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Why would going back be better after all that has been shown to be a lie and blatantly criminal behavior? You think this country elected Trump to go back to business as usual? We already tried that, and it didn't do any good for anyone but the super wealthy.

I'm curious to know what exactly you think is a catastrophe with Trump? No new wars and putting an end to the free trade while the rest of the world slaps tariffs on our exports sounds like a pretty sweet deal. You think this country wants to get rid of our borders and let anyone come and go as they please? How is that even a country anymore?

I would be willing to bet that you could be dishonest and confused enough to mistake all the noise and chaos that the media and the Dems are causing in their attempts to destabilize Trump for actual bad behavior or blame on his part. Take away all the media smears and constant pearl clutching, along with the insane attempts to lie and cheat to overthrow a POTUS and undo an election, and all you are left with is a very boring and uneventful presidency that has accomplished many of its promises, and actually got stuff done despite it all.

You might actually have a legitimate grievance on some or all of his policies, but given the language you choose to use, I seriously doubt it. The only catastrophe is for the deep state Dems and free trade oligarchs who want to sell out this country. If you're one of them, then too bad if it's catastrophic. You ain't seen nothing yet. It's just going to get worse the more you gnash and snarl like an insane cornered animal.

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LeeH's avatar

I see your point. But how the administration has handled the Coronavirus pandemic=Catastrophe. Even the establishment dems would have done better.

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imcaffeine's avatar

IDK. Many establishment dem governors have done so well that states such as NY literally killed tens of thousands of nursing home patients by sending COVID patients there. It has nothing to do with the president or the legislature.

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LeeH's avatar

In the case of pandemics, Immediate reaction was needed at a federal level. States were deferring to CDC, which was so slow to respond with guidance like wear masks...because yes I know they were worried about mask shortages.

I don’t think the dem and rep governors or local leaders are blameless here. I just think federal response could have been so much better, thus providing better leadership and support to all states.

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Robert Harvilla's avatar

Given the fact that absolutely no one handled the virus better, that is an absurd claim to make. The only ones that can be said to have reacted better are the Swedes, who avoided most of the self inflicted economic damage and societal disruption while still having lower per capita deaths than Belgium, Spain, Italy, and the UK.

Speculating about the woulda coulda shoulda is quite stupid, and effortlessly easy to do. Maybe you should try speculating how things would have turned out if Kennedy didn't get shot, or if Armstrong's lunar lander crashed and burned. That might actually be interesting, and it would be just as based in reality as your establishment speculation.

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Calling the most uneventful first three years of a presidency since Carter a catastrophe betrays not only your blind partisan hatred, but your colossal stupidity as well. Trying to blame Trump for something everyone is struggling with only shows that even if there were one death you would be screaming bloody murder.

Your Obama fan fiction rewrite of history leaves out so many key things and completely falls flat when it comes to getting wrong the few things you were able to scribble out.

Obama didn't save anything from collapse, the economy recovered and stabilized automatically due to the myriad of safety net programs and shock absorbers we have baked into the system and haven't been yet dismantled by the neolib Dems. And not even attempting to hold a single banker accountable for the massive and pervasive fraud that they perpetrated on the entire world just ensures that it will happen again when the helicopter QE cash from the Fed stops shocking the markets back to life like an insane defibrillator.

Obamacare was simply a big fat stimulus and bailout for the insurance industry, so anything less than universal single payer is exactly what we always had and always will have without it: a complete waste of money and a huge scam to fatten the insurance company dividends.

Strengthening our image abroad doesn't mean letting every country in the world dump all of their exports for free here while slapping our imports with fat tariffs to protect themselves. The only image that was improved was our reputation as rich suckers who paid twice as much for half the product.

Your foolish insistence on proclaiming how great he was with the deficits completely misses the point. Deficits and the debt only serve to scam the rest of us into believing that the USA is broke and can't afford to pay for anything better than Obamacare or actual welfare and minimum wage programs. But somehow we are able to always find an extra couple trillion to throw at the pentagon or Wall St whenever they want. Obama perpetuated the lie and the scam that the USA is like a household or business that has to go out and earn or borrow money. It doesn't. It is the only one who can issue US dollars, and the only function that taxes serve is to make everyone hold and use US dollars to settle the tax bill because that's the only thing the IRS will take. Taxes only give the dollar its necessity and value. The only real constraint on the generation of US dollars is how much productive capacity the economy has and can handle. He deliberately chose to let Main St. starve and go homeless while Wall St. got bonuses and bailouts. And taking our couple of wars he started with and then turning them into 7 while completely obliterating Libya and letting ISIS run riot over Iraq and Syria couldn't be any better for the pentagon, but worse for the world and especially the ME. So our standing was crap, and no amount of charm and eloquence by our dapper Obama was going to fix that.

And to actually point to all the fabricated and concocted scandals born of all the media and Dem lies and crimes of Russiagate as some sort of proof of his being a bad POTUS just proves my point. The only catastrophe and scandal is how an outgoing administration can make Nixon and Watergate look like a cub scout rally by sending the FBI and IC to spy on the opponent's campaign and then use that as a pretext to cripple the administration and attempt to bring it down with a bogus witch hunt. Pointing to the scandals and fiascoes that were a direct result of Obama and the Dems' lies and crimes doesn't prove Trump is a catastrophe, it proves that my point that the Dems and media have been after Trump since before he was even elected, and he never stood a chance. But they still failed to take him down, and he still managed to keep a great economy and stock market. Only the complete lockdown of the country was able to ruin it, and there was never any question of what road the Dem mayors and governors were going to take, was there? Never mind the fact that we caused for more damage with the shutdowns than we could ever fear to pay in actual lives lost, that good economy had to go so Trump could be defeated in November.

Spreading vicious lies and staging a phony coup to take down the POTUS is one thing, but to put the Dem goals of ruining Trump's economy ahead of our welfare as a country really sealed the deal. The Dems aren't just a political problem, they are a clear and present danger and nothing less than a domestic enemy. And with the double whammy of riots and pissing all over our history and spitting in the faces of every American telling them how evil they are, the question then becomes: why would we want to vote for a bunch of crooks like the Dems who not only threw our economy under the bus to take down Trump, they tell us how evil we all are and how much they are going to wreck what we spent centuries trying to build. No sale.

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Robert Harvilla's avatar

Typical TDS afflicted: gets demolished parroting their DNC talking points and is left with nothing but snark and ad hom. Every biased and blatantly false thing you say just drives more and more impartial and undecided voters away every day. Keep it up, you're doing great.

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