The most depressing part of this is that so many activists (and most citizens as well) have no comprehension of what the ruling was about. It was not a statement about whether abortion was right or wrong, it was whether an activist court overreached in making it legal on a federal basis in 1972.
Most of the states where these protests are occurring are not impacted at all by the ruling.
Unfortunately, our media either doesn't understand the ruling as well, or they do, and instead of being journalists, choose to paint it in a way to create as many clicks as possible, and encourage divineness amongst the readers.
The two extremist factions on abortion - the camp that wants abortion on demand any time prior to labor, and the no abortion ever under any circumstances - are the noisiest and least significant in terms of actual numbers. Yet they define the terms of debate, which is insane. And whatever compromise between those two poles is made, neither end will be happy. Tough.
The law that struck down Roe didn't even end abortion, it limited it to 15 weeks - the most common legal limit in Europe. Funny how the left doesn't want to be like Europe on that.
My absolute favorite unhinged take was from a woman who I saw interviewed on CNN who said that Republicans wanted to turn women into forced breeders, as in A Handmaid's Tale.
Yep Republican operatives are trolling bars where they ply young women with drinks so they wake up hung over & knocked up.
I have to say that for a group who screams loudly about their reproductive rights they seem woefully ignorant about how their reproductive systems actually work. At times it seems like they think that semen is flying through the air like dust and could, at any moment, impregnate them against their will. Almost as if they think they've had no part in their own impregnation.
Sex education should be taught with clarity. Unwanted pregnancies, STDs could be prevented if people engaged in sexual activities with more thought. This is probably a hopeless suggestion. But all this energy shown in the video--could some of it not be turned to better education?
The hysteria of college educated upper middle class white females is a sight to behold. Does this fill some other empty place in their lives? Asking for a friend.
Personally, as a father who saw the ultrasound of the tiny baby moving inside my wife, I have a fairly mixed viewpoint on this. I do think it’s killing a baby. But I do not think the government should ever dictate what women do with their bodies. This is a life which is completely dependent on the woman. You can hate abortion and refuse to support the government interfering in a woman’s right to choose.
The statistics on this are horrifying. Black women have had 20 million abortions since Roe v Wade. And there are only 45 million black Americans. Those are genocide numbers.
But women are not baby factories living at the whim of congress and the courts. This is their basic freedom which is being attacked.
I end up thinking tolerance and understanding are going to have more positive impact than draconian laws.
By the way, YES I intentionally said “women”, not birthing people. Because only women have babies.
Dialogueless politics. That’s about it. We go from one rage machine moment to the next. Feed them something they can rage against, since they’re already nuts. I mean (sorry) but look at them. Is there any other conclusion? Then, while they’re feeding, take away their real rights. Has anyone noticed censorship? Or loss of body autonomy in the form of injections or the crimes against farmers happening everywhere, along with our food supplies? The real message is “pick a side” so we can do whatever is necessary to destroy the opposition. “Dialogueless politics”. Beautiful little phrase, Matt and a perfect summation of this moment.
Democrats had 50 years to do something about Roe. They even had a heads up this year. Supreme Court ain’t the issue here.
Obama came into office with quite the head wind, nothing. Democrats spent every election reminding everyone who would listen that if republicans get into power Roe will go away, nothing.
Are the Democrats really interested in Roe?! Or just re-election?
I can understand the passion of anti-abortion activists -- 'murdering innocent children!' and all that.
But the pro-abortion activists? I mean, the prospect of traveling across the state line for abortion? How can you get riled up so much about that? Sorry, but their outrage seems completely phoney...
I suspect the real story here is what a non-event this has been nationwide. There are always people willing to yell and scream. Put a camera in their face and they love it. They yell and scream louder. They color their hair and put on face paint. 100 of them look like a mob. 500 look like a mass protest. 1000 and you think they're the entire nation.
They're not. Not even close. And they rarely, if ever, shape reality.
Those who do shape reality, they do it quietly behind closed doors with money and force with no cameras or journalists watching. They never get on TV. They're not in videos. At least not as themselves. But they are, as actors, playing a role with their strings pulled by . . . drum roll please . . . . yes that's the Big Question isn't it?
Perhaps people in the west especially the USA will figure out that "it's the system stupid!" I'm not hopeful. After the acceptance of the woke agenda and the COVID narrative and now the Ukraine narrative; I've pretty well given up hope. Of course, being an atheist All my memorable life I've never understood how anyone could believe those absurdities and I never will. People can believe anything. I do agree that changes within the system will never happen, it's just too corrupt. Millions in the streets would do it but organizing Americans is like herding cats. Things are going to get really bad in Europe, perhaps the people will take to the streets in the millions, the yellow vests in France and now the farmers in Holland might be a start.
I had to take a break at 7 minutes because I honestly felt like the sheer lameness was causing me brain damage.
Those activists are the most pathetic thing I've seen I've seen since Greta Thornberg yelled at the UN.
These nitwits are impossible to take seriously.
This is true even though the issue is incredibly serious.
I actually have trouble thinking of a more morally fraught social issue than abortion. But the entire public dialogue is so utterly fucking pathetic that it chased every serious person to the sidelines.
I have no idea what to do about nitwits like these activists. Maybe promise them all a sum of money if they promise to never leave their campus?
What I don't understand is what they think they're doing. Do they think the SC will take it all back? Say "Never mind?" It's crystal clear that the fight is now in state legislatures. It's about filing bills and lobbying for yours and against theirs. After that, it's about supporting your candidates and opposing theirs. Clowning around in the streets does none of that.
Activism, Uncensored: Abortion Rights Protests Continue
The most depressing part of this is that so many activists (and most citizens as well) have no comprehension of what the ruling was about. It was not a statement about whether abortion was right or wrong, it was whether an activist court overreached in making it legal on a federal basis in 1972.
Most of the states where these protests are occurring are not impacted at all by the ruling.
Unfortunately, our media either doesn't understand the ruling as well, or they do, and instead of being journalists, choose to paint it in a way to create as many clicks as possible, and encourage divineness amongst the readers.
The two extremist factions on abortion - the camp that wants abortion on demand any time prior to labor, and the no abortion ever under any circumstances - are the noisiest and least significant in terms of actual numbers. Yet they define the terms of debate, which is insane. And whatever compromise between those two poles is made, neither end will be happy. Tough.
The law that struck down Roe didn't even end abortion, it limited it to 15 weeks - the most common legal limit in Europe. Funny how the left doesn't want to be like Europe on that.
My absolute favorite unhinged take was from a woman who I saw interviewed on CNN who said that Republicans wanted to turn women into forced breeders, as in A Handmaid's Tale.
Yep Republican operatives are trolling bars where they ply young women with drinks so they wake up hung over & knocked up.
I have to say that for a group who screams loudly about their reproductive rights they seem woefully ignorant about how their reproductive systems actually work. At times it seems like they think that semen is flying through the air like dust and could, at any moment, impregnate them against their will. Almost as if they think they've had no part in their own impregnation.
Quite amusing.
Sex education should be taught with clarity. Unwanted pregnancies, STDs could be prevented if people engaged in sexual activities with more thought. This is probably a hopeless suggestion. But all this energy shown in the video--could some of it not be turned to better education?
The hysteria of college educated upper middle class white females is a sight to behold. Does this fill some other empty place in their lives? Asking for a friend.
Personally, as a father who saw the ultrasound of the tiny baby moving inside my wife, I have a fairly mixed viewpoint on this. I do think it’s killing a baby. But I do not think the government should ever dictate what women do with their bodies. This is a life which is completely dependent on the woman. You can hate abortion and refuse to support the government interfering in a woman’s right to choose.
The statistics on this are horrifying. Black women have had 20 million abortions since Roe v Wade. And there are only 45 million black Americans. Those are genocide numbers.
But women are not baby factories living at the whim of congress and the courts. This is their basic freedom which is being attacked.
I end up thinking tolerance and understanding are going to have more positive impact than draconian laws.
By the way, YES I intentionally said “women”, not birthing people. Because only women have babies.
Dialogueless politics. That’s about it. We go from one rage machine moment to the next. Feed them something they can rage against, since they’re already nuts. I mean (sorry) but look at them. Is there any other conclusion? Then, while they’re feeding, take away their real rights. Has anyone noticed censorship? Or loss of body autonomy in the form of injections or the crimes against farmers happening everywhere, along with our food supplies? The real message is “pick a side” so we can do whatever is necessary to destroy the opposition. “Dialogueless politics”. Beautiful little phrase, Matt and a perfect summation of this moment.
Democrats had 50 years to do something about Roe. They even had a heads up this year. Supreme Court ain’t the issue here.
Obama came into office with quite the head wind, nothing. Democrats spent every election reminding everyone who would listen that if republicans get into power Roe will go away, nothing.
Are the Democrats really interested in Roe?! Or just re-election?
Does the "my body my choice" philosophy extend to Covid vaccines?
Crickets.
I can understand the passion of anti-abortion activists -- 'murdering innocent children!' and all that.
But the pro-abortion activists? I mean, the prospect of traveling across the state line for abortion? How can you get riled up so much about that? Sorry, but their outrage seems completely phoney...
I suspect the real story here is what a non-event this has been nationwide. There are always people willing to yell and scream. Put a camera in their face and they love it. They yell and scream louder. They color their hair and put on face paint. 100 of them look like a mob. 500 look like a mass protest. 1000 and you think they're the entire nation.
They're not. Not even close. And they rarely, if ever, shape reality.
Those who do shape reality, they do it quietly behind closed doors with money and force with no cameras or journalists watching. They never get on TV. They're not in videos. At least not as themselves. But they are, as actors, playing a role with their strings pulled by . . . drum roll please . . . . yes that's the Big Question isn't it?
Perhaps people in the west especially the USA will figure out that "it's the system stupid!" I'm not hopeful. After the acceptance of the woke agenda and the COVID narrative and now the Ukraine narrative; I've pretty well given up hope. Of course, being an atheist All my memorable life I've never understood how anyone could believe those absurdities and I never will. People can believe anything. I do agree that changes within the system will never happen, it's just too corrupt. Millions in the streets would do it but organizing Americans is like herding cats. Things are going to get really bad in Europe, perhaps the people will take to the streets in the millions, the yellow vests in France and now the farmers in Holland might be a start.
I long for the day when abortion will be viewed in the rear view mirror similarly to how slavery is now perceived.
I had to take a break at 7 minutes because I honestly felt like the sheer lameness was causing me brain damage.
Those activists are the most pathetic thing I've seen I've seen since Greta Thornberg yelled at the UN.
These nitwits are impossible to take seriously.
This is true even though the issue is incredibly serious.
I actually have trouble thinking of a more morally fraught social issue than abortion. But the entire public dialogue is so utterly fucking pathetic that it chased every serious person to the sidelines.
I have no idea what to do about nitwits like these activists. Maybe promise them all a sum of money if they promise to never leave their campus?
> "We want democracy; Roberts wants theocracy"
> "This is what democracy looks like"
The level of Orwell is staggering
What I don't understand is what they think they're doing. Do they think the SC will take it all back? Say "Never mind?" It's crystal clear that the fight is now in state legislatures. It's about filing bills and lobbying for yours and against theirs. After that, it's about supporting your candidates and opposing theirs. Clowning around in the streets does none of that.