I'm not gonna lead with actually paying for this service, even though I do, but as a citizen of Greenland I was kinda hoping for better than this.
Living here in Greenland for close to a decade now, I obviously take more note of the prospects of being invaded militarily by a superpower than most people living in the US. And what pleases m…
I'm not gonna lead with actually paying for this service, even though I do, but as a citizen of Greenland I was kinda hoping for better than this.
Living here in Greenland for close to a decade now, I obviously take more note of the prospects of being invaded militarily by a superpower than most people living in the US. And what pleases me is to see the President of the United States of America never making any active remark whatsoever about 'annexing' or 'invading' Greenland militarily. It's always purchasing, making a deal, respecting and convincing.
Now, who does go on and on about annexation and military invasion, is the Corporate Media. Imagine that. The same Corporate Media that's been hating on Donald J Trump for over a decade now, 'suddenly' also misrepresenting his interest in Greenland. Oh my, to think there might be a connection here?!
But would they actually do that, though? Would the Corporate Media of the USA actually ever exaggerate Trump's interest in Greenland, and paint it instead as a military invasion plan? And thereby risking to alienate and scaremonger Greenlanders, by making them believe an invasion is incoming?
I dunno, guys? What do you think? Oh, and the so-called phone interview with NBC: Did it actually happen? We've had no transcript and no video or sound bite from the alleged interview now in 4 days. Is it possible this is just next-level dishonesty from the Corporate Media? A non-event where they just claim an interview happened, over phone, but where in reality NBC staff just made up the words and narratives from a complete non-interview?
"what pleases me is to see the President of the United States of America never making any active remark whatsoever about 'annexing' or 'invading' Greenland militarily." -- You're joking, right? Did you read the same article I did? He absolutely threatened those things.
Having Greenlanders in this thread about Greenland USA is awesome!
I support Trump's plan to make Greenland USA a reality, but with the following provisos:
1) USA must respect the Greenlandic social structure and culture and take care to avoid social disruptions. The preexisting local governing institutions should carry over after union. Local control should not be diminished as a result of union.
2) Denmark should retain some responsibility for social services for some length of time after union. Special face-saving carveouts for Denmark and its citizen should be part of the final settlement. There is no need to humiliate Denmark or try to reduce the Danish aspects of the local culture. Danes should be able to visit Greenland visa free by treaty in perpetuity. USA could provide direct subsidies to Denmark for continuing to provide social services. Greenlanders should be able to retain Danish and US citizenship.
Greenlandic, English, and Danish should have official status. Trilingualism should be constitutionally protected.
USA should be clear that Greenland won't be treated as a colonial possession, but more like a Commonwealth like Porto RIco.
It's important that we respect all the rights of the Greenlanders as we welcome them in as new Americans!
Or with Puerto Rico--to whom Trump tossed a roll of --what was it-paper towels? as a typically Trumpian gesture of aid after a hurricane hit it hard. And Greenland is far more exploitable.
Just one of the thousands of moments taken wildly out of context that would have never been reported on if anyone but DJT had done it. The MSM rule: he never does anything good - everything he does is bad.
True. But to be fair, he actually DOES things. Unlike Biden.
And please recall the past 9 years of a massive dogpile on Trump by the MSM (minus Fox) DNC, the late-night talk shows, SNL, movies, national acts like Taylor Swift, Howard Stern, the 51 intelligence agents, etc etc - the list goes on and on. Nothing like this has happened to a President/former President since before all of us were born.
'Biden' did plenty that was useful to the oligarchy, just not as in-your-face as Trump, who is something that has never before happened to the US. Apparently, you prefer exciting assholes to boring ones. And so does the media.
The best deal would be along the lines of increased economic activity (ie mining, but with democratic sanctions in the case of highly toxic or polluting endeavors) + defence activity, while retaining full democratic autonomy, in principle including going full commie domestically (not very likely).
Can you imagine the royalty checks you and your family would receive being a "native" when the annexation actually occurs. I imagine for the 60k or so Greenlanders it will be generational wealth.
That doesn't include the possibility of Musk kicking in a few million bucks (cash payment) per resident just to get the proposal on the ballot.
The part you don't seem to be getting is that it's not a choice. Greenlanders don't get to decide whether the empire trashes the place or not. It has clearly already been decided.
Re: Gaza-
Looking at things in such a binary way is silly. Trump making a typical trump comment about the "gazan Rivera" was only to appeal to the hard right in Israel's current coalition govt and to keep Netanyahoos fragile coalition together in the face of a serious ultra Orthodox threat to his regime. Trump hates BN, but realizes if he loses power and ultra nationalist right takes over in Israel then there will never be peace and more than likely armegedeon by way of nuclear war.
CM- you don't think that the Trump administration is going to begin the annexation of Greenland?
You think 60k people on a land mass that size with its economic and strategic importance will stand in the empires way?
You don't think Trump administration officials going there before inauguration, or the vice president going there recently and calling out Denmark, or Trump's own stated intentions of "we will get it" represent real goals of the empire?
The thing about Trump is that you don't need to get inside his head, just listen to his words and look at his actions.
Transparency is difficult for some people.
Re: Gaza- what did the last administration do to help them, what peace did they institute, Trump forced through a ceasefire as president elect. Is it in the best interest of the Gazan 's? Probably not, but less of them are dying today then during the Biden administration.
Israel is our ally, unlike Ukraine, unfortunately the empire has never (and probably won't ever) truly stand in the way of Israel's subjugation of the eastern Mediterranean and the Levant.
Can’t believe most of the crap on corporate media, and can’t believe everything you see on sites like this either. So very hard to reach any conclusion, since it’s just speculation on faulty information.
I figure Trump thinks he’s the second coming of James K Polk.
I hate to correct a man saying he is a Greenlander; but all Greenland citizens are considered citizens of Denmark even if you haven't bothered to get a passport saying as such.
What is it you don't understand? You asked how your idea sounds and I replied that it's the typically Ugly American stupidity all over again.
How is that not clear? You suggested we buy the Greenlanders off by paying for their votes. The utter depravity of the idea is only surpassed by the question of who the fuck are we to put the matter to a vote in their country.
I'm not gonna lead with actually paying for this service, even though I do, but as a citizen of Greenland I was kinda hoping for better than this.
Living here in Greenland for close to a decade now, I obviously take more note of the prospects of being invaded militarily by a superpower than most people living in the US. And what pleases me is to see the President of the United States of America never making any active remark whatsoever about 'annexing' or 'invading' Greenland militarily. It's always purchasing, making a deal, respecting and convincing.
Now, who does go on and on about annexation and military invasion, is the Corporate Media. Imagine that. The same Corporate Media that's been hating on Donald J Trump for over a decade now, 'suddenly' also misrepresenting his interest in Greenland. Oh my, to think there might be a connection here?!
But would they actually do that, though? Would the Corporate Media of the USA actually ever exaggerate Trump's interest in Greenland, and paint it instead as a military invasion plan? And thereby risking to alienate and scaremonger Greenlanders, by making them believe an invasion is incoming?
I dunno, guys? What do you think? Oh, and the so-called phone interview with NBC: Did it actually happen? We've had no transcript and no video or sound bite from the alleged interview now in 4 days. Is it possible this is just next-level dishonesty from the Corporate Media? A non-event where they just claim an interview happened, over phone, but where in reality NBC staff just made up the words and narratives from a complete non-interview?
"what pleases me is to see the President of the United States of America never making any active remark whatsoever about 'annexing' or 'invading' Greenland militarily." -- You're joking, right? Did you read the same article I did? He absolutely threatened those things.
Nah. Others did
Having Greenlanders in this thread about Greenland USA is awesome!
I support Trump's plan to make Greenland USA a reality, but with the following provisos:
1) USA must respect the Greenlandic social structure and culture and take care to avoid social disruptions. The preexisting local governing institutions should carry over after union. Local control should not be diminished as a result of union.
2) Denmark should retain some responsibility for social services for some length of time after union. Special face-saving carveouts for Denmark and its citizen should be part of the final settlement. There is no need to humiliate Denmark or try to reduce the Danish aspects of the local culture. Danes should be able to visit Greenland visa free by treaty in perpetuity. USA could provide direct subsidies to Denmark for continuing to provide social services. Greenlanders should be able to retain Danish and US citizenship.
Greenlandic, English, and Danish should have official status. Trilingualism should be constitutionally protected.
USA should be clear that Greenland won't be treated as a colonial possession, but more like a Commonwealth like Porto RIco.
It's important that we respect all the rights of the Greenlanders as we welcome them in as new Americans!
Our track record on such agreements with native Americans is not compelling.
Yes and we also used to have slavery back in the day. Maybe things have changed a bit over the past 1.5 centuries?
They were conquered militarily. Look to the agreements with the Republic of Texas.
Or with Puerto Rico--to whom Trump tossed a roll of --what was it-paper towels? as a typically Trumpian gesture of aid after a hurricane hit it hard. And Greenland is far more exploitable.
Just one of the thousands of moments taken wildly out of context that would have never been reported on if anyone but DJT had done it. The MSM rule: he never does anything good - everything he does is bad.
Agree re MSM. OTOH for many he can do no wrong. Just like Biden...
True. But to be fair, he actually DOES things. Unlike Biden.
And please recall the past 9 years of a massive dogpile on Trump by the MSM (minus Fox) DNC, the late-night talk shows, SNL, movies, national acts like Taylor Swift, Howard Stern, the 51 intelligence agents, etc etc - the list goes on and on. Nothing like this has happened to a President/former President since before all of us were born.
'Biden' did plenty that was useful to the oligarchy, just not as in-your-face as Trump, who is something that has never before happened to the US. Apparently, you prefer exciting assholes to boring ones. And so does the media.
Wow - thanks for being spokesman for my likes and preferences.
All I did was to state some easily verifiable facts.
Agree.
The best deal would be along the lines of increased economic activity (ie mining, but with democratic sanctions in the case of highly toxic or polluting endeavors) + defence activity, while retaining full democratic autonomy, in principle including going full commie domestically (not very likely).
You make me puke!
Just like "Porto Rico" eh? High crime rate, bad spelling, and lots of dissenting Greenlanders in jails or graves.
Can you imagine the royalty checks you and your family would receive being a "native" when the annexation actually occurs. I imagine for the 60k or so Greenlanders it will be generational wealth.
That doesn't include the possibility of Musk kicking in a few million bucks (cash payment) per resident just to get the proposal on the ballot.
Generational wealth for all Greenlanders would be great. For three days until inflation at 1923 Weimar proportions kicks in.
I guess if you pay people enough they will let you trash the place--especially if it's enough to leave. Maybe go live in Trumps' paradise in Gaza.
The part you don't seem to be getting is that it's not a choice. Greenlanders don't get to decide whether the empire trashes the place or not. It has clearly already been decided.
Re: Gaza-
Looking at things in such a binary way is silly. Trump making a typical trump comment about the "gazan Rivera" was only to appeal to the hard right in Israel's current coalition govt and to keep Netanyahoos fragile coalition together in the face of a serious ultra Orthodox threat to his regime. Trump hates BN, but realizes if he loses power and ultra nationalist right takes over in Israel then there will never be peace and more than likely armegedeon by way of nuclear war.
Wow, dude. You are totally hooked. You're not in Trump's head. You're in your own Star Wars fantasy.
CM- you don't think that the Trump administration is going to begin the annexation of Greenland?
You think 60k people on a land mass that size with its economic and strategic importance will stand in the empires way?
You don't think Trump administration officials going there before inauguration, or the vice president going there recently and calling out Denmark, or Trump's own stated intentions of "we will get it" represent real goals of the empire?
The thing about Trump is that you don't need to get inside his head, just listen to his words and look at his actions.
Transparency is difficult for some people.
Re: Gaza- what did the last administration do to help them, what peace did they institute, Trump forced through a ceasefire as president elect. Is it in the best interest of the Gazan 's? Probably not, but less of them are dying today then during the Biden administration.
Israel is our ally, unlike Ukraine, unfortunately the empire has never (and probably won't ever) truly stand in the way of Israel's subjugation of the eastern Mediterranean and the Levant.
Can’t believe most of the crap on corporate media, and can’t believe everything you see on sites like this either. So very hard to reach any conclusion, since it’s just speculation on faulty information.
I figure Trump thinks he’s the second coming of James K Polk.
Or maybe Harry Truman.
you got a point.
Are there citizens of Greenland? I would think you are citizens of Denmark who inhabit one of its properties
Yes, and I voted yesterday in our local election. I’ve never been a citizen of Denmark or any EU nation, bar Sweden (briefly).
I hate to correct a man saying he is a Greenlander; but all Greenland citizens are considered citizens of Denmark even if you haven't bothered to get a passport saying as such.
Let the Greenlanders vote.
Vote for US, every citizen gets 2 million bucks. Pay Demark for any infrastructure they own.
How does that sound ?
You folks must pay reparations to me and every other Greenlander, for melting much of our ice. Shall we say a dollar per liter?
40 acres and a mule, we promise to pay on Tuesday
Hey! It's only about 3-400 trillion USD pro annum. And we'll let bygones be bygones, starting from scratch in 2025.
No problem, we can have that printed up tomorrow.
Can we just give them a breeding pair and let them grow their own mules?
No
They will hitch up a wagon and show up in AZ.
We have a Green Valley, it's in the Sonoran desert, but they have been tricked before.
Bwahahahahaha!
That’s $4 per gallon for you metrically challenged negotiators
Like a typically repulsive American: STUPID.
Can you explain ?
What is it you don't understand? You asked how your idea sounds and I replied that it's the typically Ugly American stupidity all over again.
How is that not clear? You suggested we buy the Greenlanders off by paying for their votes. The utter depravity of the idea is only surpassed by the question of who the fuck are we to put the matter to a vote in their country.
Fair enough.
If you were a Greenlander how would you vote?
Would you turn down 2 million bucks and a chance to be part of the biggest economy on the earth.
PS my offer was half in jest.
The Greenlander that commented seemed to know.