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SimulationCommander's avatar

Yes, but as I like to say -- reality has a nasty way of forcing itself into the conversation. Remember Biden's Afghanistan withdrawal?

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Mike Eyre's avatar

That was 3 years ago already. Democrats have been lobotomized of that disaster. My brother-in-law just last week was saying how the iconic Trump photo from the assassination attempt had been "Photoshopped." I told him no, that's wrong. He said the flag had been inserted into the image digitally. Apparently that lie is so big that Zuckerberg had to contact Trump personally to explain/apologize. A Democrat is a person who will believe what they are told to believe, without regard for the truth. What chance do the rest of us have if there is no alternative to the lie? Narrative is a woefully insufficient term.

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Bull Hubbard's avatar

If you really believe that Trump is the reincarnation of Adolph Hitler or even Satan himself, you would do anything to keep him out of office.

The relentless campaign to demonize Trump and the MAGA movement has brought us to this. If he manages to regain the White House who knows what the disloyal opposition will do? Their media toadies have already pretty effectively memory-holed an assassination attempt, and a frightening number of DP dupes/True Believers believe it was "staged" to begin with. It's far more plausible to assume the SS and FBI deliberately allowed the sniper to get off his shots, given the history of previous efforts of current and former feds to oust him, from the Russia lies to the "pee tapes," though incompetence and stupidity are the more likely reasons for one murder, one attempted murder, and the maiming of two other audience members.

The whole "election cycle" is surreal and sinister.

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Mike Eyre's avatar

I continue to be shocked that people believe this phenomenon is isolated to Trump. It's not. Look at how Democrats are going at JD Vance. They did it to Desantis. Hell, they did it to Tulsi. EVERY person who represents a threat to their power is worse than Hitler. That's the playbook. That incessant fear-mongering keeps the cultists from entertaining stray thoughts, like when my mother-in-law questioned why Lollapalooza was "safe" to put on in 2020 during the height of covid but you would die if you went to church, or when my father-in-law (yes, all my in-laws are Democrats) asked rhetorically after Walz signed Minnesota's unlimited abortion law, "Why do they have to be so extreme?" If all Republicans, and really, any meaningful opposition is the the Fourth Reich then Democrats don't have to do much work selling their own candidates. The new reality makes such democratic necessities obsolete.

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Bull Hubbard's avatar

I see your point, though I had not noticed any similar DP corruption prior to Trump's 2016 campaign and his subsequent election. I've just assumed that his election caused it. Any examples prior to 2016?

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Mike Eyre's avatar

George W. Bush was "worse than Hitler." Ronald Reagan was the Devil. Nixon was the most corrupt President in history. Republicans are always the villains, but the Trump era has amplified all of Democrats worst tendencies. The media has learned that it can very easily cause people to think and now feel what Democrats want them to think and feel. Harris campaign is paying influencers to tell followers to vote Harris. It's all contrived and coordinated, there's nothing even remotely organic about any of it. But people, for the most part, have no idea and don't particularly care, and they are so conditioned that if they were told about it they wouldn't believe it. Our collective reality is whatever Democrats tell us it is. I think the thing that has changed is that everyone who had been in journalism prior to Trump who still believed in some modest amount of objectivity has been replaced with a young person who is basically a Democrat cultist. They don't believe in objectivity; all that matters is that "evil" Republicans are destroyed. And so goes the news.

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Bull Hubbard's avatar

It's absolutely the case that "the Trump era has amplified all of Democrats worst tendencies." Very likely this is because Trump beat H. Clinton in 2016, and the DP and its press flaks (the entire MSM) have never recovered from it; their loss and the utter humiliation of their pundits led to the famous TDS, which is apparently incurable. To mutilate Voltaire, "If Trump didn't exist, the press would have to invent him." They get ratings and self-righteousness in one geriatric real-estate mogul package.

The fact that "[the Harris campaign is] all contrived and coordinated, [and] there's nothing even remotely organic about any of it" is undeniable. People are right to call this move a "coup." I cannot believe the amount of rationalization it takes to cope with this, to attempt a justification of it, and I cannot imagine that there's anyone undecided about who to vote in as President; anyone planning to vote has already made his choice. What galls me is the fact that some (but not as many as the whores in the press claim) will vote for Harris, someone obviously unequipped for the job, especially on the international front.

The idea of a press that "objectively" reports world and local events has always been wrong, both in principle and in practice. Men are not cameras. Telling any story, even one that attempts to recount factual occurrences, requires a point-of-view. Political partisanship sells, but I must agree that even the effort to appear neutral has been abandoned.

Finally, I agree 100% that "everyone who had been in journalism prior to Trump who still believed in some modest amount of objectivity has been replaced with a young person who is basically a Democrat cultist. They don't believe in objectivity; all that matters is that 'evil' Republicans are destroyed." Ivy Leaguers who regurgitate Google searches and coordinate with other DP shills to distribute--VERBATIM--whatever talking-points memo issues from the regime's Press Secretary.

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trembo slice's avatar

тАЬCтАЩmon man! That was like 3 days ago!тАЭ

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Minsky's avatar

There are a few problems with defining a Democrat as such.

First, Trump surely fits that definition, seeing as he's out posting claims on social media that his political opponent has 'used AI' to photoshop big crowds into pictures of her rallies. (which implies she must have also used AI to generate countless 'fake' videos posted to various web platforms like YouTube verifying the existence of said crowds)

Also, considering the near-constant stream of lies that fly out of Trump's mouth or dribble out of his keyboard, and the cult-like acceptance of these lies by his base, against any and all external evidence to the contrary, it would stand to reason that the MAGA base is also composed of Democrats.

That would mean Trump, the Democratic party, and the MAGA base are all Democrats. Which is a sign that the above definition, shall we say, "leaves something to be desired."

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Mike Eyre's avatar

The obvious problem with this characterization is that Trump is largely his own vehicle. Democrats have a massive advantage in terms of scale and capacity to influence people because almost every person in media is liberal. The media strategy has shifted this month; they are ignoring Trump except to pile on to a few stray comments. The AI crowd thing is innocuous, but so are most of Trump's "lies."

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Minsky's avatar

You didn't seem to think lies of this nature were 'innocuous' when your brother-in-law was spouting off about the flag having been photoshopped onto Trump's post-assassination-attempt pic. And I presume your brother-in-law isn't running for the nation's highest office.

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Mike Eyre's avatar

Wow, you really missed the point. He believed a lie that was intended to influence his perception of reality. I told him it wasn't true. But I don't have near the influence on him that complete strangers in the media and the Democrat Party do, and their influence extends to tens of millions of people. Trump re-tweeting someone's analysis of AI generated crowds is hardly the same, and what happened when he did that? The full force of the media attacked him for it. Whether or not her crowds are AI generated is not the point. The visceral and absurd collective overreaction of the media to claim Trump is lying is the point. I don't know how anyone can read Taibbi and believe a goddamn thing the media reports regarding Trump. My default position is that the the more over-the-top and uniform the reaction, the more likely that Trump is hitting on the truth.

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