Florida required this under Jeb Bush. For women (or anyone who has had a name change since birth) it is a challenge. The process requires you to prove you are the person who was given a name at birth no matter how many marriages, divorces or becoming a movie star. This means marriage licenses and divorce papers.
I would imagine Elizabeth Taylor would have a really hard time.
I just got my license renewed a year or so ago, and had to go to the hellscape that is the NYC DMV, and brought all of the necessary documents, and it's not a "Real ID" for whatever reason, which makes zero sense if this was on the horizon. Now, I have to go back to the DMV to get the new ID, and it's booked to hell with people suddenly needing this thing. What kind of sense is this?
I have a passport, so I can fly and can avoid the DMV for now, but I'm a little unclear on my status entering federal buildings. It's beyond frustrating that in typical government ineptitude that they weren't issuing these IDs for the past 20 years when they knew they'd eventually be necessary. Why do we trust these people to do anything right, ever?
For real ID you need marriage papers, divorce papers, remarriage papers and these can be in different states some of which may be more complex. I am simply explaining why some people might find this onerous. It is quite do-able, but people who have name changes are required to have all the documents that trace back to birth certificate.
I understand what you and MG are talking about, and my response is off-topic, but -- I wish women would not change their names when they get married, because it causes complications in other matters also.
This law is consistently misrepresented. You don’t HAVE to have a real ID for domestic air travel after May 7. A US passport or any one of 14 other types of id will suffice. Resist!!!
Nina is 100% correct! Don't buy the "No fly lie" and please check out the extensive work that has been done on this at https:://RefuseRealID.org by Twila Brase's group at Citizens Council for Health Freedom ( https://cchfreedom.org ) . There are only 5 states that I know of that one can not opt out of RealId (Mississippi is one of them). Please opt out of this and do not consent!
Thank you! I didn't want to get a real id because of the fact that the state would have the same information on me as before for my regular drivers license, so now, instead, I got a Tribal Nation ID, a Honduras passport, a Manitoba driver's license and a U.S. Merchant Mariner Credential. Four of the "14 other types of ID that will suffice". Ready to fly!
My apologies on the very late reply @An Inconvenient Truth. The 5 US states where opting out of the Real ID is currently NOT an option are Texas, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi and Wyoming. If you are in one of those states, please reach out to your legislators and reference the https://RefuseREALID.org website for the very best education and learning resources on this issue.
Resist what, exactly? I just want to be able to fly. Joining the merchant marines so I won't have to get a real ID compliant driver's license seems a bit extreme...
See prior comments for answers to your questions. And you do not have to join the merchant Marines in order to fly. Just get a regular old US passport.
This has been done years ago in states with a competent state government. No reason for this to be a looming crisis for anyone and not a big deal to get done.
Right? I don't get why this form of ID is worse than any other form of ID. You also need to provide some pretty expansive documentation to prove your identify for a passport. Do we just trust the USPS more than the DMV (I mean, I probably would but they're both not exactly paragons of fun experiences).
I don't know about resist, but I've had a passport for 50 years and it's been accepted by most places that require id. Washington state charges an extra fee for an "enhanced" ID / operators license, so I only have the unenhanced version. Canada, Mexico and the airlines all accept US passports as "Real ID". I'll wager your real id won't get you into Chile or Japan or most other countries overseas so if you ever plan to travel internationally, you'll need a passport. i think the resist part comes in to effect as, if you have other acceptable id like a passport, the extra fees for enhanced licenses is just another tax for not paying attention.
I went to my driver's license office and got a Real-ID driver's license when I renewed the document. It was not difficult, and is much easier and more reasonable than resisting this reasonable requirement.
1. Never hold government or its failing bureaucrats accountable.
2. Red-ass ordinary Americans to no discernable effect. Illegal aliens have been granted drivers licenses by the millions. Future terrorists will be able to obtain Real IDs. This is nothing more than useless security theater.
3. Never learn from past or present stupid, worthless government overreaction, as a billion shoeless shuffles and counting through U.S. airports (but not European, where the Shoe Bomber originated) over the past 20 years proves. Along with every single government Covid intervention.
4. Never hold government or its failing bureaucrats accountable.
Exactly. I can no longer fly (my driver's license is not compliant, I learned today), but known illegal aliens are allowed to remain and are treated with kid gloves.
And remember Biden et al let them flood our borders with no verification whatsoever, and even allowed them to fly (and paid for their flights!) with no ID “real” or not.
I flew on Monday, April 28, one week before the deadline for this ridiculous requirement. I have purposely put off getting a new state driver’s license as my current one doesn’t expire for another four years. I want to avoid submitting to any further government identification requirements as long as I can. Anyway, at the airport on Monday, I got pulled aside and told that they were starting a “soft launch” one week before the actual deadline! WTF?! I had to submit to extra scrutiny involving having my hands checked, for explosive material I guess!! What bullshit!!
This is essentially one of those 'unfunded mandates' from the Feds to states because it impacted how they produce driver's licenses. It's not just the paperwork requirements for the application (which should be a one time thing) but also the controls on how the licenses are printed. I've lived in Iowa and Kentucky, and in both states when you renewed your license before Real ID the new one was generated right there in the office, at least one per county, on a big printer/laminator. Now the physical Real ID has to be produced in a controlled environment which would be prohibitively expensive to station in dozens (Iowa has 99 counties, Kentucky more than 100) of DL offices. Kentucky has been resisting this for a long time because of the expense of compliance with the secure generation requirement.
The implimintation of Real ID will last just until some random lower court judge no one has ever heard of issues a nationwide permanent stay to stop it.
If if actually goes into effect while Trump is president, I will be surprised.
Not thrilled with the whole federal government ID regime, but how is this worse than what’s required to obtain a passport? How about we layer on a citizenship bit and use for voter ID?
Isn’t the whole issue with states that haven’t been issuing Real ID licenses for years is that they claim it is an inconvenience for illegals and certain other individuals?
idk, here in the Democratic People's Republic of Illinois, they've been doing it for some time now. I wouldn't think the regime here is particularly unfriendly to illegal aliens or "other individuals".
If you ever filed a tax return, 30,000 clerks at IRS have your "number(s), all of them. If you ever did credit/debit business, another 30 million, or so, clerks have them too. Security schemurity, password asswerd, who's kiddin' whom? "Could I get the last four digits of your SS and your BD?" Game over, and it actually never started.
My state has been compliant for years, and I also have a passport, passport card and Global Entry card (I cross internationally daily, the cards make it easier)
If your state is still non compliant after this many years, think that's a state issue, not a Fed gubmint issue
Really grateful Mississippi knew better than to wait and ask people to produce all that. I think they started doing this almost as soon as they knew about it. They didn't give anyone a choice. They just did it during renewal.
Florida required this under Jeb Bush. For women (or anyone who has had a name change since birth) it is a challenge. The process requires you to prove you are the person who was given a name at birth no matter how many marriages, divorces or becoming a movie star. This means marriage licenses and divorce papers.
I would imagine Elizabeth Taylor would have a really hard time.
I just got my license renewed a year or so ago, and had to go to the hellscape that is the NYC DMV, and brought all of the necessary documents, and it's not a "Real ID" for whatever reason, which makes zero sense if this was on the horizon. Now, I have to go back to the DMV to get the new ID, and it's booked to hell with people suddenly needing this thing. What kind of sense is this?
I have a passport, so I can fly and can avoid the DMV for now, but I'm a little unclear on my status entering federal buildings. It's beyond frustrating that in typical government ineptitude that they weren't issuing these IDs for the past 20 years when they knew they'd eventually be necessary. Why do we trust these people to do anything right, ever?
After GWB it could have been withdrawn maybe under BO and JB but it wasn't, so not sure why NY would lag.
Government? Sense?
A passport should get you in to any Federal building or compound. I’ve used mine as ID in this way for years.
It took me all of 2 minutes to request marriage license from my state. I can't believe all the winging about this.
Yes but if more than one marriage compounds.
The send two requests. Jeez, can't anyone problem solve any more?
For real ID you need marriage papers, divorce papers, remarriage papers and these can be in different states some of which may be more complex. I am simply explaining why some people might find this onerous. It is quite do-able, but people who have name changes are required to have all the documents that trace back to birth certificate.
I understand what you and MG are talking about, and my response is off-topic, but -- I wish women would not change their names when they get married, because it causes complications in other matters also.
This law is consistently misrepresented. You don’t HAVE to have a real ID for domestic air travel after May 7. A US passport or any one of 14 other types of id will suffice. Resist!!!
Nina is 100% correct! Don't buy the "No fly lie" and please check out the extensive work that has been done on this at https:://RefuseRealID.org by Twila Brase's group at Citizens Council for Health Freedom ( https://cchfreedom.org ) . There are only 5 states that I know of that one can not opt out of RealId (Mississippi is one of them). Please opt out of this and do not consent!
Thank you! I didn't want to get a real id because of the fact that the state would have the same information on me as before for my regular drivers license, so now, instead, I got a Tribal Nation ID, a Honduras passport, a Manitoba driver's license and a U.S. Merchant Mariner Credential. Four of the "14 other types of ID that will suffice". Ready to fly!
What are the other 4?
My apologies on the very late reply @An Inconvenient Truth. The 5 US states where opting out of the Real ID is currently NOT an option are Texas, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi and Wyoming. If you are in one of those states, please reach out to your legislators and reference the https://RefuseREALID.org website for the very best education and learning resources on this issue.
TYVM - fortunately, I live in precisely NONE of those!
I got a passport card, which is otherwise useless, when I renewed my passport just to avoid the hassle of getting a Real ID.
Not entirely useless. Passport card is valid ID for entering Canada, and for Mexico except for air travel.
Resist what, exactly? I just want to be able to fly. Joining the merchant marines so I won't have to get a real ID compliant driver's license seems a bit extreme...
See prior comments for answers to your questions. And you do not have to join the merchant Marines in order to fly. Just get a regular old US passport.
So a Real ID compliant driver's license is oppressive, but a passport isn't? I am not following your train of thought whatsoever.
This has been done years ago in states with a competent state government. No reason for this to be a looming crisis for anyone and not a big deal to get done.
If that's the marker of a competent state government, then mine isn't. However, my point here is that I see nothing to "resist."
"Resist! Show the man you aren't a pawn! Get a Real ID compliant passport instead of a Real ID compliant driver's license!"
I'm guessing it was sarc; otherwise why on Earth would this be an issue?
And in Kentucky it took about 30 minutes since I had all of the required paperwork.
Passport took quite a bit longer.
I've had mine for at least 10 years (live in Nebraska).
See Hollyberry Sunshine’s comment and links provided which I will not repeat here.
Right? I don't get why this form of ID is worse than any other form of ID. You also need to provide some pretty expansive documentation to prove your identify for a passport. Do we just trust the USPS more than the DMV (I mean, I probably would but they're both not exactly paragons of fun experiences).
Or flap your arms real hard.
Lol
I don't know about resist, but I've had a passport for 50 years and it's been accepted by most places that require id. Washington state charges an extra fee for an "enhanced" ID / operators license, so I only have the unenhanced version. Canada, Mexico and the airlines all accept US passports as "Real ID". I'll wager your real id won't get you into Chile or Japan or most other countries overseas so if you ever plan to travel internationally, you'll need a passport. i think the resist part comes in to effect as, if you have other acceptable id like a passport, the extra fees for enhanced licenses is just another tax for not paying attention.
I went to my driver's license office and got a Real-ID driver's license when I renewed the document. It was not difficult, and is much easier and more reasonable than resisting this reasonable requirement.
Such intrusion into my privacy. OMG, I hope the government doesn't find out my SS#.
That’s pretty funny 😄
How America deals with government failures:
1. Never hold government or its failing bureaucrats accountable.
2. Red-ass ordinary Americans to no discernable effect. Illegal aliens have been granted drivers licenses by the millions. Future terrorists will be able to obtain Real IDs. This is nothing more than useless security theater.
3. Never learn from past or present stupid, worthless government overreaction, as a billion shoeless shuffles and counting through U.S. airports (but not European, where the Shoe Bomber originated) over the past 20 years proves. Along with every single government Covid intervention.
4. Never hold government or its failing bureaucrats accountable.
I’m sure illegal aliens will be required to also have a Real ID.
Exactly. I can no longer fly (my driver's license is not compliant, I learned today), but known illegal aliens are allowed to remain and are treated with kid gloves.
And remember Biden et al let them flood our borders with no verification whatsoever, and even allowed them to fly (and paid for their flights!) with no ID “real” or not.
Ha!
I flew on Monday, April 28, one week before the deadline for this ridiculous requirement. I have purposely put off getting a new state driver’s license as my current one doesn’t expire for another four years. I want to avoid submitting to any further government identification requirements as long as I can. Anyway, at the airport on Monday, I got pulled aside and told that they were starting a “soft launch” one week before the actual deadline! WTF?! I had to submit to extra scrutiny involving having my hands checked, for explosive material I guess!! What bullshit!!
This is essentially one of those 'unfunded mandates' from the Feds to states because it impacted how they produce driver's licenses. It's not just the paperwork requirements for the application (which should be a one time thing) but also the controls on how the licenses are printed. I've lived in Iowa and Kentucky, and in both states when you renewed your license before Real ID the new one was generated right there in the office, at least one per county, on a big printer/laminator. Now the physical Real ID has to be produced in a controlled environment which would be prohibitively expensive to station in dozens (Iowa has 99 counties, Kentucky more than 100) of DL offices. Kentucky has been resisting this for a long time because of the expense of compliance with the secure generation requirement.
The implimintation of Real ID will last just until some random lower court judge no one has ever heard of issues a nationwide permanent stay to stop it.
If if actually goes into effect while Trump is president, I will be surprised.
https://www.cchfreedom.org/national-id/
Another block of the digital control grid....
Now, let’s make these real IDs voter IDs so they have some value.
Not thrilled with the whole federal government ID regime, but how is this worse than what’s required to obtain a passport? How about we layer on a citizenship bit and use for voter ID?
Heretic! /s
Isn’t the whole issue with states that haven’t been issuing Real ID licenses for years is that they claim it is an inconvenience for illegals and certain other individuals?
idk, here in the Democratic People's Republic of Illinois, they've been doing it for some time now. I wouldn't think the regime here is particularly unfriendly to illegal aliens or "other individuals".
If you ever filed a tax return, 30,000 clerks at IRS have your "number(s), all of them. If you ever did credit/debit business, another 30 million, or so, clerks have them too. Security schemurity, password asswerd, who's kiddin' whom? "Could I get the last four digits of your SS and your BD?" Game over, and it actually never started.
Real ID is not necessary or a good idea- It could be used to become the link to digital control. Hello
Yeah you freaking said that already. And it didn't make sense either time...
We've had this for several years in Georgia.
If you live in a state where this hasn't already been done, that should be a warning sign about your state government incompetence.
My state has been compliant for years, and I also have a passport, passport card and Global Entry card (I cross internationally daily, the cards make it easier)
If your state is still non compliant after this many years, think that's a state issue, not a Fed gubmint issue
Really grateful Mississippi knew better than to wait and ask people to produce all that. I think they started doing this almost as soon as they knew about it. They didn't give anyone a choice. They just did it during renewal.
Precisely. All I had to do was renew my license online and ~voila~ receive it in the mail. Not sure why it needs to be more complicated than that!
Real ID is not necessary or a good idea- It could be used to become the link to digital control. Hello