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Lekimball's avatar

And of course, you in the nanny state, know what's best for all of us.

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Gnomon Pillar's avatar

Another tell! The nanny state! I'll bring down the nanny state with my powerful vaccine disinformation! Ever tried an ivermectin milkshake? Unbelievably tasty and cures covid to boot!

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Lekimball's avatar

CHeck the NIH website and look at just how many studies are being done on ivermectin and read the abstracts -- they think some combination of it might have real merit. You couldn't think critically if you had to choose between breathing air or water. I have never heard anyone spout talking points more than you do. There are over 28 studies being done right now.

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Rick's avatar

And you the "bearer or truth" will doubtless inflict your ego and muddled thinking on the rest of us. So long as you pay out of pocket for all COVID-19 related medical expenses that would be acceptable.

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Lekimball's avatar

YOU are the "bearer of truth" clearly. I am saying nobody knows what is going on with this but YOU think you know enough that only a fool wouldn't take it or it should be mandated. It could be YOU causing the disaster going forward and there is science supporting that possibility I'm not telling ANYONE to get it or not get it. But YOU are advocating for vaccines, oh "bearer of truth." Let it be on your head. And don't give me this socialist bullshit about paying for YOUR mistakes. Get real. 80% of the people dying of this and getting sick and FAT. Even vaccinated. Why should we pay for their irresponsibility and poor health. Just because they get a shot? You wait. You'll be eating your words soon.

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Rick's avatar

Ah...

You reveal your true underlying intentions. I figured it would not take too long.

According to you: "I am saying nobody knows what is going on..." That is a very far reaching conclusion. There is always uncertainty when it comes to information, nevertheless, well informed and knowledgeable individuals can make good decisions. You want to misdirect from those decisions.

I am advocating for vaccines, this is true. The evidence is overwhelming that vaccines provide protection. They are not perfect but they definitely decrease the risk of severe disease and death. If they decrease the probability of penetration within a population then they will also decrease the risk of the emergence of a more virulent mutation.

"Why should we pay for their irresponsibility and poor health"...

Sure, but there are also people who are not obese or reprobates who are infected as well. Should "we" pay for them? Should "we pay" for those who refuse vaccination because it is their "right"? I'm rather reminded of the family whose child was not vaccinated for tetanus. That child became infected and suffered for months in the hospital often requiring periods of drug-induced paralysis and ventilation because of the spasms. The family refused to have that child vaccinated even after the child had recovered. The hospital bill was over $800,000. Should we pay for that?

So you have inferred that I am a "Socialist" and think "Socialist" bullshit thoughts. No, I just think that you should bear the consequences of your behaviors. As freedom loving and a critic of the "Nanny State" you most certainly should accept the cost of medical care should you become infected and have a particularly nasty course. Costs could easily expand into $500,000 or more. Why should I bear any burden (e.g., indirect cost of increased insurance premiums) to cover your rights? It is perfectly reasonable that a CEO of a major insurer would want to increase your rates or co-pays. Small price to pay for your freedom.

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Lekimball's avatar

Don't be ludicrous. Not unless you plan to make every fat person, every alcoholic (one of my high school friends has run up quite a bill with cirrhosis these days, but oh yes, that is a DISEASE, that's right). Maybe we shouldn't treat her. Every smoker. Or rescue people who take a boat out on a bouncy day. Or treat someone who had no seatbelt on, eh? They deserved it. Just where do you think that stops? And don't think it will stop with this. They'd love nothing better than to control every single thing we do from cradle to grave. I just am not yet convinced vaccinating the whole population, low risk people was in any way right and we'll see who ends up being right. If it's wrong, it will be a disaster.... They are doing a clinical study on the whole population and trying to eliminate the control group. With no long term studies. We'll see, I guess.

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Lipo Davis's avatar

Is it possible that taking the covid vaccine predisposes someone to become infected with the virus? Does the vaccine cause a short term degradation in the body's immune system?

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