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Virg's avatar

Given most of this is old news, I would much prefer to hear Matt and Walter discuss this Monday afternoon (or Sunday for a special show). And since I have been following various good sources all day, even today's events are old news. It would have also been interesting to have heard what they had to say on Thursday (released Friday morning) given that this was coming bigger than shit. Given that, it is a useful timeline, but nothing unique. This news is available elsewhere for those interested (just like the overabundance of Epstein info). What we can't get elsewhere is ATW or Matt's writing, all of which included obvious "takes." Which is why he is/was a great writer.

France's avatar

I feel the same, am selective about whose take on events I'm interested in giving my time to reading.

Substack Reader's avatar

Walt quit. Matt wanted the show to continue once a week. I saw Walt on X yesterday floating the idea of reviving ATW on CNN or CBS (with Bari Weiss leaving what I took as a favorable reply). Struck me as beyond weird. Walt won't do the show on Racket, but wants to as part of CNN or CBS? Yeah, that'll make it better, sure. With advertisers and management overhanging every sentence.

A.'s avatar

I am not sure that Racket News is actually just a personal venture of Matt's. Seems to be a cast of characters here, and Matt is not necessarily the head honcho.

I have asked for details several times, concerning the structure of Racket News, but there is always silence. Versus transparency. I am not certain what it is I am subscribing to here....is it a corporation with a board, is it a private Matt Taibbi rent-a-page from Substack? Or some other type of structure?

Maybe it is not so grassroots and quaint as we are led to believe.

Virg's avatar

It started out as a Matt Substack with very occasional guest pieces and he loves the protest videos from that guy that I never watch. I have been here from its start. I was fine getting a few articles when Matt did them. ATW came in and really sweetened the deal. I agree it is no longer Matt's site. And that is Matt's choice. I respect that even if I don't like it. I also thought he made a mountain out of a molehill over the Elon Musk stuff. So, for $5 a month, I am still fine reading just what Matt writes, but I sure miss the old Matt.

A.'s avatar

Thanks, Virg. I haven't been here as long as you, but quite some time nonetheless. I have contributed much, though it is voluntary....I receive no subscriber fees. A few of us are beginning to feel used by Matt and his Racket News.

There are times I think that Matt could just set a topic, and leave the commenters to do all the writing, because they generally contribute more of it anyway. Though Matt maintains the fame and glory.

My question is about the business model being used here. Am I contributing to a corporate structure, or an individual? Either way there is never any gratitude shown by Matt or the corporate board. Though I sense that if it is a corporation, they want to expand into something larger....and we are giving them our writing/thinking talent for free. Matt is limited; many other commenters here have to fill in for his gaps in knowledge.

Oddly enough, when Matt writes/thinks, he expects to be well paid for it. When the rest of us write/think -- often better than Matt in terms of offering well-informed material -- it isn't even worth a basic thank you from him, apparently.

This Substack model can be used to steamroll the commenters, I have noted.

The more comments here, the more popular the Substack, the more lucrative it is for whoever owns it. Ans yet the people who write more than half of most Substack offerings for Matt are never even acknowledged by him.

Danno's avatar

I seems to me that Matt is setting up Racket in order to challenge MSM giants like the NYT, WaPo, and the major networks, which most of us agree are obnoxious spewers of state and corporate propaganda. His vision is that of an old-school newsroom, with clattering typewriters, phones ringing, and coffee-stained desks . . . from an era before Operation Mockingbird -- only updated with PCs and cellphones. He believes that he can build an audience with a publication dedicated to finding the truth, whether we like it or not.

Matt's a journalist, not a manager, so he's begun to hire management types who he believes will keep the faith and find, hire, and train other investigative journalists who have time to follow up on stories Matt can't, due to the fact that he's only one person. The goal, it seems, is to build an online publication that will offer real investigations of important events, not regurgitation of what intelligence officials want us to believe.

I sincerely hope the venture is a success.

A.'s avatar
Mar 2Edited

Danno, you and I sometimes agree, and sometimes do not.

I think you are being naive here. I wrote posts here today to "Control Group" already, dispelling the fairy tale ideas about taking on the corporate giants as a knight in shining armor. Substack aims to become a corporate giant itself. And Matt wants a cut of the action. In fact, Racket News may well be incorporated all by itself. I truly doubt it is the noble lone writer sweating away in his lonely attic.

I have known professional writers all my life. That world is very familiar to me.

I think that Matt would have a hard time making a living if Substack had not come along and offered an easy entry to some sort of writing. Substack is like Paypal and Ebay -- a digital platform with a profit-making motive. They aim to be a corporate giant. Do the digging about Substack (I did).

The Substack hosts are simply Joe Public renting a Substack page on the platform. And trying to be influencers. Hoping they will pull in paying customers. And just because you can write does not necessarily mean you can think, or have reasonable things to write about.

Matt is flailing. Millions of us could see that. Maybe it is why Walter left.

So the new wanna-be successful corporations have moved in to establish a new dominant media. Substack is one of those, and Matt simply rents a Substack page.

Don't romanticize this, Danno. Last year there were over 20,000 Substack page renters. They come and they go. This is not the territory of Nobel Literature laureates. It is mostly just people playing to popularity by renting a page on a new digital platform. We should not be worshipping them like gods. I don't.

There are many good thinkers and good writers out here, A lot of them better than Matt. He simply decided to use the new Substack tool, Does not make him a god.

Substack Reader's avatar

I wouldn't rule anything out, but I'm still of a mind it is "grassroots and quaint." But when you hire a bunch of people, they all bring their own egos, so who knows.

A.'s avatar
Mar 1Edited

Why the lack of transparency here? Why can Matt never answer in a straightforward way what the set-up is, of Racket News?

Is it just Matt's rent-a-page from the Substack platform, and then he brought in Walter to do the gig with him....or is there a business structure behind all of this?

I know that there are now several freelancers (or are they freelance?) who add various pieces, and Emily K. introduced herself here, but what is behind all of this? Is Racket News solely owned by Matt or is it corporate entity with a board of directors? It matters.

I find it ironic that Matt bases his writing on digging out the story everywhere else, but his own Racket News story is kept tight as a drum and a closed shop, in terms of the details.

Robert Michael Caudle's avatar

It is crystal clear. Matt is in charge. He signs errybody’s paychecks. How is it possible to work oneself into a tizzy over this?

A.'s avatar
Mar 1Edited

How do you know this?

We are not "working ourselves into a tizzy". If you believe that, then you could just as well say that journalists such as Matt "work themselves into a tizzy" with every article. Are we not meant to laud investigative work? Too funny!

You have a deficit of intellectual curiosity, my friend. I would lend you some of mine, but I fear it would never be returned. Get some of those little grey cells operating!

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A.'s avatar

I left the Chris Rufo Substack when Chris had worked his readers into a froth over the upcoming 2024 election and the Trump potential there.....then posted nothing at all until almost a week after the Trump win. Pardon me? You are either serious about these issues or you aren't.

Seems his wife had given birth (not the first) a few days before the election, which was the excuse. Seeing as I was always out of hospital within 12 hours of a birth myself, when I hit the ground running, I did not buy it. Then he brought in a student who was all of 18 and in her first year of a journalism course, whose job seemed to be to head-pat the many PhDs and professional types in the audience and use red heart banners to reply to them. As if they were the children and she was the experienced adult. And as if the red heart banner was all they needed.

I agree that an adolescent view and lack of experience is simply going to antagonize serious readers here. I am already using my polite tone too frequently with Matt, when I want to say....."Do your homework!" I am amongst the group of commenters here getting tired of providing all the heavy-duty background, gratis. Not even a thank you. While Matt (or whoever owns Racket News) pulls in all the subscriber fees.

Virg's avatar

I get it, but given what Matt is doing, I suspect he (Matt) didn't want to have discussions where anything but straight news is reported. That is super boring, so I am not sure Walter had a choice. It is obvious he wants to keep doing this kind of thing, too. I think Matt wanted to run a big newsroom by this point in his career and there are no real "big newsrooms" now. So he is created one for himself with this idea of total objectivity. He fashions himself as Hunter S Thompson, but HST had takes on everything, LOL. Hell, I have no idea what is going on, but Matt stepping away from even editing responsibilities is not smart. IMO.

Sea Sentry's avatar

In fairness to Matt, who I deeply respect, foreign affairs are not his forte. Providing a timeline gives context for those who need it. Let others who understand the dynamics opine on current events.

Virg's avatar

I totally agree. I didn't subscribe to Matt's Substack for foreign affairs. I don't need to get this topic from Racket. That is all. There are plenty of good places to find honest foreign affairs news.

Oli's avatar

Opinions are now straight news . Nobody cares , this sucks .

Bill J's avatar

And anything Walter would do there would be severely time-constrained.

Marcia Beauchamp's avatar

From what I gather, Walt quit over more than a change in schedule.

A.'s avatar

I wonder whether Walt had some of the same issues with Matt and this operation that I do. Wouldn't be surprised.

Andrew Dolgin's avatar

Matt already said he fully supports regime change in Iran, he said that with Walter last year. Matt Taibbi is a supporter of bombing the Iranians and killing all of their leadership and is quite happy to say so, he even thinks it’s cool. The only thing he opposed is nation building after. So as long as we aren’t stuck in the nation for twenty years after, he fully supports everything Trump has done so far, fervently.

He’s done giving takes. Matt doesn’t have a public opinion on anything now. But we can always just go off what he said about the topic last year. That was what he said.

Michael Kellogg's avatar

If true that sounds like my position, too. The mullahs have been nothing but trouble for half a century. The Iranian people and the Iranian diaspora seem to agree.

Haywood Giablomi's avatar

Maybe you should stop listening to Western propaganda because unless all the videos were fakes, there were millions on the streets in Iran supporting their government.

There are lots of US citizens abroad who don't like the US government, and quite a few in the US too, and that's whether it's a Democrat or Republican in office. When should foreign countries be allowed to come and murder our leadership? And we you be OK being collateral damage as long as they put the right person in charge afterwards?

Michael Kellogg's avatar

The Iranian mullahs are straight-up evil. There is no moral equivalence with the U.S. government, full stop. They murdered their own people by the thousands, kept people living in fear, backed every terrorist group in the region, amassed a gigantic stockpile of missiles, and were building a nuclear weapon. They were a threat to peace in the region and in the world and they needed to be taken out before they got any stronger. You're welcome.

Haywood Giablomi's avatar

Typos. Are you OK being...

Madjack's avatar

All of history is “old news”. This was an excellent compilation.

Susie's avatar

Yes, today there are multiple, reliable sources stating what's happened and while Racket's summary is useful, what was unique here was a dynamic discussion between Matt, the guy with the nose for news, and Walter, who's perspective was always to look deeper into a subject. This dynamic helped me to understand events beyond just linear thinking.

ambrosia's avatar

I feel the same. If this is what we get, I’ll unsubscribe.

RAO's avatar

I agree. Still sad this won't happen.

Cowgirlcontrarian's avatar

"If you can't talk about it, you can't think about it," Rudyard Lynch. Conversation is how we explore issues and events. Christopher Lasch has a chapter on "The Art of Argument". "Take" should not be thought of as a pejorative unless it is from a doofus. Not having an observation or a take on something should be seen skeptically. Matt's observations/takes are based on years of reporting. Walter's observations/takes are based on his be able to ferret out the narrative. Those takes are what I paid for and the humor. This article? Not so much. I bought a year subscription. I don't think I will be doing that anymore on any of my subscriptions.

Lekimball's avatar

Yeah, it's always nice to hear Matt and Walter discuss this stuff, though it's nice to have accurate facts. I guess it just boils down to whether Iran (who lies) building nuclear facilities a mile underground is a threat to the US and action is America First. Or is it meddling. I don't like being so sure of anything either way. I'm reservedly ok with them destroying military capabilities but hope he is out of there in a week or so. And hope Iran can get some kind of government that doesn't massacre them for dissent. I think it's clear Trump plans to leave it to them to stabilize things. Hope it works out. Hard to imagine someone worse in there, but it's possible, I guess.

Paul Harper's avatar

No knock on the authors, but this timeline is highly incomplete even within the compressed time period and for this reason of no historical or practical value whatsoever.

I applaud Emily, Caleb, and Greg for doing their best to build the "eat your vegetables" product Matt feels his readers deserve. However, I know how to eat my vegetables, thanks, as do many readers here, I'm certain. We can be sure that many/most of the key documents and decisions were not publicized and have yet to make it into the press.

I agree strongly that adding humor and insights with Matt and Walter ricocheting reactions off one another would have been far more interesting but we know complaining is why we can't have nice things, so...

Iranians revolutionaries taking Americans hostage in 1979 is the event Trump himself cited - a fact one might expect to find in any timeline of Trump's actions. And given that Trump is explicitly situating his presidency in the nineteenth century with the Donroe Doctrine, we need to look to that time for the "we asked nicely and you didn't listen" response we're seeing in Iran now.

Thomas Jefferson politely suggested that the Barbary state pirates stop taking US citizens hostage. The Barbary state rulers decided America was a long way away and could safely be ignored - which established the doctrine Trump is deploying to the shores of the straits of Hormuz. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

In my view, Matt's handed his capable hires a nearly impossible task - inform and entertain in ways that very, very few can do. Best of luck to them all.

Paul Harper's avatar

How to build a better timeline by a self-described expert.

Don't start with grandiose, clearly unrealistic claims - such as "But you should have all the facts."

Do begin with a clear statement about the limits of the timeline: incomplete, likely to be inaccurate and definitely in need of additional data.

Don't start any entry/paragraph by blabbing about events around a particular date.

Do begin each entry with an explicitly identified source, time-stamped, who, what etc. eg "Source blah-blah on ? reported that..."

If one is serious, suggest readers bookmark the timeline and promise additional details as new information comes to light. That kind of timeline would be both welcome and useful and is exactly what readers like me, who enjoy eating our vegetables, are keen to consume and return to for more.

Sincerely hope this helps.

Virg's avatar

Good points on the 1979 revolution (and the Barbary pirates!). These writers are too young for that and I don't think writers today do much research beyond when they were born. I was stationed in West Germany at the time, in a unit that went to Iran and Turkey each year to calibrate test equipment for the US bases in those countries. I was on the Turkey team and we all knew each other and sometimes swapped tours (we went to Italy and German bases, too. Those guys loved their trips to Iran and I loved my trips to Turkey. We weren't in Iran when the revolution happened, but we sure knew all about it. This was the time that the Baader Meinhof and Red Brigade terrorists were reeking havoc in Europe, there was a three way low intensity civil war in Turkey (that included Americans getting killed). No one talks about those things and almost no one even knows what they were. And historical knowledge is just getting exponentially worse in the Tik Tok and smartphone age.

Victoria Bell's avatar

I badly miss ATW. I am, however, reading Steve Berman's writing with interest. I hope he remains with Racket.

Anne McKinney's avatar

I know -- perfect or not, I find myself looking forward to the Monday chat & then a bit disconsolate when I recognize the 4 p.m. convo is over!

Joseph Nelson's avatar

Timelines are there for reference - not commentary. There are now many of them on Racket, and their appearance pre-dates the phase-out of ATW. They have never been a substitute for in-depth coverage. They are intended to be, and are in fact, handy references to how events are unfolding.

Virg's avatar

True, they are also written usually considerably after the events in question. Since the war started, nothing published anywhere this entire month and probably long after that is going to be accurate. You also don't need a journalist to do this type of thing (for that matter, you don't need journalists to do the new Sources thing that just started, both are researcher types of tasks. I find some of Racket's timelines useful and interesting, but not an event like this. We haven't gotten anything in-depth out of the new Racket on Iran and it is not what I want from Racket, in any case. We got some videos from Ford Fisher and I am not planning on watching them, I have seen what I needed to already on sites on Twitter and Discord I trust on wars (and trust me, I follow wars). And the Swamp Log has some notes, I scanned that, but had trouble getting through the editor-in-chief's childish introduction to it ("Brought to you by: the readers of Racket...?" WTF?). If I want a post in this style, plenty of places to get it. Maybe Matt can compete in the media world with this as a general news site.

Oli's avatar

It’s crazy how everyone feels the same way, just flip the cards back and everybody will be happy .

A.'s avatar

I am still of the opinion that Matt (Walter is gone) does not know or understand the background context in these vast cultural events and phenomena. It is not just another fight, another war. There is a roadmap behind all of this, and has been for a very long time. There are powerful puppetmasters pulling the strings....and it isn't who you might think.

Todd Davis's avatar

Please expound / explain.

A.'s avatar
Mar 1Edited

I have done much explaining here on past comment forums, Todd. You must be a newbie.

Matt calls them as he sees them on the ground, in front of his eyes. But he rarely knows the big background story behind these chess moves. I am not talking in terms of basic politics (which Matt does know), but in terms of WHO the Globalists are and HOW their invisible hand is pulling many strings at any given time. Especially over the past 60+ years.

The top Globalists are working the system that established itself in the City of London 2000 years ago, when it was begun as Londinium. It is where the mind-virus migrated when the Roman Empire fell. All those powerful and corrupt Roman and Venetian noble families needed a new power-base. So they, as parasites, found a new host. It became a network out of what is now the City of London, and is comprised of central bankers, corporate executives, dark Psychologists, the Rhodes Trust and its agents, and wealthy oligarchical families across Europe. Since the early 1900s it has been known as the Milner Roundtable. There are American branches as well.

There is reliable reading on this subject, but a person has to invest the effort. I suggest starting with viewing several of the podcasts on the Promethean Action website, and having a look at their resources (Toolkit).

David 1260's avatar

I've come to the same basic conclusions as to the globalists' plan. However, I find your obsessive interest in page-renters entirely weird and self-disclosing. Don't you have a better conspiracy to suss out?

Teresa's avatar

Just followed them. Thanks.

Han's avatar

It is absurd to ignore suitcases of cash to iran, probably the most disgraceful act in American history since the democrat party rebellion of 1861 (until biden appeared).

Andrew Dolgin's avatar

Giving them their own money

Bill J's avatar

And Kerry the globetrotter a drummer seeking business investments for Iran. From Europeans too, squishes about their own self-interests to begin with.

Rick Mastroianni's avatar

To kill and mame Americans through proxies?

Andrew Dolgin's avatar

We killed tens of thousands of Iranians including thousands of Iranian civilians using Saddam Hussein as our proxy. We also gave him the chemical precursors to the chemical weapons he used on civilians. That’s just one chapter of US abuses and crimes against Iranians.

Spare me your selective moral outrage and use it on some dumb goy that doesn’t know history.

Linda Burnett's avatar

Would you hand the man who stated repeatedly that he wanted to kill you a gun?

Andrew Dolgin's avatar

Nobody gave Iran “a gun.” Relying on ridiculous analogies because you can’t address reality, instead pretending we gave them a nuclear weapon.

Absolutely delusional.

Linda Burnett's avatar

It is delusional to think those pallets of hundred dollar bills which Obama attempted to secretly deliver to the Iranian government was not used to purchase guns.

Linda Burnett's avatar

Iran uses a network of proxies to harass and target U.S. interests, with the aim of making the Mid East untenable for American presence. This is necessary to fulfill their desire to destroy Israel and the Jewish people. In addition, Iran has indirectly guided and at times funded much of the unrest seen in the US in recent years, including the BLM riots, anti-semite protests (many violent and illegal), and anti ICE violence. It is not drivel to state they would not only welcome, but support the destruction of the US. A case in point is 9/11 when Iran guided and supported the direct attack, not on US leadership or military, but citizens.

Chuck Campbell's avatar

You forgot Iran contra. Reagan smuggling weapons to Iran through Israel.

SimulationCommander's avatar

I agree with the goals of the administration here, but I don't see even a semi-viable path to obtain those goals without putting boots on the ground. You can't just pulverize everybody and expect democracy from the rubble.

Everybody's gloating like the battle's already over and now the Iranian people can take over, but that's what they said after the Saddam statues came down, too.

ambrosia's avatar

A year ago, the (stated) goal of the administration was NO WAR and MAGA.

Art's avatar

That’s what I voted for. Guess I got fooled again.

Bill J's avatar

Though Trump, in his first term, gave 2 speeches to international audiences (at least one at the UN) where he laid out that the US will act in its self interest, and that he would understand the same from others. It seems to me he always sticks to this. Isolation (NO WAR) is not, and never has been, the same as self-interest. Trump can go to war but he makes it overwhelming and short. So far I'm fine with that.

ambrosia's avatar

For the American People, there is no self-interest in any of the endless Middle Eastern / Asian / African wars we have waged. Zilch. Plenty of self-interest for the ruling elites and the military-indistrial complex, however.

Bill J's avatar

Not zilch and the People is what? There is support for Trump's actions especially in his support for Israel. It's Trump's interest too, but abandoning Israel would be a grave mistake and Trump and MAGA would pay dearly electorally if he did that. I say this not seeing how a politically stable Iran is attained, but I do not see American troops on the ground at any rate. And one can worry about what comes next but Iran was a purely malign source of violence and destruction in its Mullah-governed state. They sowed destruction and intimidation and fear far and wide, and sought to expand a radical and vicious Islam. They have been the great institutionalized source of radical Islamicism - and look how that's been working out for the idiot Euros, and how it has constrained Arab states from finding ways to abide Israel. And we do have an interest in the normal flows of commerce and oil especially through the Suez, esp if we want a Europe that can afford to protect itself from Russia for instance. (And maybe without Iran they will find a little more ability to deal with their domestic radical Islam, fools that they were to allow it to happen). It's better if China has to actually pay going market rates for oil (though Russia is also selling itself short with its oil to get help from China). Why has China been happy to support Iran?

Sea Sentry's avatar

Tell that to all of the wonderful civilizations that have disappeared over millennia by embracing what you espouse, from Mayans to Tibet. It’s unfortunate, but humans are flawed and the world is a messy place. When free, democratic regimes succeed, the world progresses. When totalitarian regimes prevail, civilization suffers and millions die. You pick. There is no “third way.”

Carmen's avatar

We had boots on the ground for 20 years Afghanistan and it didn’t make one bit of difference. It’s up to the people of Iran. They are the only ones that can make change.

Madjack's avatar

Not our circus, not our monkeys.

Nobody's avatar

They never wanted to build Afghanistan into a functional country. If they succeeded then the gravy train would be over, and the MIC would have to find a new grift. I was all for the Afghanistan pullout, but in hindsight maybe it was better to leave that sandbox intact. We're risking WWIII with the Ukraine and now Iran war.

Rick Mastroianni's avatar

The only boots on the ground would be Israelis.

NH boomer's avatar

And it is not like the US has been good at regime change. So for us to engage in selecting new leaders will likley add to many years of unstability - not something we want.

SimulationCommander's avatar

We don't even have a good record IN IRAN!

Sea Sentry's avatar

We’ve already had 47 years of instability. Proxy wars throughout the Middle East, assassinations of dissidents in Europe, the U.S. and South America, the murder and torture of maybe 100,000 Iranians. Is that the stability you crave?

Chuck Campbell's avatar

Because the shah was so awesome? Bullshit

Sea Sentry's avatar

Far from awesome, but orders of magnitude better than the theocracy.

NH boomer's avatar

You make a good point but I am not sure this is our fight. Does our reliance on oil, particularly from SA require us to fight their battles. Seems Israel and SA said you need to do this for us.

Sea Sentry's avatar

Nah, that’s ancient history. Less than 10% of all Gulf exports go to the U.S., and we could easily replace that small and declining amount. Now China (40% of Gulf exports) is another story.

The issue of whether it’s “our fight” or not is interesting. Think of nearly any global conflict. I can make a case why intervention both is and is not in our interests.

UpdateProfile's avatar

It won't be easy and nothing is guaranteed, but it's a great start. The Iranian people who might have accepted more of the same before are angry now, give them some training and I think they'll do the rest. Chaos is a danger, and there's no ready made replacement government ready to step in.

SimulationCommander's avatar

Well if that's going to happen first we have to....eliminate everybody who's currently running the country, right? They aren't just going to hand over the government to an American puppet.

The whole thing reminds me of a South Park skit

1) Bomb Iran

2) ???????

3) Stable Democracy

UpdateProfile's avatar

It's real life, not a TV comic. Iranians have the will, numbers and motivation to take back their country. They'll probably need help via training on how to flush out and hunt IRGC rather than getting massacred again, and also with continuing basic government functions.

There's no need for them to have a "Democracy", which would probably be a disaster itself. They may want, say, a Constitutional Republic or a Parliamentary Monarchy (meaning the monarch doesn't have day-to-day governing powers). Making it into one giant mob with Iran's ethnic factions fighting each other wouldn't be pretty. No, it's not our job to pick a system for them. That was the means Dubbya used to hand Iraq to the Iran-aligned Shia.

It's far from hopeless, in fact the prospects are good. Hopeless would be to do another round of Lose and Spend Theater like the GWB and Obama's 3 terms did.

Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Any concerns with Trump abandoning 10+ years of demeaning the neocons, only to deliver them their wet dream?

SimulationCommander's avatar

Yeah, it's real life -- so how do we expect the people, armed with their limp dicks, to overthrow the government?

And once they do, how do we know they'll chose the "right" leaders?

These are basic questions that nobody can seem to answer.

A.'s avatar
Mar 1Edited

Parliamentary Monarchy is a bad idea. The son of the former Shah is a bad idea. The Shah himself was a Globalist puppet installed to do the Globalist will. He was better than the Ayatollah, but he was not on the side of the Iranian people.

Karen's avatar

And us bombing an elementary school for girls will really make them love us.

ambrosia's avatar

After Laos, Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia, Somalia, Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria etc - everyone should hate us and everyone should be getting nukes.

Karen's avatar

That is indeed the lesson here. Also, our word is only worth as much as the mood of 10,000 people in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania who can’t find Michigan on a map and think all MENA nations are led by The Sheik from the WWF.

bhs66's avatar

Stupid wokester believes “news reports from Iranian news agency.

Karen's avatar

Stupid Trumper believes the senile liar.

Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Which definitely won’t produce any more terrorists.

Karen's avatar

Oh, definitely not! What’s the line? “They’ll welcome us as liberators?”

Sea Sentry's avatar

You assume that’s true, like the “starving Gazans”. I don’t make that assumption.

Chilblain Edward Olmos's avatar

That was actually the IRGC who was responsible for that. But don’t let the facts get in the way of your narrative.

*Username still checks out.

ambrosia's avatar

I thought the core principles of MAGA was to focus on America and stop being the world’s policeman?

Sue's avatar

I think that was the real goal... chaos, unfortunately.

Nobody's avatar

I think the CIA has given up on nation building for now. There's no more public support after the Iraq and Afghanistan failures. This new diplomacy reminds me a lot of old school mafia tactics: "That's a nice country you've got there. Would be a shame if it caught on fire. Why don't you install a central bank and let us protect you?"

SimulationCommander's avatar

I think the CIA moved to nation building America.

Nobody's avatar

You got me there.

Paul Harper's avatar

I watched an interview in the UK press with an American Atlantic Council hack who, like most of the duds sidelined by Trump, could barely contain his hatred of Trump and his supporters - which I take as a good sign. Trump likely sees little downside to acting now - for reasons that are being broadly discussed elsewhere.

Now, this will sound odd, the best illustration of what may be taking place I can think of is the final concert of the Rolling Stones tour of South America - in Cuba. https://www.netflix.com/title/80148239

In every other country in South America, Stones fans young and old showed up ready and eager to rock. Each nation had a long, vibrant rock and roll culture with clubs in even the smallest cities, plus radio stations. So, the parties started outside the stadium long before the concerts in all countries but one began.

Stones fans in Cuba looked scared as they made their way to the stadium, filled with disbelief that their cultural cage doors had actually swung open, desperately fearful that the entire concert was some kind of set-up to bring out cultural subversives. Shocking to see, really; although the film's editors may have played a strong part in creating that effect.

Moderates living in authoritarian states have good reason to be fearful -as we're learning here in the west. Under Trump, we enjoy far more freedom than most in Europe do, but the enemies of free thinking want us back in our cells, isolated and fearful and are working tirelessly to do so. Never forget that fact.

Nobody's avatar

We undoubedtly live with far more freedom than our European friends, but is that due to the Trump admin's ideological support for free speech, or because the state's censorship organs were used against his first administration? I feel like free speech is just another convenient issue to be exploited between warring factions of the uniparty.

Paul Harper's avatar

Trump's abilities to curtail the giant hydra provide us with breathing space, but the organs established and funded up to the present aren't going anywhere.

Ministryofbullshit's avatar

I’m certainly not a military expert, IMO this has little or minor attachments to Iran and more to do with suffocating Chinese energy transfers.

IMO, The WEF and UN climate change agenda (along with open borders) was always a play to castrate western civilization’s military and homeland infrastructures.

Sam Horton's avatar

Israel will do it. Wait.

Michael Wilson's avatar

Boots on the ground? Democracy from the rubble? You left out nation building.

ambrosia's avatar

Hope they take out all the WMD also.

Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Remember Colin Powell saying something about “you break it, you bought it”?

Running Burning Man's avatar

Colin is dead and we don't subscribe to that now

Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

George Washington and Martin Luther King, Jr. are dead too, but we still try to live up to their examples and principles.

And who is "we" who don't subscribe to that?

The number of Trump voters who are willingly watching a decade-long perspective change overnight and are totally fine with it are no better than the Obama/Hillary/Biden voters who are willing to excuse the excesses of Democrats.

Running Burning Man's avatar

You are like a broken clock - correct twice a day. But now is not one of those times.

Running Burning Man's avatar

You are like a broken clock: right twice a day.

Sea Sentry's avatar

True, but virtually any outcome is likely to be a big improvement. I expect elements of the Iranian military to turn against the regime in the next few days.

SimulationCommander's avatar

Why would you expect that?

Would you expect that here if China bombed DC?

Sea Sentry's avatar

SC, there’s a big difference between how Americans perceive their government and how Iranians do.

SimulationCommander's avatar

I watch American citizens protest against their government every single weekend. They claim that getting rid of Trump would be a blessing and they would dance in the streets if he were killed. In fact, if you watched strictly mainstream media, you might even think those people are a majority in America.

Madjack's avatar

I said in June there goals cannot be accomplished without boots on the ground, and boots on the ground would be a disaster.

Andrew Dolgin's avatar

Matt Taibbi also supported this strike by the way. He said unequivocally last year he fully supports regime change and thinks bombing Iran is cool. The only thing he opposed was the nation building after. He’s a complete war hawk on Iran.

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Sea Sentry's avatar

He’s not technically a “Shah”. He may do as an interim leader, but he has to ditch the Pahlavi royalty nonsense.

Interested reader's avatar

No, this kind of factual timeline reporting is very valuable. Good work.

reality speaks's avatar

Okay Trump as proven once again. Don't F with me. I will kill you if you do. But what do they think is going to happen in Iran now? Iran will just decide to stand down and sue for peace? Of will they become enraged and strike out with even more desperation and kill thousands with a lucky strike on something.. Or maybe they hit one of the Aircraft carries with a hypersonic missile causing tremendous damage or loss of life. There is one thing we have learned since the Iraq and Afghanistan mistakes is that the Folks in the government do not have a plan for day 2. Especially if we take some real losses.

NH boomer's avatar

I am not convinced this is in our interest. Iranian leaders are not good, but join the club of bad leaders around the globe. Change was happening in Iran, but of course not at the pace the US sought. I am sure Trump will bask for many weeks on his so called victory. But history has taught us over and over again that bombs are not a long term solution. Unfortunately it will take several months to realize this. And for this no agreement with Israel for the Palestinians. And of course we are not bombing Israel as they continue their campaign to take all the Palestinian land. The Middle East should be wary of their plans.

Alison Cipriani's avatar

So you're wrong already. Khomeini is dead as is much if the leadership, military targets were effectively hit and the Palestinians blew it due to their years if intransigence. We Israelis are no longer willing to take any risks with them after Oct 7. It's not like they haven't said they'll try to kill us all again, they have. There are big changes here in the ME to a large extent due to the support of President Trump.

Karen's avatar

So your plan is to kill all of THEM first, just like in Gaza?

Alison Cipriani's avatar

The Iranians have been trying to get rid of the government for many years. Gazans attacked US on Oct 7, not the other way around. And that was after 18 years of them firing rockets into Israel. You may support fundamental Islamists but most sane people do not

Chilblain Edward Olmos's avatar

For. Fuck’s. Sakes.

Suicidal empathy.

Andrew Dolgin's avatar

You Israelis are going to have your nation destroyed with ballistic missiles and it’s not even remotely close to justice for the crimes your people and nation have committed against innocent civilians.

Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Khameini. Khomeini died a long time ago. You should know this if you’re going to comment on it.

KingBean's avatar

I think you mean "Khamenei", not "Khameini", if you're referring to the guy killed yesterday.

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Alison Cipriani's avatar

No, Trump has sid repeatedly that it is up to the Iranian people to take over and decide what they want. Maybe get some real information before opining.

SimulationCommander's avatar

Apparently the Iranian people are just supposed to "rise up" and "take control" of their country.

I think the people currently running the country will have a slight problem with that -- so then what?

NNTX's avatar

Sources I have read indicate that there are IC (and likely special ops) assets in Iran coordinating with Iranians now to assist in establishing a new government. It will certainly not be easy. It is heartening to see the many celebrations in Iran (and of Iranian exiles) worldwide. Particularly great to see some courageous Iranian women ditching the horrid hijabs and dancing, especially recalling the young woman who protested in January by burning a pic of Khamenei with her cigarette.

I was quite young, but aware of the 1979 hostage crisis.

Also interesting is the solidarity among our other ME allies against Iran. Supposedly MBS was one of the strongest advocates for the strikes, calling Pres. Trump repeatedly to encourage him to attack.

Never underestimate what courage and planning can achieve. Israel clearly has a wide spy network in Iran; God willing the Iranian people can meld into a sustainable, non radical government.

This is a coda, imho, to a terrible period of settling for decline and feckless diplomacy.

SimulationCommander's avatar

We call that nation-building, the very thing that everybody in the administration says isn't going to happen in Iran.

UpdateProfile's avatar

Nation building by Iranians sounds pretty good, and we can assist. Nation building by Paul Bremer with assistance from Halliburton, not so much.

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reality speaks's avatar

yes exactly my thought. Did someone not think through that some Colonel no one knows might see this has a opportunity to make a name for himself.

SimulationCommander's avatar

And there's little doubt Iran had detailed plans for this exact scenario. People are already tapped to fill empty spots in the government.

NNTX's avatar

It's a broad term, isn't it. Difference between encouraging a NON RADICAL TERRORIST regime and having thousands of our soldiers billeted there for many years.

There are a lot of things I don’t “like”, but sometimes assessing reality requires one to do those things to achieved a better outcome.

bestuvall's avatar

one would think the Americans have a few suggestions

Sea Sentry's avatar

See my comment above. The armed forces will split.

Sue's avatar

Isn't Iran a sovereign country? Who elected the US/Israel to be the deciders of who will rule that country?

Sea Sentry's avatar

Uh, when they chose to kill Americans throughout the Middle East. When they sent assassins to kill Iranian dissidents in the U.S. and the rest of the world. When they torture and kill girls for refusing to wear the hijab.

Madjack's avatar

Who decided that we can dictate to other countries what weapons they can have?

Madjack's avatar

If they were smart, and they are, they would have sleeper cells everywhere. Avoid hard targets(aircraft carriers) and hit soft targets: electric grids, energy supply, water sources, stadiums, malls. It is very easy to upset the Western world with some relatively mild death and destruction.

Sea Sentry's avatar

Quite possible. Bring it on. We already had one deranged Senegalese Muslim shoot up a bar in Austin.

James Schwartz's avatar

It seems most of Iran’s leadership has been killed. The exiled prince has a 100 day plan that includes elections etc. Iran without this insane islamist rule could be a crown jewel of the Middle East. Every country around them is building massive sky scrapers and moving into the 21st century. If things go right and that’s a big if right now imagine peace in the ME plus no major terror sponsor around the globe. The world will be a much more peaceful place. Travel to Iran will be incredible for its economy as Iran has biblical historical importance. I’m also old enough to say We owed them this for taking our hostages in 1979. Payback is a bitch.

Madjack's avatar

I am a romantic idealist by nature but even I don’t have such a rosy view for the future.

Sea Sentry's avatar

Well said, James.

Christopher O's avatar

Never get involved in a land war in Asia.

Madjack's avatar

When death is on the line!!🤣🤣🤣

alpinelake's avatar

You mean provoke, right?

Sea Sentry's avatar

True. Should be no need.

Richard Harris's avatar

Maybe it’s best to start with the age old question, “qui bono” in trying to divine motives and objectives? We don’t need convoluted conspiracy theories to see that a chaotic and weakened Iran benefits not only Israel but also the Arab Gulf States. In addition to the obvious Trumpian FAFO motive, Trump has made it abundantly clear that he (we) are determined to build some kind of collaboration among the oil-rich Gulf States and Israel to stabilize the region. Iran and its proxies are a major roadblock and a nuclear-armed Iran with ballistic missiles is unacceptable to US, Israeli, and Arab states. The Iranians know this and it’s a major reason why they attacked their neighbors. This attack (bombing Iran) is of a piece with the post-Gaza War efforts and the recent National Security finding…BTW, thanks to the Racket crew for publishing the timeline on the run up to the Iran attack! It’s true, as several subscribers noted, that the information was findable elsewhere, but compiling, organizing and preserving it is useful: that was Matt’s original idea to counter the MSM penchant for memory holing flawed narratives after years of BS.

Sea Sentry's avatar

Iraq benefits. Syria benefits. Lebanon benefits. The Gulf Arabs benefit as you say. Israel of course benefits. Mostly,the Iranian people benefit.

UpdateProfile's avatar

Kind of ironic that the Regime animated by a belief that war would summon the 12th Imam which in turn would herald the end of the world was cracked by a 12-day war. Even more that a regime dedicated to eternal war against the Infidel is falling right at Biblical holiday which commemorates an evil ruler of Persia being killed and replaced by a benevolent one.

The Persian (Iranian) captivity under the Ayatollahs lasted 47 years. The Babylonian Captivity which sent the Israelites to Persia lasted 47 years. And of course the essential leader key to making this happen is the 47th President.

I'm the furthest thing from a Bible-thumper but I get a sense of awe from this event. I suspect this is a greater chapter in history than we understand in this moment.

Jozseph Schultz's avatar

It gets better. Iran established a democratic constitution in 1906, which US & UK effectively ended 47 years later. And the Iranian civilian jetliner we shot down had about 47X6 passengers on board. And 47 girls killed by our bombing a school yesterday. And 47 is Prime, as in Amazon Prime which is one of the transnational corporations celebrating the destruction of any country not part of the Western Oligarchic Blob.

UpdateProfile's avatar

Well .... you have a way with data.

I think we should hold off on "We bombed their school!" It's possible, as the school was somehow placed right at a military target (missile launchers). I saw one report that it was an IRGC missile that misfired and detonated upon landing. It might be weeks or months until we know the truth.

Madjack's avatar

We may never know the truth.

UpdateProfile's avatar

There are probably doorbell cameras, random people who saw it live and Iranians on the ground can gather up fragments of the missile. It's a missile, not magic, and it's not going to be a mystery forever if the locals don't want it to be.

Nobody's avatar

And none other than Kevin Bacon is starring in a new show on Amazon Prime. I think he's in on this. I gotta go make a new tinfoil hat.

Sea Sentry's avatar

Interesting perspective. Iran was, of course, Zoroastrian until the jihadists rode out from Medina with “convert or die.” Egypt, Syria and Iraq were Christian. Since the 8th century, Islamic countries have mostly been a failure except in areas like torture and death.

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Imagine if the will and resources devoted to all these military interventions was directed at stopping the waste, fraud, and abuse of taxpayer dollars. Or making our elections verifiably accurate. Or passing a balanced budget amendment. Or making our healthcare system no longer a bottomless pit of money while we have one of the lowest life expectancies in the developed world. We could name such policies “Make America Great Again” or “America First”. But none of these things have happened, nor will they occur by 2028.

It’s like a centuries long Groundhog Day, where we ask politicians to fix the problems in our country, but instead get overseas wars one after another. Are we going to have the return of freedom fries?

maxumusK's avatar

I don't see this as a new war, but the beginning of the end of a very old one.

Matt L.'s avatar

Great timeline, thanks for this!

For more ‘recent’ start date, I’d point to 10/7/23. The aftermath was Israel literally neutralizing both Hezbollah & Hamas. These were Iran’s insurance policies. Notice how both haven’t lobbed one rocket or missile since start of this new round of fighting.

That’s because Israel & USA wouldn’t have initiated any direct attack on Iran unless the proxies were neutered first.

Note that there is no attack against the Artesh, and only the Revolutionary Guard and its leadership. Whenever the bombs stop, the ‘hope’ is that the less ideological branch of the Iranian military will keep order for whatever might be the next regime.

Now that the die is cast, the US/Israel need to delete the ‘next man up’ for a few rounds. Such as taking out whoever is named the next Supreme Leader. The Islamic State needs to be decimated, and that’s going to likely require Seals & Special Forces.

The other thinking is that Trump is a deal-maker. So, he may not take this to the ‘end’ it now requires, if you really want to squash Tehran’s nuke ambitions for the next 100 years. He may cut a deal w/ the new Ayatollah. This would be a mistake

I did not vote for this. And I’m no fan of forever wars. But here we are.

Karen's avatar

Trump has never made an actual deal in his worthless life and is too ignorant and vicious to start now. This is a disaster and will destroy the United States. You’re a damned fool if you think there is any possible other result.

bhs66's avatar

Go ahead and explain to us how “this will destroy the United States”. Be sure to use vetted sources.

bhs66's avatar

You see when you make angry, emotional unfounded comments and you’re asked to back it up, it’s crickets from all you wokesters.

Greg's avatar

She must've been fresh from an ICE "protest" when she posted.

Sea Sentry's avatar

TDS doesn’t add much to an otherwise interesting conversation.

Madjack's avatar

Sounds like you are thoughtful and open minded on this🤣🤣🤣

NNTX's avatar

The report is 40 members of leadership dead, including Khamenei’s family, fwiw.

Matt L.'s avatar

No, I’m a 3x Trump voter. He campaigned on keeping us out of wars. I realize that’s not always possible. I’m not a big fan of war (I’m a veteran and have seen the damage done)

Alison Cipriani's avatar

I'm not a fan of war either but the bombs are falling on me and my friends and neighbors lost loved ones on Oct 7 after 18 years of rockets out of Gaza. We Israelis have lost sympathy for people who just want to kill us.

Matt L.'s avatar

I’d rather Israel have handled this on its own. I’m in the US and bombs not falling on me. It’s Israel’s fight. USA is involved because of the oil, who controls it and who gets it. This is a check against China move. As was Venezuela. As is Nigeria. Israel has been destabilizing Arab countries for the past 25 years. Any country that supported a 2-state solution got the Israeli stink eye. I understand why the Israeli ‘Clean Break’ strategy from past. Because appeasement from 1948 to 1990’s wasn’t working. It’s just that Israel change in strategy brought the USA along with it, and I resent the spilling of our blood and treasure.

Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Then why can’t Israel fight its own wars?

Bonnie Blodgett's avatar

I think the West's mistake was in putting Israel in the Middle East to give us a proxy in our never-ending quest to control Middle East oil. This was a devil's bargain for the Jews, to say the least. I always thought Nevada would have been more sensible for the U.S. and far safer for the Jews. Nevada is underpopulated and its climate is similar to Israel's. Plus, this way the entire U.S. would have benefited enormously from the intellectual richness of Jewish culture. The Jews' financial prowess would also have been a good fit in a state that has its own rules in that area. I realize "being good with money" is a trait developed by being treated as outcasts. But the Jews cast themselves out in a way, too. Anyway, that same tribalist tendency might have clashed with the melting-pot fantasies of Americans back in the last century. I guess we're done with the nonsense now. Diversity, baby! Would love to know your thoughts!

Lawyers Guns & Money's avatar

Unfortunately, it was totally possible to keep us out of this war of choice.

UpdateProfile's avatar

Iran started a war with us 47 years ago and has never stopped.

Their animating cry is Death To America, Death to Israel. The beards think in thousand year chunks not the next election cycle, they have a better Manhattan Project than our original Manhattan project and they have ICBM technology sharing with North Korea.

Why it took 47 years for the US to do anything effective about this is not at all obvious. As it turns out, President 47 is the key.

Matt L.'s avatar

Did you even read my post?

Here you go, again:

“Now that the die is cast, the US/Israel need to delete the ‘next man up’ for a few rounds. Such as taking out whoever is named the next Supreme Leader. The Islamic State needs to be decimated, and that’s going to likely require Seals & Special Forces.”

Nobody's avatar

It was very possible to not bomb Iran.

Sea Sentry's avatar

Who could possibly vote for Harris, the living embodiment of the Peter Principle?

Bruce Miller's avatar

And it has to be made abundantly clear to the supporters of the terror regime that, when that regime falls, and Iranians breathe the sweet air of freedom, there will be a reckoning for their crimes and it will be swift and painful. The only way they can save themselves is to surrender and repent their crimes.

PGrabow's avatar

The timeline should go back to 1979, otherwise it lacks context.

See the following for context:

https://instapundit.substack.com/p/cutting-off-the-head-of-the-snake?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1l37t3

Rex's avatar

Unfortunately, I am reaching the same conclusion. What a shame. For me the biggest question here is whether, in the grand judgment of history to come, this attack will be viewed as a pre-emptive attack of the type which could have prevented WWII had Germany and Italy's dictatorships activities been nipped in the bud or alternatively a huge mistake. I am hoping for the former, and not the latter. This will depend entirely on whether Israel, the U.S., and the various Middle Eastern nations finally decide to put down their proverbial boxing gloves and form a peaceful trading block based upon which the Middle Eastern peoples can truly benefit from the great riches located withing their respective boundaries. I pray for this, but I am afraid history to date reflect it may be a forlorn hope.

alpinelake's avatar

3/1/2026 Iran closes the Straight of Hormuz, over 20 US military bases hit. New leadership already in place in Iran. Iran declares jihad. The entire Muslim world is on call. Pakistanis storm the US consulate, 12 kill shot dead by Americans. Thousands gathered in Kargil, India, to mourn the death of Iranian leadership. A 40 day period of mourning, then what?

Americans, prepare to die for the sadist entity 'Israel'.

Following the death of its Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran has raised the red flag of revenge above the Jamkaran Mosque in the city of Qom.

Vows to hit US and Israel with 'force they've never experienced before' as more bombs hit Tehran

Shelley's avatar

Iran's largest Consulate is in Mexico. It operates worldwide. No need to ask why. Hezbollah has been active in Venezuela for years. Much property along the US southern border is own by foreign shell companies. We had open borders for four years. Is this not enough to send shivers down a spine?

Sea Sentry's avatar

Wow. I’m scared.