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Kurl Malone's avatar

Hello Matt,

I'm curious if you had a chance to see Douglas Murray and Dave Smith on Rogan?

I was hoping you could give me your thoughts if so?

I was brought back to the debate with Gladwell on free speech and to hear the arguments Murray destroyed 2 years ago coming out of his mouth was more than funny, but credibility shattering IMO.

I'm curious about your opinion, but I understand if you prefer to keep it close....

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Patrick's avatar

Guest Appearances by Taylor Lorenz, Paul Krugman and Joy Reid?

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Indecisive decider's avatar

That would be awesome!! Paul Krugman telling us how inflation spiked on election day while it was negative the prior 4 years should be good for a chuckle, while Taylor pleasures herself to a video of Joy Reid pleasuring herself.

Let me get some fresh popcorn ready.

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Heidi E.'s avatar

I hope you find a few minutes to discuss the Dave Smith - Douglas Murray get together.

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Indecisive decider's avatar

Not much to say. Dave Smith outed himself as the much less informed debater, while still speaking with incredible confidence on the topic with which his lack of knowledge should have done the opposite.

Dave's the kind of guy who will criticize the use of expert opinions and 15 minutes later quote expert opinion. Which he did in that debate.

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Chuck Campbell's avatar

Indecisive decider appears to have outed himself. As a fan of deep state operatives. Douglas Murray is now on Sam Harris island

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Indecisive decider's avatar

Solid representation of Dave Smith logic, chuck. Call us when the shuttle lands.

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Bardamusic's avatar

Can you give some examples? Because Douglas Murray seems to feel he personally had much greater expertise than Dave because he was embedded with the IDF. Which to me seems to more likely disqualify you as a neutral observer rather than prove your credibility.

Murray also overwhelmingly seems to ignore genocide experts, IHL experts, historians and IRL experts, so at best he can claim to love only experts that agree with him.

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Indecisive decider's avatar

Sure, but it would be better if you searched "how many times has murray been to israel in the last 10 years". If you don't think immersing yourself into a different culture provides valuable insight on it's language, values and history, you are underestimating what it brings. I've lived in 5 states and various areas within them, and there are cultural differences you wouldn't know about unless you traveled there. And that's in the US.

That's where Dave Smith is. And I say that as someone who thought Dave brought valuable insight into discussions on Covid and Ukraine, and the problems with our government's expert class. I don't hate Dave Smith. I hate that he won't admit to his biases on topics he knows less about than others. I hate that he speaks with high levels of confidence - say 8/10 - in areas where his comparable knowledge is 2/10. I hate that he doubled down on ignorance instead of admitting he has things wrong. I hate that he reads other's opinions and forms his opinions on those opinions.

Ironically, he's doing the same thing our healthcare expert class did during Covid. Things he pointed out about them.

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Bardamusic's avatar

Again, Douglas Murray being a massive Israel fan and hating Palestinians doesn’t help his credibility at all. He could still be an expert like Benny Morris, but it shows his bias. I doubt you would consider Palestinian journalists embedded with Hamas on October 7th neutral parties :p

Meanwhile you can’t point to a single factual thing, because Murray made a fool of himself and we are left with this sort of mutual ad hominem statements. Rather than anything interesting.

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Indecisive decider's avatar

You are as free to your opinion as you are to ignore reality. Success at both I see.

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Bardamusic's avatar

But you can’t point to any reality I ignored. While I certainly will miss things, in this case it doesn’t seem so

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Nikki's avatar

Just finished listening myself, remembered why I like reading Douglas Murray so much and listening to him debate. Really felt more like a "schooling" to Dave and Rogan on geopolitics.

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cottonkid's avatar

I'm hoping for some mention of the whistleblower on Zuckerberg and China.

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Roxanne McCarty's avatar

Also what are your thoughts on Salvadoran president says he will not return a mistakenly deported man ?!?!?? What!?!?

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Left The Left's avatar

Abrego Garcia is an El Salvadorian citizen and was in the US illegally. He’s a known MS-13 member according to court documents from past arrests.

In this most recent ICE arrest Garcia had thousands of dollars worth of cash taped to his body and MS-13 paraphernalia hidden on his person bc he was preparing to run from ICE to avoid deportation.

His country of origin, El Salvador wants Garcia back so he can face due process there where he is incarcerated there now.

The media malpractice on this story is astounding even by the lowest standards.

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Indecisive decider's avatar

"resolving differences through equal dialogue based on mutual respect." - lol, ok CCP and president Xi/Winnie the Pooh, tell us about the Uighurs.

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MarciaT's avatar

Every time I click on this to watch ATW, I get "video unavailable - this video has been removed by the uploader" - What's up with that and how do I get to the video?

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Jodi Yaccino's avatar

Nothing you say will ever get me to blame China for anything. Nothing you say will ever get me to fear China in any way. They may not be perfect, what country is? They are so much better than the USA. We are the bullies on the world stage. We are the bad guys. I know that doesn’t make you feel good. Too fucking bad.

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Jeanette Cyr's avatar

Missed ATW a lot but just get well, Matt, we’ll still be here when you’re feeling better!

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James Schwartz's avatar

Thought it was cancelled? Matt had a dentist appt.??

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Chuck Campbell's avatar

Trump. Trump will blink first. He already did. No soothsayer required

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Karla M LaZier's avatar

Oligarchs rule see cut out in tariffs for Apple-protectionism on display.

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Al Gonzalez's avatar

There are reports of shipping containers sitting around and piling up in China and factories shutting down due to extremely low demand.

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