except you also wanna provide it to all of South and Central America with the one caveat that they apply it for in person after crossing the border in defiance of international asylum law dictating they must apply at the first stable country they encounter which would be Mexico.
For Gawd's sake Sasinsea, do the math! It is not workable. …
except you also wanna provide it to all of South and Central America with the one caveat that they apply it for in person after crossing the border in defiance of international asylum law dictating they must apply at the first stable country they encounter which would be Mexico.
For Gawd's sake Sasinsea, do the math! It is not workable. there is no such possible growth pattern to sustain such a policy.
Why can other first world countries provide universal healthcare but America cannot? I'd suspect we both have the same answer here. There's no reason we as a society need to subsidize insurance companies that provide no value except extracting money from people who just wanna see if they're healthy.
I blame Obama's campaign for a lot of the the exhaustion described in this article.
A generation of people who lived through 9/11, patriot act, wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, housing market fraud and crash were finally coming into political power. They [we] were sold 'hope & change' before being sold down the river once we were no longer politically needed.
Yup. And if you look at what he did in all of those instances, it was basically just a continuation of Bush's policies.
Iraq & Afghanistan? Still there. Gitmo? Still open. Reigning in the ballooning power of the executive branch? Nope. Housing fraud perpetrators? Excused with a slap on the wrist at worst. Healthcare? With BOTH houses on congress? Passes some third-way Mitt Romney bullshit thats too clever by half.
The most depressing thing is he still might be the best president in my lifetime (born in the early 80s). Grim shit from top to bottom.
the reason I find that doubtful is: 1) I never met anyone for whom that was true and 2) pretty sure MSNBC and CNN would be running it twenty four seven during healthcare legislation focus days.
We'd spend less per person on medical care in a universal plan than we do now with our current system. There's no arguing this. The only reason our current system exists is to create make-work jobs for bureaucrats and to commodify a basic need. It's criminal.
Patients do not report to the doctor with an issue and seek a solution. Companies that know when the Govt will pay for, oh say, new hearing aids, contact the patient and tell them to come and get them. the great news is they're free!
Free I say, no one has to pay, even if you throw them in a drawer and don't use them because their batteries are 12 dollars for a week and a half of use.
Private insurers rip people off too. It's just that they're sending you surprise bills and denying you coverage. Trust me, I've been paying one off for years.
I'd rather someone got a free hearing aid than you're paying for an ambulance ride for 6 years.
You can't identify medicare fraud and ignore private insurance fraud. That dog won't hunt.
Past that, it's not free. You'd be taxed. I'd be taxed. And it's not a pen at a supply station, man. It's people not fearing medical bankruptcy if they have a lump they need checked out.
And I still contend that, Insurance in America protects assets, it doesn't provide healthcare.
Individuals are not dying on our streets. The indigent get healthcare.
You may make the argument well that one should not face bankruptcy due to medical bills, but to content America doesn't provide healthcare to the poor, I think is false.
Many first world European countries were able to put money towards universal health care and unemployment since during the Cold War they didn't have to allocate any resources to defense since the U.S. provided that. The guns vs. butter argument.
This has started to change in many of the countries as their bills are drastically rising and they cant allocate enough tax revenue to fund it.
It is workable. It's just not workable with the amount of money we spend on defense and forever wars. Which is why it won't happen. I'm not a socialist, and I don't necessarily support universal healthcare, but if I had to pick between forever wars and healthcare, i'll take healthcare any day. At least then my tax dollars are giving life to others instead of death.
well, the last two Presidents ran on ending the wars and both failed to do so.
I am raising waste and fraud issues. If we don't curtail them any expansion of the medical benefits we try to provide will result in crappy care for patients and bogus services by billing providers.
We can support both. WTF. Admitting the fraud and waste and targetting it would get Americans on your side. We know it's bogus and our care has turned to crap - unless we are millennial or whatever and have no prior healthcare to compare it to.
and it is not hateful or bigoted to refuse to sign up to pay for it. It's a stupid experiment. We know refugees and immigrants are not a net positive economically. We know NYC is not rolling in the excess cash generated by the extraordinarily good fortune of being immigrant rich.
You need to enroll in some economics courses and stop with the Social Justice crash course to destroying the most enviable countries on the planet in which to live.
No more than you geniuses do, as if it would matter to the genius class. Hey, really impressed with what y’all have done with half the country, you know, the half that’s been hoarding guns and ammo for 30 years. Impressive governing there for the elite geniuses
except you also wanna provide it to all of South and Central America with the one caveat that they apply it for in person after crossing the border in defiance of international asylum law dictating they must apply at the first stable country they encounter which would be Mexico.
For Gawd's sake Sasinsea, do the math! It is not workable. there is no such possible growth pattern to sustain such a policy.
Why can other first world countries provide universal healthcare but America cannot? I'd suspect we both have the same answer here. There's no reason we as a society need to subsidize insurance companies that provide no value except extracting money from people who just wanna see if they're healthy.
the ACA was the biggest boon to Insurance companies. I support the effort if you get real.
The VA is the closest system we have had and it was a disaster.
Currently, the fraud in Medicare is unbelievable.
I'm expressly not arguing for the ACA because I'm not some sort of partisan hack. We're on an ACA plan. It sucks bad!
we agree! :)
Took all of a few months for me to give up on any real hope I had about Obama. The ACA was a big reason why.
I blame Obama's campaign for a lot of the the exhaustion described in this article.
A generation of people who lived through 9/11, patriot act, wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, housing market fraud and crash were finally coming into political power. They [we] were sold 'hope & change' before being sold down the river once we were no longer politically needed.
Yup. And if you look at what he did in all of those instances, it was basically just a continuation of Bush's policies.
Iraq & Afghanistan? Still there. Gitmo? Still open. Reigning in the ballooning power of the executive branch? Nope. Housing fraud perpetrators? Excused with a slap on the wrist at worst. Healthcare? With BOTH houses on congress? Passes some third-way Mitt Romney bullshit thats too clever by half.
The most depressing thing is he still might be the best president in my lifetime (born in the early 80s). Grim shit from top to bottom.
He was a major disappointment. On that, we can also agree.
As opposed to fraud and outright denial of coverage by private insurers?
the reason I find that doubtful is: 1) I never met anyone for whom that was true and 2) pretty sure MSNBC and CNN would be running it twenty four seven during healthcare legislation focus days.
The VA is a disaster because protracted war is disastrous, and Iraq II was not the easy hit-and-quit walkover for our side that Iraq I was.
I had occasion to visit the rehab facility of Walter Reed hospital on the eve of the invasion. The place was in peacetime mode.
The VA is a disaster because it is continually underfunded.
check the balance sheet in Europe! After Angela Merkel threw open the borders, they can't!
80 something percent of those immigrants are still unemployed on their welfare systems 5 years later.
I didn't bring this up but you're really fixated on immigrants, man. Kinda weird.
You asked why I have opposition to M4all.
I would support it if it was remotely workable.
We'd spend less per person on medical care in a universal plan than we do now with our current system. There's no arguing this. The only reason our current system exists is to create make-work jobs for bureaucrats and to commodify a basic need. It's criminal.
No. Do you know how the Medicare plan works now?
Patients do not report to the doctor with an issue and seek a solution. Companies that know when the Govt will pay for, oh say, new hearing aids, contact the patient and tell them to come and get them. the great news is they're free!
Free I say, no one has to pay, even if you throw them in a drawer and don't use them because their batteries are 12 dollars for a week and a half of use.
Private insurers rip people off too. It's just that they're sending you surprise bills and denying you coverage. Trust me, I've been paying one off for years.
I'd rather someone got a free hearing aid than you're paying for an ambulance ride for 6 years.
Psychology knows this is true.
Experiments Corps use like, if you have a bunch of tablets and pens laying around at a supply station, they are taken and wasted.
If you don't provide them easily, they are taken care of and used carefully with less waste.
it's just human nature. What's free, is not valuable psychologically.
You can't identify medicare fraud and ignore private insurance fraud. That dog won't hunt.
Past that, it's not free. You'd be taxed. I'd be taxed. And it's not a pen at a supply station, man. It's people not fearing medical bankruptcy if they have a lump they need checked out.
And I still contend that, Insurance in America protects assets, it doesn't provide healthcare.
Individuals are not dying on our streets. The indigent get healthcare.
You may make the argument well that one should not face bankruptcy due to medical bills, but to content America doesn't provide healthcare to the poor, I think is false.
Galleta, Medicare does not pay for anyone's hearing aids, or for any other medical therapy related to hearing loss. It's been excluded from coverage since the beginning of the program in 1965. https://www.medicarefaq.com/faqs/medicare-coverage-for-hearing-aids/
The fact that you don't know this- and made up an imaginary situation that doesn't exist- does not speak well to your credibility on this issue.
it wasn't imaginary. I suppose then BlueCrossBlueShield Fed must have been the payer.
It absolutely is a thing.
now do electric wheelchairs.
That one I KNOW only had medicare and champus
"it wasn't imaginary."
I supported my claim with a link.
Where's yours?
Unlike most of you theorizers, I am going off of what is really happening to actual American human beings.
That is absolutely a thing.
Many first world European countries were able to put money towards universal health care and unemployment since during the Cold War they didn't have to allocate any resources to defense since the U.S. provided that. The guns vs. butter argument.
This has started to change in many of the countries as their bills are drastically rising and they cant allocate enough tax revenue to fund it.
It is workable. It's just not workable with the amount of money we spend on defense and forever wars. Which is why it won't happen. I'm not a socialist, and I don't necessarily support universal healthcare, but if I had to pick between forever wars and healthcare, i'll take healthcare any day. At least then my tax dollars are giving life to others instead of death.
well, the last two Presidents ran on ending the wars and both failed to do so.
I am raising waste and fraud issues. If we don't curtail them any expansion of the medical benefits we try to provide will result in crappy care for patients and bogus services by billing providers.
We can support both. WTF. Admitting the fraud and waste and targetting it would get Americans on your side. We know it's bogus and our care has turned to crap - unless we are millennial or whatever and have no prior healthcare to compare it to.
Mexico has uni health, and Mexico has been controlling its southern border. Almost no one wants to come to the US. Get real.
hahahahahahahahahaha
that's why controlling the border is such a big deal.
Hundreds of thousands of unaccompanied minors flooded our borders during Obama years.
The hopey changey compassionate crowd jus released em to who ever answered the phone and never followed up on their wellbeing.
with America's already overburdened Foster Care "village" trying to raise all dem unwanted children,
What the fuck could go wrong wit dat you morally superior progressive geniuses?
I've lived within 150 miles of said border for 40 years. How about you? Why are you obsessed with this topic?
pffft
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David Corn, Mother Jones
and it is not hateful or bigoted to refuse to sign up to pay for it. It's a stupid experiment. We know refugees and immigrants are not a net positive economically. We know NYC is not rolling in the excess cash generated by the extraordinarily good fortune of being immigrant rich.
You need to enroll in some economics courses and stop with the Social Justice crash course to destroying the most enviable countries on the planet in which to live.
you need to support your smug assertions with facts.
No more than you geniuses do, as if it would matter to the genius class. Hey, really impressed with what y’all have done with half the country, you know, the half that’s been hoarding guns and ammo for 30 years. Impressive governing there for the elite geniuses
Your comment shows that to a partisan ideologue, all opposing views or skepticism must be inspired by other partisans.
It also shows that you're unable to support your assertions with facts.
I get it. As a completely independent, free thinker it tires me but you all do have interesting points now and then.
Haha