1. Violated campaign finance law when he paid hush money to a porn start with campaign funds in order to win an election. (His lawyer is in jail for this crime, and he would be too if he didn't win the election)
2. Obstruction of justice in the Mueller investigation when he asked Comey to "let Flynn go" and to be "loyal" to him and then fired Comey based on false pretenses to "lift the cloud" of the Russia investigation and admitted this on live television as well as to the Russian ambassador in the oval office. He also ordered the removal of Mueller but his lawyer thought that was "crazy shit" and did not follow the order. He also dangled pardons to Manafort and Flynn. He also made false accounts of the Trump Tower meeting where is inner circle met with Russians to get dirt on Clinton. And if you don't think this is obstruction, you're not just arguing against me, you're saying that thousands of federal prosecutors put their name on the record saying that these actions do indeed constitute obstruction. Mueller also said that Congress needed to take up these charges because he could not do it himself.
3. He violated Corrupt Practices Act when he used foreign policy to pressure and ask for a "favor" from a foreign government to investigate his political rival. He essentially set up a shadow foreign policy operation through Giuliani.
4. He is currently obstructing justice in an impeachment inquiry by ignoring subpoenas. (This was one of the articles of impeachment against Nixon)
Your list of "crimes" committed by Donald Trump are baseless and absurd, they are simply Democratic Party/Leftist Media talking points that anyone with an ounce of integrity would be embarrassed to repeat.
1. Michael Cohen plead guilty to the so-called election campaign finance violation as part of a plea bargain Cohen cut with the DOJ when he agreed to "flip" on Trump. A similar case between the Justice Department and John Edwards, a former senator from North Carolina, accused the presidential candidate of using illegal campaign contributions to conceal an affair during his 2008 presidential run, he argued the money was meant to hide his mistress from his wife, not to influence the election. A jury acquitted him of one charge and deadlocked on the rest. People in this country, including President Trump, are innocent until proven guilty. I guess in a country run by corrupt Democrats that legal foundation is in peril.
2. There wasnтАЩt a тАЬMueller InvestigationтАЭ until after Comey was fired, on the advice of Acting AG Rod Rosenstein, and was based on damning information revealed in Inspector General HorowitzтАЩs review of ComeyтАЩs handling of the Clinton email тАЬmatter.тАЭ Neither the president, nor the American public, were aware of a criminal investigation against Trump тАУ so, how can one тАЬobstructтАЭ an investigation that was not happening? The answer for low IQ Democrats is itтАЩs not possible тАУ no crime no obstruction.
3. Read the transcript of the call again, if you even bothered reading it at all, low IQ Democrats simply repeat the PartyтАЩs talking points, there is absolutely no quid pro quo.
Hunter Biden, a man who was kicked out of the Navy for drug abuse (heтАЩs a crack cocaine) and son of VP Biden, was being paid, as recently as a few months ago, $50,000 per month for sitting on the board of a Ukrainian energy company, owned by Ukrainian oligarchs, with zero qualifications, except that his father was ObamaтАЩs point person for Ukraine. That no-show position was worth several million dollars over 5 +/- years.
Did you forget the video and audio of former VP Biden bragging about how he was able to get a Ukrainian prosecutor fired by using the threat of withholding a $1 billion American loan as leverage? Not incidental is the fact the fired prosecutor was planning on interviewing Hunter Biden as part of an anti-corruption probe into the company where Hunter Biden was being paid millions of dollars. The sad fact that you show zero interest in anything except anti-Trump propaganda is a damning inditement against your integrity, ethics, and lack of common decency. Your partyтАЩs interests over the interests of justice, and American national security тАУ truly disgusting behavior, but, typical of the Clinton/Obama Democratic Party.
4. The so-called impeachment inquiry has no basis in law and is an obscene abuse of power by a small group of Democrats led by Nancy Pelosi. In our countryтАЩs 240-year history only two presidents have been impeached, and one, Nixon, resigned the Presidency before he was impeached.
However, in each of the three instances the full House of Representatives voted prior to launching an official impeachment inquiry. Once a majority of House members voted in favor of beginning the process rules were established to provide both sides with subpoena powers, ability to call and question witnesses, and other procedures that were meant to protect the rights of the accused.
These procedures form the foundation of American justice. Apparently, to rabid Democratic Party zealots, like yourself, equal protection under the law doesnтАЩt apply to President Trump, his associates, his family, nor to his supporters.
1. Cohen plead guilty not to a "so called" crime. He led guilty to a crime. And "individual 1" directed him to commit this crime. I will concede Trump, like Edwards is not "guilty" of the crime, because he has not been prosecuted for it, because he's president. Of Edwards won, my same arguments would apply. Doesn't change the fact that both of these men took illegal actions. We can't use Edward's trial to quit Trump. That's not how low works.
2. The Russian investigation was started prior to the the Mueller investigation. Mueller was appointed as special prosecutor because Session recused due to the fact he was involved with the campaign. That letter was a cover. Trump himself admitted that the letter sent was based on false pretenses when he publicly admitted the real reason he fired Comey. Mueller said in the report that all of his actions are all worthy of conclusions and that Congress should do so.
3. There is more to the current situation than the transcript of the call. That is the tip of the iceberg. All the people testifying this week have started to fill in the wholes about this concerted effort to extract personal favors from Ukraine. The Biden acting through an official government channel and was trying to remove a prosecutor who was not taking corruption seriously. He was fired as a way to use American influence to change their corrupt ways.
Complete opposite. If there was actually any evidence that Biden did this to protect his son, then I'd be all ears. Right now, it is just a way to point to something else to avoid what we do have clear evidence on with Trump.
4. Your claims of due process in a House impeachment inquiry have no basis in law. Show me the section of the constitution, statute or House rules that says they need to provide a full vote? If Trump wants to trample our democratic norms, he can't cry over House procedure that doesn't even exist. Could the dems follow tradition and hold a floor vote? Sure. Do they have to? No. The constitution provides due process during the Senate trial where Trump will be allowed to call all the witnesses they want. At this point, they just want to collect the record of facts in the investigation. He'll have his day(s) in court.
I will concede that all of these things I'm bringing up are not charges that have been prosecuted (yet). The fact that he is president makes this a very different situation. But nothing I have said here reflects someone who is low IQ. I am simply looking at the public record. Anyone who breaks the law should be held accountable.
Point 1 you concede is bullshit. Trump was never charged with, nor found guilty of, committing any campaign finance violations. Point 2. Comey was fired for a myriad of reasons, including findings of the Inspector General's investigation. Comey exonerated Clinton before she was interviewed, usurped the authority of the DOJ/AG, and then reopened the investigations just days before the election - Comey was a bad cop, his firing was the right move. Point 3: When specific rules are not in place the House of Representatives are required to use precedents as the guideline. The two previous impeachment inquires were launched AFTER the full House of Representatives had an opportunity to vote. This point reveals your lack of integrity because you know full well that Pelosi doesn't want a vote because it isn't politically favorable to her party. Why are you okay with allowing Adam Schiff to run a secret trial in the basement of Congress without allowing access to the information on the other side of the aisle. The previous two impeachments were not run like this shitshow. Your lack of honor disgusts me. You leftists are fascists. I don't need to go through your other bullshit points because frankly you're too stupid to get it anyway.
PS: it's not even a "impeachment" at this point; it's unofficial, never been voted on, and really just a cheap ploy to throw shade before the lose yet another election because they are incompetent shills.
Again, they're hogging up all of the oxygen in the room just to win political points.
Bingo! Blind followers who would rather remove the rule of law and supplant it with... a fascist national socialist dictatorship. So progressive that they're riffling on politics of the early 1930s to take an "undesirable" out of office.
Scott...a little history here.You keep calling people names and branding branding people who disagree with you as "national socialists".....Nazis. Hitler, who was thought by Germans at the time to be stupid and clownish(ring any bells?) used the staged Reichstag Fire(1934) in order to seize emergency powers and thus took over the government.(Blind followers who...............) Unfortunately,the rest is history.Any deep state, if it existed at the time, was apparently unable to stop him.Is this kinda what you're hoping for in this country?We have a similar leader and he's attacking the government.Very similar to Germany in the 30's ....think about it.I hope you don't get too comfortable mouthing that Nazi salute.
I'm not branding anyone. I keep hammering home the point that to forgo due process and rely on the CIA and sleazy political actors is the beginning of a very bad trend toward... National Socialism.
Sure, I've thrown "Seig, heils!" in, because the fervor with which remove-Trump-no-matter-the-cost people arguing CNN talking points is cheering on governmental abuse.
Yes, I see the very obvious and Hitleresque features of how Trump generally operates and won that election.
I don't support him or the no-brain followers who are looking to him for perpetuation of racism and institutionalized oppression of minorities.
Honestly though... we see him coming from a mile away because he's pretty reliably yucky.
That, to me is less of a threat than shadowy intelligence bureaucrats and other key players in established political circles staging soft coup after soft coup.
We can vote his stupid ass out of office. Problem solved.
We can't vote the spying, cheating and demonstrably insipid intelligence goons out of office; they're appointed.
I don't like him. I didn't vote for him.
I don't want him removed illegally though.
I'm not willing to go THAT far to get what I want, because it's not about ME. It's about preserving the institutions we VOTE for. The candidates are cherry picked, yes, but there are at least checks and balances in place to give us the power to change something, anything.
I cannot support these overt coup attempts. All I see is incompetence and a colossal waste of everybody's time when the DNC SHOULD be preparing a viable candidate for the 2020 run.
That they're not is really telling. They're going to try and throw shade all over the election and they'll get him re-elected out of their monumental ignorance.
The DNC has failed us, themselves and everyone else who didn't vote for this idiot Trump.
You are completely ignoring the context of these crimes. That matters in a court of law. Just because you can justify ComeyтАЩs firing in some way, it does not mean that TrumpтАЩs public admission of his motive becomes irrelevant. Are you okay with literally EVERY prosecutor at EVERY level of government secretly investigating crimes? Imagine if law enforcement invited every suspect to participate in investigations against then prior to charges being filed. It would be very hard for witnesses to give reliable testimony when everyone knows what everyone else says. You seem to know a lot about partisan politics. Maybe start looking into out legal system a little closer.
I suppose two and a half years of an investigation, 500 witnesses interviewed, 40,000 documents pored over and over fifty people detained or arrested in connection with this and STILL not even a CASE was presented doesn't prove to you that it was BS and a scam.
You think you know the legal system, but it's pretty clear that even the nation's top-level criminal justice professionals couldn't get an actual case going but because it didn't suit the way you voted... it's just a one-off thing?
I think youтАЩre referring to the Mueller Investigation. IтАЩm referring to the impeachment inquiry. Totally different process. One is through DOJ one is through Congress. ThatтАЩs why itтАЩs an тАЬinquiryтАЭ. This functions as fact finding and witness depositions. IF there is enough evident they will VOTE to impeach. And then the President gets a due process Senate trial. I do know law. Maybe you should do some research.
If it seems more likely to be another failed attempt to suck the air out of the room before an election... it probably IS.
Seems that way to me. If they had anything, they'd have moved forward already. What, Adam Schiff is our magic man? He's a cunt, and you know it.
A lying, cheating puppet.
Just listen to anything he's said in the past three years for a start. Tell me you trust him or would be happy working for him. The man looks like he sniffs his own socks before bed.
"a damning inditement against your integrity, ethics, and lack of common decency."
Give me a break. Are you serious with this? It seems like you're putting in a lot of effort trying to talk away what is right in front of everyone's eyes by using "whataboutism" and name calling. And you have the balls to judge my integrity. That says something about your character, pal.
PS: Just because you voted for someone doesn't mean you have to blindly defend them or take it personal when they get themselves into legal trouble. You should be disappointed that the man you thought would help the country actually turned out to be much more selfish and corrupt than you imagined. I really thought he might be able to move things towards helping the working class again by disrupting the cozy elites, but that wish is long gone. His only legislative accomplishment is air dropping a trillion dollars onto the billionaire class. Sad.
Yes, I agree. IтАЩm not political. IтАЩm just trying to understand things better and engage in civil discourse. Stating things like тАЬoh, like ObamaтАЭ just shows that you are the partisan one.
Name the felonies.
Brennan can't, because his conclusions were based on bad intel......https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/mar/25/john-brennan-ex-cia-chief-offers-mea-culpa-on-trum/
"That was BAD, intelligence... very bad!"
"Sorry."
1. Violated campaign finance law when he paid hush money to a porn start with campaign funds in order to win an election. (His lawyer is in jail for this crime, and he would be too if he didn't win the election)
2. Obstruction of justice in the Mueller investigation when he asked Comey to "let Flynn go" and to be "loyal" to him and then fired Comey based on false pretenses to "lift the cloud" of the Russia investigation and admitted this on live television as well as to the Russian ambassador in the oval office. He also ordered the removal of Mueller but his lawyer thought that was "crazy shit" and did not follow the order. He also dangled pardons to Manafort and Flynn. He also made false accounts of the Trump Tower meeting where is inner circle met with Russians to get dirt on Clinton. And if you don't think this is obstruction, you're not just arguing against me, you're saying that thousands of federal prosecutors put their name on the record saying that these actions do indeed constitute obstruction. Mueller also said that Congress needed to take up these charges because he could not do it himself.
3. He violated Corrupt Practices Act when he used foreign policy to pressure and ask for a "favor" from a foreign government to investigate his political rival. He essentially set up a shadow foreign policy operation through Giuliani.
4. He is currently obstructing justice in an impeachment inquiry by ignoring subpoenas. (This was one of the articles of impeachment against Nixon)
Your list of "crimes" committed by Donald Trump are baseless and absurd, they are simply Democratic Party/Leftist Media talking points that anyone with an ounce of integrity would be embarrassed to repeat.
1. Michael Cohen plead guilty to the so-called election campaign finance violation as part of a plea bargain Cohen cut with the DOJ when he agreed to "flip" on Trump. A similar case between the Justice Department and John Edwards, a former senator from North Carolina, accused the presidential candidate of using illegal campaign contributions to conceal an affair during his 2008 presidential run, he argued the money was meant to hide his mistress from his wife, not to influence the election. A jury acquitted him of one charge and deadlocked on the rest. People in this country, including President Trump, are innocent until proven guilty. I guess in a country run by corrupt Democrats that legal foundation is in peril.
2. There wasnтАЩt a тАЬMueller InvestigationтАЭ until after Comey was fired, on the advice of Acting AG Rod Rosenstein, and was based on damning information revealed in Inspector General HorowitzтАЩs review of ComeyтАЩs handling of the Clinton email тАЬmatter.тАЭ Neither the president, nor the American public, were aware of a criminal investigation against Trump тАУ so, how can one тАЬobstructтАЭ an investigation that was not happening? The answer for low IQ Democrats is itтАЩs not possible тАУ no crime no obstruction.
3. Read the transcript of the call again, if you even bothered reading it at all, low IQ Democrats simply repeat the PartyтАЩs talking points, there is absolutely no quid pro quo.
Hunter Biden, a man who was kicked out of the Navy for drug abuse (heтАЩs a crack cocaine) and son of VP Biden, was being paid, as recently as a few months ago, $50,000 per month for sitting on the board of a Ukrainian energy company, owned by Ukrainian oligarchs, with zero qualifications, except that his father was ObamaтАЩs point person for Ukraine. That no-show position was worth several million dollars over 5 +/- years.
Did you forget the video and audio of former VP Biden bragging about how he was able to get a Ukrainian prosecutor fired by using the threat of withholding a $1 billion American loan as leverage? Not incidental is the fact the fired prosecutor was planning on interviewing Hunter Biden as part of an anti-corruption probe into the company where Hunter Biden was being paid millions of dollars. The sad fact that you show zero interest in anything except anti-Trump propaganda is a damning inditement against your integrity, ethics, and lack of common decency. Your partyтАЩs interests over the interests of justice, and American national security тАУ truly disgusting behavior, but, typical of the Clinton/Obama Democratic Party.
4. The so-called impeachment inquiry has no basis in law and is an obscene abuse of power by a small group of Democrats led by Nancy Pelosi. In our countryтАЩs 240-year history only two presidents have been impeached, and one, Nixon, resigned the Presidency before he was impeached.
However, in each of the three instances the full House of Representatives voted prior to launching an official impeachment inquiry. Once a majority of House members voted in favor of beginning the process rules were established to provide both sides with subpoena powers, ability to call and question witnesses, and other procedures that were meant to protect the rights of the accused.
These procedures form the foundation of American justice. Apparently, to rabid Democratic Party zealots, like yourself, equal protection under the law doesnтАЩt apply to President Trump, his associates, his family, nor to his supporters.
1. Cohen plead guilty not to a "so called" crime. He led guilty to a crime. And "individual 1" directed him to commit this crime. I will concede Trump, like Edwards is not "guilty" of the crime, because he has not been prosecuted for it, because he's president. Of Edwards won, my same arguments would apply. Doesn't change the fact that both of these men took illegal actions. We can't use Edward's trial to quit Trump. That's not how low works.
2. The Russian investigation was started prior to the the Mueller investigation. Mueller was appointed as special prosecutor because Session recused due to the fact he was involved with the campaign. That letter was a cover. Trump himself admitted that the letter sent was based on false pretenses when he publicly admitted the real reason he fired Comey. Mueller said in the report that all of his actions are all worthy of conclusions and that Congress should do so.
3. There is more to the current situation than the transcript of the call. That is the tip of the iceberg. All the people testifying this week have started to fill in the wholes about this concerted effort to extract personal favors from Ukraine. The Biden acting through an official government channel and was trying to remove a prosecutor who was not taking corruption seriously. He was fired as a way to use American influence to change their corrupt ways.
Complete opposite. If there was actually any evidence that Biden did this to protect his son, then I'd be all ears. Right now, it is just a way to point to something else to avoid what we do have clear evidence on with Trump.
4. Your claims of due process in a House impeachment inquiry have no basis in law. Show me the section of the constitution, statute or House rules that says they need to provide a full vote? If Trump wants to trample our democratic norms, he can't cry over House procedure that doesn't even exist. Could the dems follow tradition and hold a floor vote? Sure. Do they have to? No. The constitution provides due process during the Senate trial where Trump will be allowed to call all the witnesses they want. At this point, they just want to collect the record of facts in the investigation. He'll have his day(s) in court.
I will concede that all of these things I'm bringing up are not charges that have been prosecuted (yet). The fact that he is president makes this a very different situation. But nothing I have said here reflects someone who is low IQ. I am simply looking at the public record. Anyone who breaks the law should be held accountable.
Point 1 you concede is bullshit. Trump was never charged with, nor found guilty of, committing any campaign finance violations. Point 2. Comey was fired for a myriad of reasons, including findings of the Inspector General's investigation. Comey exonerated Clinton before she was interviewed, usurped the authority of the DOJ/AG, and then reopened the investigations just days before the election - Comey was a bad cop, his firing was the right move. Point 3: When specific rules are not in place the House of Representatives are required to use precedents as the guideline. The two previous impeachment inquires were launched AFTER the full House of Representatives had an opportunity to vote. This point reveals your lack of integrity because you know full well that Pelosi doesn't want a vote because it isn't politically favorable to her party. Why are you okay with allowing Adam Schiff to run a secret trial in the basement of Congress without allowing access to the information on the other side of the aisle. The previous two impeachments were not run like this shitshow. Your lack of honor disgusts me. You leftists are fascists. I don't need to go through your other bullshit points because frankly you're too stupid to get it anyway.
PS: it's not even a "impeachment" at this point; it's unofficial, never been voted on, and really just a cheap ploy to throw shade before the lose yet another election because they are incompetent shills.
Again, they're hogging up all of the oxygen in the room just to win political points.
They'll lose.
Bingo! Blind followers who would rather remove the rule of law and supplant it with... a fascist national socialist dictatorship. So progressive that they're riffling on politics of the early 1930s to take an "undesirable" out of office.
Real nice. Seig... HEIL!
Scott...a little history here.You keep calling people names and branding branding people who disagree with you as "national socialists".....Nazis. Hitler, who was thought by Germans at the time to be stupid and clownish(ring any bells?) used the staged Reichstag Fire(1934) in order to seize emergency powers and thus took over the government.(Blind followers who...............) Unfortunately,the rest is history.Any deep state, if it existed at the time, was apparently unable to stop him.Is this kinda what you're hoping for in this country?We have a similar leader and he's attacking the government.Very similar to Germany in the 30's ....think about it.I hope you don't get too comfortable mouthing that Nazi salute.
I'm not branding anyone. I keep hammering home the point that to forgo due process and rely on the CIA and sleazy political actors is the beginning of a very bad trend toward... National Socialism.
Sure, I've thrown "Seig, heils!" in, because the fervor with which remove-Trump-no-matter-the-cost people arguing CNN talking points is cheering on governmental abuse.
Yes, I see the very obvious and Hitleresque features of how Trump generally operates and won that election.
I don't support him or the no-brain followers who are looking to him for perpetuation of racism and institutionalized oppression of minorities.
Honestly though... we see him coming from a mile away because he's pretty reliably yucky.
That, to me is less of a threat than shadowy intelligence bureaucrats and other key players in established political circles staging soft coup after soft coup.
We can vote his stupid ass out of office. Problem solved.
We can't vote the spying, cheating and demonstrably insipid intelligence goons out of office; they're appointed.
I don't like him. I didn't vote for him.
I don't want him removed illegally though.
I'm not willing to go THAT far to get what I want, because it's not about ME. It's about preserving the institutions we VOTE for. The candidates are cherry picked, yes, but there are at least checks and balances in place to give us the power to change something, anything.
I cannot support these overt coup attempts. All I see is incompetence and a colossal waste of everybody's time when the DNC SHOULD be preparing a viable candidate for the 2020 run.
That they're not is really telling. They're going to try and throw shade all over the election and they'll get him re-elected out of their monumental ignorance.
The DNC has failed us, themselves and everyone else who didn't vote for this idiot Trump.
You are completely ignoring the context of these crimes. That matters in a court of law. Just because you can justify ComeyтАЩs firing in some way, it does not mean that TrumpтАЩs public admission of his motive becomes irrelevant. Are you okay with literally EVERY prosecutor at EVERY level of government secretly investigating crimes? Imagine if law enforcement invited every suspect to participate in investigations against then prior to charges being filed. It would be very hard for witnesses to give reliable testimony when everyone knows what everyone else says. You seem to know a lot about partisan politics. Maybe start looking into out legal system a little closer.
Your analysis of House rules is also aspirational and not grounded in law.
I suppose two and a half years of an investigation, 500 witnesses interviewed, 40,000 documents pored over and over fifty people detained or arrested in connection with this and STILL not even a CASE was presented doesn't prove to you that it was BS and a scam.
You think you know the legal system, but it's pretty clear that even the nation's top-level criminal justice professionals couldn't get an actual case going but because it didn't suit the way you voted... it's just a one-off thing?
You're out of your mind.
I think youтАЩre referring to the Mueller Investigation. IтАЩm referring to the impeachment inquiry. Totally different process. One is through DOJ one is through Congress. ThatтАЩs why itтАЩs an тАЬinquiryтАЭ. This functions as fact finding and witness depositions. IF there is enough evident they will VOTE to impeach. And then the President gets a due process Senate trial. I do know law. Maybe you should do some research.
I don't believe they ever WILL vote on it.
If it seems more likely to be another failed attempt to suck the air out of the room before an election... it probably IS.
Seems that way to me. If they had anything, they'd have moved forward already. What, Adam Schiff is our magic man? He's a cunt, and you know it.
A lying, cheating puppet.
Just listen to anything he's said in the past three years for a start. Tell me you trust him or would be happy working for him. The man looks like he sniffs his own socks before bed.
"a damning inditement against your integrity, ethics, and lack of common decency."
Give me a break. Are you serious with this? It seems like you're putting in a lot of effort trying to talk away what is right in front of everyone's eyes by using "whataboutism" and name calling. And you have the balls to judge my integrity. That says something about your character, pal.
PS: Just because you voted for someone doesn't mean you have to blindly defend them or take it personal when they get themselves into legal trouble. You should be disappointed that the man you thought would help the country actually turned out to be much more selfish and corrupt than you imagined. I really thought he might be able to move things towards helping the working class again by disrupting the cozy elites, but that wish is long gone. His only legislative accomplishment is air dropping a trillion dollars onto the billionaire class. Sad.
Oh, like Obama?
Yes, I agree. IтАЩm not political. IтАЩm just trying to understand things better and engage in civil discourse. Stating things like тАЬoh, like ObamaтАЭ just shows that you are the partisan one.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/mar/25/john-brennan-ex-cia-chief-offers-mea-culpa-on-trum/