That's exactly what I want to know, why is everyone just assuming this is legit ? because it was in the news papers ? its not like they have ever lied to us before, and there definitely isn't any conspiracies against the conservative and liberal peoples, I am still looking into it but if you ask me this was a plant
You mean none. No fbi members were arrested for the Whitmer kidnapping. How stupid do you have to be to get fooled by the FBI? If someone comes up to me about "activity" to an elected official, of course it's the FBI. Lack of education in those flyover states coming back to bite them in the rear parts, I see.
While I fully support free speech, I do note that the tenor of the TK comment section is getting pretty wild. Comes with the territory, I guess. I had thought anti-Irish bigotry was old hat somewhere around the turn of the 20th c., but apparently nothing is too weird and wonderful for the reverse sides of the rocks beneath which we colorful denizens lurk.
But we’ve also seen a lot of right wing play acting. Like those dangerous “insurrectionists“ of January 6, 2021 — who left their guns at home rather than violate DC’s strict gun laws. Some people have simply seen Red Dawn too many times!
In part. I only know of one of the organized groups there, I’m sorry but can’t recall…(Oath Keepers or ProudBoys maybe?)that had members who’d stashed weapons in a motel in Virginia. As for the many other folks marching who might have wanted to carry guns, esp rifles, I do think they would have but simply knew they’d get into immediate trouble with DC Police and didn’t want that. And I do know many would have carried weapons otherwise, why not? See video above.
Patriot Front is a false flag Democrat party operation. Show me some Trump people, or ANYONE not a Democrat, who wears a mask. It is not us. It is YOU! Nice try.
I don't know you, and so I have no idea if what you say is true. But you are identified by your cell phone anyway, so if you really think the mask works, I'd review that. And the Dems ran the same scam in 2020 with a bunch of people dressed identically to the "Patriot Front" bunch, and those people were ALL doxed as Democrat party employees and activists. So my post DOES make sense. We've seen this before.
Link to that claim. Sure they can grab cell phone data with fake cell sites but at least I try not to make it too easy. It's all you can do without going off grid
It's not illegal anywhere in the us to cover your mouth, now if you are trying to combine Halloween style full face masks with mouth covering masks to try to muddy the waters, kudos to you, sir.
Over/under on how many of the 31 are C.I.'s and undercover Feds? My guess, 8. My additional guess is that it was the C.I.'s who drove the group to act.
Rightwingers are not opposing gay marriage. In fact, virtually all Republicans support civil unions, which is legally the same thing is a marriage. The government should get out of the marriage business entirely. They should only grant civil unions. Marriage should be relegated to churches and online ministers ordained for forty dollars a pop.
What the right wing objects to is gay marriage being taught to young children. That is not the same thing. For instance, you can be quite enthusiastically in favor of heterosexual sex and still not want its particulars discussed is schools with small children.
Parents are pissed. School boards are going to be “ground zero” in an American “Arab Spring” that will upend the ruling cabal of political and media elites this November.
The elites closed schools for 18 months, destroyed education with online school and non-working masks, told children they are racists just because of their skin color, told them they have to non just accrpt gay marriage but must celebrate gay couples or they are bigots, and insisted that should watch drag shows or tranny story time, and that they can change pronouns and have hormone blockers without parental consent. Has everyone lost their minds?
This is why Democrats lose elections. They may not rape then eat babies. But they surely do antagonize hardworking families who just want to be respected and raise their children — while they go about doing all of the real work that coincidentally keeps the elites alive. Maybe the elites don’t want to keep kicking this hornets nest. Just a thought.
One man's "normal" sex is another man's "perverse" sex. Teach and explain (but not demonstrate) a suite of sex acts, positions, fetishes, etc. to the 5th graders, initiate a discussion and challenge each student to categorize each sex act, etc. as either "normal" or "perverse", collate the answers, and then poll the class as to which category mosts interests them. Let's be democratic about the thing.
And eventually one reaches an age where even the thought of normal sex strikes one as perverse.
In the meantime you have radicals burning down women's health centers in preparation for the SCOTUS Roe vs Wade decision and no one is stopping them! My niece works for a health center that doesn't advise on abortions, leaving it up to the women. They will close ALL their sites on the day the decision is handed down in FEAR of being targeted by pro-abortion fanatics!
I'm pretty sure the insane response to the Roe decision is going to hurt the pro-choice folks when they later deal with the states. When I was in college it was legal for 12 weeks. 15 weeks seems reasonable. This crap about legal abortions till birth is turning people against them. The backlash had already started with laws like the "heartbeat bill" here in GA. On utube I follow Dr. John Campbell on COVID . He recently did a presentation with photos and fetal responses. It made me think 15 weeks may be a bit too long.
I don’t claim to speak for “Republicans” but will say that while I have no problem with gay people, I am entirely sick of people’s sexual preferences being shoved in my face. It is ridiculous to me that I can’t turn on a tv program or sporting event at this point without seeing rainbows everywhere. This seems like backlash to a movement that has gone too far.
I'm opposed to having it forced down my throat. A parade to show everyone you have deviated? Keep it to yourself. No one wants to know which end you house your sexual organ.
Do you see sane women having a parade announcing anything about their vaginas?
I'm afraid that beginning a diatribe focused on the gay community with..."I'm opposed to having it forced down my throat" reflects a lack of editorial oversight.
After the the FBI's involvement in the Michigan Gov. Whitmer attempted kidnapping incident, any imputed "right wing terrorist" group should be viewed with great skepticism.
One of the “Patriot Front” guys was photographed at his arrest with a megaphone labeled “FBI”. Considering that the arresting officers were Idaho state troopers, how did an FBI megaphone end up on scene?
Epps, the organizer of the Jan 5th meeting and megaphoning everyone into the Capitol did not even come before the HOUSE WITCH HUNT. His FBI lawyer said he was clean so they let him go!
Yes, when a dangerous group gathers to commit violence, they usually do so while wearing the same style pants as the fbi, and do so basically right next to an FBI field office.
Also, once arrested, the police will not remove their hats, nor masks, nor sunglasses, nor backbacks, nor items on their belts or in their pockets, and will then calmly stand around while journalists film.
The video at 9:34 shows people unmasked. Just a couple quick shots. Maybe the others were left masked? I assume masks protect FBI agents? Wouldn’t that look suspicious to bona PF members? Or are they all FBI?
Always great getting video of these events. A few things strike me:
1/ The success of the gay rights movement almost invalidates the need for Pride events today. Pride events were once politically charged/visibility events geared toward changing laws to ensure equality, including marriage equality. That's happened. Mission accomplished. Well done. As it should be.
2/ The trans movement is an entirely different animal from the gay rights movement and, in my opinion, should absolutely be decoupled from it. Revert back to the LGBQ, minus the T and let the Ts hash out their arguments independently. (Matt has touched on this notion recently.)
3/ I'm not sure about the blanket statement 'Republicans support for gay rights is sinking.' Might be true. But what they are definitely pushing back against today, as the video shows in part, is the Trans movement's demand that we immediately accept their stances as settled science and a settled societal norm. They are far from either at present. Much debate needs to occur in this realm.
4/ There is also pushback against trans issues - or any issues on the subject of sexuality - from entering into grade school curriculum and other delivery methods aimed at single-digit age children. This is another area of valid concern needing exploration.
5/ Patriot Front definitely an intelligence op.
6/ Pre-crime is here, folks! No actual crime needed. Think good thoughts only.
Straight people complain about gays at pride parades yet no one notices blacks and trans have completely taken over the pride movement. BLM blocked the Toronto pride parade and decried it as racist. The Boston pride parade was permanently canceled because, while it was agreed to center blacks and trans people at the parade, there wasn’t quite enough servile ass-kissing, and the parade organizers had the temerity to suggest that other people exist as well. Juneteenth, a holiday so laughably obscure it was mocked in the TV show Blackish a couple years ago, was plopped right in the middle of Pride month in a naked act of victimhood annexation. And it’s all part of a wider subjugation of the gay rights movement as part of queer theory which has literally nothing to do with gay people.
It's a mistake to categorize domestic terrorism as left leaning or right leaning. The distinction that matters is violent versus non violent. What distinguishes terrorism from ordinary activism is a willingness to use violence to achieve political goals.
Threat detection is just one intel function. Another is, what makes these kind of groups and individuals do what they do? We ran into this during GWOT when analyzing jihadist groups. When you really drill down far enough, a specific casual link isn't always so easy to find between a set of beliefs and subsequent actions.
Here in the states there are lots of groups and individuals who speak out against LGBT, but which one of those represent physical threats and which ones don't? Simply labeling groups as pro or anti LGBT really doesn't help much with threat detection. Same thing with left or right politically. All that tells me is what flavor of politics is involved. It doesn't speak to the potential for violence.
Incorrect. Pattern recognition is the most basic fundamental bulwark of intelligence. Understanding who is likely to commit these acts.and.when requires analyzing what has already happened from every angle. Past is prologue.
They should have arrested them all at home then. They could haul in thousands right now. Are these guys "likely" terrorists or actual terrorists? It is an important distinction when depriving people of their freedom.
Are you vouching for the fact that this isn't just FBI Kabuki theater?
Thank you! It stinks to high heaven…
That's exactly what I want to know, why is everyone just assuming this is legit ? because it was in the news papers ? its not like they have ever lied to us before, and there definitely isn't any conspiracies against the conservative and liberal peoples, I am still looking into it but if you ask me this was a plant
Not everything is Federal Alphabet Agency Black Ops. Accept that fact that hate is on the rise. When the economy goes down, anger and hate go up.
Wasn't the point, asking if he investigated it. Learn to read.
I don't care what your point is. Take off the tin hat and touch some grass. Learn to read.
Ok, groomer.
Just like the Whitmer kidnapping and January 6, how long before we learn 16 of the 31 are FBI and they were the ones with the weapons.
😂
You mean none. No fbi members were arrested for the Whitmer kidnapping. How stupid do you have to be to get fooled by the FBI? If someone comes up to me about "activity" to an elected official, of course it's the FBI. Lack of education in those flyover states coming back to bite them in the rear parts, I see.
Because the FBI don't arrest their own under cover operatives. Could you be any dumber?
But the jury sure saw through it. That's why everyone arrested was acquitted.
You're a typical Blue state Dim .... credentialed but not educated. And all the common sense of a house plant.
😂😂😂
Refuting a claim not made, strong work. It is irrefutable that the fbi was involved.
Ok fed. Is it weird your name glows on my screen?
It's weird you can read. Never knew a literate Mick.
"Never knew a literate Mick."
Joyce? Yeats? Swift?
While I fully support free speech, I do note that the tenor of the TK comment section is getting pretty wild. Comes with the territory, I guess. I had thought anti-Irish bigotry was old hat somewhere around the turn of the 20th c., but apparently nothing is too weird and wonderful for the reverse sides of the rocks beneath which we colorful denizens lurk.
Wow, just wow.
Remember, folks (especially Matt!): if something looks too stupid and brain-dead to be true…it probably isn’t
You can't even remember what you typed a few minutes ago. Social Media Derangement Syndrome spotted.
So why did you reply?
But we’ve also seen a lot of right wing play acting. Like those dangerous “insurrectionists“ of January 6, 2021 — who left their guns at home rather than violate DC’s strict gun laws. Some people have simply seen Red Dawn too many times!
They left their guns in motels in Virginia, because everyone knows you’d be immediately arrested and hauled off the streets for carrying guns in DC.
I think you’re being facetious but I’m not entirely sure …
In part. I only know of one of the organized groups there, I’m sorry but can’t recall…(Oath Keepers or ProudBoys maybe?)that had members who’d stashed weapons in a motel in Virginia. As for the many other folks marching who might have wanted to carry guns, esp rifles, I do think they would have but simply knew they’d get into immediate trouble with DC Police and didn’t want that. And I do know many would have carried weapons otherwise, why not? See video above.
They were planning to violently overthrow the Federal government, but feared getting in trouble with the D.C. police for mere gun possession?
Not everything , but it sure is out there
The FBI is so corrupt, I don't know what to think when they are involved
I shit thrice your IQ.
There is no possible way this is not a Fed-driven operation. I mean, jaysus, look at the pictures!
Patriot Front is a false flag Democrat party operation. Show me some Trump people, or ANYONE not a Democrat, who wears a mask. It is not us. It is YOU! Nice try.
I wear a mask to keep security cameras from identifying me, so your whole post doesn't make sense.
I don't know you, and so I have no idea if what you say is true. But you are identified by your cell phone anyway, so if you really think the mask works, I'd review that. And the Dems ran the same scam in 2020 with a bunch of people dressed identically to the "Patriot Front" bunch, and those people were ALL doxed as Democrat party employees and activists. So my post DOES make sense. We've seen this before.
Link to that claim. Sure they can grab cell phone data with fake cell sites but at least I try not to make it too easy. It's all you can do without going off grid
Wearing a mask is anti-social, and, in some states, illegal.
It's not illegal anywhere in the us to cover your mouth, now if you are trying to combine Halloween style full face masks with mouth covering masks to try to muddy the waters, kudos to you, sir.
You stated you were concealing your identity. This is a violation of the anti-masking laws of several states.
I won't be surprised one bit when it's later revealed the Feds are involved with the Patriot Front dudes somehow, some way.
Over/under on how many of the 31 are C.I.'s and undercover Feds? My guess, 8. My additional guess is that it was the C.I.'s who drove the group to act.
Way over.
I'll take the under at 0.
Are you definitely not the FBI or just proximally?
No, they still have a hate boner on marijuana.
“Armed response”?
No firearms/knives were found on any of those arrested.
This is my problem with the way media is characterizing these arrests as well.
They were not armed.
Even the sheriff at the presser (in this video) did NOT mention the conspirators being armed; merely that one had a smoke grenade in his possession.
One exception:
Earl Sullivan founder of Insurgence USA, an extreme BLM activist from Utah.
Entered the capitol wearing a ballistics vest and mask, filmed the chaos, and sold it to CNN and NBC @ $35,000 each.
He was arrested on 8 counts including carrying a weapon into the capitol building.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-seizes-90000-man-who-sold-footage-us-capitol-riot-2021-05-21/
Dems giving REPUBs a bad name.
I was speaking exclusively in response to the recent Idaho event.
I was responding to all such sexual identity events!
Rightwingers are not opposing gay marriage. In fact, virtually all Republicans support civil unions, which is legally the same thing is a marriage. The government should get out of the marriage business entirely. They should only grant civil unions. Marriage should be relegated to churches and online ministers ordained for forty dollars a pop.
What the right wing objects to is gay marriage being taught to young children. That is not the same thing. For instance, you can be quite enthusiastically in favor of heterosexual sex and still not want its particulars discussed is schools with small children.
Parents are pissed. School boards are going to be “ground zero” in an American “Arab Spring” that will upend the ruling cabal of political and media elites this November.
The elites closed schools for 18 months, destroyed education with online school and non-working masks, told children they are racists just because of their skin color, told them they have to non just accrpt gay marriage but must celebrate gay couples or they are bigots, and insisted that should watch drag shows or tranny story time, and that they can change pronouns and have hormone blockers without parental consent. Has everyone lost their minds?
This is why Democrats lose elections. They may not rape then eat babies. But they surely do antagonize hardworking families who just want to be respected and raise their children — while they go about doing all of the real work that coincidentally keeps the elites alive. Maybe the elites don’t want to keep kicking this hornets nest. Just a thought.
NOTHING about sex, marriage, and that should be taught before 6th grade. And then NO GAY STUFF.
NORMAL SEX is what should be taught. Not perverse stuff.
Okayyyyyy, dude, we got it: you’re a homophobe. Jesus Christ, dude, how many of these idiotic comments can you post?
He's a troll.....read his name slowly.
Found the guy with the gay pornhub account. 🤣 🤣
What’s so special about 6th grade?
One man's "normal" sex is another man's "perverse" sex. Teach and explain (but not demonstrate) a suite of sex acts, positions, fetishes, etc. to the 5th graders, initiate a discussion and challenge each student to categorize each sex act, etc. as either "normal" or "perverse", collate the answers, and then poll the class as to which category mosts interests them. Let's be democratic about the thing.
And eventually one reaches an age where even the thought of normal sex strikes one as perverse.
Better yet, your perverted approach should involve 5th graders actually working out the positions in class. Get naked, get happy. Right?
Geezus, you should be on the sex offender list. You are a complete degenerate.
^^^( Has never actually had “sex”, but jerks off to Hannity)
Thick.
In the meantime you have radicals burning down women's health centers in preparation for the SCOTUS Roe vs Wade decision and no one is stopping them! My niece works for a health center that doesn't advise on abortions, leaving it up to the women. They will close ALL their sites on the day the decision is handed down in FEAR of being targeted by pro-abortion fanatics!
I'm pretty sure the insane response to the Roe decision is going to hurt the pro-choice folks when they later deal with the states. When I was in college it was legal for 12 weeks. 15 weeks seems reasonable. This crap about legal abortions till birth is turning people against them. The backlash had already started with laws like the "heartbeat bill" here in GA. On utube I follow Dr. John Campbell on COVID . He recently did a presentation with photos and fetal responses. It made me think 15 weeks may be a bit too long.
I don’t claim to speak for “Republicans” but will say that while I have no problem with gay people, I am entirely sick of people’s sexual preferences being shoved in my face. It is ridiculous to me that I can’t turn on a tv program or sporting event at this point without seeing rainbows everywhere. This seems like backlash to a movement that has gone too far.
Are you opposed to heterosexual representation?
I'm opposed to having it forced down my throat. A parade to show everyone you have deviated? Keep it to yourself. No one wants to know which end you house your sexual organ.
Do you see sane women having a parade announcing anything about their vaginas?
I'm afraid that beginning a diatribe focused on the gay community with..."I'm opposed to having it forced down my throat" reflects a lack of editorial oversight.
I don't care about editorial oversight. I have the right to affiliate myself with people who question, when "your rights impinge on mine".
Like doesn’t work, so I’ll just tell you I agree.
Matt, FIX the “like heart”, please
Jan, I fixed your heart!
I’m not sure what you mean by representation. A straight parade?
Matt this is an obvious false flag. I guarantee these people are either FBI or working for an FBI front group.
I wonder who got to Matt.
After the the FBI's involvement in the Michigan Gov. Whitmer attempted kidnapping incident, any imputed "right wing terrorist" group should be viewed with great skepticism.
Especially when they park their personal vehicles far away so that nobody can trace plates back to the members of the group.
Say, isn't that how the FBI conducts raids?
Ray Epps’ lawyer is a former FBI agent
https://beckernews.com/the-mystery-man-ray-epps-indeed-has-a-proven-link-to-the-fbi-its-just-not-what-everybody-thought-43853/
Like.
One of the “Patriot Front” guys was photographed at his arrest with a megaphone labeled “FBI”. Considering that the arresting officers were Idaho state troopers, how did an FBI megaphone end up on scene?
https://i0.wp.com/talkofnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/1655074622_442_Exclusive-Oops-Patriot-Front-Member-Was-Arrested-in-Idaho-Carrying.jpg
Epps, the organizer of the Jan 5th meeting and megaphoning everyone into the Capitol did not even come before the HOUSE WITCH HUNT. His FBI lawyer said he was clean so they let him go!
Ray Epps’ lawyer is a former FBI agent
https://beckernews.com/the-mystery-man-ray-epps-indeed-has-a-proven-link-to-the-fbi-its-just-not-what-everybody-thought-43853/
One fbi sticker does not an FBI megaphone make.
You are really in overdrive on this one. Glowing brighter than the sun.
They should change their name to "Definitely FBI"
Sorry please don't assume my pronouns.
Mick, every post you surprise me more and more. Here is a ⭐. I'm glad the reading lessons are paying off!
Yes, when a dangerous group gathers to commit violence, they usually do so while wearing the same style pants as the fbi, and do so basically right next to an FBI field office.
Also, once arrested, the police will not remove their hats, nor masks, nor sunglasses, nor backbacks, nor items on their belts or in their pockets, and will then calmly stand around while journalists film.
Yep.
I love the shoes: brown or black brogans, with black socks, worn with cargo shorts. Really, um…striking
Just to note that in this case, the reporter makes it clear that all 31 were unmasked upon arrest.
Not until well after they had been cuffed, the video clearly has them all still masked
The video at 9:34 shows people unmasked. Just a couple quick shots. Maybe the others were left masked? I assume masks protect FBI agents? Wouldn’t that look suspicious to bona PF members? Or are they all FBI?
Doubtful any were agents, but probably a good number of CIs given what we've seen in other cases
Still, wouldn’t that too cause a great deal of suspicion?
It does, and it did.
I've heard Patriot Front is FBI. The only time they show up they are all costumed up, arrive in a usual. Where do they post? Can anyone name a member?
Uhaul-ugh autocorrect
Always great getting video of these events. A few things strike me:
1/ The success of the gay rights movement almost invalidates the need for Pride events today. Pride events were once politically charged/visibility events geared toward changing laws to ensure equality, including marriage equality. That's happened. Mission accomplished. Well done. As it should be.
2/ The trans movement is an entirely different animal from the gay rights movement and, in my opinion, should absolutely be decoupled from it. Revert back to the LGBQ, minus the T and let the Ts hash out their arguments independently. (Matt has touched on this notion recently.)
3/ I'm not sure about the blanket statement 'Republicans support for gay rights is sinking.' Might be true. But what they are definitely pushing back against today, as the video shows in part, is the Trans movement's demand that we immediately accept their stances as settled science and a settled societal norm. They are far from either at present. Much debate needs to occur in this realm.
4/ There is also pushback against trans issues - or any issues on the subject of sexuality - from entering into grade school curriculum and other delivery methods aimed at single-digit age children. This is another area of valid concern needing exploration.
5/ Patriot Front definitely an intelligence op.
6/ Pre-crime is here, folks! No actual crime needed. Think good thoughts only.
Straight people complain about gays at pride parades yet no one notices blacks and trans have completely taken over the pride movement. BLM blocked the Toronto pride parade and decried it as racist. The Boston pride parade was permanently canceled because, while it was agreed to center blacks and trans people at the parade, there wasn’t quite enough servile ass-kissing, and the parade organizers had the temerity to suggest that other people exist as well. Juneteenth, a holiday so laughably obscure it was mocked in the TV show Blackish a couple years ago, was plopped right in the middle of Pride month in a naked act of victimhood annexation. And it’s all part of a wider subjugation of the gay rights movement as part of queer theory which has literally nothing to do with gay people.
It's a mistake to categorize domestic terrorism as left leaning or right leaning. The distinction that matters is violent versus non violent. What distinguishes terrorism from ordinary activism is a willingness to use violence to achieve political goals.
Threat detection is just one intel function. Another is, what makes these kind of groups and individuals do what they do? We ran into this during GWOT when analyzing jihadist groups. When you really drill down far enough, a specific casual link isn't always so easy to find between a set of beliefs and subsequent actions.
Here in the states there are lots of groups and individuals who speak out against LGBT, but which one of those represent physical threats and which ones don't? Simply labeling groups as pro or anti LGBT really doesn't help much with threat detection. Same thing with left or right politically. All that tells me is what flavor of politics is involved. It doesn't speak to the potential for violence.
Incorrect. Pattern recognition is the most basic fundamental bulwark of intelligence. Understanding who is likely to commit these acts.and.when requires analyzing what has already happened from every angle. Past is prologue.
They should have arrested them all at home then. They could haul in thousands right now. Are these guys "likely" terrorists or actual terrorists? It is an important distinction when depriving people of their freedom.
I saw that movie - Tom Cruise flick, right?