"9/11 was when the security state jumped the shark"....is not the same as claiming it was an inside-job conspiracy.
After the last few years, you should also see how easy it is to get the MSM to hype whatever you want them to, as long as it provides a fresh jolt of fearmongering PANIC! for their ratings and career advancement for their ta…
"9/11 was when the security state jumped the shark"....is not the same as claiming it was an inside-job conspiracy.
After the last few years, you should also see how easy it is to get the MSM to hype whatever you want them to, as long as it provides a fresh jolt of fearmongering PANIC! for their ratings and career advancement for their talking heads.
Bush/Cheney are vile war criminals, but that doesn't mean they orchestrated 9/11.
uh the onus is on the conspiracist to provide proof, not the opposite.
i was there downtown that day and there was smoke, fire and debris flying all over, it felt like being inside an oven, i assume that may have had something to do with it.
pls acknowledge how easy it is to craft an unproveable narrative based on hindsight, and also explain why, if the plan was to create a spectacular attack, they needed to rig the building next door w explosives?
Murdering thousands of people and destroying the NYC skyline wasn't enough to get Cheney's penis pump tingling?
I find "I was there, I know it wasn't an inside job" to be the most arrogant argument, cos it doesn't mean anything and you're exploiting sympathy. Buildings don't just fall down when there's smoke, fire and debris flying around - as evidenced by the fact that no other buildings spontaneously fell down, including ones between WTCs 1&2, and WTC 7. The official story is nonsensical
There are too many unknowns to really comment on the sociology, but I do have a problem with Building 7 collapsing due to the office furniture burning on a few of the floors.
There was the story of 10,000 gallons of diesel fuel stored in the basement for generators, but if that was burning, why wasn't the entire building wrapped in black smoke?
I wasn't there and I don't know all the details, but that works both ways.
As I see it, America was the "Melting Pot," and World War 2 turned up the heat under it, drawing together all the classes creeds and colors, as the largest public project in history and there was no turning off the "Military Industrial Complex." Consider more tonnage of bombs were dropped on Korea, than Germany and Japan combined.
It really is the force that ties this country together, not a thousand years of history, like countries in the Old World.
It's a bit long, but here are my thoughts why we are where we are;
I think you mean more tonnage of bombs dropped on Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia (7.5 million), not Korea (635,000 tons) - than were dropped in all of WW2 (over 2 million tons). You've got your wars mixed up.
Undoubtedly your uncle was correct. The Korean War was extremely intense. And considering that the US bombed Southeast Asia for around 14 years (from JFK to Ford) while Korea had lasted just 3 years, helps account for the difference in the overall ordinance dropped between the two conflicts.
They were still using B-29s and P-51s in Korea. The B-52 was another animal entirely, explaining the ordnance differences also. With that said, iron bombs dropped from high altitude didn't have as much effectiveness as advertised, so a lot of the explosive power was essentially wasted. The Japan firestorms and things like Hamburg were unusual occurrences.
Clever Pseudonym: Highly unlikely that Bush, and probably Cheney, had any idea what was coming. FDR, Secretary of War, Stimson, and one or two others knew the Japanese were planning an attack on Pearl Harbor, thus our three most modern aircraft carriers put to sea prior to the attack, but they told nobody. Today, the "intelligence" community has grown far more powerful than the civilian leadership, and they are experts at keeping secrets.
"9/11 was when the security state jumped the shark"....is not the same as claiming it was an inside-job conspiracy.
After the last few years, you should also see how easy it is to get the MSM to hype whatever you want them to, as long as it provides a fresh jolt of fearmongering PANIC! for their ratings and career advancement for their talking heads.
Bush/Cheney are vile war criminals, but that doesn't mean they orchestrated 9/11.
Explain Building 7
uh the onus is on the conspiracist to provide proof, not the opposite.
i was there downtown that day and there was smoke, fire and debris flying all over, it felt like being inside an oven, i assume that may have had something to do with it.
pls acknowledge how easy it is to craft an unproveable narrative based on hindsight, and also explain why, if the plan was to create a spectacular attack, they needed to rig the building next door w explosives?
Murdering thousands of people and destroying the NYC skyline wasn't enough to get Cheney's penis pump tingling?
I find "I was there, I know it wasn't an inside job" to be the most arrogant argument, cos it doesn't mean anything and you're exploiting sympathy. Buildings don't just fall down when there's smoke, fire and debris flying around - as evidenced by the fact that no other buildings spontaneously fell down, including ones between WTCs 1&2, and WTC 7. The official story is nonsensical
Explain Bldg 7.
It comes after Bldg 6 and before Bldg 8.
Collateral damage.
There are too many unknowns to really comment on the sociology, but I do have a problem with Building 7 collapsing due to the office furniture burning on a few of the floors.
There was the story of 10,000 gallons of diesel fuel stored in the basement for generators, but if that was burning, why wasn't the entire building wrapped in black smoke?
I wasn't there and I don't know all the details, but that works both ways.
As I see it, America was the "Melting Pot," and World War 2 turned up the heat under it, drawing together all the classes creeds and colors, as the largest public project in history and there was no turning off the "Military Industrial Complex." Consider more tonnage of bombs were dropped on Korea, than Germany and Japan combined.
It really is the force that ties this country together, not a thousand years of history, like countries in the Old World.
It's a bit long, but here are my thoughts why we are where we are;
https://johnmerryman.substack.com/p/why-culture-is-not-reality
I think you mean more tonnage of bombs dropped on Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia (7.5 million), not Korea (635,000 tons) - than were dropped in all of WW2 (over 2 million tons). You've got your wars mixed up.
Thanks for the correction. Sounds more logical.
Though I had an uncle that flew in Korea and he commented on how all the flights taking off in the mornings would turn a clear day cloudy.
Undoubtedly your uncle was correct. The Korean War was extremely intense. And considering that the US bombed Southeast Asia for around 14 years (from JFK to Ford) while Korea had lasted just 3 years, helps account for the difference in the overall ordinance dropped between the two conflicts.
They were still using B-29s and P-51s in Korea. The B-52 was another animal entirely, explaining the ordnance differences also. With that said, iron bombs dropped from high altitude didn't have as much effectiveness as advertised, so a lot of the explosive power was essentially wasted. The Japan firestorms and things like Hamburg were unusual occurrences.
The original forever war.
I was born in 1960.
Clever Pseudonym: Highly unlikely that Bush, and probably Cheney, had any idea what was coming. FDR, Secretary of War, Stimson, and one or two others knew the Japanese were planning an attack on Pearl Harbor, thus our three most modern aircraft carriers put to sea prior to the attack, but they told nobody. Today, the "intelligence" community has grown far more powerful than the civilian leadership, and they are experts at keeping secrets.