You're treating The NY Times like a news agency and it's not.
For years, it's been Pravda for the Dim Party; a way for the inner party to communicate the new party line, for the outer party to reconcile the contradictions, and the general membership to get its two minutes of hate.
That it's now functioning as a way to send messages to foreign adversaries is no surprise. That's exactly what Pravda did for the Soviet Communist Party; put it in black and white so even the Ivy League incompetents at the CIA can't miss it.
The NY Times is the definition of fake news; nothing in it is an attempt to genuinely inform the public. Hasn't been for at least 15 years.
Anyone else worried the U of A is going to pull some crazy false flag shenanigans in order to spur an official war declaration? Worked so well a decade ago…
In The Decline of the West, Spengler says what you're thinking:
"The Press today is an army with carefully organized arms and branches, with journalists as officers, and readers as soldiers. But here, as in every army, the soldier obeys blindly, and war-aims and operation-plans change without his knowledge. The reader neither knows, nor is allowed to know, the purposes for which he is used, nor even the role that he is to play. A more appalling caricature of freedom of thought cannot be imagined. Formerly a man did not dare to think freely. Now he dares, but cannot."
Not only is there no peace movement any more without any movie stars, but all the movie stars are pro-war now. Take Mark Hamill: he has gone from supporting peace candidate George McGovern back when George McGovern ran for president in the '70s...to today cheerleading the Ukrainian (and apparently also American) forces that Russia is fighting, and comparing Russia to the Empire. It's infuriating if you don't know that Hamill used to be much better than this, and infuriating but also sad if you do.
I'm a little surprised about your confusion and consternation over the NY Times over the assassination of the Russian nationalist philosopher's daughter, particularly the consternation that the Ukraine is filled with factions acting independently of each other. When this war began, I made a concerted effort to know what's been going on in Ukraine especially since 2014. There are not only plenty of both mainstream (pre- the current self-censorship period) and independent news articles, lectures by Prof. Steven Cohen and lots of YouTube videos by both establishment and independent news, etc.
What's clear from that research we installed a coalition of right-wing nationalists in the 2014 coup where the Neo-Nazi militias were both a part of the government yet separate from it; that those groups were the violent muscle behind the coup; that at least one political assassination happened within Ukraine (I think it was 2018) and these groups had made threats to various politicians when they've made indications of considering compromise with the Russians; that the militias were formally integrated into the Ukrainian army which had before that had a problem with desertion and after that, fear and intimidation clearly must have changed the situation.
Most recently, you saw Zelensky touring a recently re-captured town and behind was a heavily armed person where you could make out the SS patch on his arm. Was that man literally part of Zelensky's security detail or a high ranking person in the army counter-offensive? Unclear, but Zelensky removed his social media post after the revelation that there was a Neo-Nazi in close physical proximity to the President.
There is also the interesting situation where Zelensky tried to fire two of his intelligence officers a couple of months ago, but there was immediate push-back to that so it wasn't clear that they stayed fired. While there is a certain amount of tea leaf reading here, it's obvious to me that factions exist in the Ukrainian and that the factions with the guns always have the real power. So, the article is simply, perhaps unintentionally, telling the truth that we've opened Pandora's Box and like Pandora have completely lost control of the evils we've released.
Question for Kirn: If you won’t learn if the girlfriend’s phone conversation will last at least thirty minutes until thirty minutes have passed, how will you know to ignore the first twenty?
It really pays off to be a religious believer right now. I know for a fact the world is not going to end anytime soon. But I derive that knowledge from faith, not from the fact that Joe Biden is in charge.
the NYT is starting to read like China’s “people’s daily”. It’s well known that the Chinese “Ministry of Culture” sends a daily fax/email to all China papers that instructs editors on what they should or shouldn’t cover. Our government might be less heavy handed but it seems like we’re following their example?
Propaganda in the 21st century is a complex game of Go that few but the practioners themselve can understand. I think stepping back and seeing this all through a lense of impartial history is the best way to understand what is happenning in Ukraine. The following video presentation helped me grasp the situation clearly:
NYT story—USA distances itself from actions taken by other actors on a USA sponsored kill list. Maybe they don't want blowback if anything happened to any US or UK citizens on that list. Roger Waters did cancel a planned concert in Poland.
Ambassador de Sadesky: The deciding factor [in creating the doomsday machine] was when we learned that your country was working along similar lines, and we were afraid of a doomsday gap.
President Muffley: This is preposterous! I never approved of anything like that!
Ambassador de Sadesky: Our source was The New York Times.
You're treating The NY Times like a news agency and it's not.
For years, it's been Pravda for the Dim Party; a way for the inner party to communicate the new party line, for the outer party to reconcile the contradictions, and the general membership to get its two minutes of hate.
That it's now functioning as a way to send messages to foreign adversaries is no surprise. That's exactly what Pravda did for the Soviet Communist Party; put it in black and white so even the Ivy League incompetents at the CIA can't miss it.
The NY Times is the definition of fake news; nothing in it is an attempt to genuinely inform the public. Hasn't been for at least 15 years.
Anyone else worried the U of A is going to pull some crazy false flag shenanigans in order to spur an official war declaration? Worked so well a decade ago…
This is all so uncomfortable. How do we maintain a moral, ethical and civil society when there is no truth, but only power and manipulation?
In The Decline of the West, Spengler says what you're thinking:
"The Press today is an army with carefully organized arms and branches, with journalists as officers, and readers as soldiers. But here, as in every army, the soldier obeys blindly, and war-aims and operation-plans change without his knowledge. The reader neither knows, nor is allowed to know, the purposes for which he is used, nor even the role that he is to play. A more appalling caricature of freedom of thought cannot be imagined. Formerly a man did not dare to think freely. Now he dares, but cannot."
Vietnam was never a declared war. Officially, the US only sent military advisers. On Christmas 1967, there were half a million of them
The NYT is an irredeemable shitrag. Has been ever since 2001.
Not only is there no peace movement any more without any movie stars, but all the movie stars are pro-war now. Take Mark Hamill: he has gone from supporting peace candidate George McGovern back when George McGovern ran for president in the '70s...to today cheerleading the Ukrainian (and apparently also American) forces that Russia is fighting, and comparing Russia to the Empire. It's infuriating if you don't know that Hamill used to be much better than this, and infuriating but also sad if you do.
I'm a little surprised about your confusion and consternation over the NY Times over the assassination of the Russian nationalist philosopher's daughter, particularly the consternation that the Ukraine is filled with factions acting independently of each other. When this war began, I made a concerted effort to know what's been going on in Ukraine especially since 2014. There are not only plenty of both mainstream (pre- the current self-censorship period) and independent news articles, lectures by Prof. Steven Cohen and lots of YouTube videos by both establishment and independent news, etc.
What's clear from that research we installed a coalition of right-wing nationalists in the 2014 coup where the Neo-Nazi militias were both a part of the government yet separate from it; that those groups were the violent muscle behind the coup; that at least one political assassination happened within Ukraine (I think it was 2018) and these groups had made threats to various politicians when they've made indications of considering compromise with the Russians; that the militias were formally integrated into the Ukrainian army which had before that had a problem with desertion and after that, fear and intimidation clearly must have changed the situation.
Most recently, you saw Zelensky touring a recently re-captured town and behind was a heavily armed person where you could make out the SS patch on his arm. Was that man literally part of Zelensky's security detail or a high ranking person in the army counter-offensive? Unclear, but Zelensky removed his social media post after the revelation that there was a Neo-Nazi in close physical proximity to the President.
There is also the interesting situation where Zelensky tried to fire two of his intelligence officers a couple of months ago, but there was immediate push-back to that so it wasn't clear that they stayed fired. While there is a certain amount of tea leaf reading here, it's obvious to me that factions exist in the Ukrainian and that the factions with the guns always have the real power. So, the article is simply, perhaps unintentionally, telling the truth that we've opened Pandora's Box and like Pandora have completely lost control of the evils we've released.
Question for Kirn: If you won’t learn if the girlfriend’s phone conversation will last at least thirty minutes until thirty minutes have passed, how will you know to ignore the first twenty?
It really pays off to be a religious believer right now. I know for a fact the world is not going to end anytime soon. But I derive that knowledge from faith, not from the fact that Joe Biden is in charge.
the NYT is starting to read like China’s “people’s daily”. It’s well known that the Chinese “Ministry of Culture” sends a daily fax/email to all China papers that instructs editors on what they should or shouldn’t cover. Our government might be less heavy handed but it seems like we’re following their example?
Propaganda in the 21st century is a complex game of Go that few but the practioners themselve can understand. I think stepping back and seeing this all through a lense of impartial history is the best way to understand what is happenning in Ukraine. The following video presentation helped me grasp the situation clearly:
https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4?t=19 - Why Ukraine is the West's Fault - Featuring John Mearsheimer
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NYT story—USA distances itself from actions taken by other actors on a USA sponsored kill list. Maybe they don't want blowback if anything happened to any US or UK citizens on that list. Roger Waters did cancel a planned concert in Poland.
You are correct. However “according to anonymous sources” means little more than gossip to me.
New York times is the new pravda
From the movie "Dr. Strangelove:"
Ambassador de Sadesky: The deciding factor [in creating the doomsday machine] was when we learned that your country was working along similar lines, and we were afraid of a doomsday gap.
President Muffley: This is preposterous! I never approved of anything like that!
Ambassador de Sadesky: Our source was The New York Times.