Do you like the system we have now? What's the difference between public schooling and public healthcare?
Nobody's afraid to fend for themselves, bud. Been doing that for about 40 years and have been through the ringer a few times. I'd simply like a government that takes care of its citizens instead of its corporate donors. I'd like my t…
Do you like the system we have now? What's the difference between public schooling and public healthcare?
Nobody's afraid to fend for themselves, bud. Been doing that for about 40 years and have been through the ringer a few times. I'd simply like a government that takes care of its citizens instead of its corporate donors. I'd like my tax dollars to make schools better and not used to prop up big business and buy more shit from Raytheon.
Past that, you're just arguing against a strawman of what universal healthcare would be. Currently, most Americans have an illusion of choice: which employer-provided care will I choose? Which doctors are in that network? Some people pretend that's "freedom" because they don't know any better. It's not. And you can always, always choose to pay for the doctor and care you'd like to receive. You're free to do that in most universal systems if you're willing to pay.
You make some good points but if there's an argument to keep government out of healthcare, then the example of public education fits the bill. The better example (i.e Sweden) of public healthcare relies on the private sector to deliver services. Here in the US, we have barriers to entry and feather-nesting in the form of anti-trust protections for insurance companies that limit competition. I'd like to see a discussion on that before we look at creating another government monstrosity.
I don't view public education as negatively as many here seem to, but that's a good point re: the Swedish model. I think most Americans would agree our *current* system is deeply flawed and it's gotten worse in the past few decades. (The ACA helped guarantee health insurance, sure, but what good is guaranteeing and indeed requiring people to purchase something that flatly doesn't do does what it's purported to do?)
I don't have a fetish for big government but have a problem imagining how our current private system can be rehabilitated to work for the average American. (That said, if you have an article/overview you think is really instructive re: the Swedish model, I'd love a link. What I know is pretty surface level. If not, no biggie. Appreciate the thoughtful reply.)
If you are looking for an argument you better look elsewhere; that sounds quite rational. Health care isn’t an area I focus on too much, but there is no aspect of 21st century US government that I want anything to do with. It is a mammoth jobs program for the incompetent!
If you think “... nobody’s afraid to fend for themselves...” you must have some twisted sense of reality. As for current system, it’s far from perfect and much of that is due to governmental bureaucratic red tape. Government is a massive weight chained around people’s neck. And amazingly, these days that’s what many people need/want.
I don't think you want to compare public healthcare with public schools. Public schools don't have a very good track record of preparing students, even with their budgets astronomically have increased the past 30 years.
Many public schools are controlled by teacher unions and their sycophant politicians, and look at the shitshow right now with many districts not opening up, largely affecting poor and minority students.
If we had public healthcare, that would pattern after public schools, then it would be a disaster.
Public healthcare absolutely does not model on public education. They're two different issues.
I'm sympathetic to the school choice position. I also think that although single-payer health care would be an improvement over what we have now, it isn't the best alternative. But I have different reasons for my objections.
Do you like the system we have now? What's the difference between public schooling and public healthcare?
Nobody's afraid to fend for themselves, bud. Been doing that for about 40 years and have been through the ringer a few times. I'd simply like a government that takes care of its citizens instead of its corporate donors. I'd like my tax dollars to make schools better and not used to prop up big business and buy more shit from Raytheon.
Past that, you're just arguing against a strawman of what universal healthcare would be. Currently, most Americans have an illusion of choice: which employer-provided care will I choose? Which doctors are in that network? Some people pretend that's "freedom" because they don't know any better. It's not. And you can always, always choose to pay for the doctor and care you'd like to receive. You're free to do that in most universal systems if you're willing to pay.
You make some good points but if there's an argument to keep government out of healthcare, then the example of public education fits the bill. The better example (i.e Sweden) of public healthcare relies on the private sector to deliver services. Here in the US, we have barriers to entry and feather-nesting in the form of anti-trust protections for insurance companies that limit competition. I'd like to see a discussion on that before we look at creating another government monstrosity.
I don't view public education as negatively as many here seem to, but that's a good point re: the Swedish model. I think most Americans would agree our *current* system is deeply flawed and it's gotten worse in the past few decades. (The ACA helped guarantee health insurance, sure, but what good is guaranteeing and indeed requiring people to purchase something that flatly doesn't do does what it's purported to do?)
I don't have a fetish for big government but have a problem imagining how our current private system can be rehabilitated to work for the average American. (That said, if you have an article/overview you think is really instructive re: the Swedish model, I'd love a link. What I know is pretty surface level. If not, no biggie. Appreciate the thoughtful reply.)
This will get you started...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq3vVbdgMuQ
Obliged, RAH. Will check that later tonight when I can devote the full hour to it.
If you are looking for an argument you better look elsewhere; that sounds quite rational. Health care isn’t an area I focus on too much, but there is no aspect of 21st century US government that I want anything to do with. It is a mammoth jobs program for the incompetent!
True, and as a kid I drank Tang.
If you think “... nobody’s afraid to fend for themselves...” you must have some twisted sense of reality. As for current system, it’s far from perfect and much of that is due to governmental bureaucratic red tape. Government is a massive weight chained around people’s neck. And amazingly, these days that’s what many people need/want.
I don't think you want to compare public healthcare with public schools. Public schools don't have a very good track record of preparing students, even with their budgets astronomically have increased the past 30 years.
Many public schools are controlled by teacher unions and their sycophant politicians, and look at the shitshow right now with many districts not opening up, largely affecting poor and minority students.
If we had public healthcare, that would pattern after public schools, then it would be a disaster.
Public healthcare absolutely does not model on public education. They're two different issues.
I'm sympathetic to the school choice position. I also think that although single-payer health care would be an improvement over what we have now, it isn't the best alternative. But I have different reasons for my objections.