Florida required this under Jeb Bush. For women (or anyone who has had a name change since birth) it is a challenge. The process requires you to prove you are the person who was given a name at birth no matter how many marriages, divorces or becoming a movie star. This means marriage licenses and divorce papers.
I would imagine Elizabeth Taylor would have a really hard time.
I just got my license renewed a year or so ago, and had to go to the hellscape that is the NYC DMV, and brought all of the necessary documents, and it's not a "Real ID" for whatever reason, which makes zero sense if this was on the horizon. Now, I have to go back to the DMV to get the new ID, and it's booked to hell with people suddenly needing this thing. What kind of sense is this?
I have a passport, so I can fly and can avoid the DMV for now, but I'm a little unclear on my status entering federal buildings. It's beyond frustrating that in typical government ineptitude that they weren't issuing these IDs for the past 20 years when they knew they'd eventually be necessary. Why do we trust these people to do anything right, ever?
This law is consistently misrepresented. You don’t HAVE to have a real ID for domestic air travel after May 7. A US passport or any one of 14 other types of id will suffice. Resist!!!
Nina is 100% correct! Don't buy the "No fly lie" and please check out the extensive work that has been done on this at https:://RefuseRealID.org by Twila Brase's group at Citizens Council for Health Freedom ( https://cchfreedom.org ) . There are only 5 states that I know of that one can not opt out of RealId (Mississippi is one of them). Please opt out of this and do not consent!
Resist what, exactly? I just want to be able to fly. Joining the merchant marines so I won't have to get a real ID compliant driver's license seems a bit extreme...
See prior comments for answers to your questions. And you do not have to join the merchant Marines in order to fly. Just get a regular old US passport.
This has been done years ago in states with a competent state government. No reason for this to be a looming crisis for anyone and not a big deal to get done.
I don't know about resist, but I've had a passport for 50 years and it's been accepted by most places that require id. Washington state charges an extra fee for an "enhanced" ID / operators license, so I only have the unenhanced version. Canada, Mexico and the airlines all accept US passports as "Real ID". I'll wager your real id won't get you into Chile or Japan or most other countries overseas so if you ever plan to travel internationally, you'll need a passport. i think the resist part comes in to effect as, if you have other acceptable id like a passport, the extra fees for enhanced licenses is just another tax for not paying attention.
I just don't understand the point. This seems like one of those post-9/11 things that was just an attempt to do something rather than nothing in response. It's like having to take your shoes off at the airport-- another minor pain in the ass for people to make bureaucrats and politicians feel like they've done something. I just don't see how it's going to make any difference. Does anyone really think that if only we had Real ID before 9/11 that it would have stopped the hijackers?
The trouble is that when to multiply that "minor pain in the ass" by the millions of minor-pain-in-the-asses provided by the government, then you have a major pain in the ass.
I'm sure you can find some who would claim that, but on the other hand I suppose you were really asking "does any SANE person" think this, and so the actual answer is NO.
My other question is that if Real ID were so crucial to our national security as to be recommended by the 9/11 Commission, then why take 20 years to implement it? Seems like it's not that necessary.
The implimintation of Real ID will last just until some random lower court judge no one has ever heard of issues a nationwide permanent stay to stop it.
If if actually goes into effect while Trump is president, I will be surprised.
Exactly. I can no longer fly (my driver's license is not compliant, I learned today), but known illegal aliens are allowed to remain and are treated with kid gloves.
And remember Biden et al let them flood our borders with no verification whatsoever, and even allowed them to fly (and paid for their flights!) with no ID “real” or not.
I flew on Monday, April 28, one week before the deadline for this ridiculous requirement. I have purposely put off getting a new state driver’s license as my current one doesn’t expire for another four years. I want to avoid submitting to any further government identification requirements as long as I can. Anyway, at the airport on Monday, I got pulled aside and told that they were starting a “soft launch” one week before the actual deadline! WTF?! I had to submit to extra scrutiny involving having my hands checked, for explosive material I guess!! What bullshit!!
1. Never hold government or its failing bureaucrats accountable.
2. Red-ass ordinary Americans to no discernable effect. Illegal aliens have been granted drivers licenses by the millions. Future terrorists will be able to obtain Real IDs. This is nothing more than useless security theater.
3. Never learn from past or present stupid, worthless government overreaction, as a billion shoeless shuffles and counting through U.S. airports (but not European, where the Shoe Bomber originated) over the past 20 years proves. Along with every single government Covid intervention.
4. Never hold government or its failing bureaucrats accountable.
This is essentially one of those 'unfunded mandates' from the Feds to states because it impacted how they produce driver's licenses. It's not just the paperwork requirements for the application (which should be a one time thing) but also the controls on how the licenses are printed. I've lived in Iowa and Kentucky, and in both states when you renewed your license before Real ID the new one was generated right there in the office, at least one per county, on a big printer/laminator. Now the physical Real ID has to be produced in a controlled environment which would be prohibitively expensive to station in dozens (Iowa has 99 counties, Kentucky more than 100) of DL offices. Kentucky has been resisting this for a long time because of the expense of compliance with the secure generation requirement.
I finally got mine so I could stop bringing my birth certificate and electric bill to the FFL every time I want to buy a box of ammo in California. Inconvenience works wonders in generating compliance.
For now lol. There is a new 11% tax and mandatory background check for each transaction, and the entire transaction must be recorded with audio and video and stored in an archive. Can't purchase it online or have it shipped to your house either.
Not thrilled with the whole federal government ID regime, but how is this worse than what’s required to obtain a passport? How about we layer on a citizenship bit and use for voter ID?
Isn’t the whole issue with states that haven’t been issuing Real ID licenses for years is that they claim it is an inconvenience for illegals and certain other individuals?
idk, here in the Democratic People's Republic of Illinois, they've been doing it for some time now. I wouldn't think the regime here is particularly unfriendly to illegal aliens or "other individuals".
I have not heard one problem about getting real ID from anyone in my family including those in NY (though not the city, keep voting for the party in power, they're doin' a heck of a job!) and Maryland including recently married relatives and naturalized citizens other than usual the pain in the ass of going to the DMV (or MVA as they call in MD). While I am sure people are having issues here and there as many of you are attesting, the need to get this to fly if you don't want to lug (or get) your passport with you, has been well publicized for almost a decade. My point is this is being spun up like it is a new thing when it is in fact, an old thing. Having said that, I recently attended a conference where I heard the criminals can fake 80%+ of the security features on Real ID by now. Supposedly it is still worth it because it is one part of several security measures that happen when you fly when you book your flight, when you check in, and when you go through security. So, on the one hand, lots of security, on the other, lots of surveillance...
My state has been compliant for years, and I also have a passport, passport card and Global Entry card (I cross internationally daily, the cards make it easier)
If your state is still non compliant after this many years, think that's a state issue, not a Fed gubmint issue
If you ever filed a tax return, 30,000 clerks at IRS have your "number(s), all of them. If you ever did credit/debit business, another 30 million, or so, clerks have them too. Security schemurity, password asswerd, who's kiddin' whom? "Could I get the last four digits of your SS and your BD?" Game over, and it actually never started.
Florida required this under Jeb Bush. For women (or anyone who has had a name change since birth) it is a challenge. The process requires you to prove you are the person who was given a name at birth no matter how many marriages, divorces or becoming a movie star. This means marriage licenses and divorce papers.
I would imagine Elizabeth Taylor would have a really hard time.
I just got my license renewed a year or so ago, and had to go to the hellscape that is the NYC DMV, and brought all of the necessary documents, and it's not a "Real ID" for whatever reason, which makes zero sense if this was on the horizon. Now, I have to go back to the DMV to get the new ID, and it's booked to hell with people suddenly needing this thing. What kind of sense is this?
I have a passport, so I can fly and can avoid the DMV for now, but I'm a little unclear on my status entering federal buildings. It's beyond frustrating that in typical government ineptitude that they weren't issuing these IDs for the past 20 years when they knew they'd eventually be necessary. Why do we trust these people to do anything right, ever?
After GWB it could have been withdrawn maybe under BO and JB but is wasn't so not sure why NY would lag.
This law is consistently misrepresented. You don’t HAVE to have a real ID for domestic air travel after May 7. A US passport or any one of 14 other types of id will suffice. Resist!!!
Nina is 100% correct! Don't buy the "No fly lie" and please check out the extensive work that has been done on this at https:://RefuseRealID.org by Twila Brase's group at Citizens Council for Health Freedom ( https://cchfreedom.org ) . There are only 5 states that I know of that one can not opt out of RealId (Mississippi is one of them). Please opt out of this and do not consent!
I got a passport card, which is otherwise useless, when I renewed my passport just to avoid the hassle of getting a Real ID.
Not entirely useless. Passport card is valid ID for entering Canada, and for Mexico except for air travel.
Resist what, exactly? I just want to be able to fly. Joining the merchant marines so I won't have to get a real ID compliant driver's license seems a bit extreme...
See prior comments for answers to your questions. And you do not have to join the merchant Marines in order to fly. Just get a regular old US passport.
So a Real ID compliant driver's license is oppressive, but a passport isn't? I am not following your train of thought whatsoever.
This has been done years ago in states with a competent state government. No reason for this to be a looming crisis for anyone and not a big deal to get done.
If that's the marker of a competent state government, then mine isn't. However, my point here is that I see nothing to "resist."
"Resist! Show the man you aren't a pawn! Get a Real ID compliant passport instead of a Real ID compliant driver's license!"
I'm guessing it was sarc; otherwise why on Earth would this be an issue?
And in Kentucky it took about 30 minutes since I had all of the required paperwork.
Passport took quite a bit longer.
See Hollyberry Sunshine’s comment and links provided which I will not repeat here.
Or flap your arms real hard.
Lol
I don't know about resist, but I've had a passport for 50 years and it's been accepted by most places that require id. Washington state charges an extra fee for an "enhanced" ID / operators license, so I only have the unenhanced version. Canada, Mexico and the airlines all accept US passports as "Real ID". I'll wager your real id won't get you into Chile or Japan or most other countries overseas so if you ever plan to travel internationally, you'll need a passport. i think the resist part comes in to effect as, if you have other acceptable id like a passport, the extra fees for enhanced licenses is just another tax for not paying attention.
Such intrusion into my privacy. OMG, I hope the government doesn't find out my SS#.
I just don't understand the point. This seems like one of those post-9/11 things that was just an attempt to do something rather than nothing in response. It's like having to take your shoes off at the airport-- another minor pain in the ass for people to make bureaucrats and politicians feel like they've done something. I just don't see how it's going to make any difference. Does anyone really think that if only we had Real ID before 9/11 that it would have stopped the hijackers?
The trouble is that when to multiply that "minor pain in the ass" by the millions of minor-pain-in-the-asses provided by the government, then you have a major pain in the ass.
If covid and 9/11 taught me anything, it's to be very weary of government bureaucracy trying to look out for my safety.
> Does anyone really think that
> if only we had Real ID before 9/11
> that it would have stopped the hijackers?
I'm sure you can find some who would claim that, but on the other hand I suppose you were really asking "does any SANE person" think this, and so the actual answer is NO.
My other question is that if Real ID were so crucial to our national security as to be recommended by the 9/11 Commission, then why take 20 years to implement it? Seems like it's not that necessary.
The implimintation of Real ID will last just until some random lower court judge no one has ever heard of issues a nationwide permanent stay to stop it.
If if actually goes into effect while Trump is president, I will be surprised.
I’m sure illegal aliens will be required to also have a Real ID.
Exactly. I can no longer fly (my driver's license is not compliant, I learned today), but known illegal aliens are allowed to remain and are treated with kid gloves.
And remember Biden et al let them flood our borders with no verification whatsoever, and even allowed them to fly (and paid for their flights!) with no ID “real” or not.
I flew on Monday, April 28, one week before the deadline for this ridiculous requirement. I have purposely put off getting a new state driver’s license as my current one doesn’t expire for another four years. I want to avoid submitting to any further government identification requirements as long as I can. Anyway, at the airport on Monday, I got pulled aside and told that they were starting a “soft launch” one week before the actual deadline! WTF?! I had to submit to extra scrutiny involving having my hands checked, for explosive material I guess!! What bullshit!!
How America deals with government failures:
1. Never hold government or its failing bureaucrats accountable.
2. Red-ass ordinary Americans to no discernable effect. Illegal aliens have been granted drivers licenses by the millions. Future terrorists will be able to obtain Real IDs. This is nothing more than useless security theater.
3. Never learn from past or present stupid, worthless government overreaction, as a billion shoeless shuffles and counting through U.S. airports (but not European, where the Shoe Bomber originated) over the past 20 years proves. Along with every single government Covid intervention.
4. Never hold government or its failing bureaucrats accountable.
This is essentially one of those 'unfunded mandates' from the Feds to states because it impacted how they produce driver's licenses. It's not just the paperwork requirements for the application (which should be a one time thing) but also the controls on how the licenses are printed. I've lived in Iowa and Kentucky, and in both states when you renewed your license before Real ID the new one was generated right there in the office, at least one per county, on a big printer/laminator. Now the physical Real ID has to be produced in a controlled environment which would be prohibitively expensive to station in dozens (Iowa has 99 counties, Kentucky more than 100) of DL offices. Kentucky has been resisting this for a long time because of the expense of compliance with the secure generation requirement.
https://www.cchfreedom.org/national-id/
Another block of the digital control grid....
I finally got mine so I could stop bringing my birth certificate and electric bill to the FFL every time I want to buy a box of ammo in California. Inconvenience works wonders in generating compliance.
California still lets you buy ammo? Who knew?????!!?!
For now lol. There is a new 11% tax and mandatory background check for each transaction, and the entire transaction must be recorded with audio and video and stored in an archive. Can't purchase it online or have it shipped to your house either.
Not thrilled with the whole federal government ID regime, but how is this worse than what’s required to obtain a passport? How about we layer on a citizenship bit and use for voter ID?
Isn’t the whole issue with states that haven’t been issuing Real ID licenses for years is that they claim it is an inconvenience for illegals and certain other individuals?
idk, here in the Democratic People's Republic of Illinois, they've been doing it for some time now. I wouldn't think the regime here is particularly unfriendly to illegal aliens or "other individuals".
Heretic! /s
I have not heard one problem about getting real ID from anyone in my family including those in NY (though not the city, keep voting for the party in power, they're doin' a heck of a job!) and Maryland including recently married relatives and naturalized citizens other than usual the pain in the ass of going to the DMV (or MVA as they call in MD). While I am sure people are having issues here and there as many of you are attesting, the need to get this to fly if you don't want to lug (or get) your passport with you, has been well publicized for almost a decade. My point is this is being spun up like it is a new thing when it is in fact, an old thing. Having said that, I recently attended a conference where I heard the criminals can fake 80%+ of the security features on Real ID by now. Supposedly it is still worth it because it is one part of several security measures that happen when you fly when you book your flight, when you check in, and when you go through security. So, on the one hand, lots of security, on the other, lots of surveillance...
Now, let’s make these real IDs voter IDs so they have some value.
We've had this for several years in Georgia.
If you live in a state where this hasn't already been done, that should be a warning sign about your state government incompetence.
My state has been compliant for years, and I also have a passport, passport card and Global Entry card (I cross internationally daily, the cards make it easier)
If your state is still non compliant after this many years, think that's a state issue, not a Fed gubmint issue
If you ever filed a tax return, 30,000 clerks at IRS have your "number(s), all of them. If you ever did credit/debit business, another 30 million, or so, clerks have them too. Security schemurity, password asswerd, who's kiddin' whom? "Could I get the last four digits of your SS and your BD?" Game over, and it actually never started.