. Communism.

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It's not really communism. Real communism died with the fall of the Berlin wall and the rise of modern China (yes, N. Korea and Cuba are holdouts). Real communism would get plenty of push back from Apple and all of the other 'woke' corporations. The poison-de-jour is Cultural-Marxism, not economic-Marxism. For better or worse, CRT is a more recognized term for this insanity (vs. Cultural Marxism).

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So high and mighty up there on that horse. I hope you don't own any Apple, Samsung or LG product. I hope you don't own a TV. I hope you don't own a laptop of any brand. Because if you do, you're buying things made in China. So you might want to give the whole "China is horrible" thing a rest unless you like being a complete hypocrite.

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Please try to read my comment. I do argue that 'Apple is horrible', not that 'China is horrible'. Apple chooses what sort of relationship it has with China and Apple chooses very badly. Apple proudly proclaims how 'progressive' it is. How suicide nets and Uighur slavery fits into that is a tad unclear. Did I leave out the part about 'Bitches ain't shit, but hoes and tricks'? Very progressive.

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Peter - The obvious villain here are voters that care more about WOKE issues than electing leaders like Sanders and Warren and AOC and Katie Porter and Rho Khana that are actually fighting companies like Apple about the real shit, like tax evasion and monopoly.

Apple truly does not care what side of WOKE you land on. Only that you hate leaders like the ones i mentioned because they don't care as much about WOKE shit as about stopping Apple from screwing us.

And you have fallen hook line and sinker for the trap

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Please provide a source for any time the politicians you cited have denounced CRT. I’ll wait.

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E. Warren tweeted "5 years ago Michael Brown was murdered by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri". Of course, that was a pure lie. M. Brown was not murdered. He charged a police officer (after trying to steal the police officers gun) and died as a consequence. The bottom line is that Warren is quite willing to use 'woke' lies to advance her agenda.

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Somebody’s obsessing on corporate media this fine morning. Have a beer, Piketty. Life’s too short...

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Futuristic - Perhaps a chardonay instead. In any case anyone that gives a shit about WOKE, one way or the other, is being manipulated by the media so they focus on the irrelevant and ignore the policy issues that voters need to come together on to stop companies CEO's from screwing the rest of us.

If you care about how WOKE a leader is or is not before they get your vote the CORPORATE media has won. They truly do not care what side you fall on. As long as you are divided they win and you los

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Historically, the traditional left has been hostile towards large (and small) corporations. However, the rise of 'wokeness' has put an end to all that. Just profess to believe in 'wokeness' and all is forgiven. At least the Catholic Church charged real money for indulgences. Now just saluting the rainbow flag (or hiring Robin DiAngelo) will suffice.

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Perhaps that is true. But corporations would rather people like you invest your mind and energy in this kind of bullshit rather than seeing people like you organize around the policy issues that will stop those companies from screwing you to make their CEO richer.

Companies don't care what side you are on Woke or not Woke as long as you are divided and don't unite to fight your corporate overlord.

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The corporate media does whatever it takes to make money. Period. The media is not our friends. Journalists are not our friends. The media would throw their own grandmothers under a bus to make a buck. But that's it. All that other stuff is just posturing. If the corporate media would make more money by supporting really nice things, they would. But the money is made on the right and left sides of the media promoting conflict and tribalism. They don't give a crap about "profiting only the rich", they only care about making money for themselves.

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Bob - You are fooling yourself. These corporations are way smarter than you seem to realize. They do not CARE what side of the WOKE issue you land on. They ONLY care that it distracts you and divides you as a voter. Heads the win Tails they win. You lose.

The more passion you put into hating WOKE the more you convince yourself that you cant vote for leaders that are a true threat to these companies like Sanders, Warren, AOC, Porter, Kahn... These are leaders that you HATE and will never vote for because they dont give a shit about WOKE and are totally focused on stopping the policy that is making corportate leaders rich and screwing the rest of us.

And you have fallen for it hook line and sinker. Your not a contrarian, you are simply being used.

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Well Matt, at least she is pitching her screed to her Indigenous patronage.(;-})

As Usual,

EA

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THAT is fucking hilarious! Well put.

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Don't laugh! As we type my local Chumash casino is stealing our ideas. “White Fragility” the musical. “White Fragility: An Evening of Pop Song Hits by Old White Men Who Hopelessly Tried to Sound Non-White.”

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Start with “Jive Talkin”…

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Hahahaha!

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I have a bunch of teenage daughters who are all flirting with the social-media fueled addiction to the Daily Outrage On Behalf of the Marginalized drug. Their father and I do the best we can to gently discuss A. the profit motive in promoting outrage addiction and perspective distortion, B. the role in choosing one's attitude and what one chooses to dwell on in mental health, and C. intentionally choosing to run information through an intellectual and logical filter and not an emotional one. It's very difficult because any pushback these kids get, they just kafkatrap; their little smartphone friends triumphantly point out that their parents' differing perspectives is just SOLID PROOF of how OPPRESSION IS REAL and they are LITERALLY IN THE FIGHT OF THEIR LIVES FOR THEIR VERY SAFETY.

Other than keeping their younger siblings the hell off the internet until they have learned to think, I'm not sure what else to do, and I am worried that they will wind up like your daughter one of these days. And I am worried what that means for our family because I will not support or harbor an adult who chooses a brain-virus approach to life over reality and happiness.

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"keeping their younger siblings the hell off the internet until they have learned to think"

There's a clue here. Doing my Clint in GRAN TORINO bit: one of the worrisome trends I have observed in under-30s on the internet is the lack of distinction between their internet persona and their real-life persona. When the commercial internet got going in the '90s, it was largely understood that everyone was goofing around and had a fake name, akin to "handles" on the CB radio of the '70s.

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It isn't a large shift to apply this observation to active shooter games and mass shootings.

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I take your point, I believe, but if anything I think first-person-shooter video games allow young men to blow off steam in a way that has no real-world consequences. I'm not of the Tipper Gore school that thinks TV, video games, or music "causes" violence.

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I kind of agree with you on FPS. But in a game like GTA where you can set a hooker on fire instead of paying her, I dunno. That's blowing off steam? It seems like there should be some sort of line drawn, but where?

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...I guess setting a virtual hooker on virtual fire in a video game is objectively less harmful than setting a real hooker on real fire in the real world? I dunno.

If there weren't a market for these types of video games, I don't think they would be doing a booming business.

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You could also drive into Chinatown and start a firefight with the Tongs at will, or escape from police helicopters and tanks by driving through a car wash/paint shop in GTA. We don’t see those behaviors manifested with any sort of regularity (although I do notice a disturbing tendency amongst younger football fans to not understand that the game on TV is not like the one on Madden)

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Wait ... You are NOT Tipper Gore? Blows my whole theory. Are you Lee Ludwig Hart, per chance?

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I'm Sonny Bono wearing a Jon Bon Jovi wig. Sorry to disappoint.

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Shifting the focus to Tipper Gore and "causation" does not take the point. It's saying and implying things that I was not; it's Presidential Grade interview strategy.

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It wasn't my intent to deliberately misinterpret your reply. I guess I mistakenly thought I took the point when I missed it.

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Kurt - My sons played shooter games in high school. It drove me crazy. They got to college and the first time a girl made fund of guys in their dorm room paying video games they both dropped them like a hot potato. She did what i could not

The best thing to do for kids is to stay above it, not judge and keep your eyes on what they are doing. You dont have to control them because you can't but if you treat them with dignity they will let you know that the hell they are doing.

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You mean you don’t live in Irkutsk?!?!?!

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Clearly you missed the episode where I moved to Yakutsk.

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Re: grisha koshmarov

Was that before or after your stay on Easter Island? Of course, this could well be one of those dastardly "unintentional misinterpretations".

By the way, I think your mentioning of being in opposition to Tipper Gore's uninformed nonsense was and is relevant, and was responsive to what was being said herein at the time.

It occurred to me earlier that you might be interested, as well as many other Matt Taibbi subscribers here as well of course, in a very recently

published piece of very good news from the folks at The Grayzone.

https://thegrayzone.com/2021/06/29/lawsuit-sulome-anderson-hezbollah/

Spreading this excellent story far and wide, along with more than my share of Red Stripe, has been the best part of my Independence Day thus far.

As Usual,

EA

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'Twasn't I who moved to Easter Island; 'twas President John Quincy Adams.

original image: https://bit.ly/3Ar6zlC

from source: https://causticcovercritic.blogspot.com/2009/12/tutis-balls.html

via: https://kathleenmccook.substack.com/p/gibbons-library-was-wantonly-dispersed

also relevant: https://kathleenmccook.substack.com/p/porn-rock-satanism-and-tipper-gore

Cheers to you and The Green Mountain Boys on, as one of my comrades likes to put it, Anti-Tyrannical Government Day.

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Excising the cancer of social media would probably help, but it would also probably convince them that you're evil incarnate. I fear for what the world will look like when all of these developing minds that have been poisoned by behavior manipulation while stewing in toxic, negative sensationalism-for-profit are old enough to run the show. There really isn't much we can do about it, it seems. But as Wilfred Owen once said, "All a poet can do today is warn." Good luck to you and yours.

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It's definitely easier said than done. If I could do it over again, I would have waited much longer to allow smartphones, and I would be stricter about their use. I would not allow social media. But it's constant trying to skate to where the puck is unless you deliberately construct, and zealously patrol, a mini society of like-minded families. No matter what you do your kids have to be plugged in and even if you ban Instagram or TikTok (easier said than done; kids are very clever about hiding their use of things they're not supposed to be doing) their friends just send whatever they want over approved channels. Hard to construct moats when the soccer team uses a Discord server to organize and all the kids in their drama group stay in touch via Snapchat and kids can even find ways to cyberbully each other in the Google Classroom they all were shoved into with covid. Try to keep them from staring at their phones or laptops all day, because if the device is in your hand you're going to give into the temptation to scroll for lazy entertainment and brain candy, and wow look, the school district has switched to digital textbooks. It's a digital occupation of our children's brains and short of saying "sorry, you're going to be the weird offline kid, get used to it" which is what we are doing with our youngest two, there is no real way to fight it at this point. Trying to wake up other parents to this but it's a slow process and they're all addicted to their phones too. (And I'm not blameless in this either. I should be doing work in the physical world right now but I've spent a lot of the day reading and responding to comments in my own version of digital outrage. *sheepish shrug*

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What if your nose is constantly buried in a Substack or e-book on your iPhone(note-personally guilty as charged)?

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I'd say you're certainly not blameless since every other sentence you write is, "Easier said than done."

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Thanks; that’s helpful. 👍

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I think finding some decent peers for your kids is huge. And if there aren't any, maybe consider moving. This is yet another reason I'm so glad I left California.

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I mean really. You really ought not to shame parents like this with your comments. Interesting to note, however, that you do seem to have what must be a difficult infatuation with mommys and daddys, considering what a peach your's sowed and cultivated. Must've raised you in their spare time.

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Shame is a powerful incentive and one that needs to be brought back into western society writ large. This parent seems to understand what is at stake and hopefully is taking the appropriate actions to save the minds of her children.

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"Owen was killed in action on 4 November 1918 during the crossing of the Sambre–Oise Canal, exactly one week (almost to the hour) before the signing of the Armistice which ended the war, and was promoted to the rank of Lieutenant the day after his death."

Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori. Cool he made lieutenant.

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Which for me always begs the question: how exactly does one determine where one's country begins and ends.

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I would think legally defined national boundaries might be a reasonable starting point, but once you get into the empire business shit starts getting weird.

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Indeed, Grisha.

Another factor if import: Who one is fighting at the moment.

Keep going back to The Sirens Of Titan...can't help but wonder if Branson and/or Bezos aren't secretly hoping to become Winston Niles Rumford. Not holding out hope for a "Church of God the Utterly Indifferent" any time soon, but...

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Google maps?

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By force of arms. One day, if we're visited by extra terrestrials, and they're as violent as the US has been (our military in action in 90% of some or all of the years since our creation), with their superior technology, this land will be theirs.

At that point, we will fully understand the term, "asymmetrical warfare."

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The nautical mile limit, as accepted by international law-ie-where the rum runners and gambling ships busted out their wares back in the day.

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https://bit.ly/3fUBy1z April 8, 2021, CityWatch, Hate Money Stalks America, by Richard Lee Abrams

The Wokers tend to hate capitalism even though they do not know i is any more than they know what socialism is. However, both the GOP traditional bigotry and the Dem Woker bigotry are profit driven. They epitomize the Cigarette Approach to Marketing -- that is, sell people something that will kill them by convincing that it makes them look cool

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What good does it do to compare the GOP values of 40 years ago to the values of the Democrat Party today? Only one of them is currently destroying the country.

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the workers know that they're being ground into nothing by capitalism and socialism isn't being so destructive to them. totally agree on the profit driven game of politics tricking people into thinking any part of the ruling class cares about them

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How do we have capitalism and socialism at the same time? How does that work?

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If they provide you with new pronouns, you have lost. The chance of that happening with daughters is much higher than it is with boys. From what I can tell, dysphoria is just another way for young girls to say that they don't like their developing breasts.

When your daughter tells you to refer to her and they/them, it is a serious mindfuck. I could deal with rebellion, staying out too late or drugs but I am inherently incapable of understanding this. If you use the wrong pronoun, it is literally the worst thing ever... To ever happen to anyone. Ever.

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Manipulating language is just one of many communist tactics. You could win that battle yet still lose the war on many other fronts.

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Why not just take their cell phones away from them?

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Airily - As the father of 3 who also consume social media I would suggest something. Are you doing the same thing they are on social media and simply landing in a different spot? If you are then i would say you should stop blaming your kids.

People that learn about the world through social media are misinformed. PERIOD. Does not matter what side of the issues you are on you are misinformed. Chomsky's Propaganda Fraemework was created for TV and it has proven even more true with social media.

IF you pull your own head out of your own social media bubble you can start engaging with your kids like the ADULT. Instead of caring what their views are you can just talk to them and ask questions about their views and even find common ground. The more you dig into why someone who's views are formed by social media has come to their conclusions the less convinced they will be they are right. But you cant do that if you two have formed views that may be different but are equally misinformed.

No?

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No. You can’t compromise with communism which is all what you call “woke” is. The last thing a responsible parent should do is placate the immature and uneducated thoughts of an indoctrinated child.

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You're not wrong, at all, but I'm not sure why you would assume I need to be told to get off social media. The closest I come is reading various Substacks.

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I imagine it would take a massive deprogramming effort along the lines of deprogramming cult victims like we had a lot of in the 70’s. Extremely difficult process from what I have read about it. I have no clue how that could be scaled up especially when the authorities required to do so are the ones doing the brainwashing.

Another huge problem is the fact the people not allowing themselves to be brainwashed or too old to know better are slowly becoming demoralized according to the Commies’ plans. So we are all getting hit from both sides. I fear the only thing that will work is a right wing strong man taking power and forcing it which defeats the whole purpose. At least that is what history shows it takes.

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Pierce- You are familiar with the term Psychological Projection right?

If not your should be.

Your opinions show an utter lack of critical thinking on your part (eg: is Trump lying about winning the election. or Did Trumps tax cuts pay for themselves)

You can’t even respond to easy questions like these with out showing your lack of critical thinking skills.

So you gave me my belly laugh today reading you voice your concern about “today’s” kids lacking critical thinking skills.

That’s rich coming from you, right?

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Thank you! I have been looking for a psychological analysis like this.

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The biggest favour you could do for her is to set her free. That will reorder her priorities. You know, paying for shelter, food, transportation etc. Allowing this simply enables it.

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I'd agree. Facing adult responsibilities and hardships has a wonderful tendency to bring perspective and clarity.

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It can also bring decent manners. That young scholar sounds like a tyrant.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSGl3d4KOMk

(completely unrelated on the social justice frontier... one of the first examples of the singular "them")

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The wild thing about this video is that it's green-screened in front of a drum set and amps in somebody's library. MTV had money to burn in the '80s. Where is rtj when we need her?

Another from this subgenre: https://youtu.be/ejorQVy3m8E

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You rang? Oh, i have to dig up some social justice videos? Ok then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXAlfh6QKQs

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They bands were producing those videos. Only a few were realy good.

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The production values on this puppy are SKY HIGH.

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It's exactly how I look on my Teams/Zoom meetings when the fake background is enabled. Nice to see how far technology has come.

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"Hey hey Jason! On the beach today huh?! Must be nice!"

-every crappy boss I've had

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Jason - Setting her free because you are angry that she does not believe a set of lies you happen to believe is not assured of enabling her to "reorder her priorities". What is is assured of doing is creating a deeper rift between father and daughter.

Maybe she should be on her own and maybe she should not. Economic conditions have forced increasing numbers of 20 something educated children home with their parents. That is neither of their faults. But He does not give the evidence to answer that one way or the other. All he gives us evidence of is that BOTH and and his daughter are delusional because of the media they consume.

I don't think anyone can give him good advice based on his version of things. How about you?

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Absolutely!!

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Maybe we should all stop sending these indoctrination machines that pose as Colleges and Universities $50K per year to ruin our kids.

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Easier said than done. It's a huge issue.

I've got a young teen and tween who are both smart and academically oriented. Not everybody can go to Hillsdale, and they don't offer engineering. I would certainly be as proud of them if they wanted to go into the trades instead of going to university, but I don't think that's going to be a fit for either of them.

I'm hoping we'll see some entrepreneurship and creative destruction in the university sector. There are many parents who want better alternatives.

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Trade school is the best route to competence and entrepreneurship at the moment.

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Move to Finland...best education in the world and it's free.

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No it’s not, LOL. You simply pay for it in significantly higher taxes. Nothing in life is free. At least nothing worth buying.

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But everyone will pay the taxes and all will have education and medical. I'm reminded once again of something a man in Denmark (every year named the happiest country) said when someone asked him if he didn't mind paying those high taxes. He said, "No, I don't mind. I don't want to be a rich man in a poor country." How unlike a majority of US Americans. It states in the Preamble to the Constitution that the government's first duty is to the welfare of the people.

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Like I said and you confirmed. It isn’t free.

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Yes. I have been hoping this as well.

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$200k or more to get a credential, to get a shot at a top flight career. What a racket.

I've been holding out hope the system would break down before my kids graduate high school, but I'm running out of time.

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Deep truth! Let them Woke on their own dime...

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Most WOKE people are living on their own dime. Most Anti Woke people are living on their own dime.

What you are saying is that if your child does not agree with the set of LIES you beleive in then you should not support then right in the middle of a pandemic when more 20 somethings than ever are being forced to live at home.

Got it.

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I figured out late, maybe less than 10 years ago, that no one hates progress more than progressives.

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Pre-enlightenment feudalists

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Well, the whole book Matt is reviewing is pretty explicitly that.

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I'm in my mid to late 50's and have children ranging in age from 30 to 18. Only 2 at home at this stage. I commend you patience. I have been known to suggest to my own children that if living with their parents is a hardship, they should move out quickly to lessen their own pain!!

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It was 1972. I was 21 and just out of the Army. My father discovered my pipe and my weed and reminded me that it was his home and I was no longer a welcome guest. It was the best thing that ever happened to both of us.

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I've noticed the same thing about people addicted to watching the news. I don't know if it's an adrenaline rush or something else, but there seems to be a psychological response to outrage that some people find intoxicating.

I'm curious, what degree is she studying for down in that basement?

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"The Righteous Mind" by Jonathan Haidt offers an excellent explanation of moral outrage.

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And "Hate Inc." by Matt Taibbi details the media's exploitation thereof. ;D

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That book is a VERY mixed bag, though it is basically universally praised. If you're interested in a more evolved analysis (I talk directly about Haidt) you can read this: https://empathy.guru/2019/02/21/creating-a-we-for-an-evolving-world-empathetic-leadership-book-refactor-and-the-first-of-two-introductory-posts/

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When people hear something which triggers their emotions, they what more of it.

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Anger and fear make people more malleable, and therefore more easily controlled. It's most effective when both are induced, but in a pinch, either one will do.

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I assume you paid for her entire 4-year ride at the East Coast private university where she failed to attain her Ph.D.? Wow, you're in hell.

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Phil - So using your way of thinking you pay for your child's education they are then required to hold your same view of the world regarless of how moronic your view may be. Got it!

Another reason College should be funded by the government,

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"So using your way of thinking you pay for your child's education they are then required to hold your same view of the world regarless (sic) of how moronic your view may be."

You could not be more wrong even if you tired twice as hard to fail as you already are.

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Phil - Last time i checked paying for your kids COLLEGE does not make your political ideas CORRECT.... No more than getting your PHD makes your political ideas correct.

They BOTH sound like fools who have let corporate media misinform them both so much they are not divided. And that is the goal of corporate media. TO divide. Matt's book HATE INC.... is all about this.

This guy is a victim himself as is his daughter. Maybe he should clean up his own act and start being an ADULT before blasting his kid.

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My "politics" are irrelevant.

She's an arrogant, hyper-privileged, over-educated, ungrateful, spoiled, petulant, willfully-unemployed twit. And since her father facilitated her, including allowing her to move back home, guess what that makes him.

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Parents are generally willing to go the extra mile for their children. I'm not going to get started on the shit I got bailed out of.

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Phil - Corporate media has manipulated Americans into thinking their President was a foreign asset controlled by Putin and on the other side thinking a Presidential election was rigged.

Dividing this father and daughter on LIES and manipulation is just a manifestation of consuming media that is intentionally doin this to us.

Know your enemy. That guys daughter is not the enemy. She is the victim. But the real enemy, corporate media, has fools like you blaming the victim...

God they are good at what they do and you are the proof.

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LMAO!!! do you use a pole vault to jump to these cockamamie conclusions?

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FNR - It is called being an adult not a child parent. Being just as MISINFORMED as his daughter and then angry at her is childish parenting.

It is called being an ADULT... He needs to let it go and soon she will to. If he is going put and lash out because she has not fallen for the bullshit right wing lies he has all he is doing is showing he is still a child in my view. Grow the F up and get over it.

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lovely, now what does that have to do with ridiculous, childlike leaps of logic?

"So using your way of thinking you pay for your child's education they are then required to hold your same view of the world"

LMAO!!! you are so unintentionally funny, you have no idea, right?

Right?

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Sadly, she is connected to the Social Umbilicus and being fed pure poison by algorithms which detect, predict and even direct her emotions for max-level advertising. It's evil, I tell you... but what can anyone do?

You can't MAKE an addict quit -they have to want to do it first and foremost.

We have an entire world full of people staring at screens and being manipulated 24/7.

What's the worst that could happen?

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Scott - "we have an entire world full of people staring at screens and being manipulated..."

Sadly you are one of them, not?

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Re: Hefty Matty

Your fatherly anecdote "Woke Worship" is quite probably the most definitive, and insightful, description of this current "Woke" phenomenon that has infected the reasoning of so many in our society of most all ages. The form of intellectual impatience this behavior reflects has been evident for most of my life {79 years and counting}, most often by those who simply do not think before they speak or, in modern parlance, "tweet"/write. A common behavioral manifestation of this absence of forethought is, of course, too often being adamantly incorrect; while 'believing' their feigned "outrage" to be enlightened and reasonable.

Many years ago there was a wise saying that, I believe(?) described this modern behavior:

"MINDS IN NEUTRAL, FULL SPEED AHEAD!"

Here is another one, if you can't get them to stop it.

"If you don't leave me alone, I'll have to find someone who will!"

As Usual,

EA

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Ethan - "woke worship" is a line literally being fed to sheep that consume right wing propaganda... Matt is cashing in on people that consume propaganda and clearly you are one fo them.

He and his daughter are two sides of the same coin. Both equally misinformed. The fact that he is annoyed that his daughter does not share his idiotic ideas is more evidence parents should NOT be funding their kids education if in so doing they think their kids need to beleive their parents idiocy... Right?

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"Matt is cashing in on people that consume propaganda"

Nah.

Matt is "cashing in" on people who are sick of propaganda.

Good for him.

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Kosh - Woke is literally a made up corporate narrative to distract and divide voters so they don't come together and elect leaders that will change economic policy to help ordinary Americans if it will hurt corporate profits. They don't care what side of the debate Americans are on, only that Americans HATE elected leaders that are not on their side on this issue.

Matt flaming the fires of this because it ropes in people like you who know their economic policy ideas are moronic so you invest your passion in identity political ideas. Matt ropes you in and rings the cash register while holding on to his liberal creds... Right?

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"Woke is literally a made up corporate narrative to distract and divide voters so they don't come together and elect leaders that will change economic policy to help ordinary Americans if it will hurt corporate profits."

how can you be able to understand this and at the same time NOT understand that it is also a danger, in and of itself?

if you were trying to escape a deadly maze and knew ahead of time that one corridor crowded with razor-sharp wire was intended to distract, is the razor-sharp wire not dangerous?

it's not hard to understand, unless you refuse to because what you are really trying to convey is something else. that kind of bullshit is easy to spot. seems like you are here to whine at people who do not agree with you and your newly acquired lefty kook mental disease.

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FNR - I am not going to wrap my mind around WOKE any more than I am going to wrap my mind around how Trump is controlled by the Putin...

These are all just fantasy's manufactured like a reality TV show to distract you from how you are being screwed financially by the same politicians that side with you on WOKE this and WOKE that.

Stope being manipulated. Matt sucks people like you in with stories like this. Stop validating his strategy and start demanding that he focus on what he is REALLY REALLY good at which is exposing how corporate media is MANIPULATING you to help their corporate overlords.

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Piketty doo doo - You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about! This may not be the ideal venue to test your language skills, at least until you actually learn the language du jour.

Heh Jeb...JEB...dammit Jeb awaken, I think thars a snake in yer britches.

As Usual,

EA

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Ethan - Got it your writing skills are better than mine. But your parenting skills are not...

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Is the use of familial slurs one of the debate tricks you learned at Trump U?

Don't blame your childhood on me, I had nothing to do with it.

And, I'm not really interested in having any more to do with whatever it is that you've morphed into.

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Ethan- You are evidence that Matt's strategy is working. it brought in someone like you who is not used to having his ideas challenged much less with logic and facts that reveal weakness in your thinking.

Welcome to the big leagues. You going take your ball and run home to mommy crying or are you going to defend your views with stronger logic, more relevant evidence and more wisdom?

Yes, a parent who is misinformed about politics and then gets angry at his daughter because her misinformation is different than his is showing weak parenting. Even if he paid for her college tuition.

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I love that last line and plan to use it against the aggressively WOKE, much appreciated.

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Thank you, I appreciate both your appreciation and the "like" of my comment. (:-})

As Usual,

EA

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Nothing ever changes because there’s never a consequence to her actions. You’re terrible parents.

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Thats a nasty thing to say. It's not parents' fault if their kid is going through a difficult time and processing it with some bizarre woke bullshit. Screw you.

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"...their kid is going through a difficult time and processing it with some bizarre woke bullshit."

The parents are still to blame, but less and less so as the "kid" gets older. The only reason the "kid" (an adult, by virtually every standard, in her late 20's and apparently "educated" at an East Coast private university and working on a Doctoral Degree) is having a difficult time is because she has no critical thinking skills; e.g. a Bizarre Woke Bullshit Detection Meter.©

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LOL. Of course it's your fault. An entire generation loves their self-delusions more than they love their children.

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Sevender, while you are in many ways not wrong, I'm interested in what solutions you have. You're all over this thread telling all these parents who woke up one day to realize their children had been replaced by SJW pod people, and there is no way to get the arrow out that doesn't cause further injury, that it's their fault because they're pussies and failures as parents. Ok fine. You're right. It's our fault and we fucked up. We lost our children to the Hitler Youth and it's all our fault because we had no idea that allowing them in 2013 to communicate with their peers in the socially expected fashion meant that years in the future those channels would be used to insert an ineradicable fungus into their brains. Now what? Since you are so certain that this is state of affairs is under the control of parents, what should those of us with young adults do now, and what should people reading this with toddlers who wish to avoid this situation do?

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My suggestion is to learn everything you can about what this critical Social Justice ideology really is about. It ain't pretty, it's Orwellian as hell and has nothing whatsoever to do with Social or Justice

It's Anti-Social Injustice and it has to be stopped

I recommend this reference on what's afflicted your kids.

If you're not able to open this link, peruse other areas of the site

Or subscribe to support professor Lindsay's work

"Drawing from various examples in the neo-Marxist and Critical Pedagogy literature, in this episode of James Lindsay OnlySubs, my subscribers-only podcast, I make the case that Wokeness is applied psychopathology. That is, the point of a Critical Theory is to induce and groom psychopathologies that the activists can then manipulate to achieve their ends. Join me for a rather daring exploration of this idea."

-James Lindsay

https://newdiscourses.locals.com/post/805751/critical-theory-is-applied-psychopathology-onlysubs-with-james-lindsay-ep-51

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If it means anything, I am sympathetic to your situation. You have given her every opportunity to succeed. The situation must be maddening. I would like to think that she will understand that later in life. My best to you and yours.

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I don’t know if there is anything you can do when children are small to prevent them from turning into this years in the future (other than love and care for them while setting boundaries and giving them an appropriate amount of chores and consequences), but I know people whose children became drug addicts and were living at home as adults. Because the behavior was so extreme, these parents had to eventually tell their children that they were not welcome in the house anymore. The parents loved their children, but had to set boundaries about what behavior they would tolerate. So, the answer to your question is some form of “my house, my rules”. If it bothers them enough, the parents should tell their daughter to stop, and that if she doesn’t, she will have to live elsewhere. Like a drug addict, she may or may not recover, but the parents don’t have to tolerate her behavior in their house while she is active in her “addiction”.

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Unplug

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Spoken like someone whose dad should have wiped on the sheets.

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We got a tough guy on the thread. Curious as to the self-delusions that turn on sevender. Share with us, sevender, your deepest, dark delusions.

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I treat adolescence which ends around age 35, as a form of mental illness. LOL

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"Terrible parents" is too harsh, but their current strategy isn't helping her. She's really too old--late twenties--to be acting like this. Can't she process her difficult time without tracking down her parents in the house and yelling at them? How is she going to handle the workplace?

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Oh my gosh. Our own parents accepted us and what we said. We accept our children. These are not terrible parents. These are parents who realize life is more complicated than their daughter understands. And ALL parents who are kind and good reflect and are aware our children look at life in ways that our different from us and we understand and sort of smile and remember our youth. We all need to empathize and be amused and discuss without hatred or anger.

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Lmao. We have two entire generations now of fat, depressed, socially anxious young people whose IQs are lower than their elders' for the first time since WWII. But you're all Perfect Parents!! LOL.

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No, life is really pretty simple. Simple courtesy towards your parents and siblings for starters. These parents are doormats. If a sister of mine operated this way, I'd quickly cut her out of my life and my family's life. Zero tolerance for that kind of horseshit.

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I gotta say something to support your statement. Princess is acting like a spoiled princess b/c Daddy & Mommy are (and have been) more interested in being her friend that being good parents. This bs from this kid didn't just magically appear; it's the culmination of years of habits and 'keeping the peace' instead of establishing boundaries. I have zero sympathy.

Snowflake is the mirror image of Archie Bunker. Daddy needs to be the mirror image of The Meathead. Oh, and my credentials are that I raised three daughters, okay?

And like other commenters, I'm curious as to her field of grad work. I'll put a plugged nickel on it ain't STEM! Obviously her behaviour reeks of Grievance studies, but that's too obvious. What is it? Hmmm???

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Fair enough; but in this particular war, to take refuge behind a STEM major is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

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Spoken like someone who has never had a 20 year old spawn live in their house.

Why be so nasty and rude, ya cunt?

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Scott - I have had 3 20+yr old spawn living in the house. None of them agreed with me on politics. Did not bother me any more than my views bothered them. The older the get the more they end up thinking like me, but that is because they are out in the workforce crushing it. We are lucky few in this country moving forward and not one of us thinks it is because we are more brilliant or work harder than anyone. We just live in the right place at the right time and being swept forward by trends we did nothing to create. Just like the majority of Americans who are being swept down word (despite being smarter and working harder than us) by the trends they did noting to create.

We may not agree on politics but we agree that some places are economically better than others and people living in those places should appreciate their great fortune.

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Man, my kid was spazzing out from the internet during Covid too. I went on walks with her to the park with our Dachshund until the gibberish stopped spewing forth from her mouth. It usually ended when she saw a duck or something.

Exercise is the best cure for all the bad feels, bro.

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Gaga - I fear you have missed the central them from most of the "parents" on this board. What you have articulated is what any normal parent would do.

These "parents" think that if the dad is paying the bills his daughter is required to tell her dad his moronic ideas (mostly lies and fabrications) are absolutely brilliant and how much she adores the close attention he pays to every syllable uttered by Sean Hannity or Tucker Carlson.

That seems to be the consensus on parenting on Matt's board. Right Matt?

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What an awful way to live.

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For the adults? Absolutely.

For the infant they're enabling? It's a wonderful life. Every day is Christmas, her birthday and Juneteenth combined.

Recommendation: Tell her to believe whatever she wants. Tell her to behave like an adult or get out. Now she has something genuine about which to be enraged.

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I don’t know. Being angry all the time is an awful way to live. You are right they need to cut off the financial support immediately. These adults need to live in the real world

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Maybe move her out of the basement and into the attic? Make sure there is no WiFi up there. If she wants to stay make her go through every box and organize all the Christmas decorations and photos and Granny’s old chest of clothes and recipes. Let her rock in Granny’s rocker and peruse all the old books and Bibles and letters. When she has finished all that and written a 200 page paper about her experience then take her to the lake for a few weeks of camping with no WiFi.

Then help her move out. That oughta set her head on straight.

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No wifi. No A/C. And finish the sheetrock project up there while you’re at it.

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He and his daughter are two side of the same coin.... Both are being manipulated to insure the rich and powerful keep their power by dividing us. Father and daughter, conservative and liberal. Just keep voters divided and the rich keep getting richer at the expense of everyone else.

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Sad to say, but many of her generation are clueless...and also helpless. Putting her out on her own wouldn't have the desired affect. She would more than likely end up in the arms of some nutcase like DiAngelo.

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It is time to stop being an enabler. Set the beast free and see if she can live in the wild.

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“I was excited and felt an immediate need to let them know I was not racist,” she explains, adding: “I proceeded to spend the evening telling them how racist my family was. I shared every racist joke, story, and comment I could remember my family ever making…”

When someone tells you they're incapable of self-awareness, believe them.

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That quote struck me as well. There must be something wrong me. When I, a white guy, meet black people, I interact with them just as I do with other INDIVIDUALS.

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My parents and grandparents were hardly on the front lines of the Civil Rights Movement either, in terms of race relations, but being a normal, well-adjusted individual, I’ve managed to mature and raise a young man far superior to me without feeling the need to walk around self-flagellating for clicks and profit.

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Ah but if you had been slow roasting your mind in collectivist doctrine and learning to view every micro-action and thought exclusively through the filter of racial dynamics whilst hardly ever meeting an actual living breathing black person....you might find it a lot harder to do that.

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Gawd, ain’t it the truth! She sounds insufferable.

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If she truly is non-racist, she would simply go to dinner with people of color and enjoy the evening with them talking about sports, family stuff, business, or anything else. Her selfinvolved need to talk about race shows her disregard for anything about the people except their color. That is the definition of racism. She needs to forget about “other white people” and focus on working on her own sad personality.

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She needs to “do the work”! Lol

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Yeah, well, according to St Kendi, there’s no such thing as a non-racist, just racist and anti-racist. “Self-involved” is exactly the right word.

“Live and let live” is I guess a ship that sailed long ago.

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It seems like the people with her sort of mindset think by spouting off how woke they are they're good people and don't actually need to work to improve their personality, temperament, integrity, etc. I'd bet in her mind she considers herself fully evolved.

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All DiAngelo sees is race. She is the one with a major problem.

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The excerpted anecdote was an attempt by DiAngelo to admit to her own problematic behavior. By criticizing her in an attempt to join this bandwagon here you accidentally agreed with her.

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Criticize = agree. Don't criticize = agree. What are the other options?

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Notice race: racist. Say "I don't see race": racist.

Agree with DiAngelo: racist who needs to "do the work". Don't agree with DiAngelo: racist who's too "fragile" to "do the work."

Say you have black friends: racist, reducing friends to colors. Don't say you have black friends: neo-segregationist.

The only way to win is not to play. Smile, nod, and walk away.

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😂

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Bizarre comment.

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Erm..Her behaviour in the anecdote isnt 'problematic' its flat out loony toons absurd. It's like a cartoon skit of the most absurdly try-hard woke person who is so desperate to show a black person how non racist and right-on they are that they somehow end up spending the whole evening actually subjecting them to racist jokes and being incapable of talking to them as human beings.

I mean... what the actual Fuck????

That should litetally be an episode of South Park

But apparently DeAngelo is serious....?

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What is a whole class of well-meaning people to do when they have everything and it's still not enough? Well, they join a cult - anything that will explain both their misery and their abundance. There is a reason why cults - from Charles Manson to EST to Nxium target the richest among us. And why people who struggle to put food on the table are less likely to fall for a charlton who promises them enlightenment.

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it's a movement of millions of chronological adults with the maturity level of a sheltered, spoiled pre-teen.

"here's 99% of what you want, 99% of best anyone has ever had, anywhere, ever."

to which they respond:

"everything is all bad. I am living in Hell."

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Exactly. What do you give people who have everything? Anxiety.

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I've heard the punchline as Xanax. Same difference.

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I am 71 and all this CRT and wokeness and talk of being cis-gendered or whatever does have a feeling of cultness. Like the Emperor with no clothes and everyone in the crowd admiring how beautiful his clothes were, save one child who had the innocence of brutal truth to blurt out, “The Emperor has no clothes!”

The spell was broken as even the Emperor looked down and could see he was wearing no clothes.

I can understand how in the corporate world people who have spent decades of their lives trying to get to the top would “go along to get along” with this WF bullshit, but I think a cult is a cult and a bad fad is a bad fad.

Eventually (sooner rather than later I hope), the clear thinkers with eyes to see will come to the same conclusion as Rodney King did: “Can’t we all just get along?!”

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Right, like when the In Crowd used to say how "beautiful" and "brave" Caitlyn Jenner is/was.

Um... Looks like Bruce Jenner with bad plastic surgery and fake tits. So... like every other Hollywood hag who's "been to the best". Jenner should have just fucking aged naturally and changed sexes. Nope... had to look like Michael Jackson.

Fuck that shit...

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