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Wendy LaRiviere's avatar

Straight talk. Best thing I have read since seeing the murder online.

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Bea South's avatar

Really? We should get rid of the police? This is Minneapolis without the police: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ACPdvckwMS0

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Wendy LaRiviere's avatar

Yes, really. Your evidence has no date. There's just a lot of very brutal (staged?) action apparently from closed circuit TV's that goes on for a really long time. Makes me wonder why the cops never made an appearance. Can't say I find your "evidence," including the people speaking on behalf of law and order, very persuasive. I think that communities that regulate themselves are the best communities.

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Bea South's avatar

Are you kidding? Staged? This was all over the Minneapolis news in late 2019 because it has happened numerous times. Do you have Google? https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2019/09/16/20-arrested-18-charged-in-brutal-downtown-minneapolis-robberies/

If you are going to willfully close your eyes to manifest crime and violence in our urban communities, there is nothing I can say that will make a difference

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Wendy LaRiviere's avatar

So, it's TV "journalism." Why didn't you say so? You characterized the scene as "Minneapolis without police." In fact, it's Minneapolis with police, but they were absent. Where were they? Busting heads somewhere else? As Michelle Alexander says, "We need an effective system of crime prevention and control in our communities, but that is not what the current system is. This system is better designed to create crime, and a perpetual class of people labeled criminals."

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tom mitchell's avatar

Yes, there has long been an east-west block in Spanish Harlem that is its own "Little Italy." No police needed at all. It is ethnically homogeneous, however, which is often a characteristic of self-regulating communities.

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Stxbuck's avatar

ThatтАЩs where the Luchese or Genovese crime family maintained their clubhouse for years after the composition of the rest of East Harlem switched from Italian to mostly Latino......

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tom mitchell's avatar

Jimmy Breslin, who sometimes described himself as the spouse of "the former Rosemarie D'Attolico" - not sure spelling-- would write articles about "Un Occhio," a man who ran a candy store in that neighborhood; it never had any candy for sale.

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L.A. Sanchez's avatar

You mean like the citizen тАЬjournalismтАЭ on IG? 30sec of carefully edited video posted to support one narrow viewpoint? What happens the 5 or even 1min BEFORE that? What is the scene? What is happening off camera? Do i need to state the obvious: murder is murder and murder is wrong. Now tell me how shooting ANYONE (even a cop) in the back of the head is justified. Check follows & followers on IG or Twitter to get your answer

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Wendy LaRiviere's avatar

Oh. It's TV "journalism." Why didn't you say so. You characterized the scene as "Minneapolis without police." In fact, it's Minneapolis with police, but they were somewhere else. Where were they? Busting heads somewhere else?

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L.A. Sanchez's avatar

I recvd email stating this was reply to my post. You write тАЬMinneapolisтАЭ in quotes when i did not mention it or any other city. The rest of your post above does not apply either. Maybe someone else.

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HiggsBosonSlut's avatar

I'd invite you to read www.dunwalke.com where Catherine A. Fitts documents prisons for profit (this section - https://dillonreadandco.com/cornell-corrections/) as well as loads of political and corporate malfeasance that Mr. Taibbi would be well acquainted with.

On a recent Joe Rogan podcast Jocko Willink talked about how little the police actually get to drill tough scenarios and, while not an excuse, it can be seen as at least a partial reason why things escalate so badly. Another interview with ex Mr Universe Ronnie Coleman, who was a cop, talks about some of what was wrong from his perspective.

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DW's avatar

Exactly. Defunding the police and making less lethal forms of force illegal (e.g. chokehold) will result in a less trained, less equipped police force with less options at their disposal to avoid deadly force. The end result will be an increase in police related fatalities. Jocko makes the case that police departments actually need more funding to train more and hire higher quality individuals for the job. I completely agree.

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