my bracketed remark reflects the fact that pipe bombs and Molotov cocktails and zip ties and guns were brought to the capitol last week, by right-wingers, and when liberals protested Kavanaugh's nomination, when the BLM protests came to Washington, they were not similarly armed. what is frankly the problem is that conservatives have fetishized guns to the point where they refuse to participate in any talk of gun safety laws except to shout, "F--- off, keep your hands off my guns!"
our country did not burn all summer. that's ridiculous. there were a few violent outbursts during the BLM demonstrations, but your exaggeration is just not true. In New York, by the way, when there was a demonstration on Canal Street near the Manhattan Bridge, a group of SUVs pulled up in front of some stores on lower Broadway, a bunch of guys got out, smashed windows and looted, then got in their cars and took off. The police, a couple of hundred yards to the south, watching the demonstrators, who were peaceful, paid the looters no attention. This happened in several cities. it was, in any case, nothing remotely comparable to the armed insurrection, instigated by the President, of last week.
dunno. never heard such declarations. anyway, the overwhelming majority of demonstrations were peaceful. I saw them on every network, all over the internet, and in my neighborhood in Brooklyn, constantly.
ItтАЩs irrelevant how many peaceful demonstrations there were, you are the one claiming that youтАЩve done the research and there werenтАЩt hundreds of declared riots, despite not even knowing what a declared riot is.
So I will hold your hand and spoon feed you the information even further, and maybe youтАЩll choose to be honest at some point.
This is just Portland, and just 3 months of last year, 27 declared riots. Now, once again, actually go fo some research.
Yes, and this very article states: "To be sure, demonstrations were violent or destructive in about 220 locations"
Did you even bother to read it? This is the point where you admit that my initial statement that there were hundreds of declared riots was absolutely true, and you were wrong to say that it was not.
Again...you're wearing blinders. The rest of us can recall the BLM/Antifa violence from 2020. You obviously chose not to pay attention(or the channel you were watching chose not to pay attention)
That is a seriously childish perspective. There were at least 30 deaths, thousands of injuries, billions of dollars of damage caused by the BLM/Antifa riots. There were deliberate ambushes of law enforcement with specific intent to kill and maim, repeated attempts to burn a Federal courthouse, successful arson attacks against multiple police installations, thousands of small businesses looted, many to never re-open.
What is wrong with you - even MSM can't be blamed for such an obtuse viewpoint.
This is a classic example of what is wrong with the media specifically and leftists in general.
Even if we take the data at face value (a decision that would have to follow far more thorough investigation into the ACLED for both bias and their definition of a "protest") are you so innumerate that you don't realize that the article confirms 542 violent protests?
If someone threw 100 punches at you but only hit you 7 times would that be a non violent confrontation? You apparently think so.
The main argument is that both media sides spew propaganda. Each side of the "consumers" are convinced they are hearing TRUTH while the other side are lemmings and idiots.
Well, you are having to defend yourself a lot VinegarHill and I don't like piling on. But let me ask you about some aspects of MSNBC propaganda that are particularly easy to discern, and should concern any Democrat -- namely the promotion of former spooks, neocons and authoritarians of the "former justice department/CIA/military official" types in heavy rotation on those shows. WTF, and all of Bush Jr.'s clown posse, including his former mouthpiece/Irag war bully Nicole Wallace. Or that great promoter of Alaska's own mamma Grizzly Bear for a #2 spot next to the Oval -- Steve Schmidt.
Let's also consider an editorial arc that occurred not many moons ago, wherein Michael Avenatti was being groomed as a Democratic presidential hopeful and James Comey was being rehabilitated (by Democrats?!?), during that greater "metoo" arc of liberal RECKONING which brought us from Harvey Weinstein to Al Franken to the Kavanaugh hearings.
Now, it took me all of five minutes -- at that time -- to google up numerous public record examples of why Michael Avenatti shouldn't have been taken seriously by anybody, shouldn't have been on TV and should in fact have been in jail. Why couldn't any of the well-paid staff at MSNBC have spent the same five minutes? Google, that's all I had, not the search capabilities available to any NBC producer.
Why serve up a sleazy crook as a champion? Bigger one: why the platform for all these neocons and warmongers on the "liberal TV channel"? We're not talking equal time, we're talking 50+% of the guests on any given broadcast. Why the "trust the experts" crap, whitewashing the numerous bad deeds of the great drone pilot/deporter in chief Barack Obama? Why all the smoke, screaming, misdirects?
One last question, in what universe was Rachel Maddow ever a journalists? She's smart and entertaining, for sure, but she never was a journalist. Hence her epic podcast on Spiro Agnew, which somehow missed his role in creating and promoting the Southern Strategy, at a time when Nixon and his people were worried about alienating the Rockefeller liberals and the black voters who were still a force in the Republican Party? Journalists don't miss those things.
if you believe "our country burned all summer" then you were ignoring what actually happened and listening to the president and Fox News. it just did not happen. in real life.
We literally saw it happen. A CNN journalist stood in front of a burning building and (laughably) said that the protests were тАЬmostly peaceful.тАЭ
We saw first person accounts...videos from protests where people were heavily armed. ThereтАЩs a death count.
Even the source you shared puts the number of protests that turned violent and/or led to destruction over 500. ThatтАЩs A LOT of violence and destruction.
Congress just passed a new stimulus bill with BILLIONS of dollars allocated to rebuild cities and businesses destroyed by...something youтАЩre claiming тАЬjust did not happen in real life.тАЭ
Phew! IтАЩm sure lawmakers and taxpayers will be thrilled to hear that!! Call up your congressperson and let them know that this violence and destruction never happened so we can get our billions of dollars back!!
Sigh-- your bracketed throw away is patronizing and frankly the problem
my bracketed remark reflects the fact that pipe bombs and Molotov cocktails and zip ties and guns were brought to the capitol last week, by right-wingers, and when liberals protested Kavanaugh's nomination, when the BLM protests came to Washington, they were not similarly armed. what is frankly the problem is that conservatives have fetishized guns to the point where they refuse to participate in any talk of gun safety laws except to shout, "F--- off, keep your hands off my guns!"
My god...our country burned all summer. But you're right...none of them had zip ties.
our country did not burn all summer. that's ridiculous. there were a few violent outbursts during the BLM demonstrations, but your exaggeration is just not true. In New York, by the way, when there was a demonstration on Canal Street near the Manhattan Bridge, a group of SUVs pulled up in front of some stores on lower Broadway, a bunch of guys got out, smashed windows and looted, then got in their cars and took off. The police, a couple of hundred yards to the south, watching the demonstrators, who were peaceful, paid the looters no attention. This happened in several cities. it was, in any case, nothing remotely comparable to the armed insurrection, instigated by the President, of last week.
There were literally hundreds of declared riots. Do a bit of research.
Thanks. I have. There were not. ("Declared?" Declared by whom?)
Have a go, see if you can figure it out for yourself. Who do you think normally declares riots?
dunno. never heard such declarations. anyway, the overwhelming majority of demonstrations were peaceful. I saw them on every network, all over the internet, and in my neighborhood in Brooklyn, constantly.
ItтАЩs irrelevant how many peaceful demonstrations there were, you are the one claiming that youтАЩve done the research and there werenтАЩt hundreds of declared riots, despite not even knowing what a declared riot is.
So I will hold your hand and spoon feed you the information even further, and maybe youтАЩll choose to be honest at some point.
This is just Portland, and just 3 months of last year, 27 declared riots. Now, once again, actually go fo some research.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/08/31/portland-declared-riots-george-floyds-death/
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/nation/2020/10/24/trump-claims-blm-protests-violent-but-majority-peaceful/3640564001/
Yes, and this very article states: "To be sure, demonstrations were violent or destructive in about 220 locations"
Did you even bother to read it? This is the point where you admit that my initial statement that there were hundreds of declared riots was absolutely true, and you were wrong to say that it was not.
Again...you're wearing blinders. The rest of us can recall the BLM/Antifa violence from 2020. You obviously chose not to pay attention(or the channel you were watching chose not to pay attention)
That is a seriously childish perspective. There were at least 30 deaths, thousands of injuries, billions of dollars of damage caused by the BLM/Antifa riots. There were deliberate ambushes of law enforcement with specific intent to kill and maim, repeated attempts to burn a Federal courthouse, successful arson attacks against multiple police installations, thousands of small businesses looted, many to never re-open.
What is wrong with you - even MSM can't be blamed for such an obtuse viewpoint.
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/nation/2020/10/24/trump-claims-blm-protests-violent-but-majority-peaceful/3640564001/
This is a classic example of what is wrong with the media specifically and leftists in general.
Even if we take the data at face value (a decision that would have to follow far more thorough investigation into the ACLED for both bias and their definition of a "protest") are you so innumerate that you don't realize that the article confirms 542 violent protests?
If someone threw 100 punches at you but only hit you 7 times would that be a non violent confrontation? You apparently think so.
No, it's a classic example of why nobody should ever listen to VinegarShill again.
Classic cherrypicking but only using ONE stupid article from USA TODAY.
Their programming must be so strong that all they need is a flimsy bit of shit-reporting from USA Today.
This must be Ralph Dratman's alt account.
You are clearly very agitated. Breathe. We are all living in stressful times. Think about getting some relief.
Sigh -- I'm fine, thanks. Just a little tired of the "Is the ocean wet? Views differ" style of argument. Both sides are not the same.
I ask you, respectfully, to consider your definition of "side." I don't view myself as being on a side. I'm just a citizen trying to live my life.
The main argument is that both media sides spew propaganda. Each side of the "consumers" are convinced they are hearing TRUTH while the other side are lemmings and idiots.
Nice to see a post from you that isn't yelling (without caps) ЁЯТЧ
I never yell. and don't use caps.
Well, you are having to defend yourself a lot VinegarHill and I don't like piling on. But let me ask you about some aspects of MSNBC propaganda that are particularly easy to discern, and should concern any Democrat -- namely the promotion of former spooks, neocons and authoritarians of the "former justice department/CIA/military official" types in heavy rotation on those shows. WTF, and all of Bush Jr.'s clown posse, including his former mouthpiece/Irag war bully Nicole Wallace. Or that great promoter of Alaska's own mamma Grizzly Bear for a #2 spot next to the Oval -- Steve Schmidt.
Let's also consider an editorial arc that occurred not many moons ago, wherein Michael Avenatti was being groomed as a Democratic presidential hopeful and James Comey was being rehabilitated (by Democrats?!?), during that greater "metoo" arc of liberal RECKONING which brought us from Harvey Weinstein to Al Franken to the Kavanaugh hearings.
Now, it took me all of five minutes -- at that time -- to google up numerous public record examples of why Michael Avenatti shouldn't have been taken seriously by anybody, shouldn't have been on TV and should in fact have been in jail. Why couldn't any of the well-paid staff at MSNBC have spent the same five minutes? Google, that's all I had, not the search capabilities available to any NBC producer.
Why serve up a sleazy crook as a champion? Bigger one: why the platform for all these neocons and warmongers on the "liberal TV channel"? We're not talking equal time, we're talking 50+% of the guests on any given broadcast. Why the "trust the experts" crap, whitewashing the numerous bad deeds of the great drone pilot/deporter in chief Barack Obama? Why all the smoke, screaming, misdirects?
One last question, in what universe was Rachel Maddow ever a journalists? She's smart and entertaining, for sure, but she never was a journalist. Hence her epic podcast on Spiro Agnew, which somehow missed his role in creating and promoting the Southern Strategy, at a time when Nixon and his people were worried about alienating the Rockefeller liberals and the black voters who were still a force in the Republican Party? Journalists don't miss those things.
great
Unwise to pile on here but "Insurance costs for George Floyd riots will be most expensive in history"
https://www.insurancebusinessmag.com/us/news/breaking-news/insurance-costs-for-george-floyd-riots-will-be-most-expensive-in-history-233905.aspx
and 19 deaths
Please rethink what you understood as true.
Exactly it is SO easy to demonize when you cherry pick the examples isn't it?
if you believe "our country burned all summer" then you were ignoring what actually happened and listening to the president and Fox News. it just did not happen. in real life.
We literally saw it happen. A CNN journalist stood in front of a burning building and (laughably) said that the protests were тАЬmostly peaceful.тАЭ
We saw first person accounts...videos from protests where people were heavily armed. ThereтАЩs a death count.
Even the source you shared puts the number of protests that turned violent and/or led to destruction over 500. ThatтАЩs A LOT of violence and destruction.
Congress just passed a new stimulus bill with BILLIONS of dollars allocated to rebuild cities and businesses destroyed by...something youтАЩre claiming тАЬjust did not happen in real life.тАЭ
Phew! IтАЩm sure lawmakers and taxpayers will be thrilled to hear that!! Call up your congressperson and let them know that this violence and destruction never happened so we can get our billions of dollars back!!
"It's the Summer of Love!"
You are more brainwashed than Hitler Youth.