Wikipedia? That's your source? Are you kidding me??
And with regard to his "grab 'em by the pussy comment," I'll make three observations. 1 - If all that you require to "convict" someone of misogyny is comments like that, I hope you never sit on a jury. 2 - The complete comment in context included the words "...and they let you do it." 3 - Men who are trying to prove something frequently talk in such a manner because they believe it makes them more "alpha." It's not the case, but this comment is hardly the "proof" you think it is of misogyny. If it were, no man who has ever played on any sports team or inhabited a locker room could defend the charge.
In sum, you're an ideologue who hates Trump and nothing will convince you otherwise.
An ideologue is someone who is uncompromising and dogmatic.
That's not me.
I'll grant you that the wikipedia article is merely on overview of the topic - but it has a citation for every claim.
For example it is true that trump wouldn't rent out his properties to black people and true that he stated to the justice department lawyer taking his deposition on the subject:
"You know, you don't want to live with them either."
I suspect that you are going to find a way to interpret that as somehow not being racist - likely for reasons that have to do with you yourself being uncompromising and dogmatic.
You still don't get it; you're looking for excuses to convict him by epithet forever and ever.
You've never even mentioned redemption.
You live in a "black and white" world in which someone utters a magic phrase that you can deem "RACIST!!!" and then that's it.
I was a criminal defense attorney and I've defended people that make Trump look like a fucking schoolboy.
Serious question: Was Archie Bunker a racist? Because he said some "terrible" things on that show. So is he condemned for all eternity to the epithet "racist?"
My world as a crim defense attorney includes the possibility of redemption, of the fact that people change, and that forgiveness is as close as we get to being Divine.
But go ahead and keep telling yourself how righteous you are and how evil anyone is who utters certain phrases. It's such a mature way of engaging with the world and other people.
"You still don't get it; you're looking for excuses to convict him by epithet forever and ever.
You've never even mentioned redemption.
You live in a "black and white" world in which someone utters a magic phrase that you can deem "RACIST!!!" and then that's it."
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You don't know me at all, man.
You're assuming all these untrue things about me because I said that I think trump is a racist.
Serious Answer: I've never seen Archie Bunker.
If I'm understanding you correctly - you're conceding that trump *used* to be racist and implying that he no longer is.
Serious question: What is your evidence for this worldview?
Is trump on record disavowing his former racism?
You are demanding a standard of rigorous proof to which you yourself are not adhering.
I would be very interested in any evidence you have of trump renouncing his... let's say "racist adjacent"... behaviours.
As for myself, I have never claimed to be righteous. Again - you are making wild assumptions about my character based solely on the fact that I think trump is a racist.
Isn't it possible that someone could conclude that a public figure is a racist for reasons that have nothing to do with politics or a "black and white worldview"?
Isn't assuming that everyone who thinks that trump is racist must be a holier-than-thou righteous type who sees certain speech as evil a "black and white worldview" of it's own?
Those are not rhetorical questions. I respectfully request an answer.
I believe the point is that any person will make a statement that could be construed as "racist" whether that was the intention or not. To condemn someone for a lifetime over one statement made without a team of lawyers giving you a read on a teleprompter is preposterous. Nobody meets that standard. Which is OK. Since we are all racists.
There's a big difference between making one statement that is interpreted as "racist" and having a policy of not renting apartments to someone because of their race.
Trump wasn't successfully sued by the justice department because of something he said. He literally would not rent to black people.
It's also worth noting that after the lawsuit he agreed to change his ways and was then sued again for violating terms of the settlement by continuing to refuse to rent to black tenants.
Plus - It's dishonest to frame the situation as "a single comment". There is a PILE of evidence - like way more than can be discussed in a comments section. I get that pointing to a wikipedia article is frowned upon, but c'mon... the fact that trump has said/done enough racist shit to write a lengthy wikipedia article *full* of citations says something in and of itself.
1986 was a very contentious time for race relations in the city in light of the Bernie Goetz incident and the Tawanna Brawley hoax (by REVEREND AL!!) that got people killed. That same year, the Ellis Island Honors Society gave an award (for the first time) to a number of people. The EIHS "promotes diversity and understanding among religious and ethnic groups, as well as the restoration and maintenance of Ellis Island."
The honorees were: Rosa Parks, Muhammad Ali... and Donald Trump.
Now, in the continued retcon of history, those of us who are old enough to remember that now have to listen to NPCs like you, and politifact "fact-checkers," tell us that "it's not what it looks like!"
This is a complete embarrassment to the Left's continuous lie that Trump has always been an unrepentant "RACIST!!" so now they have to produce dreck like this.
FWIW, at the time, I was a junior in high school going to Francis Lewis HS and living in Ozone Park, Queens, not far from where the incident happened where some white kids ran down black kids who had broken down in Howard Beach. But tell me again how much you "know" about Trump's racism. You don't even know who Archie Bunker is, but you're an "expert" on "racism" and know it when you see it, right?
Unable to refute my evidence that trump habitually discriminated against people due to their race you...
what exactly?
Nothing you said there refutes that trump hates black tenants and had a policy of discriminating against them.
You are devolving your position into an ad hominem attack against "people like me" when in truth you know nothing about me, save that I am a person who believes that there is sufficient evidence to conclude that trump is a racist.
That's it.
I have no horse in this race nor dog in this fight.
I think the fact that obama initiated capital punishment against american citizens without giving them a trial makes him a horrible person. I believe hillary promotes misandry when she says things like "the true victims of war are women". I think bush and cheney are very likely war criminals.
And I think that donald trump is a racist, because that is what the preponderance of evidence shows.
Despite your baseless assumptions I am neither team left nor team right.
Just admit that the guy is racist and you are willing to over-look it because he has other qualities you like.
I get it. I still listen to michael jackson and watch louis ck even though they have done bad things. I'm probably going to watch the new flash movie even though the star is a total asshat.
But let's call an asshat an asshat when there's evidence to that effect.
The TL/DR point is there's a world of difference between being a boor, or an asshat, or insensitive - and being a racist. And you've obliterated the distinction because it's someone you don't like - on largely cherry-picked and threadbare evidence that doesn't even rise to the level of real racism.
I agree. there *is* a world of difference between being an asshat and a racist.
Examining the evidence without any bias whatsoever leads me to conclude that trump is a racist. If you won't rent to someone because of their race, then you are a racist, not an ass hat.
That combined with all the other evidence I referred to makes it obvious that trump is racist against black people.
You have utterly failed to provide a convincing counter-argument to the statement "donald trump is a racist".
Your augmentation seems far from objective on this issue. You accuse me (unjustly) of being a biased lefty yet to all appearances it is you yourself who is biased on this issue.
My final questions for you: What evidence would it take (other than the man saying it himself) for you to accept that trump is a racist? Is there any thing at all that could change your mind on this issue?
If the answers are "none" and "no" than clearly you are not thinking about this issue in a detached objective way.
I could continue to extensively catalogue racist things trumps has done and said, but if no amount of evidence is going to convince you I feel it is best if this conversation comes to a close.
Casey - let me offer an olive branch because I'm guessing you're a good bit younger than I am. At the heart of our disagreement is that your generation has been fed a completely baked definition of racism.
Racism is a subset of bigotry - and to a lesser extent, so is misogyny, to go back to your original claims about Trump. What makes someone a bigot, however, is NOT simply that they said whatever forbidden word du jour that the new PC thought-police have told you makes someone a racist or misogynist.
Bigotry/racism is the inability to distinguish an individual case from a broader stereotype. That's why Leftists started the whole "Oh, but you have black friends" trope.
Let me illustrate w/a story: a friend of mine from the west coast, who was raised in the 60s, used to spend his summers at his relatives in rural Alabama. They were not "well-off." His uncles used the N word liberally, but also had many neighbors and friends who were black. My friend, young at the time, perhaps 11, hearing the word so much, once asked at dinner if Delroy, a close family friend who was black and came over the house a lot, was a N**ger. He got a smack in the head from his uncle who said, "Don't you ever say that - Delroy's family, goddammit!"
This is why I asked you about Archie Bunker. This is why you should watch Chris Rock's bit on "Who's More Prejudiced, White People or Black People."
My disagreement with you is that you're relying on the wrong definition and it's the height of intellectual sloth to claim that someone you've never met, don't know, have never interacted with, and can offer zero firsthand evidence for, is a racist. It used to be a scandalous claim - but now people throw the appellation at anyone who's their political enemy.
Trump's a racist, but guys like Trudeau dressing in blackface, or Youngkin, or Joe Biden - who has always been a bigot - it's all TOTALLY A-OK. THEY'RE NOT RACISTS(!!!) - because of what team they're on. That's it.
And people like you show that kind of language control works. You don't even know what the word means.
Once again you have made an incorrect assumption about me, this time regarding my age. I'm older than you are assuming by quite a bit. I may be older than you. All In The Family existed during my lifespan, I just didn't watch it because (like most people on the planet) I didn't live in the USA. Where I lived you could watch Archie Bunker with an extended cable package, but we couldn't afford it so I didn't.
Here is my take-away from this conversation:
Your two party system is broken - in a way that is interfering with the ability of average American people to discuss political ideas rationally.
You are not the first person to assume that because I don't like someone on team A I *must* be on team B, and then attribute a host of "team B" attributes to me that I frankly do not possess. In my opinion, it's a very American thing to do.
In my country we have multiple political parties. Over my lifetime I have voted for four different political parties as well as scratching my ballet in protest. I think for this reason the "us vs them" team-sport mentality is greatly reduced in my country. I feel that this reduction is to my society's benefit.
Your country needs to stop with the "your either 100% with us or you are the enemy" mentality. It is literally ripping your country apart.
I don't think trump is a racist and hate him because he's "the enemy". He was a better president than Clinton, for example. (Don't get me started on repealing glass–steagall)
I think trump is racist because that is what it looks like to an objective external observer. There is a lot of evidence to support the idea and little to refute it. As a non-objective, non-external participant you might want to re-consider how biased you are on this issue.
I honestly feel it would be healthy for you to question your assumption that anyone who criticizes someone on your team is an "ideological enemy".
Americans must find common ground with each other if their country is to survive as a union in the times to come.
Best I can do is to offer an apology for failing to retain your interest. It's been an... illuminating... conversation to be a part of. Thank-you for your time.
Is it because you assume anyone who criticizes trump does so out political allegiance to the democrats? You would also not be the first to assume that. It's a theme here.
Nevertheless, if that is your assumption you are wrong. I'm not a democrat.
We both know that obama having people killed has nothing to do with whether trump is a racist or not.
I'm not "quoting" wikipedia, I'm pointing to a page about trumps racism that has 457 citations backing up that claim.
It's not wikipedia that proves my point. Wikipedia is just a nice collection of sourced statements to that fact.
If you want we can get into all 457 citations, but to me that is beyond the scope of a comments section. Maybe most of them are wrong and only 1% of the accusations of him being racist are true.
That still makes him a racist though, right?
As to why I am here, that's easy. Matt is my favourite investigative reporter - an occupation that is becoming more vital even as it becomes more rare.
I don't have a lot of heroes, but one of them produces this substack.
it is true that trump wouldn't rent out his properties to black people and true that he stated to the justice department lawyer taking his deposition on the subject:
"You know, you don't want to live with them either."
Why do you think that trump believed that obama was not born in the usa? What kind of assumptions were going on in his head that would cause him to come to that conclusion?
Those aren't "gotcha" questions. I'm genuinely interested in your thoughts on that subject.
Well I don't think having to go back to the 60's is proof of racism (or that the Atlantic isn't a beyond biased source)- I think he's definitely got prejudices but I think that most of them are due to the fact he's kind of a moron in some ways. Hence the birther crap which I thought was moronic BTW. I think all these do good white liberals virtue signaling their compassion for the unclean masses are far more racist then Trump is. Their seems to be a lot of people saying he is racist but I don't think his actions really show that and plenty of 'people of color' as they say (I hate that term) have unequivocally stated that. I think he has prejudices that spring from ignorance and when he's confronted by them (in life not gotchas) I think he's changed his mind which u can only actually guage by his actions.
"In 1991, Obama's literary agency, Acton & Dystel, printed a promotional booklet which misidentified Obama's birthplace, and stated that Obama was "born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii". This error was later included in a biography that remained posted to their website until April 2007. The booklet's editor said that this incorrect information, which was not widely discovered until 2012, had been her mistake and not based on anything provided to her agency by Obama."
There are several articles about Joe Biden's racist comments as well (for example: https://freebeacon.com/politics/joe-bidens-history-of-racial-gaffes/). You may not remember Biden almost single-handedly doubling the US incarceration rate (about tripling it for Blacks), or his 100-fold longer sentencing for crack cocaine (mostly used by Blacks) vs powder cocaine (mostly used by whites).
Ask Tara Reade about Biden's treatment of women. Frankly Bill Clinton, Trump and Biden and many more powerful men in America are cut from the same misogynist clothe.
I never said I like Biden. I think you are assuming I am a democrat, when the truth is I have never voted in any US election and hold no loyalty to either party.
There's a whole wikipedia article devoted to racists things trump has done and said.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump
You must be familiar with his "grab em by the pussy" comment in regards to how he prefers to treat women. For me, this is solid evidence of misogyny.
Wikipedia? That's your source? Are you kidding me??
And with regard to his "grab 'em by the pussy comment," I'll make three observations. 1 - If all that you require to "convict" someone of misogyny is comments like that, I hope you never sit on a jury. 2 - The complete comment in context included the words "...and they let you do it." 3 - Men who are trying to prove something frequently talk in such a manner because they believe it makes them more "alpha." It's not the case, but this comment is hardly the "proof" you think it is of misogyny. If it were, no man who has ever played on any sports team or inhabited a locker room could defend the charge.
In sum, you're an ideologue who hates Trump and nothing will convince you otherwise.
All else aside. Trump said that.
https://www.vox.com/2016/10/7/13205842/trump-secret-recording-women
Attacking the source is pointless, the only question is, "Is the clai true or false?"
An ideologue is someone who is uncompromising and dogmatic.
That's not me.
I'll grant you that the wikipedia article is merely on overview of the topic - but it has a citation for every claim.
For example it is true that trump wouldn't rent out his properties to black people and true that he stated to the justice department lawyer taking his deposition on the subject:
"You know, you don't want to live with them either."
source: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/
That sounds pretty racist to me.
I suspect that you are going to find a way to interpret that as somehow not being racist - likely for reasons that have to do with you yourself being uncompromising and dogmatic.
You still don't get it; you're looking for excuses to convict him by epithet forever and ever.
You've never even mentioned redemption.
You live in a "black and white" world in which someone utters a magic phrase that you can deem "RACIST!!!" and then that's it.
I was a criminal defense attorney and I've defended people that make Trump look like a fucking schoolboy.
Serious question: Was Archie Bunker a racist? Because he said some "terrible" things on that show. So is he condemned for all eternity to the epithet "racist?"
My world as a crim defense attorney includes the possibility of redemption, of the fact that people change, and that forgiveness is as close as we get to being Divine.
But go ahead and keep telling yourself how righteous you are and how evil anyone is who utters certain phrases. It's such a mature way of engaging with the world and other people.
"You still don't get it; you're looking for excuses to convict him by epithet forever and ever.
You've never even mentioned redemption.
You live in a "black and white" world in which someone utters a magic phrase that you can deem "RACIST!!!" and then that's it."
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You don't know me at all, man.
You're assuming all these untrue things about me because I said that I think trump is a racist.
Serious Answer: I've never seen Archie Bunker.
If I'm understanding you correctly - you're conceding that trump *used* to be racist and implying that he no longer is.
Serious question: What is your evidence for this worldview?
Is trump on record disavowing his former racism?
You are demanding a standard of rigorous proof to which you yourself are not adhering.
I would be very interested in any evidence you have of trump renouncing his... let's say "racist adjacent"... behaviours.
As for myself, I have never claimed to be righteous. Again - you are making wild assumptions about my character based solely on the fact that I think trump is a racist.
Isn't it possible that someone could conclude that a public figure is a racist for reasons that have nothing to do with politics or a "black and white worldview"?
Isn't assuming that everyone who thinks that trump is racist must be a holier-than-thou righteous type who sees certain speech as evil a "black and white worldview" of it's own?
Those are not rhetorical questions. I respectfully request an answer.
I believe the point is that any person will make a statement that could be construed as "racist" whether that was the intention or not. To condemn someone for a lifetime over one statement made without a team of lawyers giving you a read on a teleprompter is preposterous. Nobody meets that standard. Which is OK. Since we are all racists.
There's a big difference between making one statement that is interpreted as "racist" and having a policy of not renting apartments to someone because of their race.
Trump wasn't successfully sued by the justice department because of something he said. He literally would not rent to black people.
It's also worth noting that after the lawsuit he agreed to change his ways and was then sued again for violating terms of the settlement by continuing to refuse to rent to black tenants.
Plus - It's dishonest to frame the situation as "a single comment". There is a PILE of evidence - like way more than can be discussed in a comments section. I get that pointing to a wikipedia article is frowned upon, but c'mon... the fact that trump has said/done enough racist shit to write a lengthy wikipedia article *full* of citations says something in and of itself.
1986 was a very contentious time for race relations in the city in light of the Bernie Goetz incident and the Tawanna Brawley hoax (by REVEREND AL!!) that got people killed. That same year, the Ellis Island Honors Society gave an award (for the first time) to a number of people. The EIHS "promotes diversity and understanding among religious and ethnic groups, as well as the restoration and maintenance of Ellis Island."
The honorees were: Rosa Parks, Muhammad Ali... and Donald Trump.
Now, in the continued retcon of history, those of us who are old enough to remember that now have to listen to NPCs like you, and politifact "fact-checkers," tell us that "it's not what it looks like!"
This is a complete embarrassment to the Left's continuous lie that Trump has always been an unrepentant "RACIST!!" so now they have to produce dreck like this.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jun/09/facebook-posts/trumps-ellis-island-award-1980s-was-not-brotherhoo/
But I guess it works for people like you.
FWIW, at the time, I was a junior in high school going to Francis Lewis HS and living in Ozone Park, Queens, not far from where the incident happened where some white kids ran down black kids who had broken down in Howard Beach. But tell me again how much you "know" about Trump's racism. You don't even know who Archie Bunker is, but you're an "expert" on "racism" and know it when you see it, right?
Unable to refute my evidence that trump habitually discriminated against people due to their race you...
what exactly?
Nothing you said there refutes that trump hates black tenants and had a policy of discriminating against them.
You are devolving your position into an ad hominem attack against "people like me" when in truth you know nothing about me, save that I am a person who believes that there is sufficient evidence to conclude that trump is a racist.
That's it.
I have no horse in this race nor dog in this fight.
I think the fact that obama initiated capital punishment against american citizens without giving them a trial makes him a horrible person. I believe hillary promotes misandry when she says things like "the true victims of war are women". I think bush and cheney are very likely war criminals.
And I think that donald trump is a racist, because that is what the preponderance of evidence shows.
Despite your baseless assumptions I am neither team left nor team right.
Just admit that the guy is racist and you are willing to over-look it because he has other qualities you like.
I get it. I still listen to michael jackson and watch louis ck even though they have done bad things. I'm probably going to watch the new flash movie even though the star is a total asshat.
But let's call an asshat an asshat when there's evidence to that effect.
The TL/DR point is there's a world of difference between being a boor, or an asshat, or insensitive - and being a racist. And you've obliterated the distinction because it's someone you don't like - on largely cherry-picked and threadbare evidence that doesn't even rise to the level of real racism.
I agree. there *is* a world of difference between being an asshat and a racist.
Examining the evidence without any bias whatsoever leads me to conclude that trump is a racist. If you won't rent to someone because of their race, then you are a racist, not an ass hat.
That combined with all the other evidence I referred to makes it obvious that trump is racist against black people.
You have utterly failed to provide a convincing counter-argument to the statement "donald trump is a racist".
Your augmentation seems far from objective on this issue. You accuse me (unjustly) of being a biased lefty yet to all appearances it is you yourself who is biased on this issue.
My final questions for you: What evidence would it take (other than the man saying it himself) for you to accept that trump is a racist? Is there any thing at all that could change your mind on this issue?
If the answers are "none" and "no" than clearly you are not thinking about this issue in a detached objective way.
I could continue to extensively catalogue racist things trumps has done and said, but if no amount of evidence is going to convince you I feel it is best if this conversation comes to a close.
Thank-you for your time.
Casey - let me offer an olive branch because I'm guessing you're a good bit younger than I am. At the heart of our disagreement is that your generation has been fed a completely baked definition of racism.
Racism is a subset of bigotry - and to a lesser extent, so is misogyny, to go back to your original claims about Trump. What makes someone a bigot, however, is NOT simply that they said whatever forbidden word du jour that the new PC thought-police have told you makes someone a racist or misogynist.
Bigotry/racism is the inability to distinguish an individual case from a broader stereotype. That's why Leftists started the whole "Oh, but you have black friends" trope.
Let me illustrate w/a story: a friend of mine from the west coast, who was raised in the 60s, used to spend his summers at his relatives in rural Alabama. They were not "well-off." His uncles used the N word liberally, but also had many neighbors and friends who were black. My friend, young at the time, perhaps 11, hearing the word so much, once asked at dinner if Delroy, a close family friend who was black and came over the house a lot, was a N**ger. He got a smack in the head from his uncle who said, "Don't you ever say that - Delroy's family, goddammit!"
This is why I asked you about Archie Bunker. This is why you should watch Chris Rock's bit on "Who's More Prejudiced, White People or Black People."
My disagreement with you is that you're relying on the wrong definition and it's the height of intellectual sloth to claim that someone you've never met, don't know, have never interacted with, and can offer zero firsthand evidence for, is a racist. It used to be a scandalous claim - but now people throw the appellation at anyone who's their political enemy.
Trump's a racist, but guys like Trudeau dressing in blackface, or Youngkin, or Joe Biden - who has always been a bigot - it's all TOTALLY A-OK. THEY'RE NOT RACISTS(!!!) - because of what team they're on. That's it.
And people like you show that kind of language control works. You don't even know what the word means.
Once again you have made an incorrect assumption about me, this time regarding my age. I'm older than you are assuming by quite a bit. I may be older than you. All In The Family existed during my lifespan, I just didn't watch it because (like most people on the planet) I didn't live in the USA. Where I lived you could watch Archie Bunker with an extended cable package, but we couldn't afford it so I didn't.
Here is my take-away from this conversation:
Your two party system is broken - in a way that is interfering with the ability of average American people to discuss political ideas rationally.
You are not the first person to assume that because I don't like someone on team A I *must* be on team B, and then attribute a host of "team B" attributes to me that I frankly do not possess. In my opinion, it's a very American thing to do.
In my country we have multiple political parties. Over my lifetime I have voted for four different political parties as well as scratching my ballet in protest. I think for this reason the "us vs them" team-sport mentality is greatly reduced in my country. I feel that this reduction is to my society's benefit.
Your country needs to stop with the "your either 100% with us or you are the enemy" mentality. It is literally ripping your country apart.
I don't think trump is a racist and hate him because he's "the enemy". He was a better president than Clinton, for example. (Don't get me started on repealing glass–steagall)
I think trump is racist because that is what it looks like to an objective external observer. There is a lot of evidence to support the idea and little to refute it. As a non-objective, non-external participant you might want to re-consider how biased you are on this issue.
I honestly feel it would be healthy for you to question your assumption that anyone who criticizes someone on your team is an "ideological enemy".
Americans must find common ground with each other if their country is to survive as a union in the times to come.
Respectfully,
Goodbye.
You are boring us with your nonsense. Bring something better to the ADULT table.
Best I can do is to offer an apology for failing to retain your interest. It's been an... illuminating... conversation to be a part of. Thank-you for your time.
Obama killed babies. Dozens of them.
There are no heroes.
Why are you mentioning obama?
Is it because you assume anyone who criticizes trump does so out political allegiance to the democrats? You would also not be the first to assume that. It's a theme here.
Nevertheless, if that is your assumption you are wrong. I'm not a democrat.
We both know that obama having people killed has nothing to do with whether trump is a racist or not.
I'm interested in your reasons for bring it up.
You're quoting Wikipedia?
Why is it you're here?
I'm not "quoting" wikipedia, I'm pointing to a page about trumps racism that has 457 citations backing up that claim.
It's not wikipedia that proves my point. Wikipedia is just a nice collection of sourced statements to that fact.
If you want we can get into all 457 citations, but to me that is beyond the scope of a comments section. Maybe most of them are wrong and only 1% of the accusations of him being racist are true.
That still makes him a racist though, right?
As to why I am here, that's easy. Matt is my favourite investigative reporter - an occupation that is becoming more vital even as it becomes more rare.
I don't have a lot of heroes, but one of them produces this substack.
How about just one actual (sourced) example of real racism then... since there are so many
it is true that trump wouldn't rent out his properties to black people and true that he stated to the justice department lawyer taking his deposition on the subject:
"You know, you don't want to live with them either."
source: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/
That sounds pretty racist to me.
I have a question for you:
Why do you think that trump believed that obama was not born in the usa? What kind of assumptions were going on in his head that would cause him to come to that conclusion?
Those aren't "gotcha" questions. I'm genuinely interested in your thoughts on that subject.
Well I don't think having to go back to the 60's is proof of racism (or that the Atlantic isn't a beyond biased source)- I think he's definitely got prejudices but I think that most of them are due to the fact he's kind of a moron in some ways. Hence the birther crap which I thought was moronic BTW. I think all these do good white liberals virtue signaling their compassion for the unclean masses are far more racist then Trump is. Their seems to be a lot of people saying he is racist but I don't think his actions really show that and plenty of 'people of color' as they say (I hate that term) have unequivocally stated that. I think he has prejudices that spring from ignorance and when he's confronted by them (in life not gotchas) I think he's changed his mind which u can only actually guage by his actions.
Thanks for the reply. Perhaps trump has abandoned his racist thoughts and behaviour and perhaps he has abandoned one, but not the other.
People like you and I will never know for sure. I hope you are right, but I remain skeptical.
Thanks again for the civil discussion though.
The birther crap was a response to Obama stating it in his memoir. Was he lying then or later??
It wasn't a memoir.
"In 1991, Obama's literary agency, Acton & Dystel, printed a promotional booklet which misidentified Obama's birthplace, and stated that Obama was "born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii". This error was later included in a biography that remained posted to their website until April 2007. The booklet's editor said that this incorrect information, which was not widely discovered until 2012, had been her mistake and not based on anything provided to her agency by Obama."
Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20120706093227/https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/born-kenya-obamas-literary-agent-misidentified-birthplace-1991/story?id=16372566#.Vj6h4r9mqjc
Thanks for the info, I didn't actually know the history behind it.
There are several articles about Joe Biden's racist comments as well (for example: https://freebeacon.com/politics/joe-bidens-history-of-racial-gaffes/). You may not remember Biden almost single-handedly doubling the US incarceration rate (about tripling it for Blacks), or his 100-fold longer sentencing for crack cocaine (mostly used by Blacks) vs powder cocaine (mostly used by whites).
Ask Tara Reade about Biden's treatment of women. Frankly Bill Clinton, Trump and Biden and many more powerful men in America are cut from the same misogynist clothe.
I never said I like Biden. I think you are assuming I am a democrat, when the truth is I have never voted in any US election and hold no loyalty to either party.
I'm *not* saying Biden is a good person.
I *am* saying Trump is a bad one.