In a parting gesture of defiance, the FBI releases a long-awaited document, blotting most of it out. Journalist Aaron Maté explains why the Bureau's FOIA follies matter
Learning that Russiagate was nothing more than Clinton oppo research laundered through legacy media and our national security apparatus, and watching Democrats and their "journalist" handmaidens insist that Trump subverted the 2016 election with Russian help but our electoral process miraculously regained its virginal purity in 2020.
My Democratic friends still believe the Russiagate story. Once you've implanted an idea like that, it's almost impossible to eradicate. This has to be one of the pillars of propaganda.
Yup, a crackpot conspiracy theory so wacky, it would have gotten you laughed out of The John Birch Society in 1962 remains an unquestionable article of faith for millions, and for many people of influence and authority.
keep in mind that many are lying. they know they were wrong about some things and now just can't admit it. it's not a defense of them. it may make them even worse.
totally devoid of humility. zero.
they babble incessantly about empathy, but seem to have never experienced a moment of humility.
Mueller was unable to find connection to Russian government. Doesn't mean was never any connection.
Mar 2019 Mueller knew Manafort sent internal polling & campaign strategy to Konstantin Kilimnim. Mueller said Kilimnik merely 'had ties to Russian Intelligence ' and didn't know what he did with data. No connection to Russian government no collusion right?
Aug 2020 Senate Intelligence Report Vol 5 stated Kilimnik was actually Russian Intelligence.
Apr 2021 US Treasury assessed Kilimnik gave internal polling & campaign strategy to Russian Intelligence.
That's the connection to Russian government Mueller missed.
Feb 2021 FBI added $250K reward to warrant for Kilimnik.
Apr US Treasury sanctioned Kilimnik for new charges in 2020 election and included his history from 2016 in assessment.
Oct 2021 FBI raided 2 of Oleg Deripaska's homes in US.
If Trump re-elected in 2020 Mueller would've reopened.
Trump did collude with Russia and it's a long way from any crackpot theory. FBI had Trump dead to rights from gate. Never innocent target for any biased deep state. MAGA chose wrong side of USA vs Trump.
Elected a Russian asset who's debt Putin is calling in during this his final term.
Yes. No Hillary wasn't involved. She never saw Steele's dossier, and even if she had seen it she wouldnt be involved.
Jun 3 2016 email to Don Jr from Rob Goldstone notified of RusGov intent to help Trump by providing damaging material on Hillary, and set up Trump Tower mtg with Russian government lawyer. That email was ordered by Aras Agarlarov father ofGoldstone client Ermin Agarlarov. Aras oligarch friend of Putin who funded Miss Universe Moscow. Putin was no show and sent handwritten note to Trump in NY via Aras.Trump knows Aras as Putins personal messenger. Goldstone urged Jr call Ermin which he did twice but can't recall convo. Set up mtg at Trump Tower Jun 9, DCLeaks online Jun 8, Assange said expect dirt on Hillary Jun 12, Guccifer 2.0 online/1st leak Jun 15, Jun 17 Assange encrypted 88gig torrent WIKILEAKS INSURANCE 2016-06-03.
"Putin was no show and sent handwritten note to Trump in NY via Aras." - so we are to believe Putin was supposed to be at the TT meeting? are you high?
Yep. I have lots of friends who believe he was working directly for Putin. No amount of showing them how it has all been debunked helps. It’s actually an interesting phenomenon, cuz these aren’t dumb people.
My dog isn't "dumb" either, but he can still easily be fooled with a fake ball throw. Just because your friends are potty trained and can feed themselves, don't mistake that for being smart.
It’s very difficult for people to admit they’ve been so horribly wrong. You have to be mature and secure in yourself in order to admit when you’re wrong. Leftists have a difficult time with that. So they deliberately stay cognitively dissonant, easier than being so far off course with the truth.
This is why I like Sasha Stone. She was a full-on progressive and finally saw through it all, and refers back to how they do it through projection and lies and deception, creating perfect propaganda through censorship. And millions fall for it.
Here's some deadly facts you can check. Names and dates are included
March 2019 Mueller knew Manafort sent internal polling data & campaign strategy to Konstantin Kilimnik. Mueller said Kilimnik merely 'had ties to Russian Intelligence', and didn't know what Kilimnik did with data from Manafort.
No connection to Rus Gov no collusion right?
Aug 2020 Senate Intelligence Report Vol 5 stated Kilimnik was actually Russian Intelligence.
Apr 15 2021 US Treasury assessed Kilimnik gave internal polling & campaign strategy to Russian Intelligence.
That's the connection Mueller unable to find proving coordination/conspiracy/collusion with Russian Gov.
Feb 2021 FBI added $250K to warrant for Kilimnik.
Oct 2021 FBI raided 2 homes belonging to Oleg Deripaska.
If Trump re-elected in 2020 Mueller would've reopened. *
*last comment only educated guess but feel free to check any and every fact I've listed
All that the presentation of evidence, facts and logic does is cause true believers to keep on doubling down.
Further, contrary to popular belief, the intelligent and educated are in fact more prone to cognitive dissonance, becaue they are better at symbol manipulation to reach a desired outcome.
March 2019 Mueller knew Manafort sent internal polling data & campaign strategy to Konstantin Kilimnik. Mueller said Kilimnik merely 'had ties to Russian Intelligence', and didn't know what Kilimnik did with data from Manafort.
No connection to Rus Gov no collusion right?
Aug 2020 Senate Intelligence Report Vol 5 stated Kilimnik was actually Russian Intelligence.
Apr 15 2021 US Treasury assessed Kilimnik gave internal polling & campaign strategy to Russian Intelligence.
That's the connection Mueller unable to find proving coordination/conspiracy/collusion with Russian Gov.
Feb 2021 FBI added $250K to warrant for Kilimnik.
Oct 2021 FBI raided 2 homes belonging to Oleg Deripaska.
Definitely not wrong about Trump Russian Collusion.
FBI had Trump dead to rights from gate.
March 2019 Mueller knew Manafort sent internal polling data & campaign strategy to Konstantin Kilimnik. Mueller said Kilimnik merely 'had ties to Russian Intelligence', and didn't know what Kilimnik did with data from Manafort.
No connection to Rus Gov no collusion right?
Aug 2020 Senate Intelligence Report Vol 5 stated Kilimnik was actually Russian Intelligence.
Apr 15 2021 US Treasury assessed Kilimnik gave internal polling & campaign strategy to Russian Intelligence.
That's the connection Mueller unable to find proving coordination/conspiracy/collusion with Russian Gov.
Feb 2021 FBI added $250K to warrant for Kilimnik.
Oct 2021 FBI raided 2 homes belonging to Oleg Deripaska.
In Jun 3 2016 email to Don Jr from Rob Goldstone mgr of Ermin Agarlarov son of Aras Agarlarov an oligarch friend of Putin. Aras ordered Trump's notification of RusGov support & intention to help by providing damaging material on Hillary.
Five day email chain Jun 3-8 2016 also set up Jun 9 at Trump Tower w/RusGov lawyer.
Aras once delivered a handwritten note from Putin to Trump in NY. Trump knows him as Putin's personal messenger.
Is it really 100% certain that Russiagate was all a hoax? Have all the bases covered?
March 2019 Mueller knew Manafort sent internal polling data & campaign strategy to Konstantin Kilimnik. Mueller said Kilimnik merely 'had ties to Russian Intelligence', and didn't know what Kilimnik did with data from Manafort.
No connection to Rus Gov no collusion right?
Aug 2020 Senate Intelligence Report Vol 5 stated Kilimnik was actually Russian Intelligence.
Apr 15 2021 US Treasury assessed Kilimnik gave internal polling & campaign strategy to Russian Intelligence.
That's the connection Mueller unable to find proving coordination/conspiracy/collusion with Russian Gov.
Feb 2021 FBI added $250K to warrant for Kilimnik.
Oct 2021 FBI raided 2 homes belonging to Oleg Deripaska.
I keep asking why, and at least three people in Washington pretend they have some inside knowledge. The most concrete one said that Putin was bragging about it in the Russian media.
This is public knowledge available to all in everlasting perpetuity.
March 2019 Mueller knew Manafort sent internal polling data & campaign strategy to Konstantin Kilimnik. Mueller said Kilimnik merely 'had ties to Russian Intelligence', and didn't know what Kilimnik did with data from Manafort.
No connection to Rus Gov no collusion right?
Aug 2020 Senate Intelligence Report Vol 5 stated Kilimnik was actually Russian Intelligence.
Apr 15 2021 US Treasury assessed Kilimnik gave internal polling & campaign strategy to Russian Intelligence.
That's the connection Mueller unable to find proving coordination/conspiracy/collusion with Russian Gov.
Feb 2021 FBI added $250K to warrant for Kilimnik.
Oct 2021 FBI raided 2 homes belonging to Oleg Deripaska.
But is there any reason why, with ample evidence, it should be impossible to eradicate? It doesn't escape my attention that hypocritically, the people who accuse others of doing something or a particular behavior are the people who engage in it the most. It still baffles me that it isn't enough to change people's minds with all the evidence to the contrary, the Mueller report, the Twitter Files, and the information still coming out from FOIA requests from independent journalists. I mean, it's not as if they're saying Trump is a habitual liar, a philanderer, a narcissist, or a boorish blowhard that's more or less full of shit all the time. I even believe those things because there's also ample evidence for them. What they're asserting is damn near impossible to pull off, and it has a mountain of evidence contrary to the claim. This is why I hold the opinion that A) people should not be so quick to profess fealty to one political party/side vs. another and that B) Democrats, by and large, are too quick to lend credence to elite narratives and are more gullible than their Republican/conservative counterparts.
Might have something to do with MSNBC and CNN still peddling “news” in which the subtext is “we know Trump was working for the Russians but covered up his tracks too well.” If Maddow and her MSM cronies ever referred to Russiagate as the giant hoax that it was, not only would people stop treating it as true but it would reveal the MSM as participating in a conspiracy to hide an inconvenient truth that would reveal the MSM itself as propaganda pushers rather than journalists that actually are more interested in facts and uncovering conspiracies than participating in them.
"Might have something to do with MSNBC and CNN still peddling “news” in which the subtext is “we know Trump was working for the Russians but covered up his tracks too well.” "
This is known as an argument from ignorance. Just because we have no evidence that Trump is not Mickey Mouse just means we need to keep looking until we find some.
In the meantime, we can safely assume that Trump has round black ears and also a tail.
March 2019 Mueller knew Manafort sent internal polling data & campaign strategy to Konstantin Kilimnik. Mueller said Kilimnik merely 'had ties to Russian Intelligence', and didn't know what Kilimnik did with data from Manafort.
No connection to Rus Gov no collusion right?
Aug 2020 Senate Intelligence Report Vol 5 stated Kilimnik was actually Russian Intelligence.
Apr 15 2021 US Treasury assessed Kilimnik gave internal polling & campaign strategy to Russian Intelligence.
That's the connection Mueller unable to find proving coordination/conspiracy/collusion with Russian Gov.
Feb 2021 FBI added $250K to warrant for Kilimnik.
Oct 2021 FBI raided 2 homes belonging to Oleg Deripaska.
The FBI mishandled the Steele Dossier, but Russian involvement in the 2016 election helping Trump remains true. The Senate Intelligence Committee issued a report in August 2020 detailing the Russian involvement in the campaign, and Trump's campaign manager, who earlier helped Russia elect a compliant President in the Ukraine, confessed to colluding with Russia in the Trump campaign.
Nov 12 2016 Konstantin Rykov bragged on FB he helped Trump win by targeting likely supporters. Targeted with internal polling from Manafort->Kilimnik->Russian Intelligence->Rykov.
Mueller said operation was 2 prong.
1 Demoralize Dems w/embarrassing leaks
2. Rally support online for Trump
The very first patriotic MAGA memes ever circulated on FB & Twitter were created by anti American Russian trolls Konstantin Rykov & partner Artem Klyushin.
Aras Agarlarov oligarch friend of Putin who funded 2013 Miss Universe Moscow introduced Trump to the pair in 2013.
They both spread disinfo in Ukraine 2014. Jan 2015 Artem's wife announced Trump presidential run on Twitter six months before Trump.
March 2019 Mueller knew Manafort sent internal polling data & campaign strategy to Konstantin Kilimnik. Mueller said Kilimnik merely 'had ties to Russian Intelligence', and didn't know what Kilimnik did with data from Manafort.
No connection to Rus Gov no collusion right?
Aug 2020 Senate Intelligence Report Vol 5 stated Kilimnik was actually Russian Intelligence.
Apr 15 2021 US Treasury assessed Kilimnik gave internal polling & campaign strategy to Russian Intelligence.
That's the connection Mueller unable to find proving coordination/conspiracy/collusion with Russian Gov.
Feb 2021 FBI added $250K to warrant for Kilimnik.
Oct 2021 FBI raided 2 homes belonging to Oleg Deripaska.
Nothing listed here is sourced from any media agency.
March 2019 Mueller knew Manafort sent internal polling data & campaign strategy to Konstantin Kilimnik. Mueller said Kilimnik merely 'had ties to Russian Intelligence', and didn't know what Kilimnik did with data from Manafort.
No connection to Rus Gov no collusion right?
Aug 2020 Senate Intelligence Report Vol 5 stated Kilimnik was actually Russian Intelligence.
Apr 15 2021 US Treasury assessed Kilimnik gave internal polling & campaign strategy to Russian Intelligence.
That's the connection Mueller unable to find proving coordination/conspiracy/collusion with Russian Gov.
Feb 2021 FBI added $250K to warrant for Kilimnik.
Oct 2021 FBI raided 2 homes belonging to Oleg Deripaska.
It's human nature. Implant an idea early enough — religious beliefs, or any number of old wives' tales, or the idea that eating saturated fat will clog your arteries, for example — and even solid evidence will seldom change people's minds. Even in hard science fields like physics, there was the cliché that "science advances one funeral at a time."
Yeah, I understand how it happens, but I've never been like that, so it's difficult for me to wrap my head around. I grew up in a home that was unabashedly racist and anti-gay, yet I attended the first ever "Dyke March" (their words, not mine) in 1993 as a junior or senior (time makes things blurry) in high school. I'm former USMC infantry, that served honorably and in combat, and I was vehement in my opposition to GW Bush and the Patriot Act, among other things. I've always been willing to be convinced by evidence, particularly strong, irrefutable evidence, so this type of behavior simply does not compute for me.
Need to see solid evidence disproving these facts and ill be quiet.
March 2019 Mueller knew Manafort sent internal polling data & campaign strategy to Konstantin Kilimnik. Mueller said Kilimnik merely 'had ties to Russian Intelligence', and didn't know what Kilimnik did with data from Manafort.
No connection to Rus Gov no collusion right?
Aug 2020 Senate Intelligence Report Vol 5 stated Kilimnik was actually Russian Intelligence.
Apr 15 2021 US Treasury assessed Kilimnik gave internal polling & campaign strategy to Russian Intelligence.
That's the connection Mueller unable to find proving coordination/conspiracy/collusion with Russian Gov.
Feb 2021 FBI added $250K to warrant for Kilimnik.
Oct 2021 FBI raided 2 homes belonging to Oleg Deripaska.
I agree with everything you said with the exception of the line, 'Democrats, by and large, are too quick to lend credence to elite narratives and are more gullible than their Republican/conservative counterparts.', it should read 'Democrats, by and large, are NO quicker to lend credence to narratives THEIR ELITES, OR more gullible than their Republican/conservative counterparts.', BOTH sides accept the bullshit spewed by their Pied Pipers. Think about some of the whacky shit both sides have accepted as truths.
Fair enough, and if I push the point, it's like splitting hairs. Your point is well taken, but... (you knew there had to be one :-D) I think the wackiest of all them is the denial of chromosomes and what they mean and how they influence the human genome. Denial of that takes the cake for me, and that's clearly and predominantly coming from one side.
Why I left the left specifically as my family has been victimized by this horror on children. Dems? Done in my book forever. No amount of punishment is enough.
As far as that goes, I don't think any of them think the biology, i.e., sex is the issue it's the gender, i.e., how trans people identify which I personally have no problem with. You do you. Where I think they are wrong is minors being allowed to make a decision regarding a physical, non-reversable decision, I know one trans person and have a couple of relatives by marriage, that are gay, none have asked, demanded that I have a sex change operation or become gay, so in either case, it really doesn't affect me. You do you!
No individual trans person has ever "shoved their ideology down my throat". I know a handful and they are all sweet and gentle humans. I wish them no harm, and no one I know does, either. In fact, they are not invested in the controversy of trans and are often embarrassed by it.
No ma'am, it is the AMPLIFICATION of the most obnoxious of trans voices, the calls for physical violence ("kill all TERFs"), the constant demands re: pronouns that force everyone to agree to unreality, and the abominable changes to Title IX that leave women (biological women) disempowered and unsafe - that is what we are fighting against.
"You do you" is fine; it is in fact perfect.
But when it turns into "you do MY DEMANDS of you" (and it has, we all see it), then it is societally violative, and evil.
Bunk. While a certain amount of gaslighting happens on the Right, in this era (2015-now), the vast majority of the imposition of bogus elite narratives on a gullible public have come from the Left, specifically from what David Samuels has termed the "Obama Unreality Machine." Both-sidesism doesn't fly in this case.
Nope. ON THE BELL CURVE - lefties are personally, emotionally attached to their TDS narratives. A conservative can - indeed, will - be swayed by informational persuasion, whereas no amount of facts will uncouple a habitual democrat from their "trump is a russian asset" narrative.
Caveat: the lefties who DO allow themselves to be persuaded by facts, usually become disgusted by the sheer proliferation of lies to which they've been subjected (you can't unsee it!), and either become outgrouped/politically homeless by their leftie peers, or willingly switch affiliations. Witness: Matt Taibbi, Glenn Greenwald, Joe Rogan, RFKjr, Tulsi, ... and me.
In the sickening year just passed the most upsetting thing to me was the lockstep denunciation of RFK, Jr, by all of his siblings who said anything at all about their brother's endorsement of Trump. It's the triumph of the evil idea that the personal is political, which is what free people have always seen as the essence of the totalitarian state of mind.
That can hardly be true. If it were true, people would appropriately vote for third parties to the point of the Dems and Repubs losing. People know where the truth predominates and act accordingly...even in 2020, but the will of the people was confounded by the lying, cheating Dems whereas the Repubs were ripped off. And "the people" believe that and believed the case Trump and his surrogates made for it. Hence, too big to rig.
We both know that doesn't work, the system is set up so the people get to decide which of the two faces of the uniparty you get to vote for, they don't care who gets to vote, as long as they get to decide who gets to run, look at the last election, you elected the first woman president, Miriam Edelson. This was just like the Nuland phone call that was intercepted, where she stated who was going to run the government of Ukraine.
It’s a major emotional immaturity and psychological manipulation—denial. The same traits of addicts and alcoholics. They know they have a problem but delude themselves to think they can control it or it’s not really as it appears. Once they realize they have no control and everything they thought is bullshit will they seek the truth and start believing what’s real. Until they stop believing their own thoughts will they ever mature. Self deception.
Baffling is the right word. Also baffling: the left's response to all this is too often, " oh, we better give the chief executive more power to regulate it or thwart it entirely."
These same people don't seem to process that are giving more monarchical type power to Trump, the very moster they fear.
I have made this point dozens of times farther left friends, and it just doesn't get through.
Oh, it's possible to change people's minds. That's how Trump won the election. It's not possible to change the minds of those intellectually neutered simpletons who have bought the party line because of propaganda they WANTED to believe. It irks me that these dishonest, self-righteous people exist in such great numbers and that they huddle together and give each other warmth, sustenance and credibility.
Yeah, it's possible, and some minds have been changed, and that *might* be what won this election, but it's not clear to me that's the case. The popular vote increase for Trump from 20 to 24 was less than 3 million. So, it's likely that the economy and the state of affairs changed peoples' minds, not the rhetoric from the politician, but it's impossible to make that statement definitively. What statement I can make definitively is that the voter turnout increase in 8 years between the Democrat victories of BO in 2012 and JB in 2020 is 15.3 million. We're just supposed to believe that Joe Biden inspired such hope and faith in Americans that he was able to exceed Barack Obama's popularity and support. I'm not buying that. In fact, I think that anyone that buys that is engaging in willful ignorance. This curious spike in 2020 only seems to be explained in a flaccid and rudimentary way in saying that the reason is because of Covid and "mail in ballots". I don't think we'll ever know the truth of how many people actually voted for Biden in 2020, because the data and assertions to his benefit and detriment exist in spades and it would take a team of people a couple years doing dedicated research to come up with the true answer, which would be a moot point anyway, because as we know, people are going to believe what they want to believe despite any amount of evidence to the contrary. That in and of itself is a religious practice.
its a relgious belief. they believe it because they want to. you cannot talk them out of it. but their false connection to reality is dangerous to the rest of us. IMO we need a way to separate them from our lives and limit the damage of their beliefs to their own heads.
Luckily, reality is inescapable. The reality of the ankle deep excrement and used needles and violent crime and disease and open air drug use is inescapable. Eventually everyone will move from these places, or these places will be forced to change. Detroit is a great example. The only question is how much carnage will people that can force change allow before reality kicks into gear and takes over.
Oh, I don't, but my assertion that reality is inescapable and it's a matter of when, not if, it imposes its unstoppable truth on people that shove it aside. Examples:
#defund - The fantasy world that BLM and other pie in the sky activists created was that cops create crime and cops are the primary source of unwarranted and unjustified death of minorities. Reality showed that when police presence receded, not only did the murder rate by and among minorities skyrocket, but the communities demanded MORE police presence.
Election- Fantasy-centric activists, networks, pundits, etc. parrotted endlessly that polls either had Kamala neck in neck or winning the ENTIRE time. The only one that consistently showed Trump ahead was Rasmussen IIRC. Reality: He was ahead the entire time.
And I could go on almost endlessly with examples of the shit that tries to get pulled, primarily by Democrats, that doesn't jive with reality and eventually is exposed as wishful thinking, fantasy, propaganda, gaslighting, outright lying, etc. Now, does this mean that I'm a hardcore conservative? Nope, because if you live long enough, you learn that this tactic is tossed across the net like a tennis ball from one party to another. In the late 90s and early 2000s, it was conservatives. Since 2012 or so, it has been the Democrats that have dominated the "conjuring alternative reality" business.
This one is tricky. I've never been religious, or believed in a deity-based system, but I don't think I need to, and I don't think anyone else needs to. Policy doesn't rely on religion, neither does reality. Reality intersects religion in that people that live and breathe in reality profess that they have faith that it is true, but they simply cannot prove it. Nothing about government policy would be perpetually propped up with "faith". People want results. Either a political entity can produce measurable results in real time on the ground- i.e. in reality, or they cannot.
Religion, by comparison, only promises results after death. In this primary and very important way, they are completely different. But the real answer to the question that I *think* your asking is about my own perspective. And that is yes, I do think that religious beliefs foster false connections to reality, but I'd go a bit further in the distinction. They foster false connections to reality that can never be manifested in reality because the beliefs are also chronological. It's not what happens now, it what happens later. What happens now that determines what happens later is the faith in the proclamation of holy books about what happens later. And as we know, this is a double-edged sword. Some people take these books and turn their lessons into benevolent acts for the benefit of mankind. Then there's the other side of the spectrum.
Respectfully disagree. On so many points. I would love to refute your points, but it seems that you would be hard to convince otherwise. Not throwing shade at you as I’ll bet you are a great person with strong concept of right vs. wrong. Just ask yourself where you learned how to act in society… odd are you “absorbed” your concepts of right vs. wrong from someone that was spiritual. “ I don’t think anyone else needs to..” many folks have needs that expand way past our immediate thought. Policy established by the founding fathers was certainly formed by their belief in a higher power. Our basic rights were formulated in religious concepts. Just saying.
Need ample evidence to eradicate this ample evidence.
Note: evidence is ample & easy to find when it actually happened.
March 2019 Mueller knew Manafort sent internal polling data & campaign strategy to Konstantin Kilimnik. Mueller said Kilimnik merely 'had ties to Russian Intelligence', and didn't know what Kilimnik did with data from Manafort.
No connection to Rus Gov no collusion right?
Aug 2020 Senate Intelligence Report Vol 5 stated Kilimnik was actually Russian Intelligence.
Apr 15 2021 US Treasury assessed Kilimnik gave internal polling & campaign strategy to Russian Intelligence.
That's the connection Mueller unable to find proving coordination/conspiracy/collusion with Russian Gov.
Feb 2021 FBI added $250K to warrant for Kilimnik.
Oct 2021 FBI raided 2 homes belonging to Oleg Deripaska.
This is so true it hurts. I live in the Bay area SF and its just a unfalsifiable belief Trump worked with the russians to get elected. I don't even talk to my liberal friends about it any more because its a foundational belief I suspect even they don't believe but are too afraid to backtrack and see this for the STASI tactics it was. The FBI has no one else to blame if the department gets gutted and turned into a side office for the FDA to police suspect pork products from Mexico.
"was Russiagate real or no? should be an easy, instant 'no.'"
and then the hemming and hawing begins. these are otherwise decent, intelligent, friendly people. politics makes cool people into despicable assholes.
this propaganda achievement almost rivals the way the establishment got tens of millions of working class people to fight for their right to not be disturbed and oppose the greatest threat to their status quo by supporting KHarris.
damn. are they aware Mueller did not indict? or are they in the subset of really f'd up lefty kooks who, upon hearing there was no indictment, replied, "SEE!! I KNEW IT!!! TOLDYA!! HE'S GUILTY OF COLLUDING WITH PUTIN!"
it's a brick wall of delusion that tens of millions of our fellow citizens have, or play along with. that's the other thing. you have to wonder how many of these same people really believe what they claim or just can't admit otherwise. that's sad.
then there's the jerkoffs who will do ANYTHING to oppose "the other side," including pretending to be A-OK with...it's my favorite way to say it....SEX CHANGE OPERATIONS ON CHILDREN.
they will back SEX CHANGE OPERATIONS ON CHILDREN if it opposes "the other side."
As a person from a blue dog democratic family from VA, I know my parents would NOT have bought into this crap. I think they would have been one to say the Democratic Party left me
Most people I think, or, at least most of my friends, don't follow the news that closely. They just have NPR on in the background most of the time and that's what they know.
Ditto, and if you try and swat down one little factoid they have clung to they have 20 more to bring up they probably got from Madow 5 years ago and it is just too tiring to "fact check" them all.
The only reponses I get from my lefty "friends" is, "but Trump this and Trump that. It's exhausting. Recently I was accused of being delusional because I support Trump. I laughed and responded, me and everyone who voted for him. We are also garbage, deplorables, Nazi's and fascists. Anything else you want to add? No response.
all they have is adjectives, vague phrases open to wide interpretation, and junior pyschologist mindreading. "no, you're a racist because you **really mean** blah blah blah."
Any suggestions out there on how to deal with your children that voted for Kamala because Trump Is mean? No one has been disowned but it really baffles me that they could be this ignorant
There were undoubtedly Nazis that went to their death idolizing Hitler too. Same process, same result. A certain type of mind is susceptible to such control and, unfortunately, millions have settled in the Democrat party.
Mar 2019 Mueller knew Manafort sent internal polling data & campaign strategy to Konstantin Kilimnik but didn't know what Kilimik did with it, and found no connection to Russian government.
Manafort admitted Oct 2022 he sent Kilimnik internal polling & campaign strategy.
Aug 2020 Senate Intelligence Report Vol 5 states that Konstantin Kilimnik is a Russian agent
Apr 15 2021 US Treasury Press Release assessed Kilimnik gave internal polling & campaign strategy to Russian Intelligence.
That's the connection to Russian government Mueller was unable to find and it proves Trump colluded. Check everything I've provided names and dates.
The FBI mishandled the Steele Dossier, but Russian involvement in the 2016 election helping Trump remains true. The Senate Intelligence Committee issued a report in August 2020 detailing the Russian involvement in the campaign, and Trump's campaign manager, who earlier helped Russia elect a compliant President in the Ukraine, confessed to colluding with Russia in the Trump campaign.
Pretty simple. It was marketing. He was bragging about how his work improved Trump’s poll numbers. He was always looking for more work from Ukraine. Lucrative.
01/07/25: Will Kash Patel be able to physically find the original unredacted report, or has it already be destroyed by the rats at the FBI about to run down the gangplank ropes?
Trump is guilty of ten million felonies and is going to completely destroy all pretense of American democracy and decency. If you defend Trump in any fashion you are a traitor.
"Ten million felonies" she says so easily and uncritically, as though an exaggeration of this magnitude is perfectly acceptable and substantiative as an argument.
Your entire worldview is fictional, Karen. Good luck out there. Hopefully your head does not explode.
Energy independence, mitigation of regulations and Government spending, smaller government, comprehensive immigration and border security, job creation thru effective negotiations and requirements on foreign trade. Just a few. All that normal people need.
I'm calling BS on user Karen. That account (including the apt "Karen" handle) has to be the ultimate in satire ... right?? The parroting of absurdly exaggerated, uber-extreme fact-resistant Left/Progressive talking points; the belief that Left/Progressive dogma must be accepted as fact/truth by all and anyone who dissents or questions is irredeemably evil; and the shrill dismissive, condescending replies -- all without observable brain-wave activity -- add up to a laughably ridiculous caricature of a 'Karen' .... Can't be real
Can we ask you to go bother someone else? I mean, you know you are pissing in the wind with most of us. Sorry, “ pissing in the wind is kind of a dude thing, but knowing you, you might just manage it.
Surely the same media that you believe about Trump’s crimes, would never risk your health and safety to dole out a few bucks to bureaucrats and Pharma.
Haha, I will. Right from the well that I water all of my own food and animals from, and use to brush my teeth with unfluorinated toothpaste.
I’m your worst nightmare. Have fun wallowing in the brainwashed cesspool of media and government propaganda, then taking all the shrink meds for the anxiety that their lies give you, while you applaud your friends for chemically castrating their children while I propagate and raise America-loving patriots.
Sweet dreams Karen, thanks for letting me set up shop rent free in your brain like it’s a homeless sidewalk camp in a liberal city.
There was so much done to try to tie Epstein to Trump… don’t you think the slanted press and congress would have followed up if true? Do you think he killed himself… or that maybe the government and media lied to you?
Meanwhile, Clinton, Gates, the Prince Andrew, and other darling of the left actually went to the island and abused children… crickets.
So, the media and anyone in a position to persecute Epstein silenced it, murdered the guy, and staged it as a suicide with total media compliance.
Does that not show you a pattern of how these people that you trust cover for monsters? And only the monsters that they/you like.
We would have never heard the end of it, Rachel Maddow would’ve been on pulling her man hair out 24/7 had Trump done ~30 flights to the island like the rest of these goons. But she protects these criminals… why doesn’t that outrage you?
It was always plain on its face what was going on, to me. I wordsmith enough personally to know that "Obama and Trump have been briefed on a dossier" was "The IC doesnt believe this dossier but its biased leadership wants a news hook to put it out there in an embarrassing way"
"I brush my teeth with dog shit, you should, too."
Sums up Russiagate - Trump is Hitler. The 'best minds' tried and still try to get us to put the potty nonsense into our mouths. Why not? Plenty did, and will. The result?
Every single thing rolling around their heads stinks. Obviously. then, now, and into future. Think folks who saw the ka-ka invite for what it was are likely to forget? Maybe not...
All of this was made possible by the Patriot Act. Every word of that odious legislation should be repealed. Or else Trump and his allies should make use of it to go after the Democrats. One of the two must happen.
DING DING DING DING DING! We have a winner! This is why it's the epitome of foolishness to devote one's loyalty to one party or another. They'll eventually switch sides, as they have numerous times before, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Most Americans either have never known this to be true despite the overwhelming evidence for it, or are so incensed by the corruption that they've witnessed over the last 8 years, they're willing to ignore it.
I get where you're coming from, and on certain things they're better, but their efficacy as a party to make positive change in this country is still very much in doubt, for me at least.
I don't know how you define "large majorities," but the Republicans never had more than 53 senators from 2017-2021. The Democrats had a majority (235-200) in the House the final 2 years of Trump's first term. Hence the two impeachments.
Trump did have a majority in borh houses from 2016-2018, 52 Senators to be exactl, and Trump didn't raise so much as a peep about th eso-called "Patriot Act".
And you won't hear him say anything about it, that's the problem with legislation like that, it's very obviously evil and wrong to the opposition, but damned handy and a powerful tool when you are in power so no one will get rid of it, even on the way out as they may need it again.
Trump could have easily dealt with Ryan and McConnell. Tell them that he would veto any tax cut for billionaires, unless he gets what he wants. Ryan and McConnell would marry each other in a same-sex ceremony in which both wear white dresses, if that is what it takes to save a billionaire a nickel in taxes somewhere.
Any Team R holdouts in Congress? Simple. Hold a rally in that Congressman's district. Invite the holdout. He wouldn't dare refuse an invite from a sitting Team R president.
Trump then gives a speech on how you need every last vote to pass your agenda, how you are counting on. Every. Last. Vote.
That congressman will see thosuands of crazed Trump supporters (they will travel to see their hero), shouting themselves hoarse, eyes glazed over like an army of Holy Rollers about to hit the trail.
No, I wish for something else entirely. However, I live in the real world.
Thing is electoral politics is not where the power really lies, but ibnt he Deep State, the permanent bureaucracy, and they are very good at getting their way.
Frankly, there's not much light between both sides of the uniparty, it's just that each side believes THEIR liars are honest. In the end, you will still get it in the end.
Exactly! Whether Schiff parroting "credible evidence" of Russia collusion (and he's starting that sound track again), Pelosi claiming Trump is in mental decline (after protecting a vertible toadstool for years), or Water's call for activists to "get in the faces of Trump supporters /Republicans (while supporting real domestic terrorists alike BLM and Antifa), the purpose was to hamstring the Trump administration and the America First agenda.
Why shouldn't they? There is no electoral consequence: their sheeple will continue reelecting them, the mainstream press not only gives them a pass, it applauds them, and there is no legal consequences for their actions.
The chorus of acrimony may seem silent at the moment but it's just because they are gathering their breath before the onslaught.
Then when the foreign policy elites got the power back, they continued to throw billions into endless wars of oppression in faraway places -- all for the benefit of the military-industrial complex. Well? Americans are fed up. He's back, and we're back, and somebody is gonna pay.
They'll just do what they did from 2016-2020 which was to keep weak, stupid easily manipulated Trump distracted with silly shit or, altnerately, to flatter him.
You say that like it's a bad thing. For folks cashing in big, American VOTERS are the enemy. So, naturally the corrupt are going to do what they can to protect the scam, no.matter.what.
I’m not holding my breath for any of the shitbirds to serve jail time. About all Trump & Co. can do is end their careers and sully their reputations. While it’s highly unlikely anyone goes to the slammer, the big names will postpone the financial hit by grifting on their notoriety with the Dem faithful until they slowly fade away in the public consciousness. But as it all comes out we can take pleasure in knowing they’re losing something forever that they’ll never replace — their power.
Precisely my point. I will stay skeptical of the efficacy of this "new regime" indefinitely, because I don't think it's possible that they can deliver what they've promised. Not even close. You don't end a machine overnight or even in 4 years that's been in production for decades.
Most redactions are said "to protect sources and methods" are in fact done to obscure misconduct, corruption, hide incompetency, idiocy, or malfeasance in my experience (I won't go off on the related subject of anonymous sources). This was idiotic from day one. If I were to guess what McCabe meant by "his own words" was Trump's obvious joke that the Russians (or Chinese) might have the emails Hillary Clinton likely illegally destroyed. Everyone in the crowd laughed at Trump because amongst a large percentage of average people who are constantly having their identities stolen, their accounts hacked etc., it would not be surprising if some foreign entity had our emails, including HRC's which were on a homebrew server to conceal her activities I would guess, including the racket she had with her husband, daughter, and their foundation. So I would say the blotting out is done to protect Comey, McCabe, Struck, Page, and the rest of the crew who used a phony dossier and willing accomplices in the media to perpetrate a fraud on all of us.
I don’t think Trump is or ever has been “in league” with Russia. But, it’s pretty clear that he can’t help but say silly things in public. He has no filter. He has a limited vocabulary. He called Hezbollah “very, very smart” after they attacked Israel 16 months ago. Then, after universal condemnation from Democrats and Republicans, he doubled down on that statement a few weeks later.
Just because Hezbollah is evil doesn’t mean that they are stupid. As a matter of fact Israeli intelligence will readily admit that all of the terrorist organizations keep using ever more clever tactics. 10/7 never would have happened if Hamas had not learned to use clever misdirection tactics. And Israeli intelligence has made mistakes and be fooled more than once. Fortunately as illustrated by the “grim beeper”counter attack Israel all and all is smarter than its adversaries. There is no virtue in pretending that your enemy is dumb and I think that is what Trump was getting at.
I'd not bet on the 'Israelis smarter than its adversaries' theory, they just might have committed to their own demise, they HAD a reasonable reputation prior to openly committing a genocide, but that has shown both them and the US to be hypocritical about democracy and human rights and no better than organized crime organizations.
Good point. Better supplied and funded? Absolutely. Smarter? Meh- 10/7/23 says no. However, I will say to anyone that's been paying attention, since, idk their birth, which for most people that are in this thread and commenting and keep up with these types of things, the Israeli conflict is just the latest in a long, long list.
On the other hand ideology certainly can have a dumbing down effect since it’s not based on rationality. That’s why common sense is once again coming into its own.
Her server had woefully substandard security. Its best defense would've been obscurity which was gone when Hillary accessed it all over the world from her Blackberry. Trump was referring, in his particular style, to the near certainty that Russia and China got everything that was on the server.
One of the most appropriate lines I have read recently is (sorry, can’t remember author), “it’s not the severity of the consequences that have the most impact on behavior, it’s the CERTAINTY of consequences”. We need certainty of consequences again.
"Government is a gang, but not merely as meritorious as a private gang because it claims legal legitimacy. It pillages and uses violence but under the cover of law, and seeks legitimacy not through competition but through the myth of the social contract."
- Jeffrey Tucker
They expanded this into the public square and now we're taking it back. They can't deal and are not prepared for how we will exert our will....because like mobsters they never expected the "shopkeepers" to fight back.
We should express gratitude to individuals like Taibbi, Shellenberger, and other independent journalists who have risked, at the very least, their reputations and faced peer rejection to expose the nefarious forces among us. In the past, we could rely on some mainstream journalists to do this, but not anymore.
It's been clear to me that the story that the investigations started with Papadopoulos was a crock. The Australians involved in setting that BS up got MILLIONS $ from the Clinton Foundation (or CGI, I forget which). This was a Clinton operation from beginning to end. Illegal, election interference and treasonous. Good enough for a Medal of Freedom award.
That can be looked at many ways including that the yarns he was supposedly spinning about Trump were also lies (and they almost certainly were if he actually uttered them) and were a convenient, indeed necessary, excuse to start up BS "investigations". I don't believe the adage, "Follow the money", always works, but I think it does in this (these) case(s). There is Clinton or Clinton "adjacent" $ (Soros $, for instance) associated with every aspect of the lawfare (including the BS Russian "investigation") launched against Trump. Clinton fingerprints are all over everything.
At least back in the day if you were in the FBI and you opened investigations without merit and abused the power and trust of the People, you could count on the press to report on it honestly regardless of how the journalists felt politically. Now the journalists protect the perps and shower them with praise and job offers. Nothing will happen to the people who did this. Look how fast the Biden administration settled all law suits with McCabe and all involved in this, therefore rewarding them for their blatant political weaponization of an important institution. It doesn’t matter if Kash gets the FBI job or not - he will be gone someday and they will go back to being political minions for the democrats. We have them so much power after 9/11. You can’t put the genie back in the bottle.
Is it possible that the FBI went from being in the business of law enforcement to being in the "intelligence" business under Bush II after 9/11? (I seem to remember reading of Bush's bashing the FBI for not providing more CIA type information.) If so, maybe the Trump administration should direct the FBI back to its original charter. Could be a good start toward correcting course.
Course correction? Let’s start with the name of the building where FBI hq is located. If they confront their shit past maybe could prevent a shit future
Well, read about COINTELPRO, and then you will realize they’re just continuing the grand tradition of secret police everywhere.
At least when the FBI office in Pennsylvania was broken into to get the incriminating evidence for the Washington Post (or was it NYT?), the paper didn’t turn them in to the authorities.
That’s back in the day when such newspapers protected their sources, instead of being fed information from the likes of the CIA or FBI.
I continue to think the most obvious explanation for all the post election FBI behavior was an effort to create the ongoing appearance of active investigation in a way designed to inhibit the President from exercising his authority to remove FBI leadership over their pre-election behavior. At least by the time of the Danchenko interview, there was no “real” open investigation and everything is an effort to create the appearance of one.
We’re at a crossroads here, between knowing what we’re told and knowing the truth.
It’s all but certain that the intelligence community killed JFK. If that’s true, the implications for us today are this: Dismantle the FBI, CIA et al, or continue to be governed by secret police, which, historically, become more repressive and more savage the more they’re challenged.
That’s the deal. Live with Savak/Mossad/KGB, or resist, in Malcolm’s words, by any means necessary. Does anyone have a third option to propose?
The advent of AI and the corrupt, nefarious, subversive ways it'll be used will only make your observation more true, and more dangerous into the future.
The investigations about to commence are not about getting answers to the what or why the law enforcement agencies did to Trump and his allies, we already know those answers. The investigations are about proving what we already know, so that we can shame and prosecute those who did it.
Last I checked, POTUS is constitutionally (Art 2, Sec 3) the one to receive foreign ambassadors and ministers. That includes working with foreign leaders/nations of all ilk. If you’ve got concrete evidence of treason, prosecute…otherwise you’re wasting my tax dollars!
"What radicalized you?"
Learning that Russiagate was nothing more than Clinton oppo research laundered through legacy media and our national security apparatus, and watching Democrats and their "journalist" handmaidens insist that Trump subverted the 2016 election with Russian help but our electoral process miraculously regained its virginal purity in 2020.
My Democratic friends still believe the Russiagate story. Once you've implanted an idea like that, it's almost impossible to eradicate. This has to be one of the pillars of propaganda.
Yup, a crackpot conspiracy theory so wacky, it would have gotten you laughed out of The John Birch Society in 1962 remains an unquestionable article of faith for millions, and for many people of influence and authority.
People are so. Fucked. Up.
Right you are. Amazing ain't it
That's an adjective. Not the one I would use, but sure. Amazing. And repugnant. And deflating. And horrifying.
keep in mind that many are lying. they know they were wrong about some things and now just can't admit it. it's not a defense of them. it may make them even worse.
totally devoid of humility. zero.
they babble incessantly about empathy, but seem to have never experienced a moment of humility.
They claimed Eisenhower was a communist. I call it a tie.
No crackpot theory.
Mueller was unable to find connection to Russian government. Doesn't mean was never any connection.
Mar 2019 Mueller knew Manafort sent internal polling & campaign strategy to Konstantin Kilimnim. Mueller said Kilimnik merely 'had ties to Russian Intelligence ' and didn't know what he did with data. No connection to Russian government no collusion right?
Aug 2020 Senate Intelligence Report Vol 5 stated Kilimnik was actually Russian Intelligence.
Apr 2021 US Treasury assessed Kilimnik gave internal polling & campaign strategy to Russian Intelligence.
That's the connection to Russian government Mueller missed.
Feb 2021 FBI added $250K reward to warrant for Kilimnik.
Apr US Treasury sanctioned Kilimnik for new charges in 2020 election and included his history from 2016 in assessment.
Oct 2021 FBI raided 2 of Oleg Deripaska's homes in US.
If Trump re-elected in 2020 Mueller would've reopened.
Trump did collude with Russia and it's a long way from any crackpot theory. FBI had Trump dead to rights from gate. Never innocent target for any biased deep state. MAGA chose wrong side of USA vs Trump.
Elected a Russian asset who's debt Putin is calling in during this his final term.
Mueller report was submitted to the AG on March 22, 2019.
your findings after that date isn't the issue.
can you answer with a yes/no: was the 2016 election Russia collusion story bullshit that came from the hillary campaign?
yes or no?
Yes. No Hillary wasn't involved. She never saw Steele's dossier, and even if she had seen it she wouldnt be involved.
Jun 3 2016 email to Don Jr from Rob Goldstone notified of RusGov intent to help Trump by providing damaging material on Hillary, and set up Trump Tower mtg with Russian government lawyer. That email was ordered by Aras Agarlarov father ofGoldstone client Ermin Agarlarov. Aras oligarch friend of Putin who funded Miss Universe Moscow. Putin was no show and sent handwritten note to Trump in NY via Aras.Trump knows Aras as Putins personal messenger. Goldstone urged Jr call Ermin which he did twice but can't recall convo. Set up mtg at Trump Tower Jun 9, DCLeaks online Jun 8, Assange said expect dirt on Hillary Jun 12, Guccifer 2.0 online/1st leak Jun 15, Jun 17 Assange encrypted 88gig torrent WIKILEAKS INSURANCE 2016-06-03.
and you believe this meeting was legit?
how many bridges do you own?
"Putin was no show and sent handwritten note to Trump in NY via Aras." - so we are to believe Putin was supposed to be at the TT meeting? are you high?
That's an argument from ignorance. Just because we have no evidence doesn't mean that there might be evidence.
There is evidence. The Apr 15 US Treasury press release says Kilimnik gave Trump campaign data to Rus Intelligence. What else do you need?
Ok, he gave publicly available data. Big whoop.
Yep. I have lots of friends who believe he was working directly for Putin. No amount of showing them how it has all been debunked helps. It’s actually an interesting phenomenon, cuz these aren’t dumb people.
My dog isn't "dumb" either, but he can still easily be fooled with a fake ball throw. Just because your friends are potty trained and can feed themselves, don't mistake that for being smart.
The "fake-ball throw" works on most dogs several times, but then...they wise up.
…unlike people.
People have egos.
Now THAT'S funny!!!
It’s very difficult for people to admit they’ve been so horribly wrong. You have to be mature and secure in yourself in order to admit when you’re wrong. Leftists have a difficult time with that. So they deliberately stay cognitively dissonant, easier than being so far off course with the truth.
This is why I like Sasha Stone. She was a full-on progressive and finally saw through it all, and refers back to how they do it through projection and lies and deception, creating perfect propaganda through censorship. And millions fall for it.
Cognitive Dissonance. Exactly.
These people are not 'leftists'. There is no viable 'left' in the USA
A fact to a liberal is like Kryptonite
To Superman.
Here's some deadly facts you can check. Names and dates are included
March 2019 Mueller knew Manafort sent internal polling data & campaign strategy to Konstantin Kilimnik. Mueller said Kilimnik merely 'had ties to Russian Intelligence', and didn't know what Kilimnik did with data from Manafort.
No connection to Rus Gov no collusion right?
Aug 2020 Senate Intelligence Report Vol 5 stated Kilimnik was actually Russian Intelligence.
Apr 15 2021 US Treasury assessed Kilimnik gave internal polling & campaign strategy to Russian Intelligence.
That's the connection Mueller unable to find proving coordination/conspiracy/collusion with Russian Gov.
Feb 2021 FBI added $250K to warrant for Kilimnik.
Oct 2021 FBI raided 2 homes belonging to Oleg Deripaska.
If Trump re-elected in 2020 Mueller would've reopened. *
*last comment only educated guess but feel free to check any and every fact I've listed
the deadliest fact: we are talking about the 2016 election and the bullshit collusion charges.
March 22, 2019 was when the Mueller Report was submitted.
your post 3/22/19 fantasies are irrelevant. you'll have to start an entirely new RuSsIa cOlLuSiOn scandal. good luck.
Mueller wasn't the final word. Evidence has come to light since Mar 2019 that's changed his findings completely.
All that the presentation of evidence, facts and logic does is cause true believers to keep on doubling down.
Further, contrary to popular belief, the intelligent and educated are in fact more prone to cognitive dissonance, becaue they are better at symbol manipulation to reach a desired outcome.
Here's facts to logically consider
March 2019 Mueller knew Manafort sent internal polling data & campaign strategy to Konstantin Kilimnik. Mueller said Kilimnik merely 'had ties to Russian Intelligence', and didn't know what Kilimnik did with data from Manafort.
No connection to Rus Gov no collusion right?
Aug 2020 Senate Intelligence Report Vol 5 stated Kilimnik was actually Russian Intelligence.
Apr 15 2021 US Treasury assessed Kilimnik gave internal polling & campaign strategy to Russian Intelligence.
That's the connection Mueller unable to find proving coordination/conspiracy/collusion with Russian Gov.
Feb 2021 FBI added $250K to warrant for Kilimnik.
Oct 2021 FBI raided 2 homes belonging to Oleg Deripaska.
I addressed your silly conspiracy theory elsewhere.
No you didn't. Disprove any of the facts I've presented. Look up Apr 15 2021 press release yourself then come back.
Thoroughly indoctrinated that the government wouldn't fo this. True believer that government is never wrong.
Definitely not wrong about Trump Russian Collusion.
FBI had Trump dead to rights from gate.
March 2019 Mueller knew Manafort sent internal polling data & campaign strategy to Konstantin Kilimnik. Mueller said Kilimnik merely 'had ties to Russian Intelligence', and didn't know what Kilimnik did with data from Manafort.
No connection to Rus Gov no collusion right?
Aug 2020 Senate Intelligence Report Vol 5 stated Kilimnik was actually Russian Intelligence.
Apr 15 2021 US Treasury assessed Kilimnik gave internal polling & campaign strategy to Russian Intelligence.
That's the connection Mueller unable to find proving coordination/conspiracy/collusion with Russian Gov.
Feb 2021 FBI added $250K to warrant for Kilimnik.
Oct 2021 FBI raided 2 homes belonging to Oleg Deripaska.
Sure about that?
Yes.
In Jun 3 2016 email to Don Jr from Rob Goldstone mgr of Ermin Agarlarov son of Aras Agarlarov an oligarch friend of Putin. Aras ordered Trump's notification of RusGov support & intention to help by providing damaging material on Hillary.
Five day email chain Jun 3-8 2016 also set up Jun 9 at Trump Tower w/RusGov lawyer.
Aras once delivered a handwritten note from Putin to Trump in NY. Trump knows him as Putin's personal messenger.
Is it really 100% certain that Russiagate was all a hoax? Have all the bases covered?
What about Aras Agarlarov?
How does he fit into HillaryObama Russiagate?
Fits in huge part and if can't explain, I can.
Define "dumb people."
They look rather stupid to me.
Maybe not conventionally "dumb", but servile manipulable sheep all!
What kind of sheep will ignore these facts?
March 2019 Mueller knew Manafort sent internal polling data & campaign strategy to Konstantin Kilimnik. Mueller said Kilimnik merely 'had ties to Russian Intelligence', and didn't know what Kilimnik did with data from Manafort.
No connection to Rus Gov no collusion right?
Aug 2020 Senate Intelligence Report Vol 5 stated Kilimnik was actually Russian Intelligence.
Apr 15 2021 US Treasury assessed Kilimnik gave internal polling & campaign strategy to Russian Intelligence.
That's the connection Mueller unable to find proving coordination/conspiracy/collusion with Russian Gov.
Feb 2021 FBI added $250K to warrant for Kilimnik.
Oct 2021 FBI raided 2 homes belonging to Oleg Deripaska.
I keep asking why, and at least three people in Washington pretend they have some inside knowledge. The most concrete one said that Putin was bragging about it in the Russian media.
This is public knowledge available to all in everlasting perpetuity.
March 2019 Mueller knew Manafort sent internal polling data & campaign strategy to Konstantin Kilimnik. Mueller said Kilimnik merely 'had ties to Russian Intelligence', and didn't know what Kilimnik did with data from Manafort.
No connection to Rus Gov no collusion right?
Aug 2020 Senate Intelligence Report Vol 5 stated Kilimnik was actually Russian Intelligence.
Apr 15 2021 US Treasury assessed Kilimnik gave internal polling & campaign strategy to Russian Intelligence.
That's the connection Mueller unable to find proving coordination/conspiracy/collusion with Russian Gov.
Feb 2021 FBI added $250K to warrant for Kilimnik.
Oct 2021 FBI raided 2 homes belonging to Oleg Deripaska.
Well, yes they are….
But is there any reason why, with ample evidence, it should be impossible to eradicate? It doesn't escape my attention that hypocritically, the people who accuse others of doing something or a particular behavior are the people who engage in it the most. It still baffles me that it isn't enough to change people's minds with all the evidence to the contrary, the Mueller report, the Twitter Files, and the information still coming out from FOIA requests from independent journalists. I mean, it's not as if they're saying Trump is a habitual liar, a philanderer, a narcissist, or a boorish blowhard that's more or less full of shit all the time. I even believe those things because there's also ample evidence for them. What they're asserting is damn near impossible to pull off, and it has a mountain of evidence contrary to the claim. This is why I hold the opinion that A) people should not be so quick to profess fealty to one political party/side vs. another and that B) Democrats, by and large, are too quick to lend credence to elite narratives and are more gullible than their Republican/conservative counterparts.
Might have something to do with MSNBC and CNN still peddling “news” in which the subtext is “we know Trump was working for the Russians but covered up his tracks too well.” If Maddow and her MSM cronies ever referred to Russiagate as the giant hoax that it was, not only would people stop treating it as true but it would reveal the MSM as participating in a conspiracy to hide an inconvenient truth that would reveal the MSM itself as propaganda pushers rather than journalists that actually are more interested in facts and uncovering conspiracies than participating in them.
"Might have something to do with MSNBC and CNN still peddling “news” in which the subtext is “we know Trump was working for the Russians but covered up his tracks too well.” "
This is known as an argument from ignorance. Just because we have no evidence that Trump is not Mickey Mouse just means we need to keep looking until we find some.
In the meantime, we can safely assume that Trump has round black ears and also a tail.
Quite fascinating and not at all surprising that you would snap to an idea involving a mouse to make your point, Feral.
It got my attention and I was getting peckish.
Here is evidence.
March 2019 Mueller knew Manafort sent internal polling data & campaign strategy to Konstantin Kilimnik. Mueller said Kilimnik merely 'had ties to Russian Intelligence', and didn't know what Kilimnik did with data from Manafort.
No connection to Rus Gov no collusion right?
Aug 2020 Senate Intelligence Report Vol 5 stated Kilimnik was actually Russian Intelligence.
Apr 15 2021 US Treasury assessed Kilimnik gave internal polling & campaign strategy to Russian Intelligence.
That's the connection Mueller unable to find proving coordination/conspiracy/collusion with Russian Gov.
Feb 2021 FBI added $250K to warrant for Kilimnik.
Oct 2021 FBI raided 2 homes belonging to Oleg Deripaska.
Wow, publicly available polling data. Very scary. Otherwise what you provide is the frantic hunt for evidence, not evidence itself.
When Trump was elected, they had to call the general Kremlin switchboard to speak with someone in Russia. That's how little ties they had.
Get ball, come on boy, fetch..
The FBI mishandled the Steele Dossier, but Russian involvement in the 2016 election helping Trump remains true. The Senate Intelligence Committee issued a report in August 2020 detailing the Russian involvement in the campaign, and Trump's campaign manager, who earlier helped Russia elect a compliant President in the Ukraine, confessed to colluding with Russia in the Trump campaign.
How precisely would sharing polling data be of much help to Russia's interests.
Nov 12 2016 Konstantin Rykov bragged on FB he helped Trump win by targeting likely supporters. Targeted with internal polling from Manafort->Kilimnik->Russian Intelligence->Rykov.
Mueller said operation was 2 prong.
1 Demoralize Dems w/embarrassing leaks
2. Rally support online for Trump
The very first patriotic MAGA memes ever circulated on FB & Twitter were created by anti American Russian trolls Konstantin Rykov & partner Artem Klyushin.
Aras Agarlarov oligarch friend of Putin who funded 2013 Miss Universe Moscow introduced Trump to the pair in 2013.
They both spread disinfo in Ukraine 2014. Jan 2015 Artem's wife announced Trump presidential run on Twitter six months before Trump.
LOL...Go fetch it!
Go fetch what?
You can look it up.
March 2019 Mueller knew Manafort sent internal polling data & campaign strategy to Konstantin Kilimnik. Mueller said Kilimnik merely 'had ties to Russian Intelligence', and didn't know what Kilimnik did with data from Manafort.
No connection to Rus Gov no collusion right?
Aug 2020 Senate Intelligence Report Vol 5 stated Kilimnik was actually Russian Intelligence.
Apr 15 2021 US Treasury assessed Kilimnik gave internal polling & campaign strategy to Russian Intelligence.
That's the connection Mueller unable to find proving coordination/conspiracy/collusion with Russian Gov.
Feb 2021 FBI added $250K to warrant for Kilimnik.
Oct 2021 FBI raided 2 homes belonging to Oleg Deripaska.
"The FBI mishandled the Steele Dossier, but Russian involvement in the 2016 election helping Trump remains true."
LMAO!!!!!
"the sportscaster got the scores wrong, but it was still the weatherman's fault it rained yesterday"
"Trump's campaign manager...confessed to colluding with Russia"
LMAO!!!!
no he didn't. he said things that some jerkoff on TV convinced you was a confession. because you can't admit you were wrong.
it's been testified in court. the entire 2016 collusion bullshit was cooked up by the hillary campaign. what rock do you live under?
Show any proof it was cooked up by Hillary campaign
Steele dossier not used by Mueller. Kilimnik not mentioned in dossier. It's irrelevant.
as if anyone who pays attention doesn't already know all of this.
Nothing listed here is sourced from any media agency.
March 2019 Mueller knew Manafort sent internal polling data & campaign strategy to Konstantin Kilimnik. Mueller said Kilimnik merely 'had ties to Russian Intelligence', and didn't know what Kilimnik did with data from Manafort.
No connection to Rus Gov no collusion right?
Aug 2020 Senate Intelligence Report Vol 5 stated Kilimnik was actually Russian Intelligence.
Apr 15 2021 US Treasury assessed Kilimnik gave internal polling & campaign strategy to Russian Intelligence.
That's the connection Mueller unable to find proving coordination/conspiracy/collusion with Russian Gov.
Feb 2021 FBI added $250K to warrant for Kilimnik.
Oct 2021 FBI raided 2 homes belonging to Oleg Deripaska.
"Nothing listed here is sourced from any media agency."
you better take your independent findings to the authorities ASAP and get this all straightened out.
It's human nature. Implant an idea early enough — religious beliefs, or any number of old wives' tales, or the idea that eating saturated fat will clog your arteries, for example — and even solid evidence will seldom change people's minds. Even in hard science fields like physics, there was the cliché that "science advances one funeral at a time."
Yeah, I understand how it happens, but I've never been like that, so it's difficult for me to wrap my head around. I grew up in a home that was unabashedly racist and anti-gay, yet I attended the first ever "Dyke March" (their words, not mine) in 1993 as a junior or senior (time makes things blurry) in high school. I'm former USMC infantry, that served honorably and in combat, and I was vehement in my opposition to GW Bush and the Patriot Act, among other things. I've always been willing to be convinced by evidence, particularly strong, irrefutable evidence, so this type of behavior simply does not compute for me.
You're an outlier. And minority.
Fan-fucking-tastic. This is the best reply I've ever received.
I’m with you…
Need to see solid evidence disproving these facts and ill be quiet.
March 2019 Mueller knew Manafort sent internal polling data & campaign strategy to Konstantin Kilimnik. Mueller said Kilimnik merely 'had ties to Russian Intelligence', and didn't know what Kilimnik did with data from Manafort.
No connection to Rus Gov no collusion right?
Aug 2020 Senate Intelligence Report Vol 5 stated Kilimnik was actually Russian Intelligence.
Apr 15 2021 US Treasury assessed Kilimnik gave internal polling & campaign strategy to Russian Intelligence.
That's the connection Mueller unable to find proving coordination/conspiracy/collusion with Russian Gov.
Feb 2021 FBI added $250K to warrant for Kilimnik.
Oct 2021 FBI raided 2 homes belonging to Oleg Deripaska.
I agree with everything you said with the exception of the line, 'Democrats, by and large, are too quick to lend credence to elite narratives and are more gullible than their Republican/conservative counterparts.', it should read 'Democrats, by and large, are NO quicker to lend credence to narratives THEIR ELITES, OR more gullible than their Republican/conservative counterparts.', BOTH sides accept the bullshit spewed by their Pied Pipers. Think about some of the whacky shit both sides have accepted as truths.
Fair enough, and if I push the point, it's like splitting hairs. Your point is well taken, but... (you knew there had to be one :-D) I think the wackiest of all them is the denial of chromosomes and what they mean and how they influence the human genome. Denial of that takes the cake for me, and that's clearly and predominantly coming from one side.
Why I left the left specifically as my family has been victimized by this horror on children. Dems? Done in my book forever. No amount of punishment is enough.
They believe in science, you know.
As far as that goes, I don't think any of them think the biology, i.e., sex is the issue it's the gender, i.e., how trans people identify which I personally have no problem with. You do you. Where I think they are wrong is minors being allowed to make a decision regarding a physical, non-reversable decision, I know one trans person and have a couple of relatives by marriage, that are gay, none have asked, demanded that I have a sex change operation or become gay, so in either case, it really doesn't affect me. You do you!
No individual trans person has ever "shoved their ideology down my throat". I know a handful and they are all sweet and gentle humans. I wish them no harm, and no one I know does, either. In fact, they are not invested in the controversy of trans and are often embarrassed by it.
No ma'am, it is the AMPLIFICATION of the most obnoxious of trans voices, the calls for physical violence ("kill all TERFs"), the constant demands re: pronouns that force everyone to agree to unreality, and the abominable changes to Title IX that leave women (biological women) disempowered and unsafe - that is what we are fighting against.
"You do you" is fine; it is in fact perfect.
But when it turns into "you do MY DEMANDS of you" (and it has, we all see it), then it is societally violative, and evil.
Yeah. It’s a particular evil leveled on children. My family knows. Adults can cut their heads off and tuck it under their arm and I don’t care.
It’s mental illness. Saying you do you!——is like telling a suicidal bipolar person, hey, you do you, it’s all good!
Referring to the “gender” business, no doubt.
Indeed.
Bunk. While a certain amount of gaslighting happens on the Right, in this era (2015-now), the vast majority of the imposition of bogus elite narratives on a gullible public have come from the Left, specifically from what David Samuels has termed the "Obama Unreality Machine." Both-sidesism doesn't fly in this case.
Exactly. Thank You! And the Samuels piece is a must-read.
What 'left?'
Nope. ON THE BELL CURVE - lefties are personally, emotionally attached to their TDS narratives. A conservative can - indeed, will - be swayed by informational persuasion, whereas no amount of facts will uncouple a habitual democrat from their "trump is a russian asset" narrative.
Caveat: the lefties who DO allow themselves to be persuaded by facts, usually become disgusted by the sheer proliferation of lies to which they've been subjected (you can't unsee it!), and either become outgrouped/politically homeless by their leftie peers, or willingly switch affiliations. Witness: Matt Taibbi, Glenn Greenwald, Joe Rogan, RFKjr, Tulsi, ... and me.
In the sickening year just passed the most upsetting thing to me was the lockstep denunciation of RFK, Jr, by all of his siblings who said anything at all about their brother's endorsement of Trump. It's the triumph of the evil idea that the personal is political, which is what free people have always seen as the essence of the totalitarian state of mind.
Sasha Stone.
That can hardly be true. If it were true, people would appropriately vote for third parties to the point of the Dems and Repubs losing. People know where the truth predominates and act accordingly...even in 2020, but the will of the people was confounded by the lying, cheating Dems whereas the Repubs were ripped off. And "the people" believe that and believed the case Trump and his surrogates made for it. Hence, too big to rig.
We both know that doesn't work, the system is set up so the people get to decide which of the two faces of the uniparty you get to vote for, they don't care who gets to vote, as long as they get to decide who gets to run, look at the last election, you elected the first woman president, Miriam Edelson. This was just like the Nuland phone call that was intercepted, where she stated who was going to run the government of Ukraine.
It’s a major emotional immaturity and psychological manipulation—denial. The same traits of addicts and alcoholics. They know they have a problem but delude themselves to think they can control it or it’s not really as it appears. Once they realize they have no control and everything they thought is bullshit will they seek the truth and start believing what’s real. Until they stop believing their own thoughts will they ever mature. Self deception.
Baffling is the right word. Also baffling: the left's response to all this is too often, " oh, we better give the chief executive more power to regulate it or thwart it entirely."
These same people don't seem to process that are giving more monarchical type power to Trump, the very moster they fear.
I have made this point dozens of times farther left friends, and it just doesn't get through.
Baffling.
Oh, it's possible to change people's minds. That's how Trump won the election. It's not possible to change the minds of those intellectually neutered simpletons who have bought the party line because of propaganda they WANTED to believe. It irks me that these dishonest, self-righteous people exist in such great numbers and that they huddle together and give each other warmth, sustenance and credibility.
Yeah, it's possible, and some minds have been changed, and that *might* be what won this election, but it's not clear to me that's the case. The popular vote increase for Trump from 20 to 24 was less than 3 million. So, it's likely that the economy and the state of affairs changed peoples' minds, not the rhetoric from the politician, but it's impossible to make that statement definitively. What statement I can make definitively is that the voter turnout increase in 8 years between the Democrat victories of BO in 2012 and JB in 2020 is 15.3 million. We're just supposed to believe that Joe Biden inspired such hope and faith in Americans that he was able to exceed Barack Obama's popularity and support. I'm not buying that. In fact, I think that anyone that buys that is engaging in willful ignorance. This curious spike in 2020 only seems to be explained in a flaccid and rudimentary way in saying that the reason is because of Covid and "mail in ballots". I don't think we'll ever know the truth of how many people actually voted for Biden in 2020, because the data and assertions to his benefit and detriment exist in spades and it would take a team of people a couple years doing dedicated research to come up with the true answer, which would be a moot point anyway, because as we know, people are going to believe what they want to believe despite any amount of evidence to the contrary. That in and of itself is a religious practice.
its a relgious belief. they believe it because they want to. you cannot talk them out of it. but their false connection to reality is dangerous to the rest of us. IMO we need a way to separate them from our lives and limit the damage of their beliefs to their own heads.
Luckily, reality is inescapable. The reality of the ankle deep excrement and used needles and violent crime and disease and open air drug use is inescapable. Eventually everyone will move from these places, or these places will be forced to change. Detroit is a great example. The only question is how much carnage will people that can force change allow before reality kicks into gear and takes over.
Don't understimate the ability of humans to invent elaborate rationalizations to support their preferred narratives.
Oh, I don't, but my assertion that reality is inescapable and it's a matter of when, not if, it imposes its unstoppable truth on people that shove it aside. Examples:
#defund - The fantasy world that BLM and other pie in the sky activists created was that cops create crime and cops are the primary source of unwarranted and unjustified death of minorities. Reality showed that when police presence receded, not only did the murder rate by and among minorities skyrocket, but the communities demanded MORE police presence.
Election- Fantasy-centric activists, networks, pundits, etc. parrotted endlessly that polls either had Kamala neck in neck or winning the ENTIRE time. The only one that consistently showed Trump ahead was Rasmussen IIRC. Reality: He was ahead the entire time.
And I could go on almost endlessly with examples of the shit that tries to get pulled, primarily by Democrats, that doesn't jive with reality and eventually is exposed as wishful thinking, fantasy, propaganda, gaslighting, outright lying, etc. Now, does this mean that I'm a hardcore conservative? Nope, because if you live long enough, you learn that this tactic is tossed across the net like a tennis ball from one party to another. In the late 90s and early 2000s, it was conservatives. Since 2012 or so, it has been the Democrats that have dominated the "conjuring alternative reality" business.
Do religious beliefs foster “ false connections to reality…”? Always?
This one is tricky. I've never been religious, or believed in a deity-based system, but I don't think I need to, and I don't think anyone else needs to. Policy doesn't rely on religion, neither does reality. Reality intersects religion in that people that live and breathe in reality profess that they have faith that it is true, but they simply cannot prove it. Nothing about government policy would be perpetually propped up with "faith". People want results. Either a political entity can produce measurable results in real time on the ground- i.e. in reality, or they cannot.
Religion, by comparison, only promises results after death. In this primary and very important way, they are completely different. But the real answer to the question that I *think* your asking is about my own perspective. And that is yes, I do think that religious beliefs foster false connections to reality, but I'd go a bit further in the distinction. They foster false connections to reality that can never be manifested in reality because the beliefs are also chronological. It's not what happens now, it what happens later. What happens now that determines what happens later is the faith in the proclamation of holy books about what happens later. And as we know, this is a double-edged sword. Some people take these books and turn their lessons into benevolent acts for the benefit of mankind. Then there's the other side of the spectrum.
Respectfully disagree. On so many points. I would love to refute your points, but it seems that you would be hard to convince otherwise. Not throwing shade at you as I’ll bet you are a great person with strong concept of right vs. wrong. Just ask yourself where you learned how to act in society… odd are you “absorbed” your concepts of right vs. wrong from someone that was spiritual. “ I don’t think anyone else needs to..” many folks have needs that expand way past our immediate thought. Policy established by the founding fathers was certainly formed by their belief in a higher power. Our basic rights were formulated in religious concepts. Just saying.
Cognitive dissonance, how does it work?
Need ample evidence to eradicate this ample evidence.
Note: evidence is ample & easy to find when it actually happened.
March 2019 Mueller knew Manafort sent internal polling data & campaign strategy to Konstantin Kilimnik. Mueller said Kilimnik merely 'had ties to Russian Intelligence', and didn't know what Kilimnik did with data from Manafort.
No connection to Rus Gov no collusion right?
Aug 2020 Senate Intelligence Report Vol 5 stated Kilimnik was actually Russian Intelligence.
Apr 15 2021 US Treasury assessed Kilimnik gave internal polling & campaign strategy to Russian Intelligence.
That's the connection Mueller unable to find proving coordination/conspiracy/collusion with Russian Gov.
Feb 2021 FBI added $250K to warrant for Kilimnik.
Oct 2021 FBI raided 2 homes belonging to Oleg Deripaska.
🤣🤣🤣
Yes indeed. Let's hope that in the future, textbooks use the Russiagate fiasco as the perfect example of media-driven repetitive belief generation.
Don’t bet on it
This is so true it hurts. I live in the Bay area SF and its just a unfalsifiable belief Trump worked with the russians to get elected. I don't even talk to my liberal friends about it any more because its a foundational belief I suspect even they don't believe but are too afraid to backtrack and see this for the STASI tactics it was. The FBI has no one else to blame if the department gets gutted and turned into a side office for the FDA to police suspect pork products from Mexico.
At the time I remember being at a BBQ and discussing Russia gate and when I stated I don't believe it someone asked me if I had Russian heritage. 😂
One of my friends still thinks there's a "pee tape" floating around out there. 🤷♂️
Probably also thinks Hilary Clinton is an honorable person, too.
God I wish there was. That's the type of thing one can only watch once, similar to 2 girls 1 cup, but I'll be damned if I wouldn't watch it once.
I love asking lefty friends:
"was Russiagate real or no? should be an easy, instant 'no.'"
and then the hemming and hawing begins. these are otherwise decent, intelligent, friendly people. politics makes cool people into despicable assholes.
this propaganda achievement almost rivals the way the establishment got tens of millions of working class people to fight for their right to not be disturbed and oppose the greatest threat to their status quo by supporting KHarris.
Was Russiagate real or no? I wish my friends would hem and haw. Instead they look at me like, How could you even doubt that?
damn. are they aware Mueller did not indict? or are they in the subset of really f'd up lefty kooks who, upon hearing there was no indictment, replied, "SEE!! I KNEW IT!!! TOLDYA!! HE'S GUILTY OF COLLUDING WITH PUTIN!"
it's a brick wall of delusion that tens of millions of our fellow citizens have, or play along with. that's the other thing. you have to wonder how many of these same people really believe what they claim or just can't admit otherwise. that's sad.
then there's the jerkoffs who will do ANYTHING to oppose "the other side," including pretending to be A-OK with...it's my favorite way to say it....SEX CHANGE OPERATIONS ON CHILDREN.
they will back SEX CHANGE OPERATIONS ON CHILDREN if it opposes "the other side."
can these people be helped?
As a person from a blue dog democratic family from VA, I know my parents would NOT have bought into this crap. I think they would have been one to say the Democratic Party left me
Most people I think, or, at least most of my friends, don't follow the news that closely. They just have NPR on in the background most of the time and that's what they know.
Since I don’t talk politics on the golf course they automatically assume I’m a lefty .
Isn’t it interesting that all lefties assume everyone around them share their opinions??
Ditto, and if you try and swat down one little factoid they have clung to they have 20 more to bring up they probably got from Madow 5 years ago and it is just too tiring to "fact check" them all.
The only reponses I get from my lefty "friends" is, "but Trump this and Trump that. It's exhausting. Recently I was accused of being delusional because I support Trump. I laughed and responded, me and everyone who voted for him. We are also garbage, deplorables, Nazi's and fascists. Anything else you want to add? No response.
all they can do is assert. you can tell them:
a) your position, stating in plainly
b) the reasons why you have this position
all they have is adjectives, vague phrases open to wide interpretation, and junior pyschologist mindreading. "no, you're a racist because you **really mean** blah blah blah."
it's like speaking with toddlers.
Any suggestions out there on how to deal with your children that voted for Kamala because Trump Is mean? No one has been disowned but it really baffles me that they could be this ignorant
If they haven't cut you off (or vice versa!) then it's really no big deal. Trump won, the tides are changing, but it takes time for people to wake up.
The fundamental law of deception;
“It’s infinitely easier to fool someone than it is to convince them that they’ve been fooled.”
There were undoubtedly Nazis that went to their death idolizing Hitler too. Same process, same result. A certain type of mind is susceptible to such control and, unfortunately, millions have settled in the Democrat party.
Legacy media’s turf is becoming smaller and smaller …
One of the reasons they're so gung-ho about fact checking.
Shit for brains is very sticky. Nothing moves out when lies get stuck into it.
Trump did collude with Russia.
Mar 2019 Mueller knew Manafort sent internal polling data & campaign strategy to Konstantin Kilimnik but didn't know what Kilimik did with it, and found no connection to Russian government.
Manafort admitted Oct 2022 he sent Kilimnik internal polling & campaign strategy.
Aug 2020 Senate Intelligence Report Vol 5 states that Konstantin Kilimnik is a Russian agent
Apr 15 2021 US Treasury Press Release assessed Kilimnik gave internal polling & campaign strategy to Russian Intelligence.
That's the connection to Russian government Mueller was unable to find and it proves Trump colluded. Check everything I've provided names and dates.
The FBI mishandled the Steele Dossier, but Russian involvement in the 2016 election helping Trump remains true. The Senate Intelligence Committee issued a report in August 2020 detailing the Russian involvement in the campaign, and Trump's campaign manager, who earlier helped Russia elect a compliant President in the Ukraine, confessed to colluding with Russia in the Trump campaign.
We ever find out why Manafort gave Kilimnick the polling data? Just for shits and giggles?
maybe because he asked for it and it was publicly available.
is it suspicious to you?
It wasn't all publicly available. That's the issue and I've never heard a good explanation for it from the Russiagate-agnosites about this.....
it was all publicly available.
Pretty simple. It was marketing. He was bragging about how his work improved Trump’s poll numbers. He was always looking for more work from Ukraine. Lucrative.
How is the weathet today in upside down land?
01/07/25: Will Kash Patel be able to physically find the original unredacted report, or has it already be destroyed by the rats at the FBI about to run down the gangplank ropes?
Youre confused. Trump did knowingly aid Rus attack on election 2016, and comforted Russia by denying it's involvement.
Trump also advance Russian interest above US interest in Syria and Germany.
Trump is guilty of ten million felonies and is going to completely destroy all pretense of American democracy and decency. If you defend Trump in any fashion you are a traitor.
"Ten million felonies" she says so easily and uncritically, as though an exaggeration of this magnitude is perfectly acceptable and substantiative as an argument.
Your entire worldview is fictional, Karen. Good luck out there. Hopefully your head does not explode.
Karen's whole schtick is trying to make other people's heads explode.
It's adorable.
like
A perfect temper tantrum. Is Karen 4 years old?
Trump is going to destroy civilization. You want him to kill everyone who mildly disagrees with you.
Looks like TDS has already taken hold of you.
Name ONE good Trump policy. I’ll make it easy for you: ONE policy that will actually protect the environment by reducing pollution. ONE policy.
She’s repeating herself so I would ignore. Bed time for you dear.
ok, this is definitely schtick.
no one is this ridiculous
WARNING: If you are totally certain you live in a country with 77.3M traitors, you might be the one who is on the wrong side of the issue, or insane.
ten million!???
wow a badass like that, you better run for your life. maybe cement your cooter shut so he cant rape you whem he comes busting down your door.
first stop doing drugs. if you are not doing any drugs, then maybe you should try some. whatever you are currently doing is not working.
Energy independence, mitigation of regulations and Government spending, smaller government, comprehensive immigration and border security, job creation thru effective negotiations and requirements on foreign trade. Just a few. All that normal people need.
So you’re fine with pollution, racial bigotry, and fascism.
Name ONE good Trump policy. ONE.
how about legalizing rape? thats a pretty good one, right?
You cannot be serious.
I want to learn of ONE Trump policy that a decent human won’t hate.
There were several named, but let’s be honest here. You don’t really want to hear because you’ll disagree anyway. Just go away
you are ideoligically demoralized and incapable of learning. you dont even know what questions to ask.
Grabbing women by the cooter?
Like an antibiotic resistant STD Karen keeps coming back.
I'm calling BS on user Karen. That account (including the apt "Karen" handle) has to be the ultimate in satire ... right?? The parroting of absurdly exaggerated, uber-extreme fact-resistant Left/Progressive talking points; the belief that Left/Progressive dogma must be accepted as fact/truth by all and anyone who dissents or questions is irredeemably evil; and the shrill dismissive, condescending replies -- all without observable brain-wave activity -- add up to a laughably ridiculous caricature of a 'Karen' .... Can't be real
Nah, she ain’t real. But, sadly, the sentiments “she” vomits are shared by millions of delusional leftists.
ten million? is that all? look, Karen, get Trump's hog outta yer mout and face reality.
it's A HUNDRED TRILLION BILLION FELONIES
I'm so tired of you apologists downplaying what that man does!!!!
I laughed at this, thinking it was a brilliant satire, including the username.
Then I checked her posts and she’s the real deal. Then I laughed harder.
Can we ask you to go bother someone else? I mean, you know you are pissing in the wind with most of us. Sorry, “ pissing in the wind is kind of a dude thing, but knowing you, you might just manage it.
Keep getting your COVID boosters, Karen.
Surely the same media that you believe about Trump’s crimes, would never risk your health and safety to dole out a few bucks to bureaucrats and Pharma.
Go drink raw water and then enjoy your dysentery.
Haha, I will. Right from the well that I water all of my own food and animals from, and use to brush my teeth with unfluorinated toothpaste.
I’m your worst nightmare. Have fun wallowing in the brainwashed cesspool of media and government propaganda, then taking all the shrink meds for the anxiety that their lies give you, while you applaud your friends for chemically castrating their children while I propagate and raise America-loving patriots.
Sweet dreams Karen, thanks for letting me set up shop rent free in your brain like it’s a homeless sidewalk camp in a liberal city.
Normal people don’t talk like this.
Truth hurts. Name one thing I got wrong above.
There was so much done to try to tie Epstein to Trump… don’t you think the slanted press and congress would have followed up if true? Do you think he killed himself… or that maybe the government and media lied to you?
Meanwhile, Clinton, Gates, the Prince Andrew, and other darling of the left actually went to the island and abused children… crickets.
So, the media and anyone in a position to persecute Epstein silenced it, murdered the guy, and staged it as a suicide with total media compliance.
Does that not show you a pattern of how these people that you trust cover for monsters? And only the monsters that they/you like.
We would have never heard the end of it, Rachel Maddow would’ve been on pulling her man hair out 24/7 had Trump done ~30 flights to the island like the rest of these goons. But she protects these criminals… why doesn’t that outrage you?
It was always plain on its face what was going on, to me. I wordsmith enough personally to know that "Obama and Trump have been briefed on a dossier" was "The IC doesnt believe this dossier but its biased leadership wants a news hook to put it out there in an embarrassing way"
"I brush my teeth with dog shit, you should, too."
Sums up Russiagate - Trump is Hitler. The 'best minds' tried and still try to get us to put the potty nonsense into our mouths. Why not? Plenty did, and will. The result?
Every single thing rolling around their heads stinks. Obviously. then, now, and into future. Think folks who saw the ka-ka invite for what it was are likely to forget? Maybe not...
Do I really have to explain? Anywaym, the russiagate conspiracy theory did its job, which was to hamstring Trump, particularly on foreign policy.
All of this was made possible by the Patriot Act. Every word of that odious legislation should be repealed. Or else Trump and his allies should make use of it to go after the Democrats. One of the two must happen.
DING DING DING DING DING! We have a winner! This is why it's the epitome of foolishness to devote one's loyalty to one party or another. They'll eventually switch sides, as they have numerous times before, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Most Americans either have never known this to be true despite the overwhelming evidence for it, or are so incensed by the corruption that they've witnessed over the last 8 years, they're willing to ignore it.
Yeah, it's just that the Republicans happen to be a lot better than the Democrats. Both are bad though.
I get where you're coming from, and on certain things they're better, but their efficacy as a party to make positive change in this country is still very much in doubt, for me at least.
Yeah, he should. Trump had large majorities in both houses of Congress from 2016-2020, but didn't seem to make that a priority.
For that matter, I don't hear Trump say anything about it, now.
I don't know how you define "large majorities," but the Republicans never had more than 53 senators from 2017-2021. The Democrats had a majority (235-200) in the House the final 2 years of Trump's first term. Hence the two impeachments.
Trump did have a majority in borh houses from 2016-2018, 52 Senators to be exactl, and Trump didn't raise so much as a peep about th eso-called "Patriot Act".
Why didn't you simply edit your first comment to correct it?
Don't confuse him with facts.
And you won't hear him say anything about it, that's the problem with legislation like that, it's very obviously evil and wrong to the opposition, but damned handy and a powerful tool when you are in power so no one will get rid of it, even on the way out as they may need it again.
But Paul Ryan!
Few democrats did more to hamstring Trump than Ryan.
Then there was, and is, dear old Mitch.
Don't make excuses for failure or betrayal.
Trump could have easily dealt with Ryan and McConnell. Tell them that he would veto any tax cut for billionaires, unless he gets what he wants. Ryan and McConnell would marry each other in a same-sex ceremony in which both wear white dresses, if that is what it takes to save a billionaire a nickel in taxes somewhere.
Any Team R holdouts in Congress? Simple. Hold a rally in that Congressman's district. Invite the holdout. He wouldn't dare refuse an invite from a sitting Team R president.
Trump then gives a speech on how you need every last vote to pass your agenda, how you are counting on. Every. Last. Vote.
That congressman will see thosuands of crazed Trump supporters (they will travel to see their hero), shouting themselves hoarse, eyes glazed over like an army of Holy Rollers about to hit the trail.
He'll get the message.
Hear, hear!
thats wrong if not illegal and its un-democratic at base. really stained the Dem brand for a long time. Who can trust them?
NO ONE.
Lots of people still do. Millions, in fact.
The lying media protects them. But enough people don't trust the lying media for Trump to have won the election. This is a good sign.
Trump will fuck up or be again hamstrung soon enough.
I don't believe this time he will screw up or be hamstrung. He has very solid people advising him. Fingers crossed.
His press conference today was impressive even with his country seizing , gulf name changing comments
You wish.
No, I wish for something else entirely. However, I live in the real world.
Thing is electoral politics is not where the power really lies, but ibnt he Deep State, the permanent bureaucracy, and they are very good at getting their way.
It's shocking that people cannot and will not come to this conclusion on their own. He's a false prophet, at best.
Each of us does and is - tis a matter of degree.
He's unlikely to bend over, turn and wink, and utter the command: "give it to me good and hard, big boy' like most do. I call that progress.
Wasn’t too long ago, you predicted that Trump would loose … remember?
They are (for the most part) voting for the source of their paychecks.
Frankly, there's not much light between both sides of the uniparty, it's just that each side believes THEIR liars are honest. In the end, you will still get it in the end.
Yea but with this much friction I’m obligated to pick a side.
Exactly! Whether Schiff parroting "credible evidence" of Russia collusion (and he's starting that sound track again), Pelosi claiming Trump is in mental decline (after protecting a vertible toadstool for years), or Water's call for activists to "get in the faces of Trump supporters /Republicans (while supporting real domestic terrorists alike BLM and Antifa), the purpose was to hamstring the Trump administration and the America First agenda.
Why shouldn't they? There is no electoral consequence: their sheeple will continue reelecting them, the mainstream press not only gives them a pass, it applauds them, and there is no legal consequences for their actions.
The chorus of acrimony may seem silent at the moment but it's just because they are gathering their breath before the onslaught.
Then when the foreign policy elites got the power back, they continued to throw billions into endless wars of oppression in faraway places -- all for the benefit of the military-industrial complex. Well? Americans are fed up. He's back, and we're back, and somebody is gonna pay.
They'll just do what they did from 2016-2020 which was to keep weak, stupid easily manipulated Trump distracted with silly shit or, altnerately, to flatter him.
I like your comment, Danno, although it is mostly wishful thinking.
Preeeeeeeecisely.
Its job was to get him out of office. But thankfully it did not succeed.
You say that like it's a bad thing. For folks cashing in big, American VOTERS are the enemy. So, naturally the corrupt are going to do what they can to protect the scam, no.matter.what.
I thought worstest worst hItLeR ever was Putins lapdog
When Kash Patel kicks open the door at FBI headquarters, it’s gonna be a turkeyshoot. No matter where he aims, he can’t miss.
Color me skeptical. Until I see fuckwads serving time, I don't believe there's any cause for optimism that this will change anything.
One of them — Madam Hillary — just received a medal for her efforts, alongside her financier. They’re not going to jail anytime soon.
I’m not holding my breath for any of the shitbirds to serve jail time. About all Trump & Co. can do is end their careers and sully their reputations. While it’s highly unlikely anyone goes to the slammer, the big names will postpone the financial hit by grifting on their notoriety with the Dem faithful until they slowly fade away in the public consciousness. But as it all comes out we can take pleasure in knowing they’re losing something forever that they’ll never replace — their power.
Precisely my point. I will stay skeptical of the efficacy of this "new regime" indefinitely, because I don't think it's possible that they can deliver what they've promised. Not even close. You don't end a machine overnight or even in 4 years that's been in production for decades.
Nor will they ever, nor their children even if they are more craven and corrupt than their parents, as we've seen.
courts are on the same payroll. were not getting out of this mess that easy. its going to take some dirty, durty work.
I love getting dirty. Give me some creds and point me in the right direction.
They will keep doing the same shit, but throw Trump a few bones by also doing the same thing to some of his critics.
Our neurons are aligned.
Settle down.
If the FBI is good at nothing else, they are good at malicious (non)compliance.
Malicious noncompliance = standard operating procedure.
Yup. It works.
well, but they are also good at wanking and soliciting hookers.
In the Morning to you sir
If there are ANY documents left unburned and/or unshredded, Bitch Bleached.
Nothing a "cloth" can't wipe off....
Most redactions are said "to protect sources and methods" are in fact done to obscure misconduct, corruption, hide incompetency, idiocy, or malfeasance in my experience (I won't go off on the related subject of anonymous sources). This was idiotic from day one. If I were to guess what McCabe meant by "his own words" was Trump's obvious joke that the Russians (or Chinese) might have the emails Hillary Clinton likely illegally destroyed. Everyone in the crowd laughed at Trump because amongst a large percentage of average people who are constantly having their identities stolen, their accounts hacked etc., it would not be surprising if some foreign entity had our emails, including HRC's which were on a homebrew server to conceal her activities I would guess, including the racket she had with her husband, daughter, and their foundation. So I would say the blotting out is done to protect Comey, McCabe, Struck, Page, and the rest of the crew who used a phony dossier and willing accomplices in the media to perpetrate a fraud on all of us.
If Trump really were in league with Russia, he would not need to say silly things in public.
In fact, he'd say and do all the "right" things on the campaign trail, not go around giving the foreign policy establishment the vapors.
I don’t think Trump is or ever has been “in league” with Russia. But, it’s pretty clear that he can’t help but say silly things in public. He has no filter. He has a limited vocabulary. He called Hezbollah “very, very smart” after they attacked Israel 16 months ago. Then, after universal condemnation from Democrats and Republicans, he doubled down on that statement a few weeks later.
Just because Hezbollah is evil doesn’t mean that they are stupid. As a matter of fact Israeli intelligence will readily admit that all of the terrorist organizations keep using ever more clever tactics. 10/7 never would have happened if Hamas had not learned to use clever misdirection tactics. And Israeli intelligence has made mistakes and be fooled more than once. Fortunately as illustrated by the “grim beeper”counter attack Israel all and all is smarter than its adversaries. There is no virtue in pretending that your enemy is dumb and I think that is what Trump was getting at.
I'd not bet on the 'Israelis smarter than its adversaries' theory, they just might have committed to their own demise, they HAD a reasonable reputation prior to openly committing a genocide, but that has shown both them and the US to be hypocritical about democracy and human rights and no better than organized crime organizations.
Good point. Better supplied and funded? Absolutely. Smarter? Meh- 10/7/23 says no. However, I will say to anyone that's been paying attention, since, idk their birth, which for most people that are in this thread and commenting and keep up with these types of things, the Israeli conflict is just the latest in a long, long list.
"Smart" rarely seems to equate with "wise" these days.
The larger the ego, the smaller the filter.
On the other hand ideology certainly can have a dumbing down effect since it’s not based on rationality. That’s why common sense is once again coming into its own.
Her server had woefully substandard security. Its best defense would've been obscurity which was gone when Hillary accessed it all over the world from her Blackberry. Trump was referring, in his particular style, to the near certainty that Russia and China got everything that was on the server.
Bravo.
Impossible not to be true.
One of the most appropriate lines I have read recently is (sorry, can’t remember author), “it’s not the severity of the consequences that have the most impact on behavior, it’s the CERTAINTY of consequences”. We need certainty of consequences again.
Who else is hoping Tulsi Gabbard hires Aaron, Glenn, Matt and Walt to round out her National Intelligence council?
Not likely, for Matt anyway. In last night's ATW he said he wants to be Postmaster of Greenland.
Hahaha. Who wouldn't want that looking at contemporary American society?
😂
General Flynn. That'll scare the sheet out of 'em.
We need Matt to keep doing what he does now.
That would be badass. Those 5 would be relentless.
Matt’s much more beneficial doing what he’s doing.
Great work from Aaron on this story. Keep up exposing the corruption Matt. You’re a national treasure sir.
The Mafia state at its best. Still very, very dangerous throng of thugs.
"Government is a gang, but not merely as meritorious as a private gang because it claims legal legitimacy. It pillages and uses violence but under the cover of law, and seeks legitimacy not through competition but through the myth of the social contract."
- Jeffrey Tucker
They expanded this into the public square and now we're taking it back. They can't deal and are not prepared for how we will exert our will....because like mobsters they never expected the "shopkeepers" to fight back.
The US is the world's largest criminal organization, just masquerading as a country. ~ me
We should express gratitude to individuals like Taibbi, Shellenberger, and other independent journalists who have risked, at the very least, their reputations and faced peer rejection to expose the nefarious forces among us. In the past, we could rely on some mainstream journalists to do this, but not anymore.
It's been clear to me that the story that the investigations started with Papadopoulos was a crock. The Australians involved in setting that BS up got MILLIONS $ from the Clinton Foundation (or CGI, I forget which). This was a Clinton operation from beginning to end. Illegal, election interference and treasonous. Good enough for a Medal of Freedom award.
The same Papadopoulos that was just forced to pay for lying on air? Shocking.
That can be looked at many ways including that the yarns he was supposedly spinning about Trump were also lies (and they almost certainly were if he actually uttered them) and were a convenient, indeed necessary, excuse to start up BS "investigations". I don't believe the adage, "Follow the money", always works, but I think it does in this (these) case(s). There is Clinton or Clinton "adjacent" $ (Soros $, for instance) associated with every aspect of the lawfare (including the BS Russian "investigation") launched against Trump. Clinton fingerprints are all over everything.
At least back in the day if you were in the FBI and you opened investigations without merit and abused the power and trust of the People, you could count on the press to report on it honestly regardless of how the journalists felt politically. Now the journalists protect the perps and shower them with praise and job offers. Nothing will happen to the people who did this. Look how fast the Biden administration settled all law suits with McCabe and all involved in this, therefore rewarding them for their blatant political weaponization of an important institution. It doesn’t matter if Kash gets the FBI job or not - he will be gone someday and they will go back to being political minions for the democrats. We have them so much power after 9/11. You can’t put the genie back in the bottle.
Is it possible that the FBI went from being in the business of law enforcement to being in the "intelligence" business under Bush II after 9/11? (I seem to remember reading of Bush's bashing the FBI for not providing more CIA type information.) If so, maybe the Trump administration should direct the FBI back to its original charter. Could be a good start toward correcting course.
Good luck getting that genie back into the bottle.
To answer your original question, the FBI has been in the "intelligence" business going way back.
Course correction? Let’s start with the name of the building where FBI hq is located. If they confront their shit past maybe could prevent a shit future
I say close their DC branch and move the HQ to Wichita or somewhere far from DC, and curtail their blackmail ops.
We'll use it against its former masters.
That's trying to use the ring against Sauron.
I'm a true nerd, and I love this reference.
Perfect analogy.
Of course you will, of course you will, lol.
Man, you are more of a cynic than I am! Love it! Well, maybe realist.
I live in the real world, that is all.
Well, read about COINTELPRO, and then you will realize they’re just continuing the grand tradition of secret police everywhere.
At least when the FBI office in Pennsylvania was broken into to get the incriminating evidence for the Washington Post (or was it NYT?), the paper didn’t turn them in to the authorities.
That’s back in the day when such newspapers protected their sources, instead of being fed information from the likes of the CIA or FBI.
The FBI has always been in the intelligence business. Who do you think was rounding up dissidents during the 1918-20 Red Scare.
Possible? Yes. Likely? Yes. In fact, I would go as far to say that this is now their ONLY mission.
I continue to think the most obvious explanation for all the post election FBI behavior was an effort to create the ongoing appearance of active investigation in a way designed to inhibit the President from exercising his authority to remove FBI leadership over their pre-election behavior. At least by the time of the Danchenko interview, there was no “real” open investigation and everything is an effort to create the appearance of one.
We’re at a crossroads here, between knowing what we’re told and knowing the truth.
It’s all but certain that the intelligence community killed JFK. If that’s true, the implications for us today are this: Dismantle the FBI, CIA et al, or continue to be governed by secret police, which, historically, become more repressive and more savage the more they’re challenged.
That’s the deal. Live with Savak/Mossad/KGB, or resist, in Malcolm’s words, by any means necessary. Does anyone have a third option to propose?
The advent of AI and the corrupt, nefarious, subversive ways it'll be used will only make your observation more true, and more dangerous into the future.
Burn the sons of bitches to the ground and start over.
I agree with the sentiment, but I think we both know this is a pipe dream.
“It’s all but certain that the intelligence community killed JFK”????
You forgot to add the CIA/FBI/NSA and how many others into that list of those that have to be lived with.
Next level: Tonton Macoute/NKVD.
The investigations about to commence are not about getting answers to the what or why the law enforcement agencies did to Trump and his allies, we already know those answers. The investigations are about proving what we already know, so that we can shame and prosecute those who did it.
Last I checked, POTUS is constitutionally (Art 2, Sec 3) the one to receive foreign ambassadors and ministers. That includes working with foreign leaders/nations of all ilk. If you’ve got concrete evidence of treason, prosecute…otherwise you’re wasting my tax dollars!