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Diamond Boy's avatar

I thought the same way about Obama‘s election. Trump following Obama furthered my belief that America was truly a democracy.

The elite sure do not like actual democracy. Idiot Trump supporters come with democracy.

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Sevender's avatar

Meanwhile, idiot Biden supporters are busy bringing on a different form of government.

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Paul A's avatar

Oh stop it. Biden is a bland centrist politician, whose primary distinguishing characteristic is tireless support for credit card companies. His supporters are basically Democrats, a large, big tent party that is controlled by its centrist corporate wing. Neither he nor his party are bringing in any "different form of government". Unlike, say, Republicans who wholeheartedly support the violent overthrow of America and the installation of a joke of a reality show host as dictator for life. Take your right wing nutjob bullshit back to Breitbart.

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Liberal here who never voted for Trump. Biden may have been a bland centrist at one point; today he is compromised both physically and ethically. Democrats are lined up in support of HR1, guaranteed to bring one-party rule to the USA for a hundred years. They're lined up in favor of discrimination against Jews, whites, anyone who fails to demonstrate sufficient zeal in the party's march toward authoritarianism. The party as a whole supports censorship and denial of due process based on tribal characteristics.

That defines a different form of government from the liberal Western democracies arising from the Enlightenment. I was a liberal Democrat from 1960 to 2009 (yes. I'm older than dirt). I have no party today.

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As an aside, it's astonishing how much abuse and 'Anti-Semitism' so-called Jews are will to take from Democrats. I have had this discussion with my Jewish husband and he insists most Jews are not Jewish 'religiously' as they are atheists today.

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ThePossum's avatar

Not this Jew! I'm not religious either, as I consider myself an ethnic and cultural Jew... But this leftist garbage that includes a near-fanatical hatred of Jews under cover of global progressive values is suicide.

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So why do so many Democrat, leftist Jews remain silent whilst the Anti-Semitism grows in various parts of the Democrat Party? It sounds harsh but it's like walking to the ovens without protesting....

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ThePossum's avatar

I wish I knew. This lack of self preservation is completely alien to me

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Latouche's avatar

You've self-identified elsewhere in these threads as having once worked with an assortment of spooks, military guys, government officials, etc., in some capacity. If this is true, I would like to think from your experiences you come to TK with a unique perspective not shared by most here. That's a pretty dire forecast above. And it's rather broad in its generalizations. Anything that stands out in your mind that might bring all this to fruition? And why, for instance, you single out the democrats for their authoritarianism?

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We must restore the citizenry's trust in our elections. In two consecutive elections we've had half of the country believe the other half stole the election; no democracy can survive the loss of faith of its electorate. The key is the audit trail. That is the ability to trace the ballot from printing through conveying to the voter and the voter casting the ballot to the ballot's being counted and results certified. Anything that breaks the audit trail introduces the opportunity for mischief.

A broken audit trail isn't proof of anything; an intact audit trail, though is strong evidence of absence of fraud. Anything that weakens the audit trail can allow for the introduction of fraud. We need a front to back examination of the most recent two presidential elections, not to overturn them, but to identify where fraud might enter the processes. We then can address fixing vulnerabilities.

The vote-casting process begins with providing the voter access to one ballot. Is the person standing in front of me the one who is registered to vote? In most case we verify identity with government-issued identification cards.

We have used absentee ballots for years. The process was to provide identification and request an absentee ballot from officials. The absentee ballot is then provided to the voter or sent to her/him through the mail. That is a "pull" system. There is an audit trail starting with the request for the absentee ballot and completed with the receipt of the ballot at election headquarters, where the voter's signature is compared to the signature on an outer envelope. The outer envelope is separated from its contents to maintain secrecy of the ballot. The ballot itself is extracted from the inner envelope and put into the "cast" pile from which it will be counted and the vote added to the totals for all issues and elections on the ballot. All of this takes place in full view of representatives from all parties involved in the election.

If election officials mail ballots to the last known address of a voter, there is no way to establish an audit trail. That is a push system. A push system is guaranteed to send some ballots to the wrong address. About 20% of the U.S. population moves every year. If the home address was verified a year ago, there is a 20% chance that the ballot winds up in the wrong hands. If it has been two years, the usual interval between U.S. elections, the chance is 35% that it went to the wrong person. Many voters only vote during presidential elections every four years. During that time, a majority of voters will have moved.

The ballot can be returned via US mail, in person, or by a third party. The third party method is known as ballot harvesting. A single harvester may collect one hundred to five hundred ballots. If a ballot has been mailed out to the voter's last known address - the push system - then a ballot harvester picks it up for delivery to the election counting authorities, and the voter's signature on the outer ballot is not compared to her/his signature on the voter rolls, the audit trail has been compromised three times.

After arrival at ballot counting headquarters, everything is supposed to be witnessed by two or more people. Poll watchers are supposed to have uninterrupted access to all activities. If they do not, there is an opportunity for fraud to enter the process. I do not claim that there was any fraud in either the 2016 or 2020 election. My objective is to get a complete audit to reassure the electorate that our elections are not rigged.

The most secure method of voting is via paper ballot. When machines are used they can be manipulated or changed. One way that machines can be manipulated is via the internet. That is why there is no admitted internet connection to the machines. That is why machines are subject to subpoena and are rarely wiped clean until all possible subpoenas have been accounted for.

Federal law requires that voter rolls be reviewed every so often, perhaps every two or four years. That way on election day there should be no county in the country that has more registered voters than adults eligible to vote.

Of all that: HR1 prohibits requiring identification to vote, it prohibits comparing signatures for absentee ballots, it requires mass mailing of blank ballots to last known address for all voters, with the push system being required for use. It authorizes ballot harvesting for all jurisdictions in the country.

The election machines and software used in Fulton County, GA, reported results through a server in Europe, and were wiped clean while under subpoena. Broward County, FL, was one of 39 counties in the US that recorded more 2020 votes than adults; the county's rolls have not been purged of inactive or dead voters in years, accounting for four orders of magnitude greater number of centenarians living in the county than global average would predict. The chief of elections in the county routinely opened absentee and mail-out ballots with no one else present, and swore that the extraordinary number of people aged over 100 voted in ever election. She was finally removed. Practices such as requiring voter ID, requiring all counties to provide drop-off locations for ballots and purging voter rolls in accordance with federal law are all described by our President as "Jim Crow 2.0"

Why do I call out Democrats? I've never been a Republican; I was a Democrat until I realized the party had adopted pursuit of power rather than liberalism as its core. Have you heard a former smoker beat up on current smokers? I'm a former Democrat. Same thing.

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Latouche's avatar

"...I was a Democrat until I realized the party had adopted pursuit of power rather than liberalism as its core..."

Somebody had better notify the Republicans about this new development---they've been too busy hosting their bake sales for underprivileged children....

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jbt1980's avatar

Discrimination against Jews? With 6 out of 22 cabinet positions held by them?

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publius_x's avatar

Angry petitioning of idiots in congress <> violent overthrow of government. Anyone who believes otherwise has an agenda.

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Paul A's avatar

And, I would point out, that in 2016, after Trump won, there were a couple Democrats whining that they didn't want to certify the electoral college votes. It was Biden who gaveled them down and proceeded with the process. And as much as Democrats hated Trump, I didn't see a hoard of them rush into Congress with zip ties and nooses while police are leading them away from the legislators who are barricading the doors for protection.

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norstadt's avatar

The zip ties were left there by police. 4 protesters and 0 cops dead makes me think there wasn't much violence coming from the "mob".

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publius_x's avatar

What's the name of the "fascist blue lives pig" who executed Babbitt?

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Todd's avatar

Lt. Michael Leroy Byrd has been identified as her murderer by several sources. The majority of media won’t report it due to fear or because they support her murder.

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CC's avatar

Lt. BYRD is black - so his official exposure would destroy the Democrat narrative that only white cops kill...

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Jeff's avatar

A absolutely nothing. Too bad she wasn't a black democrat. At least someone would th en care that an unarmed woman tresspasser was gunned down by the cops.

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Sevender's avatar

There were zero police casualties. Zero.

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norstadt's avatar

How do you know the police deaths were due to the riot? Maybe they were due to the lack of more rioting.

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Lurch's avatar

That sounds like the family is overstating the relevance in order to get better death benefits. I'm not hating, it's exactly what I'd do too. But don't mistake it for accurate reporting.

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norstadt's avatar

"Look what you made me do" is a better line than a song...

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Maybe you did not notice the riots and fires on the streets of D.C. after Trumps election. Or the celebrities wanting to blow up the W.H. while others just screamed like insane lunatics while foaming at the mouth. But hay they were just leftists doing their usual sidewalk act while the media fawned and praised them doing their "civic duty."

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Adam's avatar

Oh, you mean like in 2018 when they did this? What do you think would have happened in this case if those doors hadn't held? You think this mob would have just politely stood at the doorway? People have an amazingly short memory these days

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRnmnxVtDqg

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Paul A's avatar

Just because most of them were too pathetic to carry it out doesn't alter their clear intentions.

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publius_x's avatar

You're a partisan hack. Not going down the rabbit hole with someone who honestly believes that party affiliation is meaningful for anyone except the people at the top who cash the checks.

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Latouche's avatar

Party affiliation is still meaningful only for the people who don't cash the checks.

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publius_x's avatar

if you're writing the checks but not cashing the checks, you're - how to put this - "on the wrong side of history"

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Some people are routinely excused and rewarded by an appeal to intent despite their bad behavior and results. The reverse is also true. In fact, this line of thinking informs FBI entrapment techniques.

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Galleta's avatar

They wuz clinging to their Gawd and guns, amiright ‘tard? Amiright Dey wuz clinging to their Gawd and guns?

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After the three letter agencies inserted themselves in to the election process and the DOJ stood silent maybe it is time to flush this entire government down the toilet bowel of history.

Trump was just a visible symbol that exposed the little man behind the curtain. The shadow gov't had to come out from its' hidden lair to dump Trump. Trump himself is irrelevant but his flushing the real power behind the elected puppets into the open will be his legacy. The complete panic on the part of the Deep State was a sight to behold. Both Democrats and Republicans are cowered completely by the permeant bureaucracy that never dies, sleeps or forgets. It never grows smaller do matter the POTUS or his policies. Solhenitsyn rightly identified them as the "organs of government." A body cannot live without its' organs. We have a case of the lower bowel dictation to the brain.

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FROM HIS MOUTH:

"“The affirmative task we have now is, uh, to actually, uh, create, uh, New World Order because the global order is changing again. And the institutions and the rules that worked so well in the post-World War II era for decades, they need to be strengthened, and some need to be changed…. So we have to lead. We have to update the rules of the road, and we have to do it in a way that maximizes benefits for everyone, because it’s overwhelmingly in our interest that China prosper, that Mongolia prosper. …We have to level the playing field.”

“You mean, Mr. Biden, you are more concerned about making sure China and Mongolia prosper than American workers?"

https://relationshipscience.com/person/joseph-r-biden-jr-4403054

https://www.worldviewweekend.com/news/article/8-tenets-new-world-order-revealed-and-every-one-them-ballot-nov-3

The new world order, no one has anything more than anyone else. Do you know what kind of government that is? Hint... voting won't be necessary.

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Anon's avatar

I really hope you're right about Biden not changing much. His parroting of Great Reset "build back better" rhetoric makes me worry about the degree to which he's captured by the companies (tech, pharma, credit card) who are looking to bring "social credit" (rebranded as "social impact investing") to the US with covid as the excuse

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Sevender's avatar

You’re like a case study in the DSM.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Centrist democrat in todays day and age is right wing. Pure and simple.

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Gary Hemminger's avatar

Of course the main problem is propagandists and their following like you on both sides. The Republicans aren't the problem. the Democrats aren't the problem. The Republicans and Democrats are the problem. Get with the program and realize your side is messed up too.

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Latouche's avatar

Thank you.

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Anon's avatar

Well, clearly, because convoluted identity politics jargon is a club they can use to bludgeon the economic populist wing of their party with, who they hate more than they ever hated the right.

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Obama was a legit electoral victory, both times, because the MSM/ICs had great polls, no reason to activate their resources. His election a lighthouse beacon that the USA was beyond racism. Anybody who suggests otherwise is trying to fool you. I did not vote of him either time but I totally accepted his legitimacy.

Same with Trump 2016. Polls convinced the MSM and ICs and Deep State that Hillary was a shoo in. No actual vote intervention required because the polls convinced them the bitch slap on Bernie plus MSM denialism on legit DNC email leaks was enough. Hillary was a done deal. Then the unthinkable happened and Trump won, legit.

But 2020? Trump was way down in the polls but everyone including the ICS knew those numbers were fake. So the ICs worked their overseas elections magic here, activating Dominion plus the usual foot soldiers, because no way they would make the 2016 mistake again. Every cheat previously used on foreign soil was used here. Ohio may as well be Burma to the Deep State. Hunter laptop was Russian propaganda, remember? LOL!

AZ audit will make clear the corruption of the vote. Or the suppression of the audit will make the same case.

Our gov't, Dem & Rep, legislative and especially executive, is captured by the globalist, giant corporations. Trump stood against them, his mortal sin. We need more Americans like that, be it Trump or another patriot willing to throw themselves into the breech.

Question is, are you an American? Or are you a blip ceding all power to giant multinational corporations as run by the social credit score of YT FB or the CCP?

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Madjack's avatar

Great post. Well stated!!

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Stxbuck's avatar

So do sheeple getting suckered by Obama......

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DarkSkyBest's avatar

Are any of you commenters in Illinois? If you voted for him, why? First Black President. That is a wonderful thing, but apparently all you white people doing that meant nothing because this country is more "racist" than ever?

Before being nominated for Pres, what did he ever accomplish --- seriously --- name something. You voted for him because he was Black. And, tragically, he could have accomplished a lot if he wasn't afraid of losing re-election. He "evolved" on gay marriage after he was re-elected. Just another Chicago politician.

But good for him, Biden is, beyond his wildest dreams, Obama 2.0.

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Born and raised in Chicago. Still live here. You do not become a democrat of standing in the state of Illinois (much less Cook County) if you’re not in bed with criminals. That’s just a fact.

Well intended or not, he was raised, promoted, and ordained by a sinister, criminal organization….

I’m not an Obama hater, but anyone in this state knows that only criminals get standing in the Illinois Democratic Party.

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Supposedly didn't Obama come to Illinois because of Tony Reszko? Why did he come to Illiinos? Didn't he and M get their home from Rezko? Not saying they didn't pay SOMETHING for it. Wasn't M getting paid 6 figures for a basically ghost payroll job at an Illinois hospital, allegedly? Yes, it has been the hard knock life for Barack and M as members of the Illinois Democratic Party.

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The answer to each question is yes.

Like I said, well intended or not, criminal organizations breed criminals.

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Stxbuck's avatar

Michelle was getting paid 350K a year to be the “diversity coordinator” at the hospital-her actual title, or something very close.

Rezko also struck a deal with Saddam Hussein’s ex-finance minister and oil for food scam bagman to help the Obama’s buy their Chicago home. The Obama’s did not have enough cash to buy the entire parcel-something like .5 acre in midtown Chicago, in addition to the house, so Rezko stepped in to help them. Rezko’s wife only made like 35k and his only source of income at the time was a line of credit from said Saddam regime crony in London.

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Michelle Obama couldn't make partnership at her law firm; She just wasn't that good of a lawyer. So she became a 'diversity coordinator at a local Chicago hospital for $125K. Then Barack became a Senator and was able to get a $2 million earmark for said hospital and magically Michelle's income was bumped to $325K. This was all written about in (surprisingly) a New Yorker magazine article circa 2009. I'd tell Dem friends about the grift and they didn't think it was anything. LOL

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Kurt's avatar

It was in Kenwood, not midtown Chicago. I don't think any of us refer to anyplace in Chicago as midtown.

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Stxbuck's avatar

I thought it was Hyde Park but I really don’t know-I am not overly familiar with the city.

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Kurt's avatar

It's the neighborhood immediately north of Hyde Park. Kenwood was where the real money was in the early 20th century; it's where the amazing mansions are located. Obama's house is in Hyde Park. The parcel was in Kenwood. It's a mish mash of stories.

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publius_x's avatar

And, per prexy 46, he is clean and neat, too.

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Diamond Boy's avatar

Obama was good, I liked him, well-meaning I think.

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Stxbuck's avatar

Obama went too far, too fast and got captured by the GloboCaps. I agree his election in 08’ in the abstract-the election of the first African American president-was a good sign for American democracy, but the product occupying the WH was abhorrent, policy-wise. I’ve never heard anything personally negative or obnoxious about Obama.

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He liked his smokes. Funny how big a deal eating "bad for you" McDonald's was for Clinton and Trump, but nobody ever took Barry to task for the cancer sticks.

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Right - but it's the lack of intellectual honesty that is the ongoing problem. Remember, for at least 3 years, Obama and Bloomberg were contemporary public figures. Bloomberg got raves for his attempts to meddle in private citizens' health-affecting behavior by the same media that took a hard pass at even looking at Obama's truly destructive personal habit. Role model, etc...

The other thing that nobody mentions is that he always had the social climber thing in him. For someone with such distain for white supremacist culture, he definitely found a way to participate.

Occidental wasn't high-class enough... so he transferred to NYC's Columbia... Columbia was low-rent Ivy League... so he went to Harvard Law...

Now he relaxes on Martha's Vineyard, of all places.

Isn't it odd for a family to have not really felt proud of its country to partake in some of the most genteel (or gentile) traditions of education/lifestyle that have gone on since the 1700s?

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Thomas Heath's avatar

Obama is half-white. He's lucky insofar that his white half will pay his black half for all the "injustices" he's done to himself.

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Stxbuck's avatar

A DNA test revealed that Obama has a genetic link to the very first shipload of slaves that landed in Virginia in 1619-from his mom’s side!!!!!!

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My family lost all of their land and belongs when they fled Poland to avoid being murdered by Nazis (at least, the ones who survived). And no, I don't want to kick off whoever now lives on that land and "reclaim" it for myself.

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You mean the land those black and Hispanic people stole from Native Americans?

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By "Hispanic" I'm sure you mean "Spanish Conquistadors", correct? Then what about the French? Are you going to "give back" the lands sold by Napoleon to the USA in the Louisiana Purchase? What about the aggrevied Russians that ran out of Sea Otters to slaughter? They want Alaska back! ;-)

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I have always thought he was very dismissive of his white banker grandparents whom he lived with in Hawaii and footed the bill for his prep school education. His mother obviously rejected their milieu, but came back when her kid needed the advantages their $$$$ could provide.

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It's called (Liberal) Hypocrisy. It's the Democrat party malady.

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Latouche's avatar

But one item from above I embrace you for: "Columbia was a low-rent Ivy League." Can hardly wait to share this with all my Columbia grad friends.

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"....The other thing that nobody mentions is that he always had the social climber thing in him. For someone with such distain for white supremacist culture, he definitely found a way to participate...."

Ya, but as president ya gotta hit all the weird events that different American constituencies engage in, and besides, I think he only attended a few cross-burnings.

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Latouche's avatar

Ya, next thing you know he'll be sittin' in the front of the bus....

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The man hasn't taken a bus in 30 years. And won't forever more. That's the effing point. He wouldn't know mass transportation if you spotted him the ass and transport.

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Latouche's avatar

That was a reference to you not-so-subtle racism is your comment.

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Thanks. I always wanted to be called a racist on the internet. As if that takes courage.

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Of course. And it takes one of the two to suggest that the other guy is a sociopath, but not me...

And it takes an army of them to suggest that their favorite cannot possibly be a sociopath, because policy.

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9 cigs a day by someone you don't personally know can absolutely be treated as a laughing matter. Jesus fucking Christ. Who the hell cares? The problem with Barack Obama is not that he didn't keep his body healthy enough.

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I don’t smoke, but your obnoxious moralizing is making me want to start.

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Check out the anti-inflammatory effects of nicotine and how it's a potent weapon against SARS 2.0. (There's some interesting NIH papers on it.)

Sounds like an old Simpsons episode with Troy McLure: "Nicotine: The unspeakable hero of plague 2020".

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Nah, my mom won’t let me have any of they stuff in her basement

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Galleta's avatar

Where were you during PUMA?

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Galleta's avatar

Hillary, you’re likable… enough.

Hahahahaha

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That was a SAVAGE BURN. One of the reasons I can't totally hate the guy.

As with all good gags. it's understated. She turned out to not be likable enough.

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Galleta's avatar

And that cornball recital of a solo AMAZING grace.

Never seen such cringe.

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Obama just couldn't keep his mouth shut and he got involved in too may local race issues. He inflamed the country, when people were looking towards him to do the opposite. He continues as a flame-thrower but most people don't pay any attention today.

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It's all good. He has his sea level mansion now, so he'll be underwater 30 years ago. Wait. Oops. Maybe the Swedish Doom Goblin will go over with her SuperSoaker and spray him down for AOC's camera crew. Grifters gotta grift.

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No joke - I am listening to ‘The Battle if the Soul’ and supposedly all Obama can think about post-Presidency…it’s very sad indeed but not surprising. Obama was craven from the start, hardly a ‘brilliant savior’ as billed.

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It's okay to ignore morons spouting the type of stuff stxbuck posts.

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When you see someone use the term 'sheeple' you never lose anything by disengaging.

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Trump supporters are not idiots, but people who call them such are.

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idiot trump supporters? Obama did more harm to this nation than anyone else; everything you accuse trump of, obama and biden have done. get your head outta your arse.

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Diamond Boy's avatar

I was being ironic, my sentence structure wasn’t great. I meant elite don’t like democracy because they get stuck with what they consider to be trumps idiot supporters. I don’t think Trump supporters are idiots I think they have a legitimate concerns.

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There are idiot supporters of all politicians. AOC has idiot supporters. Pelosi has idiot supporters. Gaetz has idiot supporters. McConnell has idiot supporters. Reagan had idiot supporters, so did Obama.

Not all idiots are the same kind of idiot. Some are morons. Some are half-wits. A few may be imbeciles. They don't have the same lapses in knowledge and intellect, but rest assured, they are out there, every election.

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AHHHHHHH SHADDUP!

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Madjack's avatar

As do disgusting Moronic Biden voters

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I like that, certainly a different perspective, I’m not 100% sure what to make of it, but it is certainly food for thought

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I read that very interesting, once again I’m not that sure what to make of it

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OK, liberalism requires high social trust, meaning belief in institutions and I suppose most importantly a willingness to accede power to them - to abide by the rulings of those institutions.

In this regard we are on a slippery slope. People on all sides of the argument are bemoaning the breakdown of institutions.

The level of debate is super rude. There seems to be no goodwill. I guess that’s being part of a clan: Hatfields and McCoy’s. I am going to read the two articles you sent me.

Generally, I’m a Trump guy and I enjoyed him ridiculing the hypocrisies of the elite. Matt made that point, trump rallies are basically him being a tattletale, exposing the elite. OK that might be tribal but on the more simple level it’s people being told really for the first time: “ yeah these people are screwing you and here’s how they’re doing it and here’s examples of how stupid they are“. That shit is delicious. And I think trump’s clan members have legitimate concerns and complaints that the elites dismiss out of hand as being stupid or bigoted or the pathetic ramblings of uneducated Neanderthals, our embarrassing distant cousins.

I found Trump to be a necessary high colonic for that group.

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OK I think I got it: feudalism manorial life lead to cousin fucking and cloistered thinking, clannish loyalty. Independent peasants such as the Freesian‘s we’re open to new ideas married outsiders and were responsible for dreaming up capitalism. Capitalism democracy and liberalism spread the wealth - that is the American experiment.

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