DCLeaks and Guccifer 2 are allegedly Russian disinformation operations, but I think it is more likely they were domestic disinformation operations. Obviously, I don't know the full truth about Seth Rich, but I don't see how DCLeaks has any bearing on the question of who supplied the DNC files to WikiLeaks (since I certainly do not believ…
DCLeaks and Guccifer 2 are allegedly Russian disinformation operations, but I think it is more likely they were domestic disinformation operations. Obviously, I don't know the full truth about Seth Rich, but I don't see how DCLeaks has any bearing on the question of who supplied the DNC files to WikiLeaks (since I certainly do not believe Muller report account which has them being transferred to WikiLeaks just a few days before they were published, whereas Assange indicated in mid-June that the files it planned to publish were already in its possession).
Dcleaks and G2 were connected via info re correspondence with JA on Twitter and other things. Breedlove emails are important. See this blog, which is on point -
The information was disseminated by the website The Intercept, which is funded by the US ultraliberal magnate Pierre Omidyar, who is close to George Soros. Together with the Soros Foundation, Omidyar has funded a number of liberal media projects in the US and abroad. Like Soros, Omidyar was involved in the financing of the coup in 2014 in Ukraine. The site http://dcleaks.com/ where the correspondence of Breedlove was posted also presents documents related to the activities of other persons. In particular, those of Hillary Clinton and George Soros. However, nothing seriously incriminating against them is to be found there. Basically, what is offered is a collection of materials based on the fact that they have already been made public. Clinton, Soros and other politicians and public figures are added just for the sake of appearances. The site was specifically created in order to provide a "stuffing" for Breedlove.
In order to understand the meaning of this action, let's see what conclusions the American public can draw from these materials:
1. Barack Obama was opposed to US involvement in a war with Russia.
2. The fears of those harshly opposing Russia have been confirmed.
3. The pressure on Russia is to be strengthened.
The warmongers are portrayed as really believing in aggressive Russian plans and not having any hidden agenda. Thus, the conservative audience will find more evidence to support their belief that Russia must be deterred.
It is no accident that the publication appeared on the eve of the NATO summit, where decisions on an unprecedented strengthening of the Alliance in opposition to Russia are expected to be adopted.
It may very well be that DCLeaks and Guccifer 2 were connected with each other. Official sources, such as the Mueller report, which claim that both were Russian operations, also attribute the materials published by WikiLeaks (both the DNC and Podesta files) to them. However, there are strong indications that their account is false in crucial respects, such as their absurd claim about the timing of the transfer of the eventually published materials to WikiLeaks (supposedly just a few days before the DNC emails were published). On the other hand, Craig Murray claims on the basis of information from sources he trusts, that both batches of materials published by WikiLeaks came from American leakers. And he has strongly hinted that the DNC materials came from a DNC insider and the Podesta materials from someone who had access to the NSA database. I see no valid reason to connect DCLeaks/Guccifer, on the one hand, with the DNC or Podesta WikiLeaks publications, on the other.
I believe Murray's an honest person and the sources are American, not Russian. I don't buy into the idea they're leakers in the usual sense of the word. Wikileaks dms published in the Mueller report show Assange trying to access their info; you have also Wikileaks tweeting out links to the September Guccifer 2.0 releases, along with the password. A month later, the Podesta emails came out via Wikileaks. Murray went to DC in the third week of September to accept the Sam Adams award. I think it's possible he got some type of Podesta data then from a "leaker." Most of the Guccifer 2.0 documents are Podesta attachments.
As for G2, one thing that interests me is how quickly Deep-State guys like Thomas Rid and Matt Tait found and disseminated info about the so-called Russian metadata. Along with the other nonsense going on, it has all the markings of a coordinated disinfo. campaign. Kaspersky has a great paper about how hackers commonly insert nonsense phrases like "God Save the Queen" into metadata to throw off attempts at ID. And you have the CIA programs published in Vault 7 - we know the CIA (and others) had the capability of obscuring origin. Rid and Tait cannot be that stupid.
As for Seth, I would be shocked if he leaked to Assange on his own. His brother worked for a major defense contractor and had security clearance. Then there's the Omaha upbringing--and the Project Vigilant Omaha/Lamo/Manning connection. I believe he probably contacted Wikileaks because of Sey Hersh's affidavit, in which he mentions he heard this from a long-time, high-level source. Not to mention the FBI efforts not to release files on him. But I can't believe he was a leaker in any traditional sense. Everytime I think about him I get LHO vibes.
I appreciate your interesting observations. I should be clear that at one time I carefully collected all the Craig Murray stuff, but on much of the rest my memories are less certain. And I didn't know at all about some of the other items you mention. I have been using the term "leaker" in the way Murray described the two sources in his interview with Horton - Americans who had access to the data as part of their jobs. Whether their motives for wanting the files in WikiLeaks' hands were "pure" - probably not. One even has to entertain the possibility that they were presented to WikiLeaks for some manipulative purpose by the Deep State. (Did I once read somewhere that McCabe was Hersh's source??) But the latter I doubt, mainly on grounds of all the efforts (Guccifer 2, etc.) to make it look as if someone else was the real source.
I'm always impressed by how much some of the commenters on here know about this stuff. I didn't go nearly as deep into Murray as you--one thing that struck me about his comments was not just his certainty about the idea of docs being leaked but about Rich. If he didn't visit DC until Sept. 16, why the certainty? Did Assange tell him something--part of me finds that hard to believe, considering how secretive JA was about sources. I will have to check out the Horton interview.
Yes, I heard it was McCabe too but there's so much disinfo floating around it's disorienting, to say the least. I think with G2, the interesting thing is those Robbin Young dms. She's had me blocked forever (along with a strange array of characters I've never interacted with), but if those dms are legit, you have G2 repeatedly bringing the convo back to Seth. All the rest is window dressing for that. Was it an attempt to reconnect with Rich with g2 because of the interviews Assange was giving? Still, it seems bizarre--why not just deny it? And as I mentioned, I don't for one second think G2 was Russian--or even Romanian. The fake smiles alone are enough to make it seem like an act.
The last strange thing I'll mention is I've found some overlap between Guccifer 2.0 and Qanon accounts on Twitter (aka X). What's up with that?
Like Julian Assange, Murray has expressed interest in the Seth Rich case, without ever directly identifying him as the source of the DNC emails. It's fairly clear (from what he says in the interview with Horton) that when he claims knowledge that both sources were Americans, his he is relying on information from people he regards as trustworthy (presumably, Assange himself). How would he even know that the man he met in DC was the Podesta source? It can hardly be that he was simply contacted while in DC by someone claiming to have been the source. Surely, he was informed from the WikiLeaks end of things, that there was some reason for the meeting (again, he denies having had a hand in the transfer of the files themselves, and described the purpose of the meeting as "administrative" in the interview that Trish "the Dish" and Jason Goodman did with him in front of the Ecuadorian embassy in 2017). Besides the Horton interview, he also did an interview with Randy Credico which usefully supplements it, if it is still available. I can't say much useful about your other questions, which are good ones, except to point out that G-2 seems to have emerged initially to take credit for the upcoming release that Assange had a day or two earlier spoken of publicly. My impression is that G-2's insinuated connection with Rich similarly followed Assange's public comment about Rich. A lot of people were talking about Rich, and it does stand to reason that the operators of the G-2 disinfomation operation would be throwing some bait in that direction, the way the QAnon deception operation later targeted Trump supporters. Hopefully work of people like Taibbi and the denizens of The Corner will eventually dig up the answers.
If anybody can bring the truth to light, it's Matt. I wholeheartedly believe that. If you consider what their goals might be, they have now accomplished them all -
1. Discredit Assange as a Russian asset and eventually turn the public against him. Destroy him.
2. Garner support, lay the groundwork for the Ukraine War.
3. Bring down Trump, get HRC and then Biden elected. They failed with HRC, but Biden is in and the investigation into all this came to nothing.
Okay, I'm going to read the Horton interview right now. I think I saw the Credico one but it was a while back. Re the G2 emergence, I think it goes back further than that. The last email date is 5/25/16. A week later, Assange releases the insurance torrent file. So let's say he's got the DNC emails then. By that point, DCleaks had already been putting its act in place for three months, with things picking up the first week in June. That also fits with the Trump Tower 6/9 meeting, which I believe was a set-up. That same day @guccifer2 is created, presumably by an opIsis volunteer who goes online by the name "Alice." Notably, the person who creates the DCleaks social media accounts is "Alice Donovan," a supposed Russian front (just like "Guccifer 2.0"). This appears to be happening as a reaction but in reality they were gearing up for everything to go public.
6/3/16-
Wikileaks issues torrent insurance, allegedly for DNC emails.
McCain staff, Lyndsay Graham, etc. According to later analysis by The Smoking Gun, the common thread appears to be that all of these GOP entities contracted IT with a Tennessee firm called Smartech, for web or email hosting. (Karl Rove connections).
DC Leaks privately posts "files from the William J Clinton Presidential Library". The PDF files are dated from 2006 and some indicate that some were "withdrawn" from the library for privilege reasons.
6/8/16-
DC Leaks Facebook and Twitter pages created.
6/8/16-
DC Leaks first two tweets are geolocated in Manhattan
DC Leaks publicly kicks off their site with the release of emails from Philip Breedlove, who is a NATO leader in Europe.
6/9/16 - OpIsis volunteer Cassandra Ford creates @guccifer2 account, according to Twitter. Ford is later interviewed by the FBI and Mueller subpoenas her. She says she remembers creating account on 6/16 because the term Guccifer 2.0 was being censored. Twitter developer data contradicts this. "Ford" appears to run various online accounts, @wokeegirl, @AliceMIA, @ohai_itsbunny and many others as a part of the "hacking group" bunnysec, run by "JackNoir," aka "Jeff Sagorsky." Sagorsky does not exist. Will Welna, friend of "Sagorsky" and Sabu, tweets repeatedly about "Alice" and JackNoir. Welna's ex-gf died in 2023; his ex-partner's brother has been missing since Feb. 2023.
There's no doubt in my mind there's something American to it. But the provenance of G2 is unclear. Back when Durham first got appointed, various accounts were coming after my Twitter account (under a dif. name back then--my real one). They were tagging my employer saying terrible things about me. They published my divorce papers on Twitter. They told me repeatedly I was ugly and stupid, that the FBI would investigate me, etc, etc, etc. Etc.
When I deactivated my account, they took over the handle in about a day. Now that's all gone. Which is great. But they're not worried anymore. They got away with it.
DC Leaks first private post containing General Breedlove's emails (head of US and NATO forces). He would resign May 2016. The post was timestamped prior to his public resignation and promotion of the website. Email showed Breedlove pushing Obama into tougher stance against Russia re: Ukraine.
DCleaks was formed from an Anonymous faction that basically split between Assange supporters and disruptors undermining WikiLeaks w Michael/Emma Best/ Barrett Brown/ AnonCentral etc
Guccifer 2.0 is most likely an American psyop and Adam Carter/Forensicator has the ultimate documentation & analysis for all of that planned confusion.
DCLeaks and Guccifer 2 are allegedly Russian disinformation operations, but I think it is more likely they were domestic disinformation operations. Obviously, I don't know the full truth about Seth Rich, but I don't see how DCLeaks has any bearing on the question of who supplied the DNC files to WikiLeaks (since I certainly do not believe Muller report account which has them being transferred to WikiLeaks just a few days before they were published, whereas Assange indicated in mid-June that the files it planned to publish were already in its possession).
Dcleaks and G2 were connected via info re correspondence with JA on Twitter and other things. Breedlove emails are important. See this blog, which is on point -
The information was disseminated by the website The Intercept, which is funded by the US ultraliberal magnate Pierre Omidyar, who is close to George Soros. Together with the Soros Foundation, Omidyar has funded a number of liberal media projects in the US and abroad. Like Soros, Omidyar was involved in the financing of the coup in 2014 in Ukraine. The site http://dcleaks.com/ where the correspondence of Breedlove was posted also presents documents related to the activities of other persons. In particular, those of Hillary Clinton and George Soros. However, nothing seriously incriminating against them is to be found there. Basically, what is offered is a collection of materials based on the fact that they have already been made public. Clinton, Soros and other politicians and public figures are added just for the sake of appearances. The site was specifically created in order to provide a "stuffing" for Breedlove.
In order to understand the meaning of this action, let's see what conclusions the American public can draw from these materials:
1. Barack Obama was opposed to US involvement in a war with Russia.
2. The fears of those harshly opposing Russia have been confirmed.
3. The pressure on Russia is to be strengthened.
The warmongers are portrayed as really believing in aggressive Russian plans and not having any hidden agenda. Thus, the conservative audience will find more evidence to support their belief that Russia must be deterred.
It is no accident that the publication appeared on the eve of the NATO summit, where decisions on an unprecedented strengthening of the Alliance in opposition to Russia are expected to be adopted.
It may very well be that DCLeaks and Guccifer 2 were connected with each other. Official sources, such as the Mueller report, which claim that both were Russian operations, also attribute the materials published by WikiLeaks (both the DNC and Podesta files) to them. However, there are strong indications that their account is false in crucial respects, such as their absurd claim about the timing of the transfer of the eventually published materials to WikiLeaks (supposedly just a few days before the DNC emails were published). On the other hand, Craig Murray claims on the basis of information from sources he trusts, that both batches of materials published by WikiLeaks came from American leakers. And he has strongly hinted that the DNC materials came from a DNC insider and the Podesta materials from someone who had access to the NSA database. I see no valid reason to connect DCLeaks/Guccifer, on the one hand, with the DNC or Podesta WikiLeaks publications, on the other.
I believe Murray's an honest person and the sources are American, not Russian. I don't buy into the idea they're leakers in the usual sense of the word. Wikileaks dms published in the Mueller report show Assange trying to access their info; you have also Wikileaks tweeting out links to the September Guccifer 2.0 releases, along with the password. A month later, the Podesta emails came out via Wikileaks. Murray went to DC in the third week of September to accept the Sam Adams award. I think it's possible he got some type of Podesta data then from a "leaker." Most of the Guccifer 2.0 documents are Podesta attachments.
As for G2, one thing that interests me is how quickly Deep-State guys like Thomas Rid and Matt Tait found and disseminated info about the so-called Russian metadata. Along with the other nonsense going on, it has all the markings of a coordinated disinfo. campaign. Kaspersky has a great paper about how hackers commonly insert nonsense phrases like "God Save the Queen" into metadata to throw off attempts at ID. And you have the CIA programs published in Vault 7 - we know the CIA (and others) had the capability of obscuring origin. Rid and Tait cannot be that stupid.
As for Seth, I would be shocked if he leaked to Assange on his own. His brother worked for a major defense contractor and had security clearance. Then there's the Omaha upbringing--and the Project Vigilant Omaha/Lamo/Manning connection. I believe he probably contacted Wikileaks because of Sey Hersh's affidavit, in which he mentions he heard this from a long-time, high-level source. Not to mention the FBI efforts not to release files on him. But I can't believe he was a leaker in any traditional sense. Everytime I think about him I get LHO vibes.
I appreciate your interesting observations. I should be clear that at one time I carefully collected all the Craig Murray stuff, but on much of the rest my memories are less certain. And I didn't know at all about some of the other items you mention. I have been using the term "leaker" in the way Murray described the two sources in his interview with Horton - Americans who had access to the data as part of their jobs. Whether their motives for wanting the files in WikiLeaks' hands were "pure" - probably not. One even has to entertain the possibility that they were presented to WikiLeaks for some manipulative purpose by the Deep State. (Did I once read somewhere that McCabe was Hersh's source??) But the latter I doubt, mainly on grounds of all the efforts (Guccifer 2, etc.) to make it look as if someone else was the real source.
I'm always impressed by how much some of the commenters on here know about this stuff. I didn't go nearly as deep into Murray as you--one thing that struck me about his comments was not just his certainty about the idea of docs being leaked but about Rich. If he didn't visit DC until Sept. 16, why the certainty? Did Assange tell him something--part of me finds that hard to believe, considering how secretive JA was about sources. I will have to check out the Horton interview.
Yes, I heard it was McCabe too but there's so much disinfo floating around it's disorienting, to say the least. I think with G2, the interesting thing is those Robbin Young dms. She's had me blocked forever (along with a strange array of characters I've never interacted with), but if those dms are legit, you have G2 repeatedly bringing the convo back to Seth. All the rest is window dressing for that. Was it an attempt to reconnect with Rich with g2 because of the interviews Assange was giving? Still, it seems bizarre--why not just deny it? And as I mentioned, I don't for one second think G2 was Russian--or even Romanian. The fake smiles alone are enough to make it seem like an act.
The last strange thing I'll mention is I've found some overlap between Guccifer 2.0 and Qanon accounts on Twitter (aka X). What's up with that?
Like Julian Assange, Murray has expressed interest in the Seth Rich case, without ever directly identifying him as the source of the DNC emails. It's fairly clear (from what he says in the interview with Horton) that when he claims knowledge that both sources were Americans, his he is relying on information from people he regards as trustworthy (presumably, Assange himself). How would he even know that the man he met in DC was the Podesta source? It can hardly be that he was simply contacted while in DC by someone claiming to have been the source. Surely, he was informed from the WikiLeaks end of things, that there was some reason for the meeting (again, he denies having had a hand in the transfer of the files themselves, and described the purpose of the meeting as "administrative" in the interview that Trish "the Dish" and Jason Goodman did with him in front of the Ecuadorian embassy in 2017). Besides the Horton interview, he also did an interview with Randy Credico which usefully supplements it, if it is still available. I can't say much useful about your other questions, which are good ones, except to point out that G-2 seems to have emerged initially to take credit for the upcoming release that Assange had a day or two earlier spoken of publicly. My impression is that G-2's insinuated connection with Rich similarly followed Assange's public comment about Rich. A lot of people were talking about Rich, and it does stand to reason that the operators of the G-2 disinfomation operation would be throwing some bait in that direction, the way the QAnon deception operation later targeted Trump supporters. Hopefully work of people like Taibbi and the denizens of The Corner will eventually dig up the answers.
If anybody can bring the truth to light, it's Matt. I wholeheartedly believe that. If you consider what their goals might be, they have now accomplished them all -
1. Discredit Assange as a Russian asset and eventually turn the public against him. Destroy him.
2. Garner support, lay the groundwork for the Ukraine War.
3. Bring down Trump, get HRC and then Biden elected. They failed with HRC, but Biden is in and the investigation into all this came to nothing.
Okay, I'm going to read the Horton interview right now. I think I saw the Credico one but it was a while back. Re the G2 emergence, I think it goes back further than that. The last email date is 5/25/16. A week later, Assange releases the insurance torrent file. So let's say he's got the DNC emails then. By that point, DCleaks had already been putting its act in place for three months, with things picking up the first week in June. That also fits with the Trump Tower 6/9 meeting, which I believe was a set-up. That same day @guccifer2 is created, presumably by an opIsis volunteer who goes online by the name "Alice." Notably, the person who creates the DCleaks social media accounts is "Alice Donovan," a supposed Russian front (just like "Guccifer 2.0"). This appears to be happening as a reaction but in reality they were gearing up for everything to go public.
6/3/16-
Wikileaks issues torrent insurance, allegedly for DNC emails.
https://file.wikileaks.org/torrent/2016-06-03_insurance.aes256.torrent
Sometime in June 2016-
Soros Open Society Foundation reports a breach in their intranet system to the FBI.
https://www.riskbasedsecurity.com/2016/08/dc-leaks-little-known-site-dumps-data-on-george-soros/
6/4/16-
DC Leaks posts Brian Keller docs (military contractor). Also some CENTCOM emails.
http://dcleaks.com/index.php/blog/
6/4/16-
DC Leaks posts GOP emails from
McCain staff, Lyndsay Graham, etc. According to later analysis by The Smoking Gun, the common thread appears to be that all of these GOP entities contracted IT with a Tennessee firm called Smartech, for web or email hosting. (Karl Rove connections).
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/investigation/tracking-russian-hackers-638295
http://dcleaks.com/index.php/portfolio_page/the-united-states-republican-party/
6/7/16-
DC Leaks privately posts "files from the William J Clinton Presidential Library". The PDF files are dated from 2006 and some indicate that some were "withdrawn" from the library for privilege reasons.
6/8/16-
DC Leaks Facebook and Twitter pages created.
6/8/16-
DC Leaks first two tweets are geolocated in Manhattan
https://twitter.com/dcleaks_/status/740587522020016128
6/8/16-
DC Leaks privately posts documents from George Soros' Open Society Foundation, as well as 72 docs from the Clinton campaign (2015).
https://www.riskbasedsecurity.com/2016/08/dc-leaks-little-known-site-dumps-data-on-george-soros/
6/8/16-
DC Leaks publicly kicks off their site with the release of emails from Philip Breedlove, who is a NATO leader in Europe.
6/9/16 - OpIsis volunteer Cassandra Ford creates @guccifer2 account, according to Twitter. Ford is later interviewed by the FBI and Mueller subpoenas her. She says she remembers creating account on 6/16 because the term Guccifer 2.0 was being censored. Twitter developer data contradicts this. "Ford" appears to run various online accounts, @wokeegirl, @AliceMIA, @ohai_itsbunny and many others as a part of the "hacking group" bunnysec, run by "JackNoir," aka "Jeff Sagorsky." Sagorsky does not exist. Will Welna, friend of "Sagorsky" and Sabu, tweets repeatedly about "Alice" and JackNoir. Welna's ex-gf died in 2023; his ex-partner's brother has been missing since Feb. 2023.
https://vault.fbi.gov/special-counsel-mueller-investigation-records/special-counsel-mueller-investigation-records-part-10/view
6/10/16-
Alexandra Chalupa is at the Ukrainian Embassy with Ambassador Chaly, Oksana Shulyar, et al., according to her Facebook page.
There's no doubt in my mind there's something American to it. But the provenance of G2 is unclear. Back when Durham first got appointed, various accounts were coming after my Twitter account (under a dif. name back then--my real one). They were tagging my employer saying terrible things about me. They published my divorce papers on Twitter. They told me repeatedly I was ugly and stupid, that the FBI would investigate me, etc, etc, etc. Etc.
When I deactivated my account, they took over the handle in about a day. Now that's all gone. Which is great. But they're not worried anymore. They got away with it.
Okay it does go back to March -
3/10/16-
DC Leaks first private post containing General Breedlove's emails (head of US and NATO forces). He would resign May 2016. The post was timestamped prior to his public resignation and promotion of the website. Email showed Breedlove pushing Obama into tougher stance against Russia re: Ukraine.
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/07/05/breedlove-stoltenberg-plan-nato-russia-campaign.html
DCleaks was formed from an Anonymous faction that basically split between Assange supporters and disruptors undermining WikiLeaks w Michael/Emma Best/ Barrett Brown/ AnonCentral etc
Guccifer 2.0 is most likely an American psyop and Adam Carter/Forensicator has the ultimate documentation & analysis for all of that planned confusion.
https://g-2.space/