I mean, they utterly debunked it for anyone who pays attention. But not enough to make much difference in its serviceability for the purposes of social control. It is still used as justification for various injustices, including, to some extent, our new proxy war with RF in which we expect every Ukrainian who can fight to do so.
I think this is a bit too pessimistic. In the same vein as lab leak. Anyone who paid attention knew lab leak was very likely to be correct, and certainly wasn't "debunked". Eventually the MSM narrative couldn't hold up to the torrent from the heterodoxy and relented. It didn't "solve" any problems, but it showed that there was sufficient power to correct the narrative. A wonderful side effect of Russiagate/lab leak was introducing a whole new cadre of people into heterodox thinking especially related to the MSM.
Fair point. There was a moment when you could feel the story move on from russiagate to Trump wanting something in return for propping up Ukraine.
As to the question of lab leak vs zoonotic evolution, I think it's perfectly clear that anyone who sounds off as though it was certainly one thing or the other is full of it. The claim that "we know it didn't come from a lab" no longer works, which is good, because we don't know that.
And I would argue that Aaron Mate and Jimmy Dore both worked diligently to destroy the scam that was Russiagate.
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I mean, they utterly debunked it for anyone who pays attention. But not enough to make much difference in its serviceability for the purposes of social control. It is still used as justification for various injustices, including, to some extent, our new proxy war with RF in which we expect every Ukrainian who can fight to do so.
I think this is a bit too pessimistic. In the same vein as lab leak. Anyone who paid attention knew lab leak was very likely to be correct, and certainly wasn't "debunked". Eventually the MSM narrative couldn't hold up to the torrent from the heterodoxy and relented. It didn't "solve" any problems, but it showed that there was sufficient power to correct the narrative. A wonderful side effect of Russiagate/lab leak was introducing a whole new cadre of people into heterodox thinking especially related to the MSM.
Fair point. There was a moment when you could feel the story move on from russiagate to Trump wanting something in return for propping up Ukraine.
As to the question of lab leak vs zoonotic evolution, I think it's perfectly clear that anyone who sounds off as though it was certainly one thing or the other is full of it. The claim that "we know it didn't come from a lab" no longer works, which is good, because we don't know that.