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JennyStokes's avatar

We are ramping down here in France.........the biggest polluters are the US and China.

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Douglass Matthews's avatar

The PRC emits more CO2 than the EU and the US combined.

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Sick and tired's avatar

Perhaps because we moved so much of our manufacturing to China several decades ago? And Chinese citizens could then to afford to live more like westerners? Not trying to be provocative. Just providing a possible reason for that.

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Douglass Matthews's avatar

In outsourcing and offshoring, the US sacrificed the wellbeing of many of its middle class citizens and helped to lift more than a billion people out of poverty around the world, mostly in Asia. In terms of overall human wellbeing, it was an extraordinarily good deed.

For the Rust Belt working class in the US, it was, and is, painful.

As a result, the fate of the worldтАЩs CO2 emissions now rests in the hands of Xi Jinping, for better or for worse.

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feldspar's avatar

"...the US...helped to lift more than a billion people out of poverty around the world, mostly in Asia. In terms of overall human wellbeing, it was an extraordinarily good deed."

Funny.

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Bonnie Beresford's avatar

All true, although the real savior was free markets and yes capitalism. Sorry you can't see that., but some people just lose their ability to rationalize when they hear the word "capitalism" - which was BTW Marx's pejorative term for free enterprise .

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feldspar's avatar

Co2 emissions, Per capita, nobody comes close to the U.S. That's how you measure it.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/05/global-per-capita-emissions-explained-charts/

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Douglass Matthews's avatar

US is not in top ten of global countries emitting the most carbon per capita.

Relative carbon intensity per capita between the PRC and US is changing rapidly.

тАЬ ChinaтАжjust built 35 new coal-burning power plants the size of River Rouge.тАЭ

PRC emissions are ~3x that of US. PRC emissions are growing. US emissions are declining.

PRC population is ~4x that of US and is declining while the US population is growing.

On a per GDP basis, PRC emissions are more than 2x that of the US.

PRC emissions per GDP are also significantly greater than those of other East Asian exporting economies: ~2x that of RoK and Japan., and ~3x that of RoC.

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feldspar's avatar

..."changing rapidly"..."emissions are declining"..."population is growing"..."population declining"...

All well and good, but prognosticating future emissions was not part of the discussion and at any rate I did not and would not refute any of these these assertions. Y'all like to argue with yourselves, huh?

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feldspar's avatar

I stand corrected---meant to say U.S. emits more Co2 per capita than CHINA, not that the U.S. is largest per capita emitter in world. U.S. (14.4), China (8.85).

China's population: 1.4 billion

U.S. population: 336,000,000 million

Do the math: The U.S. with China's population emits more than 50% of global Co2 emissions per capita.

China, the U.S, and India together emit more than half of all global Co2.

I said nothing about emissions per GDP in my comment.

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Douglass Matthews's avatar

You asserted that per capita is тАЬhow you measure itтАЭ. ThatтАЩs true.

And per GDP is also тАЬhow you measure itтАЭ.

Not trying to argue. Trying to extend a good discussion. You make points I think are excellent.

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