I love the show. Bri is the last hope for liberalism because she tends to be ideologically consistent. She does not bother defending Biden or Fani Willis and doesn’t champion lost causes. Robbie is also ideologically consistent. When they agree on conclusions from different point of view (such as Ukraine); it almost makes you want to cry because it helps you realize we are not that far apart as people. Our leaders thrive on keeping us all yelling at each other and ignoring their own extreme limitations.
No proof. Oct 7 was a military operation, not a "jailbreak booty call." Almost 400 dead IDF, so the mass-rape story was concocted to cover this operational fact up. The IDF was embarrassed that it got caught flat-footed, end of sentence.
Todd, maybe listen to some victims stories: children shot in front of them, babies left to cry for 14 hours as bait for people, a woman in her nineties left alive while her son, daughter in law, caregiver and the dogs are shot in front of her, a woman in her safe room has her dog set on fire out side the door to lure her out. Pure savagery.
Maybe listen to a Palestinian story; estimates claim that up to 30,000 of them have been killed by mindless Israeli bombs birthed in American factories, or at least "American owned" factories. What Time is it? So a 2,000 pound bomb is dropped on your neighborhood, destroying your house, because there is a "suspicion" that you might have Hamas in your House. That's what Time it is.
That's interesting. It means Mossad and the CIA were not only flat-footed, but outsmarted by Hamas? Perhaps they knew for almost a year in advance, but the end game will used any and all means necessary, regardless the costs.
It's quite possible that these are all the same guys. Looking for a job? Just apply, because there is a position waiting for you. The weird thing is that Hamas and Israelis use the same ATM in Qatar, without so much as a shoulder shirk. That's the game. Why the Palestinians have to suffer so much is another story. Cui bono? Who really benefits from this massacre of innocents?
Probably the same people that benefit from the mass slaughter of Ukrainians. Make no mistake. It's Russian bullets injuring and killing Ukrainians, but it's Western stupidity that is creating the slaughter.
Why do both Palestinians and Israels have to suffer. It is a means to an end Todd. Banker's war, chaos, migration, deaths. Same for Russia/Ukraine. All for a reason. All wars are banker's wars. History proves it. Who do you think will rule when a one world government (United Nations) gains final control? My guess - the progeny of Edom, the Edomites.
Jenny, each time you comment you prove once again that you are an idiot. The guy claimed “no proof” and that 10/6 was a “military operation”. There is proof all over the place. You are just incapable of admitting it. Of course, given you live in France, your ignorance is perhaps understandable
Viva la France! People forget that around a half million Frenchmen were dead 3 months into la Guerre (that's 1914, the Fall of). Read some History--or don't. Just go with your "confirmation bias" and see where that takes you.
Great response, or riposte. I couldn't have said it better myself. Ignorance is the ultimate tin-foil hat. By the way, "there is proof all over the place." Wow, dude doesn't know that IDF smoked most of the people blown away and burned to death on Oct 7? My question: Why are uninvolved individuals running cover for a Genocide Operation?
Gimme a break. Your reference is a post on X (Seriously? X?) that quotes a questionable source saying there were no reports of rape, while the NYT substantially contradicts this by stating "A two-month investigation by The Times uncovered painful new details, establishing that the attacks against women were not isolated events but part of a broader pattern of gender-based violence on Oct. 7.....Relying on video footage, photographs, GPS data from mobile phones and interviews with more than 150 people, including witnesses, medical personnel, soldiers and rape counselors, The Times identified at least seven locations where Israeli women and girls appear to have been sexually assaulted or mutilated." Zero evidence that rape happened? What about the above?
Rape always happens in war, and when it's jihadis who think there are 72 virgins waiting for them in heaven, they won't hesitate. Not to mention that on Oct 7 , there were videos filled with grubby men yelling "Alluah Akbar", and they pulled a woman out of the car, and her crotch was wet and bloody down to her knees. Men of that sort think western women are sluts because of how they dress and fling their uncovered hair around. Just stop this "no rape" nonsense.
Good, we won't be hearing from you further. This comment was utterly predictable, especially from someone who likely doesn't know anyone from Gaza who attacks helpless Israeli women. That is the "sort" of man I mean.
And Israelis who attack "helpless Palestinian women"? Racism's a one-way street: it's only the "other guy," not me, who's racist. Look in the mirror and see what you see--what you don't see.
Ladyhawk, you apparently need sources other than the NYT and former IDF members, thus you may not have gotten the news on those NYT's stories and the fallout and aftermath from its reporting and the internal attempt to save its reputation. The Intercept piggybacking off of reporting of the Grayzone has exposed what happened at the NYT and the young woman and her nephew thye hired to do reporting on the rape of women. You won't watch it since it will go against your mental narrative, but this is all factual and is being played out behind the scenes of the NYT now since it is doing damage control, or trying to anyway. Please with an open mind watch the video, but other sources are out there,even The Intercept which is tied to the State. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vznkDV7XI9Y&t=412s
Munda - Response ONE: You have no idea whether or not I will watch it, (I have), nor can you know my "mental narrative", so let's just stop with the ad hominem arguments that are used by people who don't seem to have anything better to offer in the way of evidence.
Evidence of rape by Hamas is extensive and comes from hostages themselves who have been released and who reported on sexual abuse happening in those tunnels. It comes from witnesses seeing , in the aftermath of the Hamas attack Oct 7, dead women in Israel with their clothing pulled down to their ankles, women being paraded by Hamas in the back of pickup trucks being raped by Hamas fighters, , eyewitness evidence from several women who were at the music festival and observed Hamas fighters raping multiple women multiple reports that came out during a UN session on sexual abuse by Hamas which depicted dead women with their clothing ripped off and their genitals exposed and mutilated, and at least two videos of Hamas members being interrogated who claimed that they were specifically instructed to rape Israeli women.
Hamas themselves were wearing GoPros and had cameras, they were filming the attacks, and they were streaming them on Facebook and other social media. Their own videos showed sexual abuse of victims.
Show me the evidence. You are correct about my ad hominem but forgive me. I get impatient with those who only repeat Israeli government and IDF forces, or the rabid Zionists, and never offer any proof. For them, proof is just repeating the sources and giving no evidence within sources and rely only on what Israeli's have said. The Grayzone has two award winning journalists--real journalists--who are themselves jews. They don't let their jewishness get in the way of the truth. Look at your response. It is exactly as I said it was--repetion of sources with a rabid dog in the fight.
Why haven't you shared all these sources that you have if there are so many? Sources not independent of Zaka, or the IDF, or of the Zionist propagandists do not count, but send me independent sources and convince. For someone so adamant about her position, I find it odd in your whole response you only repeat the propaganda and don't give me independent sources to convince me. By the way Blumenthal and Mate are both Jews. They are anti-Zionist and anti-genocide, but cannot be said to be anti jewish. Those are two different things, and you should know this.
Munda: Response Two : There is no shortage of people around the world who actually support Hamas and view them as freedom fighters, who therefore have every reason to deny that rape occurred so as not to tarnish their depiction of Hamas as having noble ideals. Pro-Hamas sources simply cannot be believed that Hamas, unlike every other army that attacks civilian populations, never committed sexual violence.
The Intercept states "One thing is true: Hamas and other Palestinian militants committed unspeakable sexual violence against Israeli civilians on October 7. " Its article says there was no cover-up.
I have watched the video you included. The denial of sexual crimes by Hamas appears to be more about calling out right wing sources like Fox news, Israelis, feminist groups and both left and right wing news reports about Hamas raping to be liars with an agenda to support. I point to the sources you have provided, and I say the same - these are sources that have every reason to deny the crimes because of support for Hamas and hatred for Israel. You have not convinced me.
That story had been thoroughly debunked and Anat and Gettleman have both been exposed for their lies. It cause a furor in the NYT editorial department with many rebelling against the shoddy reporting and pure propaganda. NYT hadd to shelve a podcast they were going to go ahead with on the subject due to the furor of at least a few who still have a sense of journalistic ethics at eh NYT.
Gettleman has been exposed for the propagandist he is. You won't believe it, but watch this and learn. I have found that people with a closed mind are incapable of taking in info that runs counter to their internal narrative. Please try. The reporting is sourced.
Your only source is Grayzone. It has no credibility next to hundreds of eyewitness reports by released hostages, witnesses from the music festival, reports from people in Israel who witnessed the attacks, reports from rescuers who visited the site of the attacks, witnesses in Israel who are working with survivors of the attacks who both saw and experienced rape, the evidence is huge and multi-sourced, but all you offer is Grayzone, a pro-Hamas and blatant anti-Israeli site that uses nothing but ad-hominem attacks on other sources, attacks not just against Israelis but any source of information that Grayzone thinks is right wing. Just no credibility here at all.
I also strongly disagree about BJG. She is smart and I liked her in the past, and looked up studies she mentioned, she doesn’t listen and is just rude. She’s FILIBUSTERED Greg Lukianoff when he was on her show. I can’t even watch the show anyone because of her.
I think what is the most amazing thing is that this was very much known in 2016. We have Obama even on a hot mic telling Russians that they'd be able to do more for them after Hillary won. This just proves to me my choice to leave the left was the right choice. They are so emotionally charged they simply can't have intelligence. Either the spy kind or the education kind.
Do you really think the lying, warmongering Democrats, who brought you NAFTA, are "left"? The Dems sold out the working classes ages ago and now they're doing the same to the middle classes. You don't have a left, so please stop blaming the left for this madness. You may have noticed that Brianna is on the left and Robbie is on the libertarian right, and they agree about a lot. That's one reason why many like their show. People of different ideologies should be able to discuss things and agree or disagree in good faith. I agree with many on the right these days, though I'm not on the right, and no doubt the left-right equation no longer works for us., if it ever did, but just because the Democrats are absolutely deplorable it shouldn't mean former supporters have to go to the right.
The left is now the Progressives, and yes.. they are VERY far left. The left you speak of is the old Liberals, which I still consider myself one, and we are basically center (with essentially no actual representation...), and yes, I find myself agreeing with Libertarians far more than I used to, even though I still think they live in fairy tale land.
Oh c'mon Matt, Trump is an existential threat that existentially threatens the very foundations of our democracy by...ummmm...by doing something nefariously threatening, the exact nature of which I will have to get back to you on...
Instead let's look at Trump's time in office where he...did something bad. I know this because Rachel Maddow talked about his badness constantly. She was very emotional about it, even developing a weird series of facial tics that would only surface when she mentioned Trump's name. So Trump must be in a category of extra special bad mofos to garner such a reaction out of a fine upstanding woman like Rachel Maddow.
Also, maligning the intelligence agencies and their methods just makes you a speed bump on truth's highway my man. The intelligence agencies, much like Spiderman, have developed their own version of "Spidey sense" that helps them discern who our greatest enemies are even though there's nothing remotely resembling evidence to back up those claims.
Any true patriot knows that the CIA doesn't need any stinking proof amigo. Evidence is not a substitute for years of experience & a pure, freedom loving heart now is it buddy?
And let's not forget that Putin is an animal. Short men often revert to a vicious, badger like behavior in their declining years although, normally, you can hold them at bay by putting your palm on their forehead & pushing back. Which is why Putin has nukes. President Biden, a brilliant leader, strategist & economic wizard, understands this simple fact & knows that the normal, hand on forehead, method will not work this time because President Zelensky is also an impishly tiny fellow whose arms lack the length to be a good mini-bully deterrent. This is why we must send billions & billions of dollars to Ukraine. It's also what is really meant when government officials talk about "arming Ukraine."
Overall Mr. Taibbi I think that you're whole "the US government can't be trusted as far as an average citizen can spit the state of Wisconsin" ambience does a grave disservice to freedom, democracy & the lubricating power of total corruption.
Matt -- did you notice that at around 6:30 in the clip, you are suddenly and inexplicably (?) drowned out for 10 seconds or so by swelling theme music of some sort? WTF?
Yeah, that was kinda weird. My first thought was "That damn Youtube must be trying out some new suppression tactic.", but I came to my senses and figured that "it's probably just some dumbass that hit the button at the wrong time". Probably didn't get enough caffeine yet.
Yes....I am sure it was just some random bug in the software where if the word Brennan is mentioned there s/w bug automatically kicks in 30 seconds before it is actually mentioned...I really hate those s/w bugs...
I like Robbie, but he needs to be more prepared in his responses. He often appears to know what he wants to say, but fails to articulate it well enough.
Brihana can be an insufferable prig at times, often running long in the mouth, so enamored is she of her own Leftist prowess. She’s a smart woman, but she needs to be smarter in recognizing she has one mouth and two ears.
Sometimes Bri goes long, particularly on Gaza, but name one liberal commentator who defends anti-censorship as well as Bri. Also, name one who even listens to other side these days.
Not really. Just more insufferable than folks in the US. Your farmers are going to be on the streets and they are going to topple the left-wing fascists of France. Count on it. We have a great seat to watch.
Well said, although Robbie Soave tends to crater when the "going gets tough," and reaches for shop-worn talking points when seas are rough. His expletive-riddled attack on Briahna Joy Gray a couple months ago should have gotten him fired, on the spot, by any responsible producer of the Show. Robbie broke code In that episode, licking up to the Man; the "color," not to mention the gender optics of that segment were "off the charts," meaning: a White Man talking down to a Black Woman, putting her in her place. One of the most disgusting pieces of podcast I've seen in a while now, and I'm a White Man, not a Black Woman.
Both of the predicates of RussiaGate are preposterous and insult one's intelligence. As far as I can tell, these are the "accepted" truths that became the "authorized narrative."
1) "Russia" somehow stole or rigged the 2016 presidential election, primarily by the "Russian trolls" placing some powerfully effective ads on Facebook. These ads, in turn, persuaded millions of undecided voters to instantly decide they would vote for Trump over Hillary. And/or ...
2) Somehow Russia's cyber experts actually hacked into the hard drives of the voting machines and literally changed the vote totals.
In this recent article, I try to show how preposterous the "Facebook ad" scenario is ...
I think the greatest blast of irony is people on the left being able to get away with convincing their mass minions that MAGA is anti-American because they don't believe in the election. The Language was pretty clear after 2016, and the really cool part is many of the things the left said likely happened in 2016, are kind of what some imply did happen in 2020....
Putin hired some ultra-talented advertising trolls. What any ad agency wouldn't give to be able to place a few ads (for token amount of rubles) to instantly persuade so many people to change their votes after viewing said ads.
The thing is hardly anyone even saw these ads, certainly not enough people to swing all the key swing states that ultimately voted for Trump over Hillary.
Considering that many bureaucrats at our intelligence agencies are progressive woke marxist ideologues they would cherry-pick information and lie like rags to achieve their ideological objectives.
I always get distracted watching these two, because they seem to be trying so hard to play lip service to all kinds of different constituencies that they're unable to hold and advocate for any position consistently or reach some kind of healthy conclusions. I *constantly* find myself distracted from discussions by weird and inconsistent statements that are sometimes even provably false.
It's really frustrating to be listening to people debate an issue and thinking, "But we have proof that isn't true!" I'm sure they're nice people, but I really dislike shows that focus on popularity over accuracy.
I disagree. That word is thrown around way too much these days. I do NOT fully agree with Bri on Gaza. But attacking Israeli response in Gaza does not make you an antisemite any more than attacking US position in Iraq made you anti-American. Politicians like to use words like antisemite, racist, homophobe and sexist to shut down debates.
Right on, Raymond. The tendency to respond to any given comment (from any political perspective) by labeling, pigeonholing, or otherwise categorizing the person who said it, is perhaps the biggest reason we find it so hard to talk to one another these days. It really needs to stop. We need to respond to the points people make with specific counterpoints, and resist the tendency to shut down debate by breaking out the labelmaker.
"Bri *is* an anti-Semite and anti-Zionist." You write as if those two descriptions are synonyms. While the ADL and Israeli intelligence assert that--as a tactic to shut down criticism of the immoral acts of the State of Israel--they refer to two distinctly different attitudes. I, for one, am proudly anti-Zionist of Jewish background. Just try to call me an anti-Semite!
Yes, I agree my statement was confusing because my opinion was already that the two terms are *not* synonymous.
In fact, why is the term "anti-Semite" even used today. After all, Palestinians, being as rooted in the Levant as the Jews, are Semites too. But current language must nod to current usage, so the term means anti-Jew.
Now, Jews have no doubt been burdened today by the depredations of Israel's own security State, but I sure loved the way they tracked down and disposed of the animals that massacred the Jewish athletes (*athletes*!) in Munich, Germany (*Germany*!), and they seem to be doing a job on today's animals in Gaza. Sorry to the 25% of Gazans who *don't* support Hamas, but at least you aren't being raped and beheaded just for existing like your fellow Semite neighbors. Blowback works two ways, and Israel *is* a nation after all. What the hell did you expect it to do?
Which brings us to Zionism, an ancient concept revitalized on O7. You know, I thought Zionism/anti-Zionism was made moot in 1947. Silly me.
Would it surprise at this point to confess that I have come to believe that the U.N. should not have created Israel? (Doesn't this make me anti-Zionist?) But how could the U.S. have convinced the Jews, in number cut in half, to make the land of religious freedom their new Zion, or have convinced our own Jew-haters of accepting them?
Today, we desperately need to vacate the Middle-East (and Germany, for crying out loud, *and* Ukraine; Russia's current Fascist is Europe's problem), just to avoid our own blowback.
I could go on, but as you can probably surmise, I sure am getting tired of having this discussion, over and over, when all that really matters to this Atheist is the safety of my son and his best friend, a Jew, off to university to study...or hide in college closets sheilding each other from today's American anti-Semite youth. Did I use the term correctly here, David?
I hope this time I have made it abundantly clear that I would never call you anti-Semite.
Thanks for your reply, Timothy. Yes, you are correct about the politics of the author often does play a big role in what they say. But rather than respond with labels (even if they happen to be true) , maybe it is better to respond to the specifics of their argument, if at all possible.
Agreed, the labeling/pigeonholing/etc. is dominantly a leftist tactic. It has been standard way for them to respond to being challenged for 30-40 years... it's linked to post-structuralist theory, in my view, and has greatly contributed to the toxic environment we are now in. The aim is not debate and discussion, but polarization, and it's working. Sigh.
The roots of which was the Progressive project's necessary destruction of Constitutional Capitalism, with its first-in-human-history placement of the individual *above* the group (especially the largest group of all, Society, and its terrible swift sword, the State) in philosophical precedence.
And followed like cascading dominoes with the abomination of Alinsky.
The Left has been panicking, and therefore doubling down, and therefore exposing its true and rotten aims to the awakening peeps, ever since the bombshell populism of 2016 ignited we free individuals' righteous revenge.
Instead of sighing, sir, vote for the un-capturable narcissist.
It’s one thing to criticize Israel, but Bri is on record calling Israeli rape victims liars. This was weeks after Oct. 7, after all the videos went around of naked women dead in pickup truck beds and being shoved into SUVs with blood-stained crotches. She said the “Zionists” hadn’t produced rape kits yet, so we couldn’t take their claims seriously. That’s not journalistic integrity. She is no different than activist journos in the MSM, she just happens to have politics that a lot of people agree with.
She is not just attacking Israeli response in Gaza. She is a rape denialist along with the execrable Max Blumenthal and others. She claims none of the victims have come forward. Duh, they are either dead or are hostages. There is plenty of evidence that Hamas raped women. But she insists it is all Zionist propaganda. She is the epitome of #MeTooUnlessYou’re a Jew”. Sorry but that smells like antisemitism to me.
I'd love to see someone somewhere at some point tie in the handling of the pandemic to the WMD and Russiagate fiascos. Just another page out of the same playbook.
I love the show. Bri is the last hope for liberalism because she tends to be ideologically consistent. She does not bother defending Biden or Fani Willis and doesn’t champion lost causes. Robbie is also ideologically consistent. When they agree on conclusions from different point of view (such as Ukraine); it almost makes you want to cry because it helps you realize we are not that far apart as people. Our leaders thrive on keeping us all yelling at each other and ignoring their own extreme limitations.
I strongly disagree about Bri, she is a progressive shill and can't argue in good faith on those issues.
Bri is an Oct 7 rape-denier.
No proof. Oct 7 was a military operation, not a "jailbreak booty call." Almost 400 dead IDF, so the mass-rape story was concocted to cover this operational fact up. The IDF was embarrassed that it got caught flat-footed, end of sentence.
Bri - meet Todd.
Todd, maybe listen to some victims stories: children shot in front of them, babies left to cry for 14 hours as bait for people, a woman in her nineties left alive while her son, daughter in law, caregiver and the dogs are shot in front of her, a woman in her safe room has her dog set on fire out side the door to lure her out. Pure savagery.
Maybe listen to a Palestinian story; estimates claim that up to 30,000 of them have been killed by mindless Israeli bombs birthed in American factories, or at least "American owned" factories. What Time is it? So a 2,000 pound bomb is dropped on your neighborhood, destroying your house, because there is a "suspicion" that you might have Hamas in your House. That's what Time it is.
That's interesting. It means Mossad and the CIA were not only flat-footed, but outsmarted by Hamas? Perhaps they knew for almost a year in advance, but the end game will used any and all means necessary, regardless the costs.
It's quite possible that these are all the same guys. Looking for a job? Just apply, because there is a position waiting for you. The weird thing is that Hamas and Israelis use the same ATM in Qatar, without so much as a shoulder shirk. That's the game. Why the Palestinians have to suffer so much is another story. Cui bono? Who really benefits from this massacre of innocents?
Probably the same people that benefit from the mass slaughter of Ukrainians. Make no mistake. It's Russian bullets injuring and killing Ukrainians, but it's Western stupidity that is creating the slaughter.
The Military!
Don't worry about "Burning Running Man": he's vainglorious, and has no theory about anything, including "Hamas."
Why do both Palestinians and Israels have to suffer. It is a means to an end Todd. Banker's war, chaos, migration, deaths. Same for Russia/Ukraine. All for a reason. All wars are banker's wars. History proves it. Who do you think will rule when a one world government (United Nations) gains final control? My guess - the progeny of Edom, the Edomites.
Looking forward to the upcoming death match between JP Morgan Chase and Bank of America to determine who, exactly, will inherit the Earth.
UNRWA.
More than likely, yes.
You are a fool. And a Hamas-controlled agent.
https://checkyourfact.com/2023/11/08/fact-check-israel-civilians-oct-7/
OF course. Anybody who doesn't agree with the status quo and the Mainstream Media is either:
Anti semitic or
Hamas
Jenny, each time you comment you prove once again that you are an idiot. The guy claimed “no proof” and that 10/6 was a “military operation”. There is proof all over the place. You are just incapable of admitting it. Of course, given you live in France, your ignorance is perhaps understandable
Viva la France! People forget that around a half million Frenchmen were dead 3 months into la Guerre (that's 1914, the Fall of). Read some History--or don't. Just go with your "confirmation bias" and see where that takes you.
Great response, or riposte. I couldn't have said it better myself. Ignorance is the ultimate tin-foil hat. By the way, "there is proof all over the place." Wow, dude doesn't know that IDF smoked most of the people blown away and burned to death on Oct 7? My question: Why are uninvolved individuals running cover for a Genocide Operation?
Western bankers, only some of which are Jewish. Anti-Semitsm: bye bye!
So is the family of the "victim"
You are quoting "screams without words" from the nyt. This has been proven false and Anat Schwartz is being let go.
Hired as a propagandist, and fired as a propagandist.
You come off like a not.
It was not proven "false."
Look, you're ok with terrorists raping and mutilating women, I get it. Just quit denying it ever happened.
Have a good life inside your fantasy
That's because there is zero evidence that rape happened.
https://x.com/aaronjmate/status/1763249764466819425?s=20
Gimme a break. Your reference is a post on X (Seriously? X?) that quotes a questionable source saying there were no reports of rape, while the NYT substantially contradicts this by stating "A two-month investigation by The Times uncovered painful new details, establishing that the attacks against women were not isolated events but part of a broader pattern of gender-based violence on Oct. 7.....Relying on video footage, photographs, GPS data from mobile phones and interviews with more than 150 people, including witnesses, medical personnel, soldiers and rape counselors, The Times identified at least seven locations where Israeli women and girls appear to have been sexually assaulted or mutilated." Zero evidence that rape happened? What about the above?
Rape always happens in war, and when it's jihadis who think there are 72 virgins waiting for them in heaven, they won't hesitate. Not to mention that on Oct 7 , there were videos filled with grubby men yelling "Alluah Akbar", and they pulled a woman out of the car, and her crotch was wet and bloody down to her knees. Men of that sort think western women are sluts because of how they dress and fling their uncovered hair around. Just stop this "no rape" nonsense.
This is so racist a comment that I need not write one word further...
Good, we won't be hearing from you further. This comment was utterly predictable, especially from someone who likely doesn't know anyone from Gaza who attacks helpless Israeli women. That is the "sort" of man I mean.
And Israelis who attack "helpless Palestinian women"? Racism's a one-way street: it's only the "other guy," not me, who's racist. Look in the mirror and see what you see--what you don't see.
.......and Biden keeps sending money to the Zionist facists who OWN your government.
WAKE up.
Ladyhawk, you apparently need sources other than the NYT and former IDF members, thus you may not have gotten the news on those NYT's stories and the fallout and aftermath from its reporting and the internal attempt to save its reputation. The Intercept piggybacking off of reporting of the Grayzone has exposed what happened at the NYT and the young woman and her nephew thye hired to do reporting on the rape of women. You won't watch it since it will go against your mental narrative, but this is all factual and is being played out behind the scenes of the NYT now since it is doing damage control, or trying to anyway. Please with an open mind watch the video, but other sources are out there,even The Intercept which is tied to the State. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vznkDV7XI9Y&t=412s
Munda - Response ONE: You have no idea whether or not I will watch it, (I have), nor can you know my "mental narrative", so let's just stop with the ad hominem arguments that are used by people who don't seem to have anything better to offer in the way of evidence.
Evidence of rape by Hamas is extensive and comes from hostages themselves who have been released and who reported on sexual abuse happening in those tunnels. It comes from witnesses seeing , in the aftermath of the Hamas attack Oct 7, dead women in Israel with their clothing pulled down to their ankles, women being paraded by Hamas in the back of pickup trucks being raped by Hamas fighters, , eyewitness evidence from several women who were at the music festival and observed Hamas fighters raping multiple women multiple reports that came out during a UN session on sexual abuse by Hamas which depicted dead women with their clothing ripped off and their genitals exposed and mutilated, and at least two videos of Hamas members being interrogated who claimed that they were specifically instructed to rape Israeli women.
Hamas themselves were wearing GoPros and had cameras, they were filming the attacks, and they were streaming them on Facebook and other social media. Their own videos showed sexual abuse of victims.
Show me the evidence. You are correct about my ad hominem but forgive me. I get impatient with those who only repeat Israeli government and IDF forces, or the rabid Zionists, and never offer any proof. For them, proof is just repeating the sources and giving no evidence within sources and rely only on what Israeli's have said. The Grayzone has two award winning journalists--real journalists--who are themselves jews. They don't let their jewishness get in the way of the truth. Look at your response. It is exactly as I said it was--repetion of sources with a rabid dog in the fight.
Why haven't you shared all these sources that you have if there are so many? Sources not independent of Zaka, or the IDF, or of the Zionist propagandists do not count, but send me independent sources and convince. For someone so adamant about her position, I find it odd in your whole response you only repeat the propaganda and don't give me independent sources to convince me. By the way Blumenthal and Mate are both Jews. They are anti-Zionist and anti-genocide, but cannot be said to be anti jewish. Those are two different things, and you should know this.
Munda: Response Two : There is no shortage of people around the world who actually support Hamas and view them as freedom fighters, who therefore have every reason to deny that rape occurred so as not to tarnish their depiction of Hamas as having noble ideals. Pro-Hamas sources simply cannot be believed that Hamas, unlike every other army that attacks civilian populations, never committed sexual violence.
The Intercept states "One thing is true: Hamas and other Palestinian militants committed unspeakable sexual violence against Israeli civilians on October 7. " Its article says there was no cover-up.
I have watched the video you included. The denial of sexual crimes by Hamas appears to be more about calling out right wing sources like Fox news, Israelis, feminist groups and both left and right wing news reports about Hamas raping to be liars with an agenda to support. I point to the sources you have provided, and I say the same - these are sources that have every reason to deny the crimes because of support for Hamas and hatred for Israel. You have not convinced me.
Well, where is the evidence? You can't draw conclusions on feelings. Need facts.
See above. There are hours of evidence available from multiple sources.
Yeah, not clicking on a link from x.com/aaron.
How about the NYT?
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html
That story had been thoroughly debunked and Anat and Gettleman have both been exposed for their lies. It cause a furor in the NYT editorial department with many rebelling against the shoddy reporting and pure propaganda. NYT hadd to shelve a podcast they were going to go ahead with on the subject due to the furor of at least a few who still have a sense of journalistic ethics at eh NYT.
Gettleman has been exposed for the propagandist he is. You won't believe it, but watch this and learn. I have found that people with a closed mind are incapable of taking in info that runs counter to their internal narrative. Please try. The reporting is sourced.
https://thegrayzone.com/2024/02/22/israeli-hamas-debunked-western-media/
https://thegrayzone.com/2024/02/06/nyt-hamas-report-hillary-clinton/
https://thegrayzone.com/2024/01/10/questions-nyt-hamas-rape-report/
Your only source is Grayzone. It has no credibility next to hundreds of eyewitness reports by released hostages, witnesses from the music festival, reports from people in Israel who witnessed the attacks, reports from rescuers who visited the site of the attacks, witnesses in Israel who are working with survivors of the attacks who both saw and experienced rape, the evidence is huge and multi-sourced, but all you offer is Grayzone, a pro-Hamas and blatant anti-Israeli site that uses nothing but ad-hominem attacks on other sources, attacks not just against Israelis but any source of information that Grayzone thinks is right wing. Just no credibility here at all.
Mondoweiss and Electronic Infatada report the same.
https://electronicintifada.net/content/history-will-record-israel-committed-holocaust/45006
https://mondoweiss.net/
https://theintercept.com/2024/01/04/cnn-israel-gaza-idf-reporting/
https://skwawkbox.org/2024/02/28/nyt-journalist-who-co-wrote-hamas-rape-piece-is-idf-propagandist-with-no-journalism-experience/
Evidence please.
Also true
I also strongly disagree about BJG. She is smart and I liked her in the past, and looked up studies she mentioned, she doesn’t listen and is just rude. She’s FILIBUSTERED Greg Lukianoff when he was on her show. I can’t even watch the show anyone because of her.
Matt saved the segment from these Millennial morons and their idiot producer.
I mean, yeah, if you want the progressive and libertarian perspectives, then you're good to go.
I think what is the most amazing thing is that this was very much known in 2016. We have Obama even on a hot mic telling Russians that they'd be able to do more for them after Hillary won. This just proves to me my choice to leave the left was the right choice. They are so emotionally charged they simply can't have intelligence. Either the spy kind or the education kind.
Do you really think the lying, warmongering Democrats, who brought you NAFTA, are "left"? The Dems sold out the working classes ages ago and now they're doing the same to the middle classes. You don't have a left, so please stop blaming the left for this madness. You may have noticed that Brianna is on the left and Robbie is on the libertarian right, and they agree about a lot. That's one reason why many like their show. People of different ideologies should be able to discuss things and agree or disagree in good faith. I agree with many on the right these days, though I'm not on the right, and no doubt the left-right equation no longer works for us., if it ever did, but just because the Democrats are absolutely deplorable it shouldn't mean former supporters have to go to the right.
The left is now the Progressives, and yes.. they are VERY far left. The left you speak of is the old Liberals, which I still consider myself one, and we are basically center (with essentially no actual representation...), and yes, I find myself agreeing with Libertarians far more than I used to, even though I still think they live in fairy tale land.
Unlike the fairy tale land of :
"Getting money out of politics"
"Leveling the playing field"
"Centralized power is evil when it's corporations and the mechanism for justice when it's the government"
I have a dragon smiting sword to sell you ;)
What 'left?' Who are they?
The Authoritarians. The people who say they are Blue. The Red ones are mildly Totalitarian. Both suck ass!!
Left/Right is meaningless. The real division is authorotarian/libertarian.
Libertarian is today's liberal, and the descendant of the radical liberals who wrote the Constitution.
Democrats are NOT left!
Oh c'mon Matt, Trump is an existential threat that existentially threatens the very foundations of our democracy by...ummmm...by doing something nefariously threatening, the exact nature of which I will have to get back to you on...
Instead let's look at Trump's time in office where he...did something bad. I know this because Rachel Maddow talked about his badness constantly. She was very emotional about it, even developing a weird series of facial tics that would only surface when she mentioned Trump's name. So Trump must be in a category of extra special bad mofos to garner such a reaction out of a fine upstanding woman like Rachel Maddow.
Also, maligning the intelligence agencies and their methods just makes you a speed bump on truth's highway my man. The intelligence agencies, much like Spiderman, have developed their own version of "Spidey sense" that helps them discern who our greatest enemies are even though there's nothing remotely resembling evidence to back up those claims.
Any true patriot knows that the CIA doesn't need any stinking proof amigo. Evidence is not a substitute for years of experience & a pure, freedom loving heart now is it buddy?
And let's not forget that Putin is an animal. Short men often revert to a vicious, badger like behavior in their declining years although, normally, you can hold them at bay by putting your palm on their forehead & pushing back. Which is why Putin has nukes. President Biden, a brilliant leader, strategist & economic wizard, understands this simple fact & knows that the normal, hand on forehead, method will not work this time because President Zelensky is also an impishly tiny fellow whose arms lack the length to be a good mini-bully deterrent. This is why we must send billions & billions of dollars to Ukraine. It's also what is really meant when government officials talk about "arming Ukraine."
Overall Mr. Taibbi I think that you're whole "the US government can't be trusted as far as an average citizen can spit the state of Wisconsin" ambience does a grave disservice to freedom, democracy & the lubricating power of total corruption.
Good day sir.
And Huzzah!
Well played sir!
And to you also; good day sir---
Isn't that a Dustin Hoffman line from Tootsie? "I said good day sir!"
No, from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. Spoken by Gene Wilder.
Lol
Matt -- did you notice that at around 6:30 in the clip, you are suddenly and inexplicably (?) drowned out for 10 seconds or so by swelling theme music of some sort? WTF?
Yeah, that was kinda weird. My first thought was "That damn Youtube must be trying out some new suppression tactic.", but I came to my senses and figured that "it's probably just some dumbass that hit the button at the wrong time". Probably didn't get enough caffeine yet.
Yes....I am sure it was just some random bug in the software where if the word Brennan is mentioned there s/w bug automatically kicks in 30 seconds before it is actually mentioned...I really hate those s/w bugs...
I like Robbie, but he needs to be more prepared in his responses. He often appears to know what he wants to say, but fails to articulate it well enough.
Brihana can be an insufferable prig at times, often running long in the mouth, so enamored is she of her own Leftist prowess. She’s a smart woman, but she needs to be smarter in recognizing she has one mouth and two ears.
Sometimes Bri goes long, particularly on Gaza, but name one liberal commentator who defends anti-censorship as well as Bri. Also, name one who even listens to other side these days.
It says something when one of the best comments you can give to someone on the Left is that they will listen to the other side.
There is no 'left' in the USA
You have a 2 party system one is right and the other is facist.
Glad you understand from France that the Democrat Party is fascist.
Steve Bannon’s valet?
We have our own problems here and we are entering a time of major upheaval here in Europe.
BUT I have absolutely no doubt that the French will be on the streets during the next election.
We are going right wing facist and we have the same lies and disinformation.
Bit more education here than the US.
Not really. Just more insufferable than folks in the US. Your farmers are going to be on the streets and they are going to topple the left-wing fascists of France. Count on it. We have a great seat to watch.
BJG doesn’t listen. She shied down
Well said, although Robbie Soave tends to crater when the "going gets tough," and reaches for shop-worn talking points when seas are rough. His expletive-riddled attack on Briahna Joy Gray a couple months ago should have gotten him fired, on the spot, by any responsible producer of the Show. Robbie broke code In that episode, licking up to the Man; the "color," not to mention the gender optics of that segment were "off the charts," meaning: a White Man talking down to a Black Woman, putting her in her place. One of the most disgusting pieces of podcast I've seen in a while now, and I'm a White Man, not a Black Woman.
Listening now… so weird though that the MUSIC was turned up so loud at one point it was difficult to hear you
I know! That was really weird...right before Brennan was mentioned. It is kind if like how do you prove in court that that is censorship?
I am deaf so I read the subtitles....sounds weird to me?
Both of the predicates of RussiaGate are preposterous and insult one's intelligence. As far as I can tell, these are the "accepted" truths that became the "authorized narrative."
1) "Russia" somehow stole or rigged the 2016 presidential election, primarily by the "Russian trolls" placing some powerfully effective ads on Facebook. These ads, in turn, persuaded millions of undecided voters to instantly decide they would vote for Trump over Hillary. And/or ...
2) Somehow Russia's cyber experts actually hacked into the hard drives of the voting machines and literally changed the vote totals.
In this recent article, I try to show how preposterous the "Facebook ad" scenario is ...
https://billricejr.substack.com/p/russiagate-was-our-most-preposterous?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
I think the greatest blast of irony is people on the left being able to get away with convincing their mass minions that MAGA is anti-American because they don't believe in the election. The Language was pretty clear after 2016, and the really cool part is many of the things the left said likely happened in 2016, are kind of what some imply did happen in 2020....
Putin must be laughing his socks off!
Putin hired some ultra-talented advertising trolls. What any ad agency wouldn't give to be able to place a few ads (for token amount of rubles) to instantly persuade so many people to change their votes after viewing said ads.
The thing is hardly anyone even saw these ads, certainly not enough people to swing all the key swing states that ultimately voted for Trump over Hillary.
Considering that many bureaucrats at our intelligence agencies are progressive woke marxist ideologues they would cherry-pick information and lie like rags to achieve their ideological objectives.
Calling Brianha Gray Joy an "excellent host" is a mischaracterization that boggles the mind.
I always get distracted watching these two, because they seem to be trying so hard to play lip service to all kinds of different constituencies that they're unable to hold and advocate for any position consistently or reach some kind of healthy conclusions. I *constantly* find myself distracted from discussions by weird and inconsistent statements that are sometimes even provably false.
It's really frustrating to be listening to people debate an issue and thinking, "But we have proof that isn't true!" I'm sure they're nice people, but I really dislike shows that focus on popularity over accuracy.
Are you a robot from the future?
What's with the bizarre music at 6:20 to 6:30? Is that a misedit, or did you want to sound like a Wagner opera?
The CIA drowned out the big reveal.
Bri is a vile antsemite
I disagree. That word is thrown around way too much these days. I do NOT fully agree with Bri on Gaza. But attacking Israeli response in Gaza does not make you an antisemite any more than attacking US position in Iraq made you anti-American. Politicians like to use words like antisemite, racist, homophobe and sexist to shut down debates.
Right on, Raymond. The tendency to respond to any given comment (from any political perspective) by labeling, pigeonholing, or otherwise categorizing the person who said it, is perhaps the biggest reason we find it so hard to talk to one another these days. It really needs to stop. We need to respond to the points people make with specific counterpoints, and resist the tendency to shut down debate by breaking out the labelmaker.
When you read a book, doesn't knowing the politics of the author inform the reader immensely?
Yes, the substance and quality of the argument rule, and debate should never be shut down or destroyed with gratuitous ad hominem.
But the truth trumps all.
Truth is, today it is 90% the Left pointing fingers and yelling racissss and homophobe etc. in order to "win".
And...Bri *is* an anti-Semite and anti-Zionist.
"Bri *is* an anti-Semite and anti-Zionist." You write as if those two descriptions are synonyms. While the ADL and Israeli intelligence assert that--as a tactic to shut down criticism of the immoral acts of the State of Israel--they refer to two distinctly different attitudes. I, for one, am proudly anti-Zionist of Jewish background. Just try to call me an anti-Semite!
Thank you, David.
Yes, I agree my statement was confusing because my opinion was already that the two terms are *not* synonymous.
In fact, why is the term "anti-Semite" even used today. After all, Palestinians, being as rooted in the Levant as the Jews, are Semites too. But current language must nod to current usage, so the term means anti-Jew.
Now, Jews have no doubt been burdened today by the depredations of Israel's own security State, but I sure loved the way they tracked down and disposed of the animals that massacred the Jewish athletes (*athletes*!) in Munich, Germany (*Germany*!), and they seem to be doing a job on today's animals in Gaza. Sorry to the 25% of Gazans who *don't* support Hamas, but at least you aren't being raped and beheaded just for existing like your fellow Semite neighbors. Blowback works two ways, and Israel *is* a nation after all. What the hell did you expect it to do?
Which brings us to Zionism, an ancient concept revitalized on O7. You know, I thought Zionism/anti-Zionism was made moot in 1947. Silly me.
Would it surprise at this point to confess that I have come to believe that the U.N. should not have created Israel? (Doesn't this make me anti-Zionist?) But how could the U.S. have convinced the Jews, in number cut in half, to make the land of religious freedom their new Zion, or have convinced our own Jew-haters of accepting them?
Today, we desperately need to vacate the Middle-East (and Germany, for crying out loud, *and* Ukraine; Russia's current Fascist is Europe's problem), just to avoid our own blowback.
I could go on, but as you can probably surmise, I sure am getting tired of having this discussion, over and over, when all that really matters to this Atheist is the safety of my son and his best friend, a Jew, off to university to study...or hide in college closets sheilding each other from today's American anti-Semite youth. Did I use the term correctly here, David?
I hope this time I have made it abundantly clear that I would never call you anti-Semite.
Thanks for your reply, Timothy. Yes, you are correct about the politics of the author often does play a big role in what they say. But rather than respond with labels (even if they happen to be true) , maybe it is better to respond to the specifics of their argument, if at all possible.
Agreed, the labeling/pigeonholing/etc. is dominantly a leftist tactic. It has been standard way for them to respond to being challenged for 30-40 years... it's linked to post-structuralist theory, in my view, and has greatly contributed to the toxic environment we are now in. The aim is not debate and discussion, but polarization, and it's working. Sigh.
Likewise.
"...post-structuralist theory..."
The roots of which was the Progressive project's necessary destruction of Constitutional Capitalism, with its first-in-human-history placement of the individual *above* the group (especially the largest group of all, Society, and its terrible swift sword, the State) in philosophical precedence.
And followed like cascading dominoes with the abomination of Alinsky.
The Left has been panicking, and therefore doubling down, and therefore exposing its true and rotten aims to the awakening peeps, ever since the bombshell populism of 2016 ignited we free individuals' righteous revenge.
Instead of sighing, sir, vote for the un-capturable narcissist.
He is *our* swift sword.
But maybe *my* view is too strong for many here.
It’s one thing to criticize Israel, but Bri is on record calling Israeli rape victims liars. This was weeks after Oct. 7, after all the videos went around of naked women dead in pickup truck beds and being shoved into SUVs with blood-stained crotches. She said the “Zionists” hadn’t produced rape kits yet, so we couldn’t take their claims seriously. That’s not journalistic integrity. She is no different than activist journos in the MSM, she just happens to have politics that a lot of people agree with.
She is not just attacking Israeli response in Gaza. She is a rape denialist along with the execrable Max Blumenthal and others. She claims none of the victims have come forward. Duh, they are either dead or are hostages. There is plenty of evidence that Hamas raped women. But she insists it is all Zionist propaganda. She is the epitome of #MeTooUnlessYou’re a Jew”. Sorry but that smells like antisemitism to me.
She is an Oct 7 conspiracy theorist.
Excellent? Bri is a commie.
I'd love to see someone somewhere at some point tie in the handling of the pandemic to the WMD and Russiagate fiascos. Just another page out of the same playbook.
I don’t trust The Hill but I can’t remember why? Could it be my bluetooth earbuds?
No. It's The Hill.
It's mostly forgettable pablum. That's why you can't remember.
Can’t believe it’s on YT. At least for now.