That is absolutely ridiculous. He was a man with conviction and he recognized the game the State Dept. was playing - all about desperately trying to slime China, and unable to cope with their ascendancy. He tried to counter it. Shame on you. He’s on your side.
Nope. What you’re seeing and have seen is what happens when something novel, defying prior experience comes along. It happens every time. And in the emotionally charged highly pressured and politicized world we live in, the scientific data often takes a back seat while grandstanding politicians seek exposure.
He’s sound morally and scientifically. And I’ve seen him in both milieus.
Oh please....it wasn’t THAT novel. He was a scientist in charge of managing a health care crisis. No cover for Fauci. He was at the helm for a very long time. He should have been prepared for anything especially knowing what was going on with gain of function research in China. We all saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears his dismissive stance on some very intelligent research Doctors in this country who proposed reasonable policy for virus treatment that could have saved lives. They were stepping up and offering solutions based on their years of medical experience. These Drs voices were cancelled and some were fired from hospitals and medical boards. We were left with direction from one man. Everyday we watched him and he lied about social distancing, isolation and vaccines. You say you’ve seen him and you think you are a good character witness because of that. If you can live with that good for you, but for all of us out here, we are still picking up the pieces from his disaster. He owns every bit of it.
Hindsight is 20/20. The gain of function work has not been linked to covid19. He didn’t lie. He was analogizing with flu. It was not like flu in terms of infectivity. That’s it. That was novel enough to derail the needed preventive measures.
But America’s awful Covid outcomes, with by far the most deaths and cases, and theoretically engendering the most mutations, is important to be remembered. And the lessons should not be forgotten. But they will be.
When China presented the Covid story to the world at the WHO meeting of Jan 5 2020, EU countries like Germany and Denmark raced home and instituted common sense measures of masking, handwashing and contact tracing, America unwisely did nothing. There was and is a large price to pay.
MULTIPLE studies both here and in Europe have shown that masks do not work, they are actually damaging to small children who are immune anyway. Fauci and Biden lied when they claimed that the vaccine would prevent spread of the virus, 6 foot distancing is useless and was a number pulled out of thin air, contact tracing helps in some cases but is extremely labor intensive, Sweden and other countries who did not lock down were no worse off re Covid and they did not suffer the massive and so far irreversible economic damages. Fauci has made millions from his stock in Big Pharma and he utterly betrayed America by attending more to his own investments and his growing fame and by lying to cover it all up.
He knew from the start that a country-wide lockdown was inappropriate , damaging, ineffective and was NEVER part of the pre-pandemic plans formulated by the CDC/NIH/etc. long before Covid arrived. And he will retire with pantloads of our money.
Because of the way Fauci and other bigwigs in health care handled things, we Americans have lost faith in "experts" and will NEVER again believe tham should another pandemic come along.
It happens every time? Could you provide another example or two? The actual scientific data - not "The Science" that Fauci claimed he embodied - was suppressed by Fauci and his colleagues. So was every attempt to supply a more credible narrative - see what they did to the Great Barrington Declaration.
At first I thought you were being sarcastic, but some of your other comments make me question that (as utterly absurd that would be…) No sentient being could ever seriously argue that Fauci is a man of conviction on anyone’s side but his own…
Not so fast Kemosabe - I blame the CCP AND the US. China slow walked COVID with their bullshit denials that continue to this day. So take me off your list of those don't hold China culpable. Now go get in your car and make sure you put on your mask !
1. If you re-arrange the letters of George Cornell it is either Lord Voldemort or Xi Jinping, or both.
2. " . . . desperately trying to slime China, and unable to cope with their ascendancy . . ." OMG. We have to be being played, no?
Finally, the Kemosabe reference. That be old school. Based on a TV show from 60 years ago? What this governing party will never get is that the Lone Ranger's sidekick was respected and admired. They can't have that.
Wrong - it is the sequencing that shows it had to have been created artificially. It contains a sequence that the lab was deliberately trying to embed.
Zoonotic spread is "the usual" - the usual what? If it were a flu that came via birds or swine, yes. But this was a virus that infected an entire city that housed the very Institute where the virus was being studied, funded thanks to Fauci and his increasingly-wealthy buddies at the NIH. The "very likely" scenario is human error, and yes that DOES happen almost routinely.
It had to start somewhere. So what happened in Kansas City where the 1918 flu pandemic started? The usual is that eventually mutations accumulate in the wild to enable jump from animal to animal and to man.
That may be the usual for most pandemics but this one was being heavily tested in the lab in the very city where it broke out, and there is simply no credible evidence for the existence of a carrier species that started it.
I really think that, when more is revealed, Tony Fauci will be recognized as a force for evil.
That is absolutely ridiculous. He was a man with conviction and he recognized the game the State Dept. was playing - all about desperately trying to slime China, and unable to cope with their ascendancy. He tried to counter it. Shame on you. He’s on your side.
Correction. He is a man hiding misdeeds, lying and cashing in. I find him repulsive
Nope. What you’re seeing and have seen is what happens when something novel, defying prior experience comes along. It happens every time. And in the emotionally charged highly pressured and politicized world we live in, the scientific data often takes a back seat while grandstanding politicians seek exposure.
He’s sound morally and scientifically. And I’ve seen him in both milieus.
Oh please....it wasn’t THAT novel. He was a scientist in charge of managing a health care crisis. No cover for Fauci. He was at the helm for a very long time. He should have been prepared for anything especially knowing what was going on with gain of function research in China. We all saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears his dismissive stance on some very intelligent research Doctors in this country who proposed reasonable policy for virus treatment that could have saved lives. They were stepping up and offering solutions based on their years of medical experience. These Drs voices were cancelled and some were fired from hospitals and medical boards. We were left with direction from one man. Everyday we watched him and he lied about social distancing, isolation and vaccines. You say you’ve seen him and you think you are a good character witness because of that. If you can live with that good for you, but for all of us out here, we are still picking up the pieces from his disaster. He owns every bit of it.
Hindsight is 20/20. The gain of function work has not been linked to covid19. He didn’t lie. He was analogizing with flu. It was not like flu in terms of infectivity. That’s it. That was novel enough to derail the needed preventive measures.
But America’s awful Covid outcomes, with by far the most deaths and cases, and theoretically engendering the most mutations, is important to be remembered. And the lessons should not be forgotten. But they will be.
When China presented the Covid story to the world at the WHO meeting of Jan 5 2020, EU countries like Germany and Denmark raced home and instituted common sense measures of masking, handwashing and contact tracing, America unwisely did nothing. There was and is a large price to pay.
MULTIPLE studies both here and in Europe have shown that masks do not work, they are actually damaging to small children who are immune anyway. Fauci and Biden lied when they claimed that the vaccine would prevent spread of the virus, 6 foot distancing is useless and was a number pulled out of thin air, contact tracing helps in some cases but is extremely labor intensive, Sweden and other countries who did not lock down were no worse off re Covid and they did not suffer the massive and so far irreversible economic damages. Fauci has made millions from his stock in Big Pharma and he utterly betrayed America by attending more to his own investments and his growing fame and by lying to cover it all up.
He knew from the start that a country-wide lockdown was inappropriate , damaging, ineffective and was NEVER part of the pre-pandemic plans formulated by the CDC/NIH/etc. long before Covid arrived. And he will retire with pantloads of our money.
Because of the way Fauci and other bigwigs in health care handled things, we Americans have lost faith in "experts" and will NEVER again believe tham should another pandemic come along.
Oh wow, you’re serious.
Yup and you base your snark on what, your self-anointed thoughtfulness?
How much is your grant funding?
What’s the password to your wife’s computer?
So 🎯
It happens every time? Could you provide another example or two? The actual scientific data - not "The Science" that Fauci claimed he embodied - was suppressed by Fauci and his colleagues. So was every attempt to supply a more credible narrative - see what they did to the Great Barrington Declaration.
He can be both
At first I thought you were being sarcastic, but some of your other comments make me question that (as utterly absurd that would be…) No sentient being could ever seriously argue that Fauci is a man of conviction on anyone’s side but his own…
Only someone who relies on a grant from NIH .
He’s been on a few hot seats and I think the HIV experience taught him to cya. Sure.
Open your eyes
Conviction - the act or process of finding a person guilty of a crime especially in a court of law.
Yeah, he going to get a conviction alright.
Only if you are a CCP official
Really?
Not so fast Kemosabe - I blame the CCP AND the US. China slow walked COVID with their bullshit denials that continue to this day. So take me off your list of those don't hold China culpable. Now go get in your car and make sure you put on your mask !
1. If you re-arrange the letters of George Cornell it is either Lord Voldemort or Xi Jinping, or both.
2. " . . . desperately trying to slime China, and unable to cope with their ascendancy . . ." OMG. We have to be being played, no?
Finally, the Kemosabe reference. That be old school. Based on a TV show from 60 years ago? What this governing party will never get is that the Lone Ranger's sidekick was respected and admired. They can't have that.
Jay Silverheels was an underrated artist
I believe that.
There was no lab leak. T least that’s what the sequencing indicates and it’s hard science. Why do you want it to be true?
Wrong - it is the sequencing that shows it had to have been created artificially. It contains a sequence that the lab was deliberately trying to embed.
Link please and what is “it”?
Nobody knew at the time. And it’s still uncertain but zoonotic spread which is the usual route btw, seems very likely.
Zoonotic spread is "the usual" - the usual what? If it were a flu that came via birds or swine, yes. But this was a virus that infected an entire city that housed the very Institute where the virus was being studied, funded thanks to Fauci and his increasingly-wealthy buddies at the NIH. The "very likely" scenario is human error, and yes that DOES happen almost routinely.
It had to start somewhere. So what happened in Kansas City where the 1918 flu pandemic started? The usual is that eventually mutations accumulate in the wild to enable jump from animal to animal and to man.
That may be the usual for most pandemics but this one was being heavily tested in the lab in the very city where it broke out, and there is simply no credible evidence for the existence of a carrier species that started it.
Nope. It was not the same virus.
Oh Lord you have gone down the rabbit hole. Of course it was the same virus. Sheesh.