I'm only aware of indictments for attempting to defraud the government and overturn an election, campaign finance violations, and stealing classified documents and lying / hiding and destroying evidence. None of those seem particularly similar to Kagarlitsky's case.
I know its a stretch but jailing ones opponent is the simillarity. Using laws never used before (new york), using laws not used in 100 years (jan 6) and using questionable theory in presedential power and raiding the house (fla) are poor optics at best.
Keep sticking your head in the sand while 80 million people get angrier and angrier.
It's not a stretch, it's a completely different case.
Trump committed crimes, and serious ones at that. None of your equivocations nullify that fact. Any other citizen who committed those crimes should expect to be jailed; it's how the system is *ideally supposed to work*. More importantly, when you look at the specifics of Trump's crimes, they're all things you would *really* hope the government wouldn't let slide:
- Campaign finance violations (one of the only systems standing between us and total oligarchic control)
- Intentionally stealing and retaining highly sensitive classified documents related to things like invasion plans and nuclear secrets
- Intentionally destroying evidence of same
- Conspiring to defraud the government and obstruct justice
- Conspiring to illegally nullify lawfully-cast votes toward the goal of thwarting a democratic election ("conspiracy against rights" is how the indictment puts it)
"a stretch" doesn't begin to describe the insantiy of equating that to a journalist doing their job. In what universe would a functioning government ignore those blatant acts of high criminality?
edit to add: it's worth noting that, to this day, Trump walks free despite being indicted repeatedly. Kagarlitsky, on the other hand, was shipped straight to the gulag.
In all seriousness, what a load of horseshit. You should be ashamed of yourself.
- Server containing 100s of classified documents: Believe it or not, I *will* criticize Hillary for that. I think she's a snake and I don't approve of most of her actions in general.
I don't think, however, that mishandling documents *in the pursuit of your role as Secretary of State* is remotely the same as stealing said documents *for personal use*. It's an obvious and substantial distinction.
- 1 billion dol[l]ar foundation: See above. I'm no fan of the Clinton foundation, for exactly the reasons you outlined, but that doesn't make it ILLEGAL, which is what Trump's actions were.
- Confidential d[o]cuments retained in Biden's possession: Three important distinctions: 1. Biden didn't intentionally steal the documents (at least it doesn't appear that way - in fact it's not even clear he personally knew of their existence); 2. Biden didn't attempt to illegally retain those documents once it became clear he had them; and 3. Biden's aides proactively informed the government they had the documents, as opposed to Trump who lied and hid evidence to pretend he didn't have them.
Equating those two is complete bullshit and you know it.
- 32 million dollar of payments split between son father and family from (etc): Bullshit. Where's the evidence? That's a Republican wet dream, not something that actually happened.
- 3 year failed investigation into pres[i]dent: in what sense did it fail? Would you prefer the FBI keep looking until they "found" something?
It's not like there was no smoke to imply a fire - Trump's Nation Security Adviser was arrested and sentenced as a follow-on consequence of acting as an agent of the fucking Russian government, for crying out loud. Think about that for a minute... Trump's National Security Adviser was working for the Russian government. I would say that investigation was well-merited.
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I never said the system is working as it should in general, just that Trump being prosecuted for his crimes is one specific instance where it is.
I'm not sure where you're getting that 80 million number, but any number of Americans are perfectly entitled to be morons if that suits them, yourself included.
You are ignoring the fact that i listed multiple rhings that were ignored by the same system you said is working well. The same system that has lied repeatedly on collusions , laptop and others.
You can idict a ham sandwhich is the famous saying.
Im not saying anyone is guilty or innocent im saying the perception and trend is not on the side of a clean justice department.
Simply ask this, if trump started a 1 billion dollar non profit that was getting money all over the world would it be praised or indicted
Funny trump was indicted fornthe same thing.... liberals are more like putin everyday
Which indictment was that?
I'm only aware of indictments for attempting to defraud the government and overturn an election, campaign finance violations, and stealing classified documents and lying / hiding and destroying evidence. None of those seem particularly similar to Kagarlitsky's case.
I know its a stretch but jailing ones opponent is the simillarity. Using laws never used before (new york), using laws not used in 100 years (jan 6) and using questionable theory in presedential power and raiding the house (fla) are poor optics at best.
Keep sticking your head in the sand while 80 million people get angrier and angrier.
It's not a stretch, it's a completely different case.
Trump committed crimes, and serious ones at that. None of your equivocations nullify that fact. Any other citizen who committed those crimes should expect to be jailed; it's how the system is *ideally supposed to work*. More importantly, when you look at the specifics of Trump's crimes, they're all things you would *really* hope the government wouldn't let slide:
- Campaign finance violations (one of the only systems standing between us and total oligarchic control)
- Intentionally stealing and retaining highly sensitive classified documents related to things like invasion plans and nuclear secrets
- Intentionally destroying evidence of same
- Conspiring to defraud the government and obstruct justice
- Conspiring to illegally nullify lawfully-cast votes toward the goal of thwarting a democratic election ("conspiracy against rights" is how the indictment puts it)
"a stretch" doesn't begin to describe the insantiy of equating that to a journalist doing their job. In what universe would a functioning government ignore those blatant acts of high criminality?
edit to add: it's worth noting that, to this day, Trump walks free despite being indicted repeatedly. Kagarlitsky, on the other hand, was shipped straight to the gulag.
Facts are different, intent is the same. Hold other accoubtable to things you wont hold yoir own party.
- a server containing 100s of classified materials - destroyed and bleached
- 1 billion dolar foundation formed amd unfettered payments across the globe to the sec of state ..aspiring president
- confidential dicuments located in multiple locations of current president from days as sentaor and vp
- 32 million dollars pf payments split between son father and family of president of us from china, ukraine and russia
- a 3 year failed investigation into presendent from fbi that started under false pretences
You may believe the system is working as it should but based on polls a minimum of 80 million people strongly disagree with you.
BuT wHaT aBoUt HiLlArY's EmAiLs???/?/?/
In all seriousness, what a load of horseshit. You should be ashamed of yourself.
- Server containing 100s of classified documents: Believe it or not, I *will* criticize Hillary for that. I think she's a snake and I don't approve of most of her actions in general.
I don't think, however, that mishandling documents *in the pursuit of your role as Secretary of State* is remotely the same as stealing said documents *for personal use*. It's an obvious and substantial distinction.
- 1 billion dol[l]ar foundation: See above. I'm no fan of the Clinton foundation, for exactly the reasons you outlined, but that doesn't make it ILLEGAL, which is what Trump's actions were.
- Confidential d[o]cuments retained in Biden's possession: Three important distinctions: 1. Biden didn't intentionally steal the documents (at least it doesn't appear that way - in fact it's not even clear he personally knew of their existence); 2. Biden didn't attempt to illegally retain those documents once it became clear he had them; and 3. Biden's aides proactively informed the government they had the documents, as opposed to Trump who lied and hid evidence to pretend he didn't have them.
Equating those two is complete bullshit and you know it.
- 32 million dollar of payments split between son father and family from (etc): Bullshit. Where's the evidence? That's a Republican wet dream, not something that actually happened.
- 3 year failed investigation into pres[i]dent: in what sense did it fail? Would you prefer the FBI keep looking until they "found" something?
It's not like there was no smoke to imply a fire - Trump's Nation Security Adviser was arrested and sentenced as a follow-on consequence of acting as an agent of the fucking Russian government, for crying out loud. Think about that for a minute... Trump's National Security Adviser was working for the Russian government. I would say that investigation was well-merited.
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I never said the system is working as it should in general, just that Trump being prosecuted for his crimes is one specific instance where it is.
I'm not sure where you're getting that 80 million number, but any number of Americans are perfectly entitled to be morons if that suits them, yourself included.
You are ignoring the fact that i listed multiple rhings that were ignored by the same system you said is working well. The same system that has lied repeatedly on collusions , laptop and others.
You can idict a ham sandwhich is the famous saying.
Im not saying anyone is guilty or innocent im saying the perception and trend is not on the side of a clean justice department.
Simply ask this, if trump started a 1 billion dollar non profit that was getting money all over the world would it be praised or indicted
Thats what i thought