I believe in the efficacy and safety of the vaccines based on having a 3000-patient panel with no side effects and no significant Covid illness in those who were vaccinated (including myself, I might add).
Almost invariably, however, whenever I express this opinion, no matter how civilly, on a conservative forum, I’m told not only that I’…
I believe in the efficacy and safety of the vaccines based on having a 3000-patient panel with no side effects and no significant Covid illness in those who were vaccinated (including myself, I might add).
Almost invariably, however, whenever I express this opinion, no matter how civilly, on a conservative forum, I’m told not only that I’m wrong but that I’m a “murderer” - yes, that’s the term generally used - for “pushing” the vaccine onto my patients.
Needless to say I don’t find this to be a particularly tolerant position. I never believed in the vaccine mandates and actually made efforts on behalf of some patients to exempt them from employer mandates. I don’t “push” the vaccines, I merely express my opinion about them when patients ask me.
At this juncture I think both sides are deeply intolerant. Matt obviously cares a lot about free speech but I don’t sense that he cares much about the content of that speech. He seems to assume that meaningful dialogue will result and the truth inevitably emerge from people being left unchecked to say literally anything to each other.
Don’t get me wrong, I think there’s no alternative other than to leave speech completely uncensored, but I don’t share this view that doing so will inevitably result in a brighter future. I think that sometimes, when societies have truly degenerated beyond repair, free speech of the kind that seems to be preferred by BOTH the right and the left nowadays simply accelerates the downward spiral.
If you think that society has degenerated beyond repair (I agree), then it would be a more useful expenditure of your energy to devote yourself to building up a new society to replace the old one than to deplore passively the lack of civil discourse.
In the meantime, the way I try to combat this sad trend is by making sure that my own expressions are civil.
But if we agree society is beyond repair, then isn’t anything we do futile by definition? And where is this “new society” supposed to be built?
I’m a fan of Morris Berman and suspect sometimes emigration might be a better and less frustrating option. Maybe the “new society” is best built somewhere else.
It sounds like you are on to the GRIFT of virtually all right wingers in the US. They scream "free speech" when main stream media wont push the lies they want to hear. Yet the right wing media they consumer daily is as far from free speech as it gets. That media ignores any and all truth that does not align with their narrative.
The people and media they consume hate Free Speech if it is not exactly what they want to hear... Especially about vaccines.
"All the right-wingers" - poppycock! You yourself are falling for the left/right divide-scam that marks the discussion these days. How do you explain the embrace of censorship of the shitlibs?
I've been far left all my life and I certainly don't agree with everything that "right-wingers" espouse, but they are no different from the faux "left" in screaming about "free speech" until it's something they don't want to hear. (Might break them out of their echo chamber and give them cognitive dissonance!)
I define "right wingers" by the words and ideas people push. There is a massive difference between "conservative" thinking and right wing propaganda.
For example anyone that complains about the propaganda pushed by say the NYT editorial board, but then refuses to admit that the WSJ editorial board or talking heads like Ben Shapiro or Tucker Carlson are also propaganda tools.
The FACT that the NYT pushes propaganda (Russia Gate, Ukraine etc...) does not means that the WSJ or Ben Shapiro or Tucker Carlson are not also pushing propaganda..
It is easy to figure out who is and is not fooled by either propaganda machine.
I believe in the efficacy and safety of the vaccines based on having a 3000-patient panel with no side effects and no significant Covid illness in those who were vaccinated (including myself, I might add).
Almost invariably, however, whenever I express this opinion, no matter how civilly, on a conservative forum, I’m told not only that I’m wrong but that I’m a “murderer” - yes, that’s the term generally used - for “pushing” the vaccine onto my patients.
Needless to say I don’t find this to be a particularly tolerant position. I never believed in the vaccine mandates and actually made efforts on behalf of some patients to exempt them from employer mandates. I don’t “push” the vaccines, I merely express my opinion about them when patients ask me.
At this juncture I think both sides are deeply intolerant. Matt obviously cares a lot about free speech but I don’t sense that he cares much about the content of that speech. He seems to assume that meaningful dialogue will result and the truth inevitably emerge from people being left unchecked to say literally anything to each other.
Don’t get me wrong, I think there’s no alternative other than to leave speech completely uncensored, but I don’t share this view that doing so will inevitably result in a brighter future. I think that sometimes, when societies have truly degenerated beyond repair, free speech of the kind that seems to be preferred by BOTH the right and the left nowadays simply accelerates the downward spiral.
If you think that society has degenerated beyond repair (I agree), then it would be a more useful expenditure of your energy to devote yourself to building up a new society to replace the old one than to deplore passively the lack of civil discourse.
In the meantime, the way I try to combat this sad trend is by making sure that my own expressions are civil.
But if we agree society is beyond repair, then isn’t anything we do futile by definition? And where is this “new society” supposed to be built?
I’m a fan of Morris Berman and suspect sometimes emigration might be a better and less frustrating option. Maybe the “new society” is best built somewhere else.
Mike
It sounds like you are on to the GRIFT of virtually all right wingers in the US. They scream "free speech" when main stream media wont push the lies they want to hear. Yet the right wing media they consumer daily is as far from free speech as it gets. That media ignores any and all truth that does not align with their narrative.
The people and media they consume hate Free Speech if it is not exactly what they want to hear... Especially about vaccines.
"All the right-wingers" - poppycock! You yourself are falling for the left/right divide-scam that marks the discussion these days. How do you explain the embrace of censorship of the shitlibs?
I've been far left all my life and I certainly don't agree with everything that "right-wingers" espouse, but they are no different from the faux "left" in screaming about "free speech" until it's something they don't want to hear. (Might break them out of their echo chamber and give them cognitive dissonance!)
Susan
Yes, all right wingers...
I define "right wingers" by the words and ideas people push. There is a massive difference between "conservative" thinking and right wing propaganda.
For example anyone that complains about the propaganda pushed by say the NYT editorial board, but then refuses to admit that the WSJ editorial board or talking heads like Ben Shapiro or Tucker Carlson are also propaganda tools.
The FACT that the NYT pushes propaganda (Russia Gate, Ukraine etc...) does not means that the WSJ or Ben Shapiro or Tucker Carlson are not also pushing propaganda..
It is easy to figure out who is and is not fooled by either propaganda machine.
At least it is easy for me to figure out that you have been fooled by one of the propaganda machines...
Susan
Which propaganda machine have i been fooled by. I don't bu the NYT and CNN stories on the Ukraine war, leaning more toward Mearscheimer and Greenwald.
I don't buy the WSJ / Larry Summers / Jason Furman grift on the economy and debt.
Please tell me what propaganda machine it is "easy" for you to say I am influence by.
If you can't name it then we both know you don't know what you are talking about, right?
Agree, but that’s not exactly a justification.