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Anon38901932047's avatar

It kinda looks like any candidate who would threaten Neocon goals will be tarred with the brush of "illegitimacy." Neocons have a strong presence within both the Dems and Repubs. I believe Neocons want to use US power in all its forms to intimidate, dominate and coerce every other nation. They try to use every opportunity to enlarge US power and influence. War and geopolitical confrontation are merely tools toward this aim. They are not reluctant to wage a war. From the Neocon point of view, it's justifiable to use any tactic to keep the likes of Sanders and Trump out of power. They don't value the Bill of Rights. They're more than happy to suppress free speech in the US and criminalize "misinformation spreaders."

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SimulationCommander's avatar

Exactly. They attack Ron Paul and Tulsi Gabbard the same way and for the same reason: REAL anti-war views.

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lucrezia's avatar

What about the non-neocons who like Sanders, but don't like Trump, (I think you mean Rand not Ron) Paul, and Gabbard? Or the non-neocons who like the latter trio but don't much care for Sanders?

And even if any of these four were somehow elected, what makes you think that they could get any meaningful legislation enacted? And you have completely ignored corporate America, which walks hand-in hand with the neo-cons.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

I didn't ignore them, they're the one spouting the narrative.

And Ron Paul was being attacked long before Rand was even in Congress.

https://www.cc.com/video/in35c7/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-indecision-2012-corn-polled-edition-ron-paul-the-top-tier

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lucrezia's avatar

Ron Paul should have been attacked before he reached the 6th grade.

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Koshmarov's avatar

Maybe he was. Realizing that the authority which claims to provide one security in exchange for obedience will not hold up its end of the bargain might be a factor in one's later gravitation towards libertarian politics.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

Indeed. I explored this idea in an article a while back, and we've gathered some pretty interesting stories (share yours if you like)!

https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/why-are-you-like-this

TL;DR you're mostly correct, there seems to be an event when people are young that causes them not to trust authority.

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Gail's avatar

I’d vote for a DeSantis/Gabbard ticket in a minute. They’re smart and have a good rappport

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I'd vote yea for DeSantis/Gabbard too---if the choice was between casting them off (or not) into the Atlantic (or Pacific, to defer to the lady from Hawaii) on a balsa wood raft kitted out with nothing but a barrel of water and a case of Tobasco Sauce.

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Someone From Texas's avatar

Lithium is effective, and available as a generic. I’d suggest you try some to keep the voices in your head at bay.

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lucrezia's avatar

I'm am on lithium, but with my body and rare blood type the effect is to amplify the voices in my head, not mute them. Apologies to all.

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lucrezia's avatar

"BORING, INSIPID GROUPTHINK."

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Gail's avatar

I so love the name Lucretia. Years ago I purchased a pair of enamel on copper convex painted images of Lucretia and Tarquin in prof, facing each other. They were 17th century Florentine wry stylized black and shadow in chiaroscuro on pristine white. Areas had crackled with age.They were prized. And I dropped them face down on coral pavers. He looked so profoundly sad before he hit the ground. When I picked it up, his eye was gone. Dropped it againNow the enamel shattered end all that remained was his coiffed wig on a copper background. I swear Lucrezia was smiling. Bitch!

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Feral Finster's avatar

Power is to sociopaths what catnip is to cats.

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Koshmarov's avatar

Catnip is harmless though. LEGALIZE IT!

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Scuba Cat's avatar

It's not legal? Chewy.com has some explaining to do.

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Koshmarov's avatar

This is just further proof that cats run things and are above the law.

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Scuba Cat's avatar

Cats are above everything, not just the law. The good news is that they are easily bored and would forget they were supposed to run things. They'd just get distracted and start chasing grasshoppers. Come to think of it, we need more cats in congress.

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Feral Finster's avatar

I am not against it

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Pacificus's avatar

All I know is that catnip makes our boi Mr Hef role around on the floor in ecstasy--and if that's a crime, arrest us both!

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Feral Finster's avatar

Try silvervine. It is to catnip what crack is to cocaine.

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Gail's avatar

Scorpions are better people than politicians.

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Feral Finster's avatar

Probably true, but why call us "people".

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Feral Finster's avatar

Good to see more of us here. Chirrup!

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Fran's avatar

During the Trump years the neocons gravitated to the democrats. This has been noted by many, including Glen Greenwald. Why do you think the Biden administration has a bunch of neocons in their State Department, including Nuland, a significant participant in the coup in 2014 and overheard planning what US policy should be in Ukraine. ,

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SimulationCommander's avatar

That's why whenever anybody asks who's actually running the show, I say "The Obama team, now with more neocons!!"

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Pacificus's avatar

What you say is unendiably true, but never forget, "orange man bad!"

It's so obvious what's really going on, and so tiresome that so many either don't want or can't bear to face the truth.

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Fran's avatar

Is Trump flawed? Yes! But no wars for the first time in the 21st century, and now with Biden we may be on the brink of war with Russia. Trump was better then Bush/Cheney for sure, not millions dead, displaced, tortured on his watch. Do you think Hilary is good? She loves war, and would have taken us into another as she did in Libya which was based on a lie. Once a vibrant country it is now a total horror, with slave markets that were never there before. Basically Hilary was behind trying to remove Trump from office. You'll agree, I'm sure, she is arrogant with a pathological need for power. Assange agrees with me. It was upsetting to see her laugh when she heard Gaddafi died, sodomized by a sword, and she kept laughing which was even more upsetting. Has Trump done bad things like support sanctions on Venezuela and Iran and overturn the Iran deal, yeah I thought that was bad, but the democrats backed him up. And so it goes. Democrats, and the no more independent press created a black and white world during the Trump years, Trump bad, democrats good. Trump supporters bad, Biden followers good. Black and white world, black and white thinking and a fiery guarded red wall to bring it home, and divide a country.

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Fran's avatar

Just a comment if you were serious about Trump being bad.

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Outis's avatar

Neocon and neolib are the same thing. They really don't care which party they use. Same agenda, different packaging. Since Obama's election, I've simply preferred to call them "neos."

Ironically, part of the WEF narrative is to admit to the failure of neoliberalism - which is to be replaced by Stakeholder Capitalism...which of course is actually neoliberalism on steroids and part of the so-called Build Back Better. Of course, when the majority hear a politician bashing neoliberalism, they will think the politician is "on their side." Beware....they are simply doing a "bait and switch." We should be used to this from the elites by now. The state of Youtube and the internet in general should be enough proof of this. They start out promising you freedom and utopia, and in the end, corral you into a prison that you cannot escape.

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Melanie's avatar

bingo ... well said ... see my comment above ONE party.

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Confucius cypress's avatar

Well said. I would add the FBI and CIA to the team of neocons. I think we crossed the Rubicon in 2020. They were caught off guard in 2016 but they weren't gonna let it happen again. I think the alphabets and neocons in both parties cheated...period.

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Feral Finster's avatar

After 2016, the alphabet agencies (to the cheers of Team D and the Team R mainstream) have usurped a de facto veto over election results that they don't like.

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Gail's avatar

Look at the UK and Italy. They held clean elections and because the elected winners were not status quo beaucrats, they’re Nazis. While the actual Nazis are the Ukraine, EU , US ,UN, WEF “ Young Global Leaders” and the kleptotechnocorporate multinational monopolies creating a transhuman Brave New World of oppression, slavery, surveillance and misery.” You will own nothing, have no privacy and be happy”.

We attribute it to Klaus Schwab, but it was actually the oppressor character in Huxley’s epic warning” Brave New World” , published in 1931!

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Confucius cypress's avatar

Great comment. Sweden went far right too and Hungary is already there. With these idiots cutting down nordstream they're gonna polarize all of europe. Revolution is in the French DNA. Germany will put someone up just left of Hitler if they go cold this winter. Unless the alphabets want a return to cold war Europe, who knows with the CIA. Obama and his advisors playing the short game trying to be everything KLAUS while the CIA is trying to sabotage the EU? Someone should a write a book about it.

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Gail's avatar

All part of the plan. If you follow the chain of distractions and created catastrophes… If you’ve read Brave New World and 1984,… The Great Reset if life imitating art. Even the verbiage.” You’ll own nothing and be happy” Klaus Schwab.

“ You’ll own nothing and enjoy your slavery”… Aldous Huxley’s antagonist in Brave New World. 1931

But to wholly absorb how inexplicably prescient and prophetic Huxley was, search Mike Wallace/ Aldous Huxley interview 1958. Chilling is an understatement. Wallace was so patronizing and out of his league. He mocked Huxley’s “ Dystopic vision”. I really wish Wallace was right. You MUST watch it. Also Huxley’s amazing “ tutorial” describing the Hindu Dancing Shiva. Mind blowing. He literally disseminates the coronavirus , ensnaring evil and Shiva’s foot subjugating the hideous dwarf, representative of maintaining balance by not allowing evil to escape. Lastly, watch his 1962 seminar at UC Berkeley.

His prophecy has come to be and ironically, today’s transhumanist enthusiasts despise Huxley. Good is bad, slavery is freedom and so on.

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Confucius cypress's avatar

I'll watch them, thanks. Its funny you said Wallace was patronizing, his son is too.

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Gail's avatar

Chris Wallace reminds me of a small town gossipy church lady. The prissy pursed lips, speech cadence and predetermined assessment. The difference being he is Jewish lite and a New York born lifer. The small town church ladies have an excuse.

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Confucius cypress's avatar

Oh thats just funny. Remember Dana carvey doing the church lady on SNL(when it was funny) . I would pay to see him wear a Wallace wig and pretend he's Wallace scolding trump in that debate. Comedy gold

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